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Gangs in Lodi: Fighting back

Experts, citizens say outreach, police presence and parental involvement key at the local level

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Posted: Saturday, May 8, 2010 12:00 am

What is to be done about Lodi's gang problem?

Rising gang troubles aren't restricted to Lodi alone, and police throughout California's Central Valley report more gang activity. Many blame it on prison crowding, which leads to earlier releases of gang members whose affiliations only intensified while behind bars.

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69 comments:

  • posted at 4:36 am on Wed, May 12, 2010.

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    Gangs are for suckas.!!!

     
  • posted at 3:46 am on Wed, May 12, 2010.

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    We need to form our own gang and take em out!!! WHO'S WITH ME!!!!!!!!!!

     
  • posted at 5:46 am on Mon, May 10, 2010.

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    I see the PC Police removed my offer of a size 13 where it would do the most Good, how quaint!! But they let a moron who post under many handles spew his venom about Alcohol, drug use and Racism unabated. I have asuggestion for the PC Police, If a person post under numerous names on thesame ISP# then ban them for a sixty day period, do it again they are gonefor good…

     
  • posted at 3:36 pm on Sun, May 9, 2010.

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    not sure if this will count just throwing it out there but Reservoir Dogs practically every one dies except Mr. Pink yet we are unsure of his fate.Recently the Departed, every lead character dies except for the supporting cast.

     
  • posted at 3:26 pm on Sun, May 9, 2010.

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    Again, I thought I would take the day off from all the negative comments, and there were plenty. But I had to respond to Gator`s comment about a size 13 shoe, and will put that in my memory to be used at a later date. I still find it hard to believe that anyone can bear hand 500,Kv, but they do. Great post Gator.

     
  • posted at 2:37 pm on Sun, May 9, 2010.

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    I’ll see your God Father and raise you the Goodfellas..98% of the mobsters Die.. And there are a lot of Cement overcoats around New York and New Jersey…Good exchange rich…

     
  • posted at 2:16 pm on Sun, May 9, 2010.

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    Oh and just too add to the point in which Gator was trying to make, a large amount of gang members and ethnic gang members often note or are huge fans of The Godfather, which is often portrayed through hip hop music videos, and Scar Face, both movies that seem to empower an individual who is feared. You should watch the movie "Tough Guise" it speaks about the violence behind the image of masculinity.

     
  • posted at 2:11 pm on Sun, May 9, 2010.

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    I had the fortune to work for 2 Fortune 500 companies. Even though I was a High Schooldrop out (Thought school was a waste) one company 33 years and left making 59,000.00next 11 years and left making 44,000.00.Along the way I worked for a Manager who retired from the Navy as a 2 star admiral, he was of Mexican decent. In both CompaniesThere were many people from lineman to first line supervisors and Managers from the 21st. Floor who are of Latin heritage I know of a couple of F-18 super hornet Pilots whoare the same , the same goes for a bunch of Navy seals. I know 2 Indy 500 winner’sJuan Pablo Montoya and Helio Castroneves Both are from south America but bothhave Latin blood running through their bodies. My point? If you want it you can do itno matter who you are. If it doesn’t happen you didn’t want it bad enough.. And how about Jaime Escalante and all that he accomplished. As a Marine DI said there are noexcuses baby boy!!

     
  • posted at 1:59 pm on Sun, May 9, 2010.

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    Richyorn, I think everyone knows there's not a racist bone in master gator's body, don't they? He even respects the Sweds and "tio tacos" through his freedom of expression.

     
  • posted at 1:56 pm on Sun, May 9, 2010.

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    post whatever you wish, i will no longer respond to you but simply place my own opinion in these blogs.though you seem to get your "arguments" from other bloggers here (duck duck goose)though i don't see why one would choose such an Elmer Fudd aproach to such topics. oh, and Happy mothers day to all.

     
  • posted at 1:56 pm on Sun, May 9, 2010.

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    edumacation, you never fail to amuse me with your twisted thinking,read my very first post on this blog, i mention nothing of race, it is then you who in response to my post brings in the race card, though i do not see why all the negativity towards me, maybe i strike a nerve in you, who knows.Often people are threatened by which they don't understand, and your comprehension seems....well we'll leave it at that. but any ways back to the point.I clearly suggest simple solutions for gang problems, it is then you who instigates and brings race into it then again try to turn it around and claim that i am bringing race into things,it's like talking to a child, even if you caught them doing it, they'll lie to the point where they believe that they're right.

     
  • posted at 1:42 pm on Sun, May 9, 2010.

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    there

     
  • posted at 1:42 pm on Sun, May 9, 2010.

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    richyorn- Re: Alois Schicklgruber. He failed to understand Natural Selection. N.S. is a very slow process, and once you delete the trait in a population down to ~5%, it is extremely difficult to continue since their are so few organisms with the trait that you must identify. N.S. is not the only solution, but can help future generations as long as other methods are used.You now start confusing the people of Mexico ie Mexicans, with people who are hiding from Mexico. I have many dear Mexican friends who feel stronger about the squatters. They see the damage to their country every day. Murder, gangs and a potential rebellion of the government of Mexico against these criminals. Please don't pull the race card, because the squatters are from many (over 60) different subcultures including some Europeans. I am not anti-Amerindian. We have our own Amerindians and they don't honor gangs, murder, dope and guns like our multicultural squatters sneaking in from Mexico.

     
  • posted at 12:15 pm on Sun, May 9, 2010.

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    “NO!!” Mexican’s Bingo.. Factoid 47%Of California street gangs are Mexican.. Now then where is the Racism in this post. Fact’s are facts… " Not disregarding this at all gator, but there are many factors that play a role in how teens view themselves or join gangs.I am not making excuses for them but it is a wider problem that simply their ethnic background.however questions are never made about the system but rather the minority who are mostly affected.

     
  • posted at 12:08 pm on Sun, May 9, 2010.

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    Also i would like to note your "originality" for the use of the duck metaphor. though I'm sure i have heard that before.though ironically, give or a take a few idiotic ideals (sterilization), we tend to agree that something needs to be done with such issues involving gangs and illegal immigrants.How ever the struggle arises when your mouth begins to spew comments that are simply twisted versions of statistics, yet when other statistics are given, they are pushed to the side because the "true" issue is Mexicans. Yes i acknowledge that just below half of gangs are Hispanic, but that doesn't make them the only half.It is still an issue of poverty, take a simple sociology course to find that out. I clearly made a remark stating that it is the way they view themselves in society, yet it is pointed out their ethnic background, which in retrospect, just because an individual is Mexican doesn't mean that they are hard wired to be in a gang or drug smuggler.There is a reason there are gangs stretched out across the states and not solely of Mexican Origin

     
  • posted at 12:00 pm on Sun, May 9, 2010.

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    edumacation wrote on May 8, 2010 9:48 PM:" This is one reason why I think that mandatory abortion and sterilization might help put(put?) society. It might take a few hundred years, but discouraging or reducing the reproduction rate of some humans might aid humanity of the future. It will do nothing over the short term but make a few of us smile.It is ironic that the reproduction rate of the lowest intelligent and barely able is 8 times the rate for intelligent folks.There are many sub populations of humans that we no longer need in the human gene pool. Of course this will take many many years for us to measure."Anyone who sees and paints a sky green and fields blue ought to be sterilized."-Adolf Hitleras you can see anyone can compare quote to quote. edumacation.Also i loved the jab towards my use of illumination as opposed to elimination.though in the very same sentence you said "The words was somehow picked up in another blog."

     
  • posted at 11:50 am on Sun, May 9, 2010.

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    Well here we go again!! Gangs especially now days are glorified on TV, the Movies and worst of all Video Games. One of the first movies to do this waswest Side Story…Let me be very blunt, Life is about choices. You make theright one, get a very good education and have the drive and ambition to succeed 99% of the time you will. Make the wrong choice as in being lazy or think your too cool for school or the life as a gang banger is just fine with you, well friend welcome to the world of minimum wage, welfare or a pinebox 6 feet under.. There is no excuse to be a gang banger, don’t play the raceCard.. To many people of all colors have made a fortune in America and oneWho plays the card shames the ones who tried and made it. As for the southern boarder who crosses in droves?? Swedes, Germans, Norwegians’ Cubans, Canadians or Hawaiians ?? “NO!!” Mexican’s Bingo.. Factoid 47%Of California street gangs are Mexican.. Now then where is the Racism in this post. Fact’s are facts…

     
  • posted at 10:09 am on Sun, May 9, 2010.

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    richyorn- And your sociology can be stated thusly~ "...from each according to his/her/its abilities, and to each according to his/her/its needs.." Thats an Obama quote when he/she/it (don't know--I haven't seen its birth certificate) was at Occidental.Thanks for illuminating "elimination" via mandatory sterilization. The words was somehow picked up in another blog. No apology here- Stuff happens.FYI- I never suggested support for any political theory/party/candidate, and I can safely generalize that if I see a what looks like a duck, and watch it walk like a duck, waddle like a duck, smell like a duck, and talk like a duck. I can say with some certainty that it has been to "duck school" or is a duck. Take your pick duck school - libtard edumacation, or you are a duck.Quack quack! In either case, my libtard meter says It's a DUCK!

     
  • posted at 9:14 am on Sun, May 9, 2010.

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    with all that being said this is a problem with street gangs and any sort of thug, not a single ethnicity or the origin of an individuals ethnic background. those that are legal are American Citizens, and that has nothing to do with the corrupt government or any other gang problem in another country.This is an American issue of violence over all, and groups of people who live below poverty level who view themselves as mighty individuals when they are in gangs. It's not genetic, it's pure sociology.

     
  • posted at 8:58 am on Sun, May 9, 2010.

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    *eliminated not "illuminated"

     
  • posted at 8:55 am on Sun, May 9, 2010.

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    i'm just astonished, it's not like you even have to remember what you said, you can simply scroll down and read it.I would applaued your attempt to turn this around into a "you libs use race" though my standing has never been stated.do i even support political parties? you possibly don't even know that. but again you failed miserably, which usually i would say "A" for effort but even that would be generous.

     
  • posted at 8:55 am on Sun, May 9, 2010.

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    but clearly race is not an issue for you. You are blind to all that so by all means i apologize for ever thinking otherwise.Maybe if you thought before you spoke, then you'd have an actual understanding of what you said prior to your next post. Clearing up any sort of misunderstanding.And last, you neither mentioned our city or even our state in general in fact you mentioned the US in general when you said"Aren't they wonderful? And the US liberals like this stuff! Its the only way they can be "above" someone else...so they pick losers to subjugate. ""so in retrospect your posts were exclusive to ethnicity and open ended when it came to location.

     
  • posted at 8:47 am on Sun, May 9, 2010.

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    edumacation wrote on May 8, 2010 10:14 PM:"Mexico is trying to eliminate their social and cultural problems by exporting them to the USA. Unfortunately for them, our criminal aliens have been going back to Mexico to cross polinate with the rest of them. The result is a super breed of gang-doper morons who love to kill others. "...My city murdered more than your city--I must be more macho?.."Aren't they wonderful? And the US liberals like this stuff! Its the only way they can be "above" someone else...so they pick losers to subjugate. "you must be joking edumacation,Clearly you didn't simply imply that "morons" should be illuminated, you isolated Mexicans.I'm beginning to think that you don't even know what you have written, do you even know what you're saying?chances are no.here's another good one edumacation wrote on May 9, 2010 12:43 AM:" Many of our border brothers and sistas don't know how to do anything else but spray paint, shoot, stab, steal and reproduce. "

     
  • posted at 4:17 am on Sun, May 9, 2010.

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    A little bit of Tough Love goes a long way with kids. You're a parent first and a friend second.

     
  • posted at 7:43 pm on Sat, May 8, 2010.

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    richyorn- How did we get from Lodi to the whole USA? The percentage of criminal aliens of all origins is very small, but the incidence of them as convicted offenders is off the chart. I never said that we shouldn't also try a little eugenics with other groups. I believe in equal opportunity to delete morons. You must be a liberal because guess what? You brought up the subject of race. It was not in the article, and I never brought it up. As soon as there is any disagreement, libs are compelled to make up their own race conflicts. I never said to exclude non-gang bangers. The skinheads, peckerwoods and other dummies are usually so stupid they can't reproduce. Many of our border brothers and sistas don't know how to do anything else but spray paint, shoot, stab, steal and reproduce.

     
  • posted at 5:32 pm on Sat, May 8, 2010.

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    so now gang banging is hard wired into Mexican children as well as doing drugs?again stats on our Nation show that a majority of those committing homicide are Whites and Blacks,out of 16277 homicides in 20085,334 were white, 5,943 were black, 273 were other, and 4727 were unknown. i swear, if you are not the most ignorant uneducated individual i have ever met, then just maybe we should dictate who should breed and who shouldn't. you're dropping the ball edumacation,

     
  • posted at 5:14 pm on Sat, May 8, 2010.

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    richyorn. The reprpoductive barrier can be caused by anything. I was worried that the gangbangers would start reproducing BEFORE the physical trials. I guess we could start them in the basic training camps before puberty? I am looking for zero defectives. In a way, on a very large scale, Mexico is trying to eliminate their social and cultural problems by exporting them to the USA. Unfortunately for them, our criminal aliens have been going back to Mexico to cross polinate with the rest of them. The result is a super breed of gang-doper morons who love to kill others. Ciudad Juarez has over 850 murders so far in 2010 and are trying to beat the 3,000 murder record for last year. "...My city murdered more than your city--I must be more macho?.."Aren't they wonderful? And the US liberals like this stuff! Its the only way they can be "above" someone else...so they pick losers to subjugate.

     
  • posted at 5:11 pm on Sat, May 8, 2010.

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    edumacation, you are so very insightful.i love the explanation by the way, came off real classy on your part.again never a disappointment, always a laugh.

     
  • posted at 5:04 pm on Sat, May 8, 2010.

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    richyorn- Ex-Governor Jerry "Moonbeam" Brown supported sterilization of fruit flies and saved us tens of millions in damage to Agribusiness. Like the drosophila, human genetic defectives would have every enjoyment but NO more bambinos for us to pay for. Plus they would never have to worry about birth control or making kids do their homework, or worry about kids in gangs. Oops, they don't worry about this now!

     
  • posted at 5:02 pm on Sat, May 8, 2010.

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    well only the fit would survive the training would they not?and technically it would not be natural selection considering that it would be man made obstacles and task that would be the doom of those who could not keep up.i'd expect you to know that edumacation.you are just one for conflict aren't you, i was somewhat agreeing with you for once.well i say tomato...and so on and so fourth,On the topic of mandatory abortion and sterilization.....well....on one hand it could stop a lot of what seem to be drunken late night idiotic posts....but on the other hand, reading them are a great source of entertainment for me, so carry on.

     
  • posted at 5:02 pm on Sat, May 8, 2010.

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    Real simple, current tech, low cost solution to the gang problem. Every one of the thugs we pick up get "tagged with an ankle bracelet. That bracelet reports their location 24/7. Now, if you were a higher up in a gang involved with everything from petty crimes to drugs and gun running, would you want someone with you who was sending signals to the police as to where you were? In a crime is committed then a scan of where the chips were at the time of the crime could place the thugs at the scene.Also, a secondary signal would set of store security every time they came in the store knew who to keep an eye on.

     
  • posted at 4:48 pm on Sat, May 8, 2010.

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    richyorn- I never said survival of the fittest- You did. Are you a Social Darwinist? I am not. Survival of the fittest is an innacurate description. I prefer to use the term Natural Selection. This is one reason why I think that mandatory abortion and sterilization might help put society. It might take a few hundred years, but discouraging or reducing the reproduction rate of some humans might aid humanity of the future. It will do nothing over the short term but make a few of us smile.It is ironic that the reproduction rate of the lowest intelligent and barely able is 8 times the rate for intelligent folks.There are many sub populations of humans that we no longer need in the human gene pool. Of course this will take many many years for us to measure.Morons, please stop reproducing!

     
  • posted at 4:05 pm on Sat, May 8, 2010.

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    Jaysam, do you remember the article in the Lodi News-Sentinel on the front page October 24, 2008? Headline said: "GOING TO TAKE A COMMUNITY"? It was the first gang forum in Lodi at the police station in the community room. I was in attendance that day and the number of interested attendees was very few. Most were the parents, friends or relatives of gang members who wanted to get involved. Needless to say, the gang intervention program was naively set aside by Lodi officials, including LPD because there was no funding and no interest, more than anything.

     
  • posted at 3:07 pm on Sat, May 8, 2010.

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    Another point many of you have brought up is to "sentence" them to military time. Over the past 20 years, the military has been "infiltrated" by gangs - so much so - that nearly half of the military are now gang members. They use the military to recruit wherever they are stationed. There are many articles on this.....do some research. So if you think sending them over to Iraq is "punishment", it's not, it would be the same as locking them up, they just join ranks and grow in numbers.

     
  • posted at 3:02 pm on Sat, May 8, 2010.

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    While many of you have plenty to say about the gang problem - I really don't hear any solutions other than "lock them up" or "throw money at it". I agree that Lodi is boring - it was boring when we HAD CalSkate and the bowling alley - just two more locations teens hung out in the parking lot up to no good. The problem with this town is 1) the LPD and LNS de-emphasize what actually goes on in this town, which keeps real estate pricey and the GOBs happy, 2) BECKMAN??? Are you kidding me? Try implementing the GREAT program at the third grade level in Reese, LMS, and all other schools on the Eastside, and 3)Provide outreach to the parents. If the parents are banging, the kids are already members - it's a lost cause. The parents that aren't - they need to be educated and empowered so they can do the same for their children to prevent them from being gang members. Kids don't realize there ain't no homey gonna have your back or take the fall when it's 1st degree murder.

     
  • posted at 2:37 pm on Sat, May 8, 2010.

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    make them channel that aggression, or is it being said that DI's can't break these individuals?

     
  • posted at 2:36 pm on Sat, May 8, 2010.

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    reverting back to survival of the fittest eh edumacation? Now while i wouldn't quiet take it that far, you'd be surprised by the amount of individuals with criminal records have been accepted into the army do to the need for soldiers "According to a story in the Army Times, one out of eight new Army recruits require a waiver to enlist, a rate which is more than double what it was during Fiscal Year 2004. In 2004, 4,6 percent required a moral waiver for criminal history or other past misconduct. During last fiscal year, the rate had jumped to 11 percent. So far, during Fiscal Year 2008, which began on Oct. 1, 13 percent of new recruits have required a moral waiver.According to the article, most waivers involve misdemeanors. The Army has granted 4,676 conduct waivers among the 36,047 recruited from October through late February."here's the link there's further info for recruiting stats at the website http://usmilitary.about.com/b/2008/04/07/one-in-eight-army-recruits-require-moral-waiver.htm

     
  • posted at 2:21 pm on Sat, May 8, 2010.

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    I believe our prisons are too comfortable. Prisoners have it too good in jail. Warm in winter, cool in summer, clean cloths and sheets, cable tv, gym, library, very good food three times a day, hanging with friends all day. Heck, prison is probably an upgrade for most gang members.I believe sheriff Joe Arpio has it right. Cloth these clowns in pink and make jail as unpleasant and uncomfortable experience and no early release. Until courts and prisons change gang members win.

     
  • posted at 2:18 pm on Sat, May 8, 2010.

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    richyorn- So you think that a military Drill instructor can turn these pukes into humans? Only if we give them the tools they had before political correctness! Send them on a 30 mile run with a 100 pound pack through the desert. The whiners and babies would die or give up after the first few miles. Leave them out for a few weeks and let the survivors live for the next challenge. One by one they would die or pass. This kind of filter would give them appropriate attitude adjustments. If not, they could take the easy way out with death. No DI wants these panties around the knees babies.

     
  • posted at 2:05 pm on Sat, May 8, 2010.

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    this is a tough situation to approach. Considering that possibly the number one solution is for jail time, yet this would simply strengthen their roles in the gang they are affiliated with. The military is actually a near close solution though.See the problem lies with how the gang members are socially defined or define themselves, In a gang they feel important and a part of something that should be feared.In prison they are seen as convicts which heats the fire to them feeling empowered but in a negative way. In school they are usually struggling and seen as failures, at home a majority of the time they come from poverty and a single parent household, So they view themselves as alone(cue gangs)So in retrospect if you re-socialize them, but in a positive fashion or one that gives them a feeling of worth, then just maybe we could have a solution.The only one i can think of is the military, or other forms of national guard or public service. This would have not only a positive impact on the Country but as well as giving a feeling of worth.

     
  • posted at 1:23 pm on Sat, May 8, 2010.

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    dyan, under Saddam, Franco, and Mao those dictators kept a tight lid on their countries. They also had a 2 AM club that unannounced and uninvited made surprised visits and the resident was never heard of again. It might be a means to an end, but no matter how bad things are in this country, we do have rights, though I don`t know for how long.

     
  • posted at 12:30 pm on Sat, May 8, 2010.

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    liforiley wrote on May 8, 2010 12:04 PM:" I wonder if any city has solved the Mexican street gang problem in California?The City of Lodi could take civil or criminal action against slumlords who rent to these trouble makers for a fast buck. The decent law abiding citizens living on the East side deserve better than having to live in the same neighborhood as these thugs. How many families harboring gang members are receiving housing substities? What a great post liforiley. Sadly, the city of Lodi will not go after the landlords for tenants repeatedly requiring police responses due to alleged Gang activities; or for landlords who rent to 10 people in a 1 bedroom apartment.

     
  • posted at 12:23 pm on Sat, May 8, 2010.

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    Tokay Bowling is gone.... Cal Skate is gone...I hear these kids say it all the time ... LODI is boring...there is nothing to do...and with the economy hurting as bad as it is... even playing sports is getting outrageous to afford! I remember back in the day...sports at school kept these kids super busy! Im sure if we brought back these programs...many parents would volunteer their time! But who do we turn to? Who do we ask for help? Its all about money!!

     
  • posted at 11:17 am on Sat, May 8, 2010.

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    I would just note that Crips and Bloods have been killing each other for many decades, and few, if any, are foreign born. Nobody has been able to solve those gang problems either, except an occasional federal probe using the RICO act. Ditto with Asian street gangs, many of which are foreign born.The only effective gang eradication program is a dictatorship or mass action by vigilantes. In the meantime, remove all the left wingers from office that will not allow people to be legally carrying a defensive weapon. This would include sheriffs and police chiefs.

     
  • posted at 9:45 am on Sat, May 8, 2010.

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    Layla- Please tell me how many gabacho gang members are involved in these Lodi gangs. I don't see their names in the paper. Why not? The wannabes don't count.

     
  • posted at 9:42 am on Sat, May 8, 2010.

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    NOTE FROM EDITOR RICH HANNER: EDU, I wrote the headline, not Layla. Not sure I get your point, though. RICH

    LNS "...GANGS OF LODI: How do we attack them? Views from experts and officials in Sat's LNS...."Layla- I don't get it. If I stated the SAME EXACT Twitter conmment (above), I would be called "racist". Because, as we ALL know, gang bangers TELL US that their gangs are based on affiliation with CRIMINAL organizations in prison who represent either A) Nuestra Familia (Nortenos) or B) Mexican Mafia (Surenos).Tell me where my definitions are off. If you like, I can ask one of the ORIGINAL GANGSTERS (Middle aged LODI resident) affiliated with one of these "clubs" to explain it to you. The self-pronounced gangbangers (with tattoos, and prison credentials) can TELL us what is going on, how do you redefine them into some sort of equal opportunity gang with their own affirmative action program? Ask any of them.

     
  • posted at 7:13 am on Sat, May 8, 2010.

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    There is a town of about 100,000 in St. George, UT that has COMPLETELY solved the problem. Each morning, I would read the local paper and glance at the list of people "being held for INS." They started this about 6 years ago and the word is now out that St. George (and surrounding areas) are not friendly if you are there illegally. On the down side, it caused my favorite Mexican restaurant to close. :-(

     
  • posted at 7:12 am on Sat, May 8, 2010.

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    Thomas J - Good Grief.. I agree with you??? Well not quite. The Police have to be involved for the coordination and tactics so they ARE the answer. But a trained & concealed weapon walking his dog is a good idea too. However, until that day - give the Police more money and a mission.

     
  • posted at 7:04 am on Sat, May 8, 2010.

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    I wonder if any city has solved the Mexican street gang problem in California?The City of Lodi could take civil or criminal action against slumlords who rent to these trouble makers for a fast buck. The decent law abiding citizens living on the East side deserve better than having to live in the same neighborhood as these thugs. How many families harboring gang members are receiving housing substities?

     
  • posted at 7:02 am on Sat, May 8, 2010.

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    DYAN...So, lemme get this straight...You are saying Amnerica should become a nation like China, under communist rule, Iraq under a Saddam like regine or like Spain when Franco was in power. Yeah, you have a solution alright. We already have Oba-Mao in the White House. Until the next election, that is.

     
  • posted at 6:05 am on Sat, May 8, 2010.

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    America if finally seeing the light, we have been too tolerant for too long. California has been drowning in illegals for decades, billions have been spent, federal, state and local agencies have turned a blind eye to what has been happening concerning gang activities. Does the term "sanctuary city" ring a bell? Hundred of thousands of gang banga'z have crossed our porous borders and taken up residence here knowing nothing will be done to curtail their violence. Corrupt Mexican officials are handing off their illegals to our corrupt government officials and we just smile and say thank you, then justify it by saying, "they do the work Americans won't". People were shocked when Arizona said enough and tried to stop this insanity but race baiting progressives went into their same tired old bag of hate and vitriol, everyone that disagreed with them were labeled "Nazis", racists, bigots etc. Our "demagogue in chief" waded in by telling illegals in Arizona, "if you don't have your papers and if you took your kid out to get ice cream, you're going to be harassed." How's that for bringing America together, you know, "Hope and Change" type stuff.

     
  • posted at 5:50 am on Sat, May 8, 2010.

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    There's always an excuse when bad boys go bad. Funny, they didn't have "gangs" when Franco in Spain ran things. Mao and Sadam did a pretty good job of keeping that stuff under control too.

     
  • posted at 5:47 am on Sat, May 8, 2010.

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    Most if not all the posts I have read this morning involve guns, knives, or other assorted violence. It has never my intent to harm anyone, however I will not be like a lamb lead to slaughter. The military wouldn`t want anyone that sports gang tatoos or a known gang member, why would they as they would never take instruction or any kind of discipline. Evidently once the gang life style has taken root, very difficult to break away. Sooner or later pressure will come on and make the world a better place to live in, and call me and others gun nuts. He seems to forget it`s a person`s right to protect his family and home, I am not a gun nut and hope the day never comes when I might have to protect myself, however make no mistake, I will.

     
  • posted at 5:14 am on Sat, May 8, 2010.

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    LJoe: I agree, bring back the draft...it doesn't have to lead to the military either. There are plenty of civil service jobs that need to happen. Two years with a two year reserve clause. How about doing things like cleaning up the Gulf Coast or Katrina or now Nashville. Put some of these new graduates to work!!!

     
  • posted at 5:09 am on Sat, May 8, 2010.

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    Starting in June of 1967 my brothers and two cousins began fighting with the Mexican Mafia (not knowing that is who they were). By 1970 they had shot out my family's front windows (there are still chips in the bricks of the fireplace), threathened to kill our sister, destroyed several of our cars, had pulled knives, guns, tire irons and chains on us on many of those occasions. The difference was that we liked to fight. After a three year battle THEY asked for a truce. That is when we found out who they were and why they were after us...they thought we were a rival gang. We weren't we were just a family. Gangs are inherently cowards, families are inherently brave, and is why they often refer to themselves as La Familia or La Raza (not a gang) and other family type names. Bangers aren't interested in golf.

     
  • posted at 4:57 am on Sat, May 8, 2010.

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    It is not the gang members fault that they are shooting people in an effort to kill them. It is just because they have no other activities or don't have anything else to do! The previous statement is just an obsurd excuse to justify these gangster criminals and deny personal accountability. As this world is getting out of control and morals continue to decline, it is now all about excuses for bad conduct. The same thing is going on in our gangster government!

     
  • posted at 4:55 am on Sat, May 8, 2010.

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    I can remember some of the young men I knew that got in trouble, the judge gave them 2 choices. Jail or join the military for a 4 year hitch. At least in the military they got discipline, respect for themselves and others and some kind of training that would benefit them when they got out. Jail or prison for the gang bangers these days is like sending well kids to college. It doesn't rehabilitate them, only improves their banging skills. If they feel the need to shoot someone, make it an enemy of America, not each other.

     
  • posted at 4:40 am on Sat, May 8, 2010.

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    There are good suggestions, but the gang unit at LPD currently has two detectives devoted to gangs and it has been that way since the early 90's. The LPD has taken its share of cuts to help out with the budget constraints, but its time to re-think this and get the LPD back up to staffing. If the staffing were there I'm sure the Chief would increase the unit and devote the officers to making Lodi safe and secure, with the community helping too.

     
  • posted at 4:32 am on Sat, May 8, 2010.

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    t jefferson wrote on May 8, 2010 8:29 AM:The only thing these gangs understand is force and fear. If they thought it was going to end badly they would go somewhere else. Why do you think they are coming to the US, becsaue they know nothing will happen to them."You are 100% right!

     
  • posted at 4:30 am on Sat, May 8, 2010.

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    GaltWally wrote on May 8, 2010 8:31 AM:" GaltWally agrees - PRISON is the answer. AND deport any that are not citizens. Unfortunately, I agree with you.Selling drugs is very lucrative. Being arrested only serves to "Build a rep".... especicially if a gang member can show he is violent.""We need recreation places. Have softball teams, keep them busy."This all sounds so nice, but gang teens intimidate, harass, assault, and ruin activities that a city provides to teens... partly out of resentment "The good boys and girls" have something to do.Annonomous Phone number from a (Pay Phone) regarding Gang drug houses, weapons, and wanted thugs (gives others a chance to help the police and community (Thin out the ranks of gangs with NO RISK to the caller).It takes a community and the police to make a difference. If the neighbors and police worked hard enough on E. Locust Street, there would be NO Gang Problems there, or the Lawrence Park & Hale Park. gang members do NOT want to face the Police.Sooner or later there will be a (HUGE) Gang vs. gang shootout!

     
  • posted at 4:19 am on Sat, May 8, 2010.

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    I don't believe that parental involvement will accomplish anything for (2) important reasons:First, in a number of cases, the "Father figure" is a gang member which encourages the teen to be an active gang member since very little real punishment is ever give,Second, In many more cases, I believe the "Father figure" is NOT in the home, whereby the Teen and his gang buddies can literally scare the hell out of the mother. Or, it can be that, like many (Tug-Of-War battles between parent and child, the mother simply throws up her hands and "Gives up" on her child because she cannot control him.How can a parent in all too many cases compete with all that Gang peers offer a teen"?It is a very very tough problem these gang teens, and I believe for all that its worth that "Without serious punishement as a "Deterrent", teens don't have a real reason to change.Plus the fact that many teens get Gang tattoo's or wear their "Colors", they become a target for opposing gangs.Regardless of what we post pre$$ur$son will call us racists.

     
  • posted at 4:02 am on Sat, May 8, 2010.

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    Gangs should be treated like the terrorists they are. Increase penalties up to the death penalty for verified gang members who commit a crime toward society. They will not stop until they cringe in fear. Immigration is the elephant in the corner of the room nobody wishes to address. Yeah these punks are typically 2nd or 3rd generation, but the odds are they originated in this country through illegal immigration. We need to have fair immigration laws that protect all of our citizens and upholds the law. Illegal immigration has fostered an attitude of "my pappy broke the law, my grandpappy broke the law, I'm going to break the law. Why should I obey the law? Those who ridicule immigration laws ignore the obvious negative cultural impacts such as gangbanger vermin, graffiti, and a 40% higher incidence of felonies and misdemeanors that results from unenforced immigration. These crimes victimize law-abiding hispanics too.

     
  • posted at 3:31 am on Sat, May 8, 2010.

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    GaltWally agrees - PRISON is the answer. AND deport any that are not citizens.

     
  • posted at 3:29 am on Sat, May 8, 2010.

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    I am always amazed at those that thing this is a "Police" problem and they are responsible for solving it. Newsflash, the "Police" aren't responsible for anything. If you doubt me, call up the new chief and flat out ask him. "Are you responsible for my protection?" He has to answer "NO" becasue he legally can not lie to you. There will also be a bunch of BS about trying and 9/11, whatever. In the end you have to take care of yourself. Too bad the progressives in this state do not allow people to defend themselves. The only thing these gangs understand is force and fear. If they thought it was going to end badly they would go somewhere else. Why do you think they are coming to the US, becsaue they know nothing will happen to them.Wake up Sheep...your Shepard is asleep and the wolves are amidst the herd.

     
  • posted at 3:20 am on Sat, May 8, 2010.

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    Street gangs have been an entrenched part of American society for a century. Like vermin, they're not going anywhere; all you can do is poison, trap and kill to keep them in check. They can be squashed, shot or stomped with boots, and the carcasses easily dropped into the trashcan to prevent the spread of disease and odors.Spending more money to rehabilitate is a waste of taxpayer dollars. Instead, build more prisons and fill 'em up.

     
  • posted at 3:19 am on Sat, May 8, 2010.

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    Even communities that have spent huge amounts of money providing activity centers for teens are experiencing growing gang related problems. Everybody thinks that throwing more money at a problem will make things all better. Not so. Parents discipline AND pro-active law enforcement will help more than anything else.

     
  • posted at 3:17 am on Sat, May 8, 2010.

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    Yeah, that's right. Give the gang bangers softball courts, etc. that our budget cannot afford for the descent kids. Reward them for their behavior, help them. LOL. Do you really think they'll use the facilities? Only if there is a shooting range with a rival gang as a target. Get real.

     
  • posted at 2:23 am on Sat, May 8, 2010.

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    just lock them up or kill them. those punks will never be productive part of society.

     
  • posted at 1:43 am on Sat, May 8, 2010.

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    How do you stop them from taking over a neighborhood? That's what they are doing. The Parents are scared, too. The key is in the Police directing the actions. They will need more money. Bangers have no respect for anyone but the Police or Soldiers.

     
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