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Posted: Monday, January 24, 2011 6:04 am | Updated: 6:22 am, Tue Jan 25, 2011.

As cash-strapped school districts lay off teachers and close campuses, publicly funded charter schools are flourishing and altering the landscape of public education. Despite a painful economic downturn, the charter school movement is expanding rapidly across the country with support from the Obama administration, wealthy donors such as Bill Gates and Oprah Winfrey, and the highly publicized documentary “Waiting for Superman.”

Charter schools typically receive a mixture of public and private money and operate free of many regulations that govern traditional public schools in exchange for achieving promised results.

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23 comments:

  • Joanne Bobin posted at 7:21 pm on Wed, Jan 26, 2011.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Oh, and I almost forgot, Mr. Baumbach, to reference this quote from your newest blog buddy that is completely civil, does not "denigrate" or "besmirch" anyone. But we never heard a peep from you since he was fawning all over you. The roles have been reversed, Mr. Docktor is now the sycophant and you are the image of truth and civility.

    Mr. Docktor wrote on 1/11 at 7:12PM: "I have to say only a bottom dwelling scum sucker from the left would go as far as saying that rage is encoded in conservative DNA."

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 6:51 pm on Wed, Jan 26, 2011.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    A self-loathing bigot is one whom hates himself for hating others. Since this is very unlikely, A cancels B.

     
  • Charles Nelson posted at 3:38 pm on Wed, Jan 26, 2011.

    Charles Nelson Posts: 259

    Self-loathing: hatred of oneself. Bigotry: hatred of others. Explain "self-cancelling phrase".

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 2:00 pm on Wed, Jan 26, 2011.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Nelson: I doubt that there are any "self-loathing bigots" in the world. Actually, that is a self-cancelling phrase.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 1:59 pm on Wed, Jan 26, 2011.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Baumbach stated on 1/25 @ 2:20AM: "Most parents I know would have used the “catholic” situation her daughter faced as a learning event for their child… instead, Ms Bobin thought it wiser to get outraged and emotionally respond… there are better ways to model for our children in my opinion."

    Mr. Baumbach stated on 1/26: "Ms Bobin, I have no way of knowing anything about your parenting skills in general… "

    According to the above statements, apparently you think you know a lot about my parenting skills and you have yet to say how I was "outraged" and how I "emotionally" responded in my comments (fabricated).

    Mr. Baumbach stated: "This is not fabrication… it is what I see… your intention is negative toward a group of people in my opinion… you do your best to brand a false image in peoples mind …that to me is the worst type of fabrication that one can do and still not be illegal."

    Exactly what was being done in that "religious school" by the teachers - and to young children, to boot, and it wasn't illegal because they, rightly, have freedom of religion. Why are you not offended by the fact that one religion propagates myths about another? Is that other religion not worthy of your outrage? And it is EXACTLY what you are doing to ME - besmirching my character....in public no less!!! I'm outraged...and frankly not at all amazed at your hypocrisy.

    I'm sorry if my style offends you, Mr. Baumbach, but it will continue to offend you as long as you remain an apologist for the world.

     
  • Charles Nelson posted at 12:50 pm on Wed, Jan 26, 2011.

    Charles Nelson Posts: 259

    Interesting story considering the Ohio mother who was just jailed for using a false address to put her kids in a better public school. She will serve ten days, with 3 years probation, even though the judge sentenced her to 5 years. I guess you don't mess with the public school system. Don't even think that you know what's better for your kids.

     
  • Charles Nelson posted at 12:34 pm on Wed, Jan 26, 2011.

    Charles Nelson Posts: 259

    I find it interesting that Oprah Winfrey would give a million dollars to schools that would have so much in common with Jim Crow. She must be a self-loathing bigot also.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:16 pm on Tue, Jan 25, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    darrell stated...however, billions around the world would disagree with you as they allow for the obvious..
    for clarity sake, please do not take "billions" literally... I just mean a much larger number world wide .. I hasve no idea the actual number obviously

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:19 pm on Tue, Jan 25, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    • Ms Bobin stated…Unfortunately for you, you were born 50 years too late. It sounds like you would have enjoyed Jim Crow much more and felt is was the more equitable system.

    Since Jim Crow was an in-your-face bigot, and since you have publically stated and insisted that you see a bigot around every corner in Lodi, I can understand how you might think many people are racists and bigots.. Your intent I assume is to be vicious in accusing me of enjoying an atmosphere that would take unfair and crewel advantage of people based on their race.
    The topic is charter schools, in which I stated that teachers loved teaching there as they have more flexibility in how and what they teach… I also feel that it is appropriate, like the Swedish school system, to provide duel educational opportunities, either scholastic, or hands on technical skills training. There is no possible way to conclude I would be comfortable in a Jim Crow era from this discussion. It appears you desire to put on brass knuckles and elevate this dialogue to different level. Would you care to articulate specifics as to how I would be comfortable in such a hideous system?

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:22 pm on Tue, Jan 25, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Ms Bobin stated… Mr. Hutchison referred to the Aspire website and said you were wrong because you were wrong. He was directing your attention to statistics that had to do with (as evidenced by your comments) the apparently despicable "subgroups" that "charter schools do not have to contend with..

    No wonder I could not connect the dots… Now I get from what perspective you and Joshua are stating I am wrong… I have a niece that has a disability and would fit into one of these subgroups as you state… unfortunately, she went through the traditional public school system where upon graduation, had zero job skills. Had she gone to school in Sweden, She could have opted out of traditional education and elected job skills training where she could develop skills essential for the rest of her life… you may think I am wrong, and millions of people would agree with you… however, billions around the world would disagree with you as they allow for the obvious. Children are different. After 8th grade, traditional public school is considered a waste of time in most of the world and hands on skills that help a person to get hired after graduation is the main focus… Of course, a few hours a day should be devoted to banking, organization skills, understanding the business world, and other useful areas of study, but a majority of the day should be in developing skills can make them money as adults to support a family. At least 35% of all students fit in this category in United States, and 50 % in most countries… I was not really referring to ESL or disabled students in my original statement… I was talking about all students, and allowing options… where parents and students can have more opportunity, not less.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 2:36 pm on Tue, Jan 25, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Bobin stated…Very interesting, Mr. Baumbach, that you have concluded that I have poor parenting skills due to the incidents I spoke of in my comment.

    Ms Bobin, I have no way of knowing anything about your parenting skills in general… I was only referring to one isolated incident... which you articulated in your blog..I was also extrapolating from what you stated in this blog as well as many others; if they were treated by you as you treat others here, that they might have an attitude problem if they modeled after you.

    Ms Bobin stated… I think that Mr. Baumbach is a fabricator of the highest order and loves to "restate" a person's comments in ways in which they were never intended. You, sir, are a very dangerous individual

    • I never fabricate anything… I read what you and others say… interpret what I think it means, and restate it. These are my observations and conclusions… opinion… In my opinion, you continuously berate people who are religious and make decisions based on their faith. You then publically ridicule “religious school”, in my opinion. I cannot find one good thing that you mention, just negative . They taught your kids false information and had “lousy curriculum and teachers”… according to you… which resulted in pulling your child from the school. To further crucify the religion, you state “Strangely enough, my daughter (who attended a youth group at TBC for a couple of years) learned the same lesson and insists to this day that Catholics are definitely not Christians”…In my view, couldn’t get must worse without performing some type of illegal activity… May I ask, is there not one good thing that the school offered, are there no good teachers, nothing in the curriculum of value? Or is this school as bad as the picture you paint.

    This is not fabrication… it is what I see… your intention is negative toward a group of people in my opinion… you do your best to brand a false image in peoples mind …that to me is the worst type of fabrication that one can do and still not be illegal.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 1:28 pm on Tue, Jan 25, 2011.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Now, as for your comment to Mr. Hutchison at 1:54PM, Mr. Hutchison referred to the Aspire website and said you were wrong because you were wrong. He was directing your attention to statistics that had to do with (as evidenced by your comments) the apparently despicable "subgroups" that "charter schools do not have to contend with." The subgroups that, from your direct comments, you say "should not be in the same system," the "crewel" (so glad, btw, that you enjoy needlework!) public school system where, according to you, every different type of child should be segregated by their "type" so as not to punish the other "types."

    Unfortunately for you, you were born 50 years too late. It sounds like you would have enjoyed Jim Crow much more and felt is was the more equitable system.

    Next, charter schools are NOT "controlled by the public schools." They receive public money, but the school, staff and facilities are privately owned and they must get approval from the local school board to get established within that district. The obvious reason for that is that they are drawing enrollment away from the local district - less students, less state and federal money.

    To restate Mr. Hutchison, Mr. Baumbach, you are wrong.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 1:08 pm on Tue, Jan 25, 2011.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Very interesting, Mr. Baumbach, that you have concluded that I have poor parenting skills due to the incidents I spoke of in my comment. I'm sure the audience here doesn't need to hear every detail of my personal conversations with my children in relation to these situations. I apologize if I denied you further details.

    As for "Ms. Bobin thought it wiser to get outraged and emotionally respond - show me exactly where, in my comment below, I was "outraged and emotional."

    I think that Mr. Baumbach is a fabricator of the highest order and loves to "restate" a person's comments in ways in which they were never intended. You, sir, are a very dangerous individual.

    The comment which you referred to as "overhearing some lower-level conversation," which is strictly your interpretation probably because you believe that I could not possibly have a "high-level conversation," was actually made directly to me by the Executive Assistant to the CEO because she had to relay some instructions to me related to the case.

    Finally, I was not "denigrating and besmirching" the teachers and staff. In a conversation with a member of the school's board, who happens to be a very good friend of mine, I was told that most of the teaching staff had been dismissed due to falling enrollment and complaints from parents. I did not complain. I just removed my son from the school and moved on.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 2:20 am on Tue, Jan 25, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Ms Bobin stated… Very good comments, Mr. Hutchison. I have had only one experience with a religious school…

    I see patterns evolving with how Ms Bobin goes in depth to analyze and come to what truth is… In this case, only one incident, and Ms Bobin knows for a fact that religious schools are “not very good”… and earlier in a blog, she had just a few incidence of overhearing some lower level conversation and should not be repeated, and she immediately draws a conclusion that most health insurance companies are bad… in addition, I recall Ms Bobin concluding quickly, that Hannity was lying after she watched the Jon Stewart show…
    In my experience… many times, religiously orientated schools are superior to public schools in general… Most parents I know would have used the “catholic” situation her daughter faced as a learning event for their child… instead, Ms Bobin thought it wiser to get outraged and emotionally respond… there are better ways to model for our children in my opinion. It does not surprise me that your daughter still insists what she states about Catholics… she had a good model for that kind of thinking and attitude.
    I personally am not religious, but I appreciate the effort teachers and staff at these schools put into their work in helping children. It is a shame Ms Bobin insists on denigrating and besmirching a part of society that does so much good for so many.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 1:54 am on Tue, Jan 25, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405


    Joshua stated… Actually Darrell is wrong. Look at the statistics post at Aspires website about ESL, minority, and reduced/free lunch statistics…

    It would not be unusually for me to be wrong, that is how I learn… learning from mistakes and not repeating them is a wise thing to do. However, at this point I am more confused than anything else, Joshua immediately refers to Aspire website and its statistics to illustrate how I am wrong… the problem is I make no reference to Aspire… statistics or anything else related to what I am supposed to be wrong about. If you could, please connect the dots for me as I am missing your point.

    Joshua stated… Darrell seems to mostly just want to disagree… that is your first sentence to your paragraph… the following information in the paragraph should explain what it is that I am disagreeing with… nothing that follows is about disagreeing…again… I am confused.

    As far as charter schools in California, teachers have an exemption from states' collective bargaining laws… nothing I said would imply or state I think charter schools are union. I mentioned teachers from public schools could transfer back and forth without a reduction in salary or benefits as several public school teachers I know inquired and then told me they could… maybe that is district policy, I’m not sure why. If what the teachers told me was wrong, Ill stand corrected.

    As far as vouchers, you are almost to the point of misinformation and hysteria. The scenario you suggest is so unlikely that it is a waste of time to contemplate. If you read what I stated with understanding, you would notice I said that vouchers could be used to attend schools “licensed” by the “city or county” that the school resides in. I would think the city of Lodi would most likely not grant a license to “Satanic” orientated schools. Classic red herring you offer. Obviously in a voucher system, like was successfully implemented in Washington DC, oversight and accountability would be essential.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 6:31 pm on Mon, Jan 24, 2011.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Very good comments, Mr. Hutchison. I have had only one experience with a religious school which my husband insisted that my son attend in 7th grade (a local Lutheran school, btw). His education was greatly enhanced during the first two weeks when he learned (from teachers) that Catholics are not Christians and Mormons are even worse. For this and other reasons (such as a lousy curriculum and teachers) we put him back in public school the following year.

    Strangely enough, my daughter (who attended a youth group at TBC for a couple of years) learned the same lesson and insists to this day that Catholics are definitely not Christians.

     
  • Joshua Hutchison posted at 5:25 pm on Mon, Jan 24, 2011.

    Joshua Hutchison Posts: 57

    there=their (first paragraph 5th sentence)
    darn... the only one I noticed and it is too late to take it back now, forgive me other mistakes made in haste.

     
  • Joshua Hutchison posted at 5:23 pm on Mon, Jan 24, 2011.

    Joshua Hutchison Posts: 57

    Actually Darrell is wrong. Look at the statistics post at Aspires website about ESL, minority, and reduced/free lunch statistics. Some of the students have special education plans. These schools are not "Cherry Picking" students, the single factor involved in the selection of their students is that all participants are self selected. Only parents who apply will have there children inducted into the schools. My children were in a lottery for 2 years to get into Aspire while one attended Borchardt. Borchardt is still a great school and about that Jaime and I agree whole-heartedly.

    Darrell seems to mostly just want to disagree. The Teachers at my childrens Charter school do not even belong to a labor union. (I have been told) And while Teachers do move around between schools, I do not see this as having had a negative impact on the students education. (They get a different teacher most years anyway.) I don't understand how his objection to teachers moving between other non-charter schools is relevant even if it is true.

    Vouchers would be a great system for destroying our education system and making sure that no one had to endure learning to tolerate people who are different than themselves. We could start Muslim schools, Sikh schools, Atheism schools, Catholics schools, Episcopal schools, Methodist schools, Lutheran schools, Satanist schools. All of the curriculim could be religious, and reinforce how different the students are from those who attend other schools. It would be a great way to start the "New Dark Ages". We could all Celebrate our Government funded Church schools with Koran Burning, Bible Burning, Book Burning, Idol worship, and give thanks to the Government who taxes the masses to support the great body of the Church.

     
  • Jackson Scott posted at 4:57 pm on Mon, Jan 24, 2011.

    Jackson Scott Posts: 386

    First, Mr. Chase, have you ever spent a day or five in a public school classroom? I have, and do so on a regular basis. The subgroups you must be talking about are 1) the trouble makers who disrupt the classroom every 15 minutes, 2) the new immigrant student who does not speak English, 3) the kids who parents sit them in front of a tv for hours on end instead of reading with them, helping them with homework, etc.

    There are plenty of smart, disciplined, & motivated student who come from homes where the parents don't fit into Mr. Chase's mold. The sad reality is that few of these kids will continue with it through high school and make it into college. Why? Because the public school system has NO discipline & NO accountability for the students. Hence, those "problem" students will ruin the educational experience for the rest of the kids. Just ask any teacher.

    Jaime, to call Borchardt an "eastside" school, like, say, Lawrence or Heritage is a huge stretch. Big, gigantic, 4XL.... The socio-economics of Borchardt vs the other two are much, much different.

    If my three kids were entering school now and not in high school they would be going to a charter school.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 3:33 pm on Mon, Jan 24, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    I agree with Jeff to a certain point, which is charter schools are not the best answer for providing quality education, but it is a vast improvement over traditional public schools. One of the advantages is that the charter school and teachers can decide better what and how to teach the children. Teachers I have talked to said they love teaching at Charters… that enthusiasm and joy of teaching is good for the kids.
    The problem with Charter schools is that they are controlled by the public schools where teachers can transfer back and forth from Public to charter with out loss in benefit of salary. In addition, the school district has the power to approve or deny its existence.
    A much better system would be vouchers for parents who can choose which school to enroll in. The city or county that licenses schools would control its existence instead of the public school system.
    In my view, Jeff’s contention that Charters do not contend with subgroups and parents that traditional public schools do, is accurate, and I am thankful and appreciative that his point is right. To me, that indicates that the subgroups have been dictating the whole for way to long and should not be in the same system. If you look at the most effective school system in the world, it is Sweden. There, these subgroups are managed in a more appropriate setting. If fact, by the students junior year, they can opt out of scholastics and enroll in a publically funded trade school. Not all children are the same. Some do well in scholastics; others do well in hands on experiences. Why should all children be in the same system? I think the current public school system is crewel and ineffective for these children and they should not be treated so badly.

     
  • Joshua Hutchison posted at 2:19 pm on Mon, Jan 24, 2011.

    Joshua Hutchison Posts: 57

    Jeff Chase's comments are only half true. The "subgroups" are definately those who take an interest in their childrens education by applying to a high scoring schools waiting list. So it is a self selected sub-group. However, their participation may end there. These schools cannot expect or demand extensive participation from all of their students parents without targeting those who need to work to support their family and don't have time during the week to contribute. These schools do set their goals very high, are very oriented toward test taking skills and use their administrative efficiencies to put more resources toward those goals.
    Both of my daughters attend one of these charter schools, and I support their strategy. I also don't see any reason why Public Schools could not be similarly structured in the best interests of their main purpose.

     
  • Jaime Quesada posted at 11:43 am on Mon, Jan 24, 2011.

    Jaime Quesada Posts: 5

    The article states that, "The state index ranges from 200 to 1,000 points, and although all schools would like to score at or above the 800-point benchmark, few local schools achieve that goal." It would be nice to see which local schools have scored abe the coveted 800 point mark...as far as I know, Borchardt is the ONLY Eastside schoo that has surpassed the 800-point benchmark...WAY TO GO BORCHARDT BEARS staff, students, and administrators!

     
  • Jeff Chase posted at 10:36 am on Mon, Jan 24, 2011.

    Jeff Chase Posts: 12

    What a discouraging trend in public education. Charters are NOT dealing with some of the same student subgroups and parents that the traditional public schools are........they will kick kids out that don't buy in, place families on contracts, typically have parents who are much more vested in their kids education, and the list goes on. Too bad much of the press presents these schools as a panacea, yet neglects to really talk about the fact that it's not the schools that are successful, it's just the kids and parents (who tend to come from more successul, disciplined, and motivated families) who are. Get rid of the riff raff that non-charter public schools must continuously accept and their scores would be much higher as well. I resent that Charters pull money from our local public schools to serve segments of the population that don't want to be "around" all those "other" kids.

     
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