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Grape Bowl booked Friday; Lodi Flames football playoff set for Thursday instead

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Posted: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 12:00 am | Updated: 5:48 am, Wed Nov 17, 2010.

The Lodi High School football team will play its first real home game of the season at the Grape Bowl this week, but its playoff showdown against McNair will be played under the Thursday night lights instead of Friday.

The No. 12-seeded Flames (8-3) drew an against-the-odds home game after defeating No. 5 Turlock High School (8-3) on Friday night, and No. 13 McNair (8-3) also pulled off an upset in taking down No. 4 Franklin High School, of Elk Grove (8-3). As the higher seed, the Flames won the right to host the second round home game against the Eagles in the second round of the Division I Sac-Joaquin Section playoffs.

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  • Timothy Tyler posted at 10:00 am on Thu, Nov 18, 2010.

    Timothy Tyler Posts: 8

    Da George! I meant the Eagles not the Titians.
    Too much excitement to think straight. Can't wait until 2note, so Lodi can set this mother lover off!

  • Timothy Tyler posted at 9:40 pm on Wed, Nov 17, 2010.

    Timothy Tyler Posts: 8

    Lets pack the Grape bowl to max capacity and spill out into the parking lot and streets. Put all this "Witch Hunt" talk off until this weekend when we can be focused on it more attentivly. Right know the Flames need all our "FLAMING" attention to be positive, behind them, focused on the Titians. Remember the Titains? The Flames do! After Thursday night, the Titains will Remember the night they got "BURNED UP"
    by the Flames. I'm looking for a complete Defensive shut down led by The Silver Bullet # 25 and the Sack Master Supreme #77.
    Everyone go to kcra 3:
    and vote for the Lodi vs. Mcnair game for High school game of the week. We could get a little news coverage on this.

  • roy bitz posted at 7:38 pm on Wed, Nov 17, 2010.

    roy bitz Posts: 503

    This going to be a great football evening, great but Ken Rhodes makes a good point regarding Waste Management rates going.
    Waste Management was awarded a twenty year contract---with annual rate increases based on the consumer price index of the bay area. No competing bids were called for and none were considered by our elected officials.
    This deal was proposed by our then city manager and approved by just three councilmen. We will be paying for this donation many times over.
    Thank you councilmen---may we have another?

  • Josh Morgan posted at 12:36 pm on Wed, Nov 17, 2010.

    Josh Morgan Posts: 542 will be interesting to see how long it takes to remodel Cal's stadium. They've been working on that project for years and just got the students out of the trees. I'll bet you don't see that public project done for another couple of years.

  • Ken Rhoads posted at 10:25 am on Wed, Nov 17, 2010.

    Ken Rhoads Posts: 17

    Jackson-You are right, the project was not a high priority item. Because the construction timeline had nothing to do with getting Lodi or Tokay on that field. You had referenced that my facts were wrong on the Stanford Stadium Remodel Construction Schedule. I will not give you false info. I tell the truth, that just ruffles feathers with the City and the School District as they think we are too stupid to know any better. Case in point, Mr Rodems wants you to believe Stimulus money is not your tax money and impact fees are not either. See Public Officials don't care where the money comes from because it is yours. Ask any contractor or businessman in this city when they pay their Quarterly where the money goes. You have a zip code so they can allocate your tax dollar. Rodems did not sell anyone out, he did his job. They schedule the venue to make revenue for the city. He not only rented it, he was able to rent it for 2 nights at $120 an hour. I am just not one to give people kudos for doing what they are paid to do. When was the last time a contractor in this community got a thank you for completing one of their jobs behind schedule? Others here on this blog have to maintain a professional relationship with these poeple, I don't.

    There is no loyalty to either high school and they are not entitled to the Grape Bowl. I am an advocate for on campus facilities at both high schools. However, as long as YOUR public officials in this city control permits and environmental impact studies and believe it will impact their ability to put people in the seats at the Grape Bowl, that will never be a reality. Because it is about revenue. This has and will for years have a direct impact on your children and the athletic programs at these schools.

    The article was about them playing on Thursday as opposed to Friday. I believe many readers believed this was another disappointment. I am attempting to raise an awareness of a need at both high schools and a need for us as citizens to be vigilent in monitoring what our Public Officials say and what is the truth. Go Flames!!!!

  • Jackson Scott posted at 9:43 pm on Tue, Nov 16, 2010.

    Jackson Scott Posts: 392

    Gerald, you're right- The City of Lodi's Recreation & Parks Department, lead by Jim Rodems did sellout Lodi High. "Hey, screw 1 of our 2 hometown teams in the playoffs and take the deposit from a Stockton private school first without even consulting with Lodi High which won their playoff game."

    What I have not read, nor could I find on the Rec Dept website, is if the Grape Bowl rental deposit is non-refundable. While I do think Rodem's department did the unthinkable I also believe that AD Aiken should have been on the phone last Friday night to Rodems or Mike Reese reserving the facility... if not earlier in the week. I'm guessing but I'm sure her hands were tied & unable to put down a deposit before knowing positively that the Flames made the playoffs. But this is what the citizens of Lodi get when we bring in outsiders to run our city & school district.

    Ken Rhodes, all I'm saying is that the Grape Bowl project was, for the City, a low priority project with a tight budget. Stanford's was a high priority to both the University AND the city of Palo Alto. I'm sure that special arrangements were made between Standford & PA in regards to the construction & inspection process.

  • Gerald Krein posted at 6:52 pm on Tue, Nov 16, 2010.

    Gerald Krein Posts: 20

    According to the Lodi News Sentinel, the City is going to make a $120.00 per hour by renting the Grape Bowl to Brookside Christian High School, of Stockton. If they rent it for 6 hours that is all of $720.00. It is sad that the city has to sell out our local schools for such a small amount. Maybe if the city had not been so unfriendly to big business over the past years we would have a little more sales tax in our general fund to help fund events important to Lodi residence. Example is that both Winco and Super Walmart would be in our city for the past several years generating money for our city. Thank god they are going to allow Costco, Bestbuy, and Home Depot to build in our city. Maybe in the future the city won’t have to sell out. I want to wish the Flames the best of luck on Thursday night.

  • Ken Rhoads posted at 5:55 pm on Tue, Nov 16, 2010.

    Ken Rhoads Posts: 17

    Rodems-However, Isn't it funny how we never saw anything about a huge donor list printed in the paper. But we did read about a $1 million donation from waste management. We did open our mailboxes 2 days later to a WM rate increase. I guess we can just call that a fee, not a tax. Oh wait maybe this is stimulus too. Where is that money? Sorry so late with my response, but I had to WORK! I'm back now, and watching!!! You may have confused me with some hay seed from down south, but you don't have one here. Carlson, you hit it right on the head they are calling us out.

  • Ken Rhoads posted at 5:42 pm on Tue, Nov 16, 2010.

    Ken Rhoads Posts: 17

    Mr. Rodems, Is the Energy Efficiency Project Stimulus Money the same as the Federal Stimulus money. Last time I checked that was our tax money too. Does that now qualify me as one of those donors on your list? I said nothing about local tax reve.

  • Ken Rhoads posted at 5:35 pm on Tue, Nov 16, 2010.

    Ken Rhoads Posts: 17

    Jackson Scott, here, I would like to paste a statement from the Stanford Media Guide. "The $100 million project on the new stadium began on November 26, 2005, moments after Stanford's final game. The project was completed in an unprecedented 42-weeks, in time to host the Cardinal's 2006 home opener versus Navy on September 16." Ok, I'm sorry, I went to a local high school, I took my shoes off and it is 10 months. Are you freakin' kidding me!!! What is more off base is the fact that we had field turf and ADA access ramps to complete. Our season end November 3. I hope my spelling is correct. All of my facts are public information.

  • Julie Edsell posted at 4:04 pm on Tue, Nov 16, 2010.

    Julie Edsell Posts: 36

    WOW!! all this drama!! It is all about the boys. Let's just all be happy that we are in the 2nd round of playoffs and focus on the game. I LOVE LODI FOOTBALL!!! No matter where we play. GO FLAMES!!!!!!!!

  • mark armstrong posted at 2:42 pm on Tue, Nov 16, 2010.

    mark armstrong Posts: 18

    i am so excited for lodi high school, todd dillon and his coaches, the players, their parents.....the town of lodi......i do feel sorry for those two poor teams that will have to play on that beautiful new turf...under clear skies.....bright lights.....huge crowd...nice scoreboard that works......i only have one wish..that my son patrick could still be playing to experience it....thanks jim rodems and the city of lodi and everyone who made it happen for believing in a project and making it happen...better late than....mud and bumps and water and need i say more...i am so happy can you tell.

    oh ya go lodi

  • Tom Carlson posted at 1:59 pm on Tue, Nov 16, 2010.

    Tom Carlson Posts: 69

    Hey Jim,

    You state very clearly in point 4 that this is a city facility. Then you state that it was in a state of disrepair. Who was responsible for the upkeep that got it into such a sorry state?

    And since you are calling people out, how about you state how much you personally donated to the project?

  • Jim Rodems posted at 1:48 pm on Tue, Nov 16, 2010.

    Jim Rodems Posts: 3

    I would like to correct a couple of misperceptions regarding the Grape Bowl:

    1. Funding for the renovation of the Grape Bowl came from community donations, energy efficiency project stimulus funding, impact fees from development projects, and county CDBG funds.
    2. Of all the above funding the only item that can be considered “tax” dollars would be the CDBG funds which represented less than 9% of the project cost and was only spent on ADA improvements, and the energy efficiency project (new lighting). None of the field improvements were paid with tax dollars.
    3. There was no General Fund money (City tax revenue) spent on the project.
    4. This is NOT an LUSD facility. The responsibility for holding dates is incumbent upon the requesting user and not the Parks and Recreation Department.
    5. And yes, a number of individuals worked hard to stitch together funding in order to save and upgrade this facility. It IS incumbent upon the department to generate revenue from the facility in order to elevate and maintain the financial viability of the venue. Management of the facility in this manner is done in order to ensure its continued existence and not allow it to return to the state of disrepair we found it in four years ago.
    6. We moved forward on this project when many others opposed the plan and would have rather seen some other type of development occur on the property.

    As I glance at reader comments, I see a number of complainants but also note that I see none of those names on the donor list for this facility.

    We wish the Lodi High football team the best of luck on Thursday and hope they enjoy the benefit of the new field for many years to come.

    James M. Rodems
    Interim Director – Parks and Recreation

  • Jackson Scott posted at 1:36 pm on Tue, Nov 16, 2010.

    Jackson Scott Posts: 392

    AD Erin Aiken could have gambled and put down the deposit in the hopes the Flames won. But, Rodems also could have waited to accept Brooksides deposit until after he spoke with Aiken. The city & LUSD have plenty of partnerships, and this is a stab in the back IMHO.
    Ken, your example is Stanford is way off base. I suggest you research all the facts on that stadium remodel construction schedule. It also helps when several rich alum donors kicked in tens of millions for a superfast timetable. However, why is anyone surprised? A) it's the city, B) it's construction. And you're wondering why it wasn't completed on time? Really? Realllllly?
    Mark Armstrong is correct! Let's look at the positives and pack the Grape Bowl on Thursday night! Too many if you look at the garden and only see the weeds while there are a bouquet of flowers ready to be picked.
    GO FLAMES!!!!

  • Doug Chaney posted at 12:50 pm on Tue, Nov 16, 2010.

    Doug Chaney Posts: 1232

    !Go Flames, Class of 1993!

  • Ken Rhoads posted at 11:36 am on Tue, Nov 16, 2010.

    Ken Rhoads Posts: 17

    Ask Erin Aikin how much gate revenue is down as a result of traveling out of town for home games. As I wrote yesterday in my blog. Stanford built their entire staduim in 7 months. On the FARM in the Bay Area, where you can't kick a dirt claude without a permit, inspection and note from your mother. This is not about a Thursday game, because our players and coaches are above all that. This is about the failure of a City to plan and complete a Stadium on time for a football season that starts at the same time every year. This is about a school district that has it's priorities screwed up. If you or I were to fail like this in the private sector, we would be gone!!! I have been all over this State and seen on campus facilities built with private funds. I see a baseball field on campus at Lodi High and I know where the money came from. A score board on the football field at Lodi High and I know where that came from. The kids at Lodi High need something to be proud of. School pride, a place they want to be. I can't tell you the number of time as a coach I heard our kids say, I wish we had a high school like this. It is not a matter of can't, it is a matter of won't. The district won't do it because they don't want to do it. If you think they are committed to kids their actions speak otherwise. Cut teachers, put more primary age students in more seats and cut school days with furloughs because they won't effectively manage the money we have already given them.

  • Ken Rhoads posted at 11:14 am on Tue, Nov 16, 2010.

    Ken Rhoads Posts: 17

    Josh, as I prefaced before I was not going to be politically correct, just honest. I want to pose a question to you? If Tokay and Lodi both made the second round and were home teams, who gets the Grape Bowl Friday night? I know, your going to say Brookside Christian!!! =)
    The dialog I am trying to establish is that both schools should have what the others in their leagues and district have. We didn't need that Palace out on Cluff, but they built it. We didn't need the Alpine School Retrofit, but they did it. We don't need the number of Administrators at the district office but we have it. They don't need cell phone etc... What we do need is our tax dollar to go where it is needed.
    I am personally speaking to a systemic problem in this community. The young people and citizens in this community deserve much better. I am making my point now because this is the time, and the issue of field use has once again reared its ugly head. It is a city owned facility. Not Lodi's not Tokay's, the City's. Lodi High and Tokay High have a gentelmen's agreement with the City, but have no rights to the facility. Every other school in our League has an on campus stadium, including McNair and Bear Creek, schools in the Lodi School District. On campus facilities generate revenue for the district, especially Football. The district rents the Grape Bowl from and pays a percentage of the concessions to the City. (I bet that went up too) The poor fiscal management of our City and School District leaders has resulted in Lodi and Tokay playing home games at a City owned facility since Tokay came on line in the 70's. (cont)

  • Ken Rhoads posted at 10:58 am on Tue, Nov 16, 2010.

    Ken Rhoads Posts: 17

    Josh, I am all for playing on Thursday night at the Grape Bowl where in my rant did I oppose playing on Thursday night? It is not optimal, as my son has a test or two on Friday morning as do many of the other players. However, all of Mr. Armstrongs points are valid and speak to the here and now. I am down with all that Mark wrote. Go Mark!! I am speeaking to the systemic issues that need to be addressed by the School District and the City of Lodi with OUR money as Our employees.

  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 10:24 am on Tue, Nov 16, 2010.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    mark armstrong posted at 8:21 am...
    Mark... Great post... very refreshing to look at things your way.

  • Josh Morgan posted at 10:13 am on Tue, Nov 16, 2010.

    Josh Morgan Posts: 542

    I don't get it. Do you want the City to turn down an offer on the "chance" that Lodi may have a home game? Do you want Lodi High to commit funds to a date where a game may not be played? I'm with Mark.....a lot of good things come from playing the game on Thursday night. Let's go Lodi!

  • Ken Rhoads posted at 10:12 am on Tue, Nov 16, 2010.

    Ken Rhoads Posts: 17

    For you Lodi High players and coaches. All of this @%$ is just another attempt to distract you and bring you to your knees. Focus, Beleive it, Finish IT!!! This is your time, your season, your TEAM. You are dangerous and feared. None of the other stuff mean a hill of beans. What matters is you belive in each other, you support each other and you play like the champions you are!!! We BELIEVE IT, but you all KNOW IT!!! Finish it!!!

  • Tim Edsell posted at 9:58 am on Tue, Nov 16, 2010.

    Tim Edsell Posts: 7

    All year long they played out of town. Their home field redone but still it was down. Every game on the road was their way. With confidence and focus they traveled to play. When the regular season ended they were 7-3. A playoff they qualified to be. At last the famed Grape Bowl was ready to play. The team was a lower seed so the was away. They beat their foe on their own field. Finally a home game in the playoffs was sealed. The City of Lodi said it is moot, that date is taken, you get the boot. The team will play Thursday for it's first home game, hope thousands show up even though the city is lame. Go LODI HIGH FOOTBALL!!!!

  • Ken Rhoads posted at 9:53 am on Tue, Nov 16, 2010.

    Ken Rhoads Posts: 17

    Banas and Milholm nice article. I believe it clears alot of the Section this, City this, School that finger pointing.
    I have never been one to be politically correct, so why start now. As for the school and the city, no kudos for getting the kids the Grape Bowl on Thursday night, THAT IS YOUR JOB!!! I will quote a coach I used to coach with when I say, "Believe It!!!" If a few of you at the City and the school would have, we would be playing Friday night at the Grape Bowl. Rodum and Reese, I don't blame you for scheduling Brookside Christian, because I know it is all about the money and not the kids of OUR community. Your job is to schedule the Grape Bowl to all takers and earn revenue.
    Parents and Lodi Sports Fans, please understand, until YOUR School District Administrators change their attitude toward athletics at Lodi and Tokay High School you will be at the mercy of YOUR City officials. I say YOUR, because it is your money they are being paid and your money they are spending. I have history with both as the former President of a Youth Football and Cheer Organization. I have been personally told by a school official and former Superintendent that there will never be on campus Stadiums as long as THEY are in charge. I was also told by the same individuals that what we do at one school we have to do at the others. Well, McNair and Bear Creek have on Campus Stadiums so get to work!!! WE DO NOT have to put up with there lies and smoking mirrors anymore! The young people at Lodi and Tokay are important too!!! Let the Princess in Prada at the district office and the new Major know that the status quo is over and you are watching their every move. IT IS YOUR CITY AND YOUR MONEY.

  • Tom Carlson posted at 9:36 am on Tue, Nov 16, 2010.

    Tom Carlson Posts: 69

    Mark, all that is cool. What time is the tailgate? How much?

    But... sorry for the negativity, My son says he has 3 tests Friday because of the week off for thanksgiving and furlough week for the teachers. I am sure a lot of students will be in the same boat.

    I hope we can set a record for attendance. We will need the student body to participate for that to happen.

    Lodi High teachers should make Friday a "no-test" day and the administration should make the dress code pajamas for Friday. Let the kids sleep in class who bring in a ticket from the game.

  • posted at 9:12 am on Tue, Nov 16, 2010.


    Mark rocks! Negativity is demoralizing and draining. Stop it. As I have said in previous posts...
    Some people would complain if they were hung with a new rope.

  • mark armstrong posted at 9:03 am on Tue, Nov 16, 2010.

    mark armstrong Posts: 18

    7pm.........lets set an attendance record in the first game ever

  • Jason Tessaro posted at 8:58 am on Tue, Nov 16, 2010.

    Jason Tessaro Posts: 2

    Good morning Mark,

    Jus wanted to drop a line to say, "Who doesn't love Mark Armstrong after reading THAT comment!!" (especially reasons #2 and #4)
    LOVE LOVE LOVE the optimism, I wish it was contagious! All the negativity is not gonna fix anything..."NO BAD DAYS!"

    %100 in agreeance,

    The Tessaros

  • Tina Fua posted at 8:48 am on Tue, Nov 16, 2010.

    Tina Fua Posts: 22

    I think Mark Armstrong hit the nail on the head with his posted comment. GO FLAMES!!!!

  • Chris Francisco posted at 8:43 am on Tue, Nov 16, 2010.

    Chris Francisco Posts: 7

    Mark that all makes great sense! .Any place,any time,and any where!!!!! GO LODI

  • Kenny Jones posted at 8:31 am on Tue, Nov 16, 2010.

    Kenny Jones Posts: 1

    Does anyone know what time the game starts?

  • mark armstrong posted at 8:21 am on Tue, Nov 16, 2010.

    mark armstrong Posts: 18

    personally i think its great that everyone worked together to make it happen at the grape bowl....i think it is best for these reasons

    1. it is most likely going to rain on friday and we'll have good weather

    2. we'll win thursday and we can go scout our next opponent on friday.

    3. we'll be the first game at the grapebowl...kind of cool in my opinion

    4. the tailgate is going to be enormous either's bringing the big grill

    5. its a great reason to take friday off!

    it think it's time to concentrate on the important thing now and thats the boys and the coaches and winning this game......go flames......we're all proud of you

  • Tom Carlson posted at 7:23 am on Tue, Nov 16, 2010.

    Tom Carlson Posts: 69

    What a Joke.

    First of all, thank you Erin for securing the home game at the Grape Bowl. Rumor has it you worked your tail off to get this done and you are appreciated for your efforts.

    On the other hand, here we go again with the city beaurocrats blaming someone else for the mess they made. First - it was Lodi High's fault that the project didn't get done on time because of graduations. Now it is Lodi's fault that they did not tell the city that they would need "THEIR HOME FIELD" for a playoff game. What a crock.

    Incompetence still reigns at the city government. You can put all the lipstick on that pig you are trying to sell, but we still ain't kissing it. The city once again hosed the Flames football team. Spin it any way you want, but you could have put a provision in the contract with brookside that the Flames had first priority. You did not do it because you don't give a hoot about those boys.

    No Excuses - not even that sad excuse of a city government we live with.


  • Chris Francisco posted at 7:15 am on Tue, Nov 16, 2010.

    Chris Francisco Posts: 7

    This is horse #@%$ !!! After all the adversity these kids have overcome this season they get the rug pulled out from under their feet one more time! Mr. Rodems did it ever occur to you that Lodi could possibly beat 5th seeded Turlock,and Mc Nair could possibly beat 4th seeded Franklin of EG?? You really screwed this one up ! You ought to be ashamed of yourself.



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