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• jeff brandt posted at 12:49 pm on Tue, Aug 16, 2011.

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  "Sad stereotypical explanation for this violence. Primary sources (as in gang and ex-gang member accounts) will tell you that there is no "logical" (as most people understand logic) for gang-on-gang violence. None whatsoever."

  Seriously?... Most gang violence is between gangs (unless they are robbing an innocent victim). Haven't you ever watched "Gangland", "Lock Up", "The First 48" or any other documentary on gangs? Have you ever spoken to a gang banger about their hatred of other gangs and its members? I have. A lot. The hatred these people have for one another is astonishing to say the least. You will probably notice a large amount of red clothing worn on the east side. Its not for fashion. Go out to Thornton and you will see a lot of blue. Most gang violence in this area is Norteno (red) -vs- Sureno (blue), or their respective "clicks", and they just happen to be made up primarily of hispanics. Its not "racist" or "stereotypical", its the truth. Oh, and by the way, most gangsters will lie about their involvement in gangs, or what their gang is involved in, especially when it involves violence.

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• mizzo roberts posted at 10:26 am on Tue, Aug 16, 2011.

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  Yes Mr. Scott I agree that the important aspect is education. The Lodi eastside has many hispanics and lags behind other schools. When these young misguided men are hauled into court they always tell the judge they are "trying" to get their GED. What a laugh..how hard are the requirements for a GED ? Many others are at the top of their class, but they aren't in hood gangs !

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• Doug Chaney posted at 8:57 am on Tue, Aug 16, 2011.

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  Ms. Bobin, it's called retaliation.

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• Joanne Bobin posted at 6:10 pm on Mon, Aug 15, 2011.

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  Mr. Scott wrote: "Oh, come on now Joanne. You know as good as I do that these shootings were by Mexican young men, probably age 15-25, and most likely in gangs."

  If Mr. Scott had read the entire post (very much like the selective reading of Ms. Roberts), you would have noticed that I agreed with Mr. Chapman's "assessment."

  Mr. Scott went on to say: "Or worse, told someone that the thugs sister is attractive."

  Sad stereotypical explanation for this violence. Primary sources (as in gang and ex-gang member accounts) will tell you that there is no "logical" (as most people understand logic) for gang-on-gang violence. None whatsoever.

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• Todd Baker posted at 5:11 pm on Mon, Aug 15, 2011.

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  Sorry for the repost everyone....my phone didnt show it worked the first time.

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• Todd Baker posted at 5:05 pm on Mon, Aug 15, 2011.

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  Begin typing here...Trista, i dont think having brighter street lights would improve the amount of people who are caught for these crimes. I believe alot of the residents know who is doing certian crimes, but are too affraid of "snitching" on them in fear of retaliation. I live in an older neighborhood that just got streetlights in the last 10 years and i can tell you the crime has only got worse since they were installed, so i doubt brighter ones will get the people talking to police so they can do their jobs and clean up our town.

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• Todd Baker posted at 4:56 pm on Mon, Aug 15, 2011.

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  Trista....i dont think having brighter street lights would improve the amount of people caught for these crimes. I believe alot of the residents that are around when the stuff happens knows who did what, but are just too affraid to "snitch" on them in fear of retaliation. I live in an older area of lodi and we just got street lights on my street a few years back and i can tell you the crime in my area has only got worse with the streetlights.

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• trista aquino posted at 1:31 pm on Mon, Aug 15, 2011.

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  Hey! Im not mexican, paki-indian or white! And Im on the east side! Oh, I guess I must be in the less than .1% 'other' category on this poll. ......

  Well maybe if they didnt go rounding us all up during the war to stick us in some makeshift camp, our peeps would have a lot more land to stake their claim in. (Ok ok, rounding up my grandparents, great grandparents and all of their peeps, to be exact)

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• trista aquino posted at 1:19 pm on Mon, Aug 15, 2011.

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  Oops must be an echo in here...
  

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• trista aquino posted at 1:11 pm on Mon, Aug 15, 2011.

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  Well hello?? As soon as you cross the tracks, all of the bright white streetlights turn into dark orange crystal balls equivalent to a ft candle. If they would only shed some light on the situation~ literally, the east might be a safer place.... People are less willing to do (bad) things when they know people are watching them make a spectacle of themselves. And for those who still do, well atleast some light will help distinguish faces so the chances of them actually hitting the CORRECT target are far greater. Plus, w/ their face also being under a spotlight, as well as his getaway, it doesnt leave much room to 'flee the scene' so 'swift justice' can start on a little more timely basis, you know, helping to get the ball rolling and such.. . This has got to be like the 8,732,915 time I said this (give or take)

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• Jackson Scott posted at 12:57 pm on Mon, Aug 15, 2011.

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  Oh, come on now Joanne. You know as good as I do that these shootings were by Mexican young men, probably age 15-25, and most likely in gangs. I'm sure one thug looked at the other gangsta the wrong way. Or worse, told someone that the thugs sister is attractive.

  The demographics of the Eastside, along with analysis of the crime reports, support Mr. Chapman's theory. A look inside of the public schools shows the real truth: The Eastside is about 85% Hispanic, 14% Paki-Indian, & only 1% White. Schools like Heritage, Lawrence, Washington, & Needham schools represent the eastside.

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• Joanne Bobin posted at 12:31 pm on Mon, Aug 15, 2011.

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  Ms. Roberts wrote: "The surnames are Latino ethnics."

  There were no surnames mentioned in the article. The only person named was Sgt. Martinez.

  Mr. Chapman's comment was no doubt accurate, but this is an example of how this town thinks. A reader who believes she read something that wasn't even there, and then comments on an entire segment of the community.

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• mizzo roberts posted at 9:41 am on Mon, Aug 15, 2011.

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  The study of demographics by the City of Lodi has revealed the East side is the problem area. The surnames are Latino ethnics. Our new Chief of Police will study the statistics.

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• Robert Chapman posted at 6:54 am on Mon, Aug 15, 2011.

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  Upon arrival, suspects and victims had fled the area, but officers were told that there were two males in a small white vehicle and that the gunfire MAY HAVE BEEN GANG-RELATED. Duh, ya think?

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