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State report shows steady decline in enrollment for Lodi, Galt school districts

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33 comments:

  • Kim Lee posted at 5:11 pm on Tue, Jul 12, 2011.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    Patrick Maple wrote, "Mr Scott: I take your comment in jest (as I hope was intended).
    Mr Lee: As I do yours."

    Well, good! I would hate to think that you were too serious.

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 7:04 am on Tue, Jul 12, 2011.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    Sorry Mr Chapman...my comment posted after yours...no offense. mr chaney seems to have his drawers in a bunch over something. The adversarial conditions here in Galt (actually I live in the country...I grew up in Woodbridge and graduated from LHS in '69 with Marty) are no different than they are in Lodi or for that matter nation wide.

    Mr Scott: I take your comment in jest (as I hope was intended).
    Mr Lee: As I do yours.
    Mr Chaney: They all had driver licenses.

    Mr Chapman: Good comment!

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 5:51 am on Tue, Jul 12, 2011.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    Typical...

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 5:46 am on Tue, Jul 12, 2011.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    Mr. Chaney, the post regarding the laws concerning illegal entry to the United States was directly from the FEDERAL handbook for ICE agents. So now I suppose the SACBEE has jurisdiction over a Federal agency? Mr. Baxter was right, you wouldn't believe water was wet, even if you were thrown into a swimming pool. And YOU know all the "adversaries" that Mr. Maple has in Galt? Looks like you make adversaries daily on this post thread.

     
  • Josh Morgan posted at 11:11 pm on Mon, Jul 11, 2011.

    Josh Morgan Posts: 533

    Doug, may I suggest that you don't post anything after about 6:00 pm. It seems anything you post after that time is completely off topic and rambles with the same old cut and paste comments you make over and over again.

     
  • Doug Chaney posted at 10:10 pm on Mon, Jul 11, 2011.

    Doug Chaney Posts: 1232

    Mr. Maple, is that great work ethic and reputation of yours that created so many adverseries against you in Galt? And would you be brazen enough to admit that you checked each and every one of your employees throughout the years to ensure that they had proper documentation and an SS# that belonged to them? And, Mr. Chapman, I suggest you read the Sacbee from 2 weeks ago. Being an ilegal person in America is a cuvil crime. Why do you think the authorities don't ask for proof of citizenship? And not even when a felony crime is committed? You are so naive it's unbelievable. I'll bet you subscribe to the Lodi Enquirer or read it online along with your fix of Faux news and Keeith Olberman? And baxter, who are you, a Sentinel stoolie? With your negative attitude and deceitful blog name, you're giving the impression that you're nothing but a nothing. Who'd even want to work for a liar like you? And Mr. Jackson, are you threatening me or trying to scare me? So you think all people are always what they are rumored to be? I'm not dissing Mr. Maple, merely bringing up some points that need to be addressed to you old coots that don't seem to have a lick of common sense and just wander along aimlessly with the sheepherd.

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 5:47 pm on Mon, Jul 11, 2011.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    Jackson Scott wrote, "If Doug really knew anything about the Maple family he should be looking over his shoulder the next week or two."

    LOL! Oh, brother.

     
  • Jackson Scott posted at 4:44 pm on Mon, Jul 11, 2011.

    Jackson Scott Posts: 386

    WOW, a guy goes a way for a weekend and look what I missed!

    I always wondered how long it would take for Doug to call Pat Maple a GOB. If Doug really knew anything about the Maple family he should be looking over his shoulder the next week or two.

    Now, with regards to the story. Sure a few North Stockton schools have seen big drops, but so have schools in Lodi. Parents have lost jobs, homes foreclosed, etc. Kids are moving from say Larson or Borchardt to maybe Nichols or Washington.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 4:19 pm on Mon, Jul 11, 2011.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1849

    Mr. Maple, you should be ashamed of yourself using Obama's famous quote without giving him credit.

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 3:45 pm on Mon, Jul 11, 2011.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    What??? FACTS??? We don' need no stinking FACTS!!!

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 11:22 am on Mon, Jul 11, 2011.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1849

    Mr. Chapman, are you trying to confuse liberal posters with facts? They are like little kids who stick their fingers in their ears and hum loudly because they don't want to hear the facts. Save your energy, regardless of what evidence you present, they will not accept anything except their own liberal viewpoints.

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 11:00 am on Mon, Jul 11, 2011.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    D and B: Both good points. My knowledge is based on the fact that I am often the one asked to fix the shoddy work done by many of these people because the company that originally did the work are no longer around. Darrell on the other hand if we were not buying the food... At least here many of the poorer workers are already subsidized and often scam the system.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 10:37 am on Mon, Jul 11, 2011.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    Excuse the double post, computer showed first one didn't go through.

    Apparently one of our posters was mistaken about the crime of illegal entry to the United States. A FEDERAL CRIME is a far cry from a civil crime.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 10:20 am on Mon, Jul 11, 2011.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    Under Title 8 Section 1325 of the U.S. Code, "Improper Entry by Alien," any citizen of any country other than the United States who:
    1. Enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers; or

    2. Eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers; or

    3. Attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact;
    has committed a federal crime.

    Violations are punishable by criminal fines and imprisonment for up to six months. Repeat offenses can bring up to two years in prison. Additional civil fines may be imposed at the discretion of immigration judges, but civil fines do not negate the criminal sanctions or nature of the offense.


     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 10:20 am on Mon, Jul 11, 2011.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    Under Title 8 Section 1325 of the U.S. Code, "Improper Entry by Alien," any citizen of any country other than the United States who:
    1. Enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers; or

    2. Eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers; or

    3. Attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact;
    has committed a federal crime.

    Violations are punishable by criminal fines and imprisonment for up to six months. Repeat offenses can bring up to two years in prison. Additional civil fines may be imposed at the discretion of immigration judges, but civil fines do not negate the criminal sanctions or nature of the offense.


     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 9:50 am on Mon, Jul 11, 2011.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1849

    DARRELL, I once had a marginal employee who stated "if I got paid more, I would work harder". My response to him was that he wouldn't work any harder, he would just be a higher paid marginal employee. People with good work ethics work hard for the pay they agreed to accept at the the time of employment. People with bad work ethics won't work any better, regardless of how much more you pay them.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:42 am on Mon, Jul 11, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    To continue with this thought...we are supporting the system has forces people to work for 4-6 dollars a day...
    These people cannot afford to have hot water to take a shower... these people to do have inside toilets but just a porcelain squatting hole in the ground... these people to not have supermarkets to buy their food; they kill their own food or grow it. They do not have medical care or social security so when they get older they fend for themselves. Many live a hard life in their older years and become a burden on their family where we in this country live a life of luxury in comparison... This is why I become so irritated when I see so many Americans not appreciate what we do have.
    They do all this, work their tails off and we reap the benefits of their labor... They work hard thinking that someday it will pay off. It is an illusion.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:27 am on Mon, Jul 11, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Pat stated...what I learned from my father who was in business for over 50 years is that cheap labor means a cheap job which in the long run doesn't hold up and you will end up paying for it eventually

    Pat...I agree with so many things that you state, but I have a different perspective on this one... I do not generally see a correlation between wage paid and quality of work. I know from an ethical perspective, it is a good thing for an employer to treat employees fairly. I think people who have a good heart and want to do what is right, will do good work regardless of pay. I have seen many people over the years work harder and produce better quality service than higher paid employees that were only in it for the money. I think a person's heart and character has more to do with the quality of the work than does money.
    What I do agree with is your ethics, which is to treat employees with respect and fairness because that is what you see as the right thing to do...

    As far as who is or is not participating in paying an unfair wage, all people including Mr Chaney does it. Every time we buy a product that was made in China, India, or Thailand, we are supporting the system has forces people to work for 4-6 dollars a day. This makes it possible for each of us to buy clothing and other products much less expensive than we could possibly do if it were manufactured in America. I personally worked in construction in Thailand where men worked hard 10 hours per day, did professional work (quality) and earned less than $100.00 for the week. These workers wanted to perform well even though they got paid a low wage.

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 8:34 am on Mon, Jul 11, 2011.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    mr chaney: I have never paid and will never pay a person who works for me minimum wage...ever. You don't stay in business for over 30 years paying minimum wage...because what I learned from my father who was in business for over 50 years is that cheap labor means a cheap job which in the long run doesn't hold up and you will end up paying for it eventually. There is only one letter diffent in cheaper and cheater...which is what some of my competitors who are no longer in business ascribed to.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 8:18 am on Mon, Jul 11, 2011.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1849

    PAT MAPLE, dang, I didn't know you guys had "good old boys" in Galt too I have always wondered why people constantly gripe about the town they live in and don't move. Last I heard there are no restrictions about relocating anywhere you want in America.

     
  • Charles Nelson posted at 11:07 pm on Sun, Jul 10, 2011.

    Charles Nelson Posts: 259

    Oohhh, Doug, #1 sentence. Even early for you!

     
  • Doug Chaney posted at 9:47 pm on Sun, Jul 10, 2011.

    Doug Chaney Posts: 1232

    Maple, like you and your Galt good ol' boys haven't taken advantage of their cheap labor? Rumors abound a dime a dozen and knowing many local contractors and craftsmen, homeowners, etc., I wouldn't discount your past or present businesses from thosr using undocumented workers. Just because you good ol' boys haven't been caught, doesn't mean you haven't stuffed your pockets with low wage workers or paid cash under the table to avoid paying taxes, withholding and benefits. The non-union construction industry, minimum wageemployers, low wage employers and agriculture have employed them in droves to line their pockets and now point the finger at those same undocumented workers as if it's all their fault. They wouldn't be employed if they weren't knowingly hired by the above named interests. You are the culprits for hiring someone that you don't dare e-verify or pay under the table or use a labor contractor. It should be the employers' responsibility to insure that every worker is on payroll and has legal documents and a SS# with their own name and info on it, not someone else's. You are the ones that should be in jail for tax fraud.

     
  • Doug Chaney posted at 9:32 pm on Sun, Jul 10, 2011.

    Doug Chaney Posts: 1232

    This website was changed to keep cowardly people like baxter from continually adding racist and smart alec remarks and bragging about being a good old boy yhtat carries a concealed weapon. You two other old coots must like the fact that some coward who hodes behind his mommy's skirt is allowed to stalk and intimidate and make his racist remarks could even be baxter in his second or third childhood. If you don't like what I say, don't read my blogs. Who are you baxter? Did you know that being here illegally isn't a criminal offense, but a civil offense? C'mon you racist old Lodi fools, continue on with your hate.

     
  • Richard Turner posted at 7:02 pm on Sun, Jul 10, 2011.

    Richard Turner Posts: 80

    We can all agree ...something needs to be done. It is hard to teach my children to love all people, while they too see what is going on around them!! The school system seems to only care about loosing funding, but at the same time they complain about overcrowded classrooms. A country is only a country by defining and protecting its border!! America is a melting pot . All people are welcome if they come here legally. When people come here illegally and everything is given to them they don't have the same mindset as those who who have struggled to become true Americans !! You cannot steal a car and then demand it be yours just because everyone around you has one!! You cannot steal the American dream it has to be earned honestly!! Ask me for fruit off my tree and I will give unconditionally ...steal my fruit and I will fight to protect what is mine .

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 4:59 pm on Sun, Jul 10, 2011.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1849

    PAT MAPLE, "under the table" workers are not reported as legitimate workers with standard SS, state and federal deductions from their pay. This makes their earnings invisible to all agencies concerned with such revenues. Meanwhile, their families are collecting all sorts of taxpayer funded "freebies". So their "actual" earnings are far above the $5/hr. And we wonder why cities,counties and the state of California is in dire economic straits. Politicians are scared to address this situation for fear of losing votes and their job. Something has to be done to fix this, the sooner, the better.

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 4:27 pm on Sun, Jul 10, 2011.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    No mr chaney...travel through the bay area and you will see many transient workers standing outside every Lowes, Home Depot, McD's and many other places. Why? Because those who live over there take advantage of them by paying them...to mow their lawns, trim their trees and other menial work...UNDER the table for $5.00 per hour! They don't mind letting the rest of us help pay for their families to be here (subsidized living). Minimum wage means they are at least reported as an employee and those benefits are regulated (you should like that).

    Misters T and D : I want people to have the courage of their convictions at least in the way of leadership. Let them speak up all they want but cowards hide behind the women and children and diminish their stance: "Leadership principles are values translated into action. You will not know what your true values are until they are tested under pressure: what is most important to you, what are you prepared to sacrifice, what trade-offs are you willing to make?"

    I do not know Mr Baxter (I like what he writes)...I probably wouldn't know him if he used his real name (if he does not)...I don't really care either...if what he says makes sense, it makes sense. Mr T you will do/be fine...just be yourself...we won't always agree...but who really cares? The people Mr D refers to...liberal character demonizers...really care...they can't stand for someone to have an idea contrary to theirs. Good job all of you. Keep it up.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 3:14 pm on Sun, Jul 10, 2011.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1849

    RICHARD TURNER, you are a very wise man.
    WILLIIAM DAWES, I couldn't have said it better.

     
  • Richard Turner posted at 2:23 pm on Sun, Jul 10, 2011.

    Richard Turner Posts: 80

    If everyone would ignore Mr. Chaneys comments and go on like he was not there then, he might have to make civil reasonable statements to be heard!! I bet he really isn't such a bad guy . I think he gets a kick from getting our dander up!! it is always better to turn the other cheek...this is something that I am struggling to learn myself !! It isn't as easy as it sounds.

     
  • William Dawes posted at 12:09 pm on Sun, Jul 10, 2011.

    William Dawes Posts: 116

    "Doug Chaney posted at 6:44 am on Sun, Jul 10, 2011.
    Doug Chaney Posts: 945

    Why don't you respond using your real name?"

    Who cares what his name is, what are you going to stalk him? Stakeout his house? Follow his children to school? or if you know exactly who he is, you will start the typical liberal "character demonization" of your dissenters?

    Get over what his name is!! Who Cares!! This is a comment section not "Tell Doug all your personal information" section!!

     
  • Doug Chaney posted at 6:44 am on Sun, Jul 10, 2011.

    Doug Chaney Posts: 1232

    baxter, just who are the "transient" workers you refer to? Why don't you respond using your real name? Many of those "transient" workers have gone to Washington, Oregon, Idaho, Montana and other states where they can make at least minimum wage, and not be not taken advantage of by employers for half that here in the Lodi/Stockton area. It's pretty bad when those "transient workers" are dumping on Lodi, huh? The good ol' boys are having a hard time filling their many slum properties, too, aren't they?

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 12:14 pm on Sat, Jul 9, 2011.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    You are correct Joe.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 11:09 am on Sat, Jul 9, 2011.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1849

    I highly suspect that a lot of students not enrolling were children of transient workers who have no jobs in these districts. So, they moved elsewhere and took their kids with them.

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 9:54 am on Sat, Jul 9, 2011.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    Well...there should be a lot of sand spitting going on in Lodi and Galt. All of this was visible years ago. When the state lowered its requirement for schools to maintain a 5% reserve to 3% and then 1%...the writing was on the wall. It was written in all 259 languages and dialects..."the state has no money" because we ran everyone and every job out of the state with regulations, taxes, fees, licenses, permits, more regulations, more regulations, more taxes. programs, more welfare and more and more and more. Then, the feds fled as well. How you liking the changey thing now?

     
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