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Posted: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 12:00 am | Updated: 9:22 am, Tue May 10, 2011.

Hundreds of teachers from around California descended on the state Capitol on Monday to make the case for extending tax hikes as a way to stave off deep budget cuts to public education.

Amid tightened security, the teachers marched to the Capitol in hopes of meeting with lawmakers and even staging sit-ins in the building.

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12 comments:

  • Mike Adams posted at 6:54 pm on Fri, May 13, 2011.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1501

    Nor did I. A fair compromise.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 12:39 pm on Fri, May 13, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mike stated...Darrell, experts in all fields disagree with each other. They generally don't believe that those they disagree with are lying or incompetent or unqualified...

    I cannot disagree with this post... however, your points have nothing to do with mine... lets just leave it that I failed to express my point in an effective mannor

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 5:56 pm on Thu, May 12, 2011.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1501

    Darrell,
    From someone who has actually taught economics (as well as other subjects), I am merely pointing out that just because someone knows something about a particular discipline, but who has no college course work, passed subject matter exams, and so on, that teaching any course requires a lot of rigor. The fact that you disagree with what this one teacher said, let's say his name is "Mike Adams"(per your suggestion), is fine and is appropriate. But from what I can deduce from your post is that because he is not providing information that you agree with, that he is somehow incompetent.

    Darrell, experts in all fields disagree with each other. They generally don't believe that those they disagree with are lying or incompetent or unqualified.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 3:13 pm on Thu, May 12, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mike stated...would be a better teacher than someone who has at least a BA

    Mike... .are you being silly intentionally... I'm not talking about “someone” who at least has a BA...
    I'm talking about this one particular teacher... To demonstrate just how bad a teacher I think he is, I picked “someone” who is “not” a teacher intentionally .. then you begin to make points about Tom... who I chose randomly just to make a point... for argument sake... lets change this for your benefit...
    This teacher is sooooo bad … that “Mike Adams” could teach more about real economics in one hour than this teacher in one year... Now if you want to criticize yourself since I used you as an example, please feel free.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 6:23 am on Thu, May 12, 2011.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1501

    So you think someone off the street, whose qualifications are totally unknown, other than writing one entry in a small town newspaper blog, would be a better teacher than someone who has at least a BA and has qualilfied by either major or examination to teach a college prep subject would be a better teacher of a semester course?

    Someone who makes inaccurate, blanket statements such as "Speaking of disgrace, how does our education system stack up to the rest of the states? How about the rest of the world. When our students start learning something in school, maybe then we can have a discussion about funding." and shows absolutely no grasp of evaluation of educational systems even might be a better teacher.... This is what's wrong with education in this country.

    Just because someone graduated from high school and picks up cliches and repeats them ad nauseum fortunaty doesn't qualify someone to teach school.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:35 pm on Wed, May 11, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mike... let me be more direct... I was not suggesting that Tom would be a good economics teacher... so any comment of Tom's you question is off my topic... I stated he would be "Better" than Mr Nelson as Mr Nelson would cause harm where as Tom would not. I am not talking about politics.. I am talking about this teachers lack of knowledge in what he is supposed to be teaching.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 8:22 am on Wed, May 11, 2011.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1501

    Your math is fuzzy.

    What about the civil disobedience? Strange how our perceptions of actions by others is colored by our pollitics.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:59 pm on Tue, May 10, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mike stated...Darrell, My experience with people like Tom Carlson is that their knowledge is a mile wide and an inch deep.

    Mike... let me put it differently... sorry I was not clear... if Tom's knowledge is as you described, this economics teacher's knowledge would be 1/8 mile wide and 1/100th of an inch deep. So thin ... that a student would fall through and injury their intelligence. Thanks for questioning my statement so I could clarify.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 6:27 pm on Tue, May 10, 2011.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1501

    Darrell, My experience with people like Tom Carlson is that their knowledge is a mile wide and an inch deep. Any high school class would figure out pretty quick that teaching someone a particular subject like economics (but it could apply to any course), that when the teacher slings out cliche after cliche, that the teacher doesn't really know anything on the course.

    Statements like "Did you see the disobedience by the teachers? Dragged away by CHP officers for failing to obey the rules of conduct? What a disgrace they are. And they are supposed to be an example for our children?" are just laughable.

    It's called "civil disobedience". Normal people learn about it in high school. There have been many instances of "civil disobedience" in our history. Like the Boston Tea Party. Can you believe the way those colonials dumped all that tea? What a disgrace they were.

    And they are held up to be patriots? What an example for our children.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:26 am on Tue, May 10, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    The union stated ( I mean the hidden democrat's press secretary)...We are here today and we will be here the entire week to tell our legislators they must extend the temporary taxes.”... bur what they dont say... it is they that contribute to the
    anti-business environment that decreases tax revenue to pay for education.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:24 am on Tue, May 10, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Doug Nielson, a government and economics teacher at Coalinga High School, said he was frustrated after visiting the offices of Republican lawmakers whom he said seemed more concerned with adhering to their ideology than addressing what he called a crisis in public education.

    This to me was eye opening... an economics teacher has no clue ...not even a hint... as to the solution to keep his own job (from an economic perspective)... means that what he teaches his students is a detrimental to our country. He complains that the Republicans are the problem, when in fact, he himself , his ideology is the problem.

    "Tom Carlson" could obviously take over Mr Nielson's class and teach more about economics in one hour than this man can in one year. Maybe if Mr Nielson focused on how tax revenue could be increased and at the same time decrease the tax rate, as well as a host of roadblocks that chase jobs away from California thus decreasing tax revenue to pay his salary, he would save his own job. Its no wonder China is going to overtake our economy in short order.. we have the likes of Mr Nielson to teach our kids how to fail (economically)
    He cannot possibly be an economics teacher... he just has a piece of paper that says he is.

     
  • Tom Carlson posted at 6:52 am on Tue, May 10, 2011.

    Tom Carlson Posts: 69

    Did you see the disobedience by the teachers? Dragged away by CHP officers for failing to obey the rules of conduct? What a disgrace they are. And they are supposed to be an example for our children?

    Speaking of disgrace, how does our education system stack up to the rest of the states? How about the rest of the world. When our students start learning something in school, maybe then we can have a discussion about funding. Education is already where 50% of our tax dollars go, but the greedy unions want it all. "Tax the Rich" doesn't cut it. The rich are leaving to states with better government, better schools, and better manners. Why would someone who is rich stay in this state? Failing schools, uneducated workers, welfare mentality. What would make someone who has the means to go elsewhere want to stay here.

    Make no mistake, this is a union sponsored event to bring more money to the union and its members and to scare the politicians into not holding the teachers accountable for the results in the classroom.

     
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