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Posted: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 10:00 pm

A parolee in custody on accusations of crashing a stolen car into an apartment and breaking water pipes in the process has more water woes: He and another inmate are accused of damaging a Lodi courthouse sprinkler and causing about $4,000 worth of damages.


Timothy Nolan Jr.

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21 comments:

  • posted at 4:48 am on Fri, Nov 21, 2008.

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    Ms. Bohm - thank you for your reply. Not too long ago there was an editorial printed in the Lodi News-Sentinel that was literally asking for input from its readers as to how to keep the paper afloat. With the advent of the Internet and so many other places for us to get our daily doses of current news, it isn't surprising that "printed" papers are taking a hit. In response to that plea, many of us offered our thoughts. Among the different ideas presented, a call for the paper's reporters to dig in and present us with the whole story (no matter where the story would lead) was enthusiastically suggested. Before and since then I have attempted to keep that one idea alive in the blogs. This is why I attacked your story as I did.However, the only significant change that I've noticed was the increase in cost for the printed edition of the newspaper. While you have nothing to do with that, I still wonder how that has been working out. Are "paid" readership and advertising revenues on the rise? I am curious as to know if it has helped at all.

     
  • posted at 3:14 am on Thu, Nov 20, 2008.

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    lodisafeway: If I sounded argumentative, I apologize -- that certainly was not my intention. Comments often help me get another viewpoint that I hadn't considered, so I appreciate you taking the time to let me know how I can make things more clear in the future.As for why I had no further explanation about the high bail amount, I didn't see the booking information until after courts had closed at 4 p.m. Sometimes police will go to a judge to get bail increased until formal charges are filed (especially if they think a suspect is going to be released from custody), but I didn't know if that's what happened in this case.In retrospect, I see that I probably should have included a line explaining that no further information was available that day.

     
  • posted at 1:36 pm on Wed, Nov 19, 2008.

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    Look, Ms. Bohm - I didn't intend to get into an argument with you. You decided to become involved here. I voiced my opinion about the facts presented AND about the way the article was written. However, your most recent posting makes absolutely no sense as it pertains to the points I was trying to make.Simply put, $535,000 bail is not what one would expect to be levied against anyone for breaking sprinklers where the amount of the damage comes to a paltry $4,000 (compared to the bail). In light of your reporting that the guy (Hall) was in jail on nothing more than traffic infractions, this only raises other questions as to what might be going on.My concern about the bail amount, logically is not something that you could do anything about - this is simply what happened. However, your lack of digging further into the "why's" and "wherefore's" into this situation is why I criticized your work as I did.Yet if all you relied upon was the booking information for your story (instead of perhaps approaching actual human beings), then I suppose you did all that was required of you. Nice job!

     
  • posted at 12:05 pm on Wed, Nov 19, 2008.

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    Layla, you'll have to forgive Gerard, he's still reeling from the McCain landslide defeat. Keep up the good work.

     
  • posted at 11:28 am on Wed, Nov 19, 2008.

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    lodisafeway: The vandalism and conspiracy allegations were listed as felonies in booking information. Nowhere in the article did it say if Hall's or Nolan's alleged involvement was more serious than the other. While Nolan was certainly facing more serious charges in the unrelated case than Hall's traffic infractions, that doesn't have any bearing on who was responsible for the jail damage.

     
  • posted at 9:01 am on Wed, Nov 19, 2008.

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    What I determined to be "poorly written" was the obvious failure to follow-up with logical questions. Any experienced reporter on a courthouse beat, when confronted with such an outrageous bail amount of over a half-million dollars would naturally question the reasoning for it - especially where the defendant is charged with traffic infractions and a non-violent misdemeanor. As I stated earlier, David Halls involvement (according to what is presented to us) is miniscule compared to his partner-in-crime. Yet why the high bail? At least the question should have been posed and the response noted - even if there was no response forthcoming. Absent this, the editor should have at least suggested to the reporter to dig just a bit deeper to get the entire story - such as could there have been another reason for the bail being set as it was?But this is generally typical of what I find in the Lodi News-Sentinel. Either the reporters simply don't have the journalistic instincts to go after more than what is on the surface of any story, or they just submit the bare minimum to get the story printed with their by-line.

     
  • posted at 8:16 am on Wed, Nov 19, 2008.

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    lodisafeway: I'm not sure which part of the article was "poorly written," but the bail amount was listed on jail records, along with allegations of vandalism and conspiracy, both felonies. I'm sure a judge will set bail at a lower amount once prosecutors file actual charges, but that was the amount set until the suspects appeared in court again.As for the two suspects, I don't know if one was the instigator and another followed. Deputies declined to go into specifics.

     
  • posted at 4:56 am on Wed, Nov 19, 2008.

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    And if what Lodi'syummymummy states is true that "...the DA is also looking at ... the possibility that if Hall listens to Nolan on such a little thing- [what are the] chance[s] he will try to do something even more bizarre for him when released," then we have a bigger problem than the stupidity of an incarcerated infraction-toting, sprinkler-damaging moron - we have an officer of the court actually trying to determine what someone "might" do if permitted to run free. Well, wouldn't that just be dandy if they apply that standard to everyone!!As far as one can tell from this poorly-written article, Hall has been convicted of nothing - only "suspected" of damaging a sprinkler system. Sure, he's probably guilty as hell, but again, so what? Aside from his traffic infractions (the depth and width we also do not know because of the fine reporting done here), the balance of the story reveals the real (albeit "alleged") criminality of his alleged cohort.Bail must be commensurate with the seriousness of the crime and the likelihood that the offender might flee the jurisdiction. Being "miffed" is not a valid reason for $535,000 bail.

     
  • posted at 4:49 am on Wed, Nov 19, 2008.

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    T & C- that comment was so lame

     
  • posted at 3:51 am on Wed, Nov 19, 2008.

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    Bail is supposed to be applied in any amount to serve two purposes - to protect the community and to ensure the presence of the "alleged" offender at later court appearances.Whether or not time was delayed (and how often is the delay the result of nothing an offender might do) and how "miffed" the officials might be, to set bail at over a half-million dollars just seems to be exorbitant. This kind of judicial temperament is not what anyone should expect of our judges and district attorneys. Sure, Hall's a moron - so what! There's no law against being stupid. But if bail can be set as such a high amount for this, without questioning the reasoning what is to keep them from demanding millions more for other non-violent crimes? It could be any one of us (stupid or otherwise) finding ourselves on the receiving end of "miffed" officials that might keep us in jail indefinitely due to an inability to pay such an amount. In spite of what we read here, there is the presumption of innocence for "all" who are accused - and that includes us out here as well.

     
  • posted at 3:35 am on Wed, Nov 19, 2008.

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    I think the fire sprinkler system should haved been caged up with wire type cage so they couldn't tamper with it. Another design flaw with the new jail.

     
  • posted at 3:14 am on Wed, Nov 19, 2008.

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    Okey all you bloggers on this article-sprinkler systems are mandated (this is a new jail too!), obviously the question is why would anyone "follow the leader" of a man who's being held on suspicion of stolen property etc., listen to him and "break off part of anything?" The criminal mind is obviously not smart that's why this situation happened-criminalistic behaivor does not have a conscience. Monkey see, monkey's do! Bail can be set up anyway the DA's see fit (yes their are to be guidelines) but these persons delayed time of a judicial branch any person would be miffed. What the DA is also looking at is the possibility that if Hall listens to Nolan on such a little thing-there is that chance he will try to do something even more bizarre for him when released! Really do you believe the excuse "they wanted to draw on the walls with a sharp object"-you are in a holding cell waiting to go before a judge and someone does this! Mentality of a criminal mind does not make sense-if you cannot behave yourself in a cell you are are punished for your consequences something they lacked guidance of.

     
  • posted at 2:37 am on Wed, Nov 19, 2008.

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    Ok, I'm a little confused. A guy is in jail on nothing more than traffic infractions (not even misdemeanors) and was apparently set for release on his own recognizance. Okay, he and another dolt decide to mess with the sprinklers and things get screwed up to the tune of $4,000.First, I'm sure the price tag will reach at least $25,000 based upon the fact that any maintenance company will inflate their estimate to fleece us out of more than what is required (another story for another time).But here is where I am confused - how did this guy's bail jump from $0 to $535,000 over a simple vandalism count? Hey, as far as I'm concerned they can throw away the key - but how could this one offense merit such a drastic change in this man's legal condition? Perhaps the D.A. and the judge are more than just a little angry over being disrespected? Or are their (everyone's) dry-cleaning bills adding to the horror of this incident? Regardless, isn't this something a crack LNS reporter would have pried into - even if just a little?

     
  • posted at 2:08 am on Wed, Nov 19, 2008.

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    Why as taxpayers are we stuck with these idiots. Perhaps it is not to late for an abortion? What is the purpose of their existence and using up our oxygen. Oh that's right they had a bad mother or father.

     
  • posted at 2:08 am on Wed, Nov 19, 2008.

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    They look as smart as their behavior. Maybe The city of Lodi can try to rehabilitate them by giving them a job with the other smart people in the Finance Department?.

     
  • posted at 1:47 am on Wed, Nov 19, 2008.

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    Aaaaaawwwwwww their clothes got wet. Poor babies, guess that didn't occur to them before they did it. Just another expense for the taxpayer to pick up.

     
  • posted at 1:28 am on Wed, Nov 19, 2008.

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    This is why we need cells that are three cememt walls and a metal door and no windows. oh, and in a basement. Ofcourse if they had access to the sprinkler system they were going to play with it. A poor design. It should have been set up so they wouldn't reach it and any other thing as well. Don't they watch these guys while they are in those cells?

     
  • posted at 1:28 am on Wed, Nov 19, 2008.

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    Those inmates need to "Clean up their act"!

     
  • posted at 1:26 am on Wed, Nov 19, 2008.

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    Educator, you're right. These guys look like they belong on those posters.Mr. Hall sounds like he really likes jail, since he was ready to get out before he did this. Maybe he made some good friends there and didn't want to leave them.

     
  • posted at 12:53 am on Wed, Nov 19, 2008.

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    We need to flush these people from society. Yes Mad Dog...our comments were too easy.BTW..do a google search for "Faces of Meth" these two guys look like they could be in that slide show. maybe.

     
  • posted at 9:14 pm on Tue, Nov 18, 2008.

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    I would say these criminals are all washed up...but that would be too easy.

     
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