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Posted: Friday, April 20, 2012 10:39 am | Updated: 7:36 am, Sat Apr 21, 2012.

The Diocese of Stockton is paying $3.75 million to settle a civil sex abuse case involving Father Michael Kelly, who fled to Ireland last week, it was announced Friday.

Also on Friday, the plaintiff, Bay Area resident Travis Trotter, came forward at a press conference at the Waterfront Hotel in Stockton to discuss the case. His identity had previously been protected by court order, as he is a victim of sex abuse.

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107 comments:

  • Ben Sanacore posted at 10:36 pm on Wed, Apr 25, 2012.

    Ben Sanacore Posts: 104

    I invoked the memory of the Salem Witch Trials and the McCarthy era in a number of my posts related to Fr. Kelly. It's easy to accuse and want to see people go down who you don't like or hate. To those that find logic an enemy and truth a menace, I say that hate is the enemy and menace. It threatens freedom and peace. Where does all the injustice in the world begin? It begins with hatred.

    What I find even more interesting than the Massachusetts Witchcraft persecutions of the 17th Century, are the causes of those persecutions. Theories abound as to why it occurred. Some believe naturally occuring hallucinogens caused the afflictions blamed on witchcraft. Others claim that it was rivalry, spite, and acting for attention by the alleged afflicted. I believe the latter is much more likely.

    Evidence used to convict and destroy people in the Salem Witch Trials was interesting and bears some resemblance to "repressed memory" evidence. Does anyone recall something called "spectral evidence" used in many of the cases against accused witches? Spectral evidence amounted to the afflicted seeing apparitions of the accused who they claim tormented them. Kinda sounds like "repressed memory", an evidence that only emerges from the mind of the accuser. Spectral evidence along with other dubious evidence condemned many people.

    Fr. Kelly may be done here. We'll probably never see him again in the U.S. The enemies of justice will continue their persecution of the falsely accused. They're like wolves who will never give Kelly peace. Since Christians understand suffering and the carrying of a cross, he uderstands his cross.

    Laws must be enacted to stop the illogical and unreasonable use of "repressed memory" evidence in trials. When injustice is allowed to advance, peace and freedom are at stake. When any one of these is threatened, they're all threatened for everyone.

     
  • Ronald Brown posted at 1:08 pm on Wed, Apr 25, 2012.

    gipper Posts: 116

    I am sure Manly gave the jury plenty of "talking points" during Trotter's news conference following the settlement.

    With the statement and nice military photo for effect, it looks like his repressed memories have already faded.


     
  • Josh Morgan posted at 12:24 pm on Wed, Apr 25, 2012.

    Josh Morgan Posts: 538

    Have any of the jurors made public statements? With the settlement I'm assuming the trial is over.

     
  • Ronald Brown posted at 10:00 am on Wed, Apr 25, 2012.

    gipper Posts: 116

    It is hard to believe that repressed memories and questionable emotional testimony by the plaintif take precedent over lack of physical evidence, medical expert testimony and conflicting statements made by the plaintiff when the alleged incidents happened.

    SNAP (particularly Tim Lennon) maybe right that the case turned solely on the emotional testimony of Travis Trotter. There was no further need for other witnesses, expert testimony, etc. For that, Trotter is worthy of an Academy Award.
    With the bar set so low that repressed memories and emotional testimony will win monetary damages, I am sure Trotter's acting coach John Manly is looking for potential Oscar worthy performances.

     
  • Erika Robinson posted at 9:23 am on Wed, Apr 25, 2012.

    Erika Robinson Posts: 3

    Actually the civil suit was filed in April of 2008 which means after two years Travis still had no clue how old he was when he remembered vividly all the details. Darrell, you had this civil suit figured out months ago. You said Father Kelly wouldn't have a chance for a fair trial. I actually thought he did but I was dreaming. Many people thank you for standing up for this injustice.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:02 am on Wed, Apr 25, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Steve, why you are not banned from this forum is beyond me.
    You seriously need help.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 6:24 am on Wed, Apr 25, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2572

    DB, perhaps you can call your organization the Kelly and Grady Rape Fund.

    Seriously people, who would have thought that pedophiles would find so much support in our community?

     
  • Erika Robinson posted at 7:01 pm on Tue, Apr 24, 2012.

    Erika Robinson Posts: 3

    I am a friend of Father Kellys. For four and a half years he was bullied by the legal nonprofit hate group called SNAP. They didn't know either Travis or Fr. Kelly. At first they called Father Kelly a "monster" for raping a 7 year old boy. Travis "recalled" these events in 2006. The civil suit was filed a year later in April of 2007. I read the suit and at least a half dozen times it said Travis was 7-10 years old. It never said anything about being older. For someone who "remembered" all the details so vividly, he sure couldn't remember how old he was. Father Kelly didn't even meet Travis until he was 10. Father Kelly was in Tracy during the years Travis was 7-10. Apparently much later he "remembered" differently. When a jury chooses to ignore facts like this, there isn't a chance for a just trial. Overall it's a sad case for everyone except Travis, his lawyer, and SNAP. It's especially sad, not only for Father Kelly, but for his friends and all the people he helped on a daily basis. The area lost a great leader, friend and also money that should have stayed here instead of going to Marin and Orange County.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 1:41 pm on Tue, Apr 24, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Ron,

    I am interested in going forward with this issue in a constructive way. I think SNAP is very organized and effective in getting the results with truth as they see it.

    I think an organization that promotes justice and fairness for people like Mike Kelly or anyone else caught in a political cross-hair where truth is not important but the agenda is. Repressed memories and false memories could be a specific category or specialty. At minimum, a website that promotes collaboration and coordination of information like SNAP would be a value. A good brainstorming session would be interesting.

    I would be willing to develop a database website at no cost. There needs to be people like you helping in the mission, content and goals . It would be interesting to form a group to explore the possibility. I would also be willing to pay for the cost of starting a 501 C non profit organization.
    Good people need to do something.

    I will be returning from Thailand soon and intend to take action in some way. You can reach me at

    2.justice4me@gmail.com

     
  • Ronald Brown posted at 8:30 am on Tue, Apr 24, 2012.

    gipper Posts: 116

    Mr. Lennon, Some thoughts:

    1) The bishop did not hire him. He was brought in by the defense team as an expert witness. It is Harvard University and its medical system that hired him. His research is based on fact and reason, and it is co-authored by other psychiatrists. If you disagree with him and think he is a whacko, take the case to Harvard University. Apparently, Harvard likes his research and publications as he is a tenured professor. Are you narrow minded enough to believe that anyone that has a different opinion than you is wacko? You really seem like an open minded person. Dr. Kuo did not testify on repressed memory, but I am sure that she would support his journal articles that have debunked the theory.
    It is nice to know that an "expert" on repressed memory holds greater weight over a Harvard medical school professor. The last time I checked Harvard was ranked pretty high in college rankings, and their medical school is ranked #1 IN THE WORLD.

    2) Mr. Lennon, I do offer my hand and sympathy to you as someone who has been abused by a priest. Your post showed that your abuse happened to other boys in the same church around your age. In this case, please note that NO other people from the time that Mr. Trotter was at Annunciation came forward to say that they were sexually abused or assaulted. In fact, former students, teachers and parents have come forward to vouch for Fr. Kelly. With other cases (such as Fr. O'Grady), there were multiple abuse victims that came forward with similar stories. Are there any such more cases at Annunciation, or are you and SNAP going to reiterate the same old Calaveras allegations.

    3) With the cases set forth in Calaveras, I question the timing as they were filed when the civil trial was just getting attention in the local press. Moreover, there seems to be a conflict of interst as Manly was representing one of these individuals and was conducting his own trial of Kelly in the court of public opinion. As these are allegations, they need to be fully investigated. If the burden of proof is met that criminal charges should go forward, I agree that Fr. Kelly should be tried on these charges.
    However, Manly and his firm stand little to gain with a criminal trial. They do not get paid on an hourly basis. They are compensated off the damages awarded to their client and get 30-33% of the total damages. With the bar set so low that an "expert" on repressed memory and a plaintiff's inconsistent and emotional testimony was able to get a large sum of money, I believe that further cases will be a mile long outside the Stockton courthouse doors.
    This will not be just religious institutions Mr. Lennon. These will be anyone with deep pockets such as school districts, towns, cities, etc. If I was a public official, teacher, coach, etc., I would find this extremely concerning as down the line, they could be sued for "repressed memories"

    4) Yes, the babysitting and punching the nose. SNAP and Manly did a comprehensive vetting and brought this forward for the prosecution. When under oath, did these individuals believe that Kelly sexually abused or assaulted them? No. Did Fr Kelly lie under oath that he did these actions? No, he said his actions were immature and took responsibility for them.

    5) On another note Mr. Lennon, if Kelly was truly guilty in these cases, why would he have subjected himself to the criminal and civil inquiry and charges that were brought against him four and a half years ago? He subjected himself to prying of his private life, whole ministry, polygraph tests etc. If he was simply guilty, he could have fled like Fr. O'Grady and Eckhard Schmidt. Why stay and see your personal reputation get sullied and take on health problems that are partly related to the trial and inquiry? Please explain this to me.

    6) I bring forth that all of us agree that all chid molesters should be brought to justice and held accountable for their actions. As an abuse victim yourself Mr. Lennon, I wish that you and SNAP extend your reach to not just cases of abuse in the Catholic Church. I have brought cases of abuse that have happened in other religious traditions such as with Senator Scott Brown of Massachusetts, and I pointed out to Ms. Das about the abuse of two underage girls by a Hindu priest in British Columbia. Will you and SNAP pursue these perpetrators as much as you do the Catholic Church?


     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:12 am on Tue, Apr 24, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Beck stated...I am a high school coach and I have hugged my players. So apparently I am a few complaints and repressed memories away from being a pedophile. That's scary.

    Great point Daryl....

    I think when you break down the entire debate of repressed memory validity in this case, either you have faith that Trotter is telling the truth or you do not. No physical evidence or witnesses to substantiate the claim.

    Until now, I did not think any judge would allow a case in a court of law where faith determined guilt or innocence.

    Sad day for justice.

     
  • Daryl Beck posted at 8:32 pm on Mon, Apr 23, 2012.

    D Beck Posts: 1

    It is my opinion that Fr. Kelly is innocent. I understand that some people have the opposite opinion. The part that is troubling to me is that he was found liable and a member of the jury stated that this case had no evidence, but there were too many complaints. I have tickled and rough housed with my children, my nieces and nephews and cousins. I am a high school coach and I have hugged my players. So apparently I am a few complaints and repressed memories away from being a pedophile. That's scary.

     
  • Tim Lennon posted at 7:58 pm on Mon, Apr 23, 2012.

    timl Posts: 4

    1. Not true. Tickling and "stretching" of children not in public. Kelly baby sat.
    2. Not true. In second phase, testimony was given of sexual misconduct by Kelly leading to the parent punching Kelly
    3. Calavaras investigation leads to "several" more victims stepping forward.
    http://www.uniondemocrat.com/News/Local-News/Catholic-church-to-pay-375M-in-Kelly-clai
    4. The Harvard professor, Bodkin, hired by Bishop Blaire is wacko. He holds the remarkable position that a child may not be traumatized by abuse. He cited the example of having a neighbor/uncle have a child fondle him and no harm is done. He cited the Greeks as an example where molestation of a child does not cause harm.
    Bodkin acknowledges the practice of pedophiles of "grooming" children with gifts, special attention, vacations in order to win their consent and acceptance in molestation.
    Dr. Bodkin said that if no harm is done, if the perpetrator is "nice" and it "felt good" to the child, and if no pain is involved a child may "look forward" to the contact.
    How can Bishop Blaire hire an "expert" so accommodating to the idea that molesting a child may not cause harm? How is the protection of children advanced when you have such an apologist for pedophilia hired as your "expert" witness? Was Bishop Blaire so desparate they had to scrape the bottom of the barrow. I think his testimony was repulsive and I think the jury rejected him and his testimony.

     
  • Ron Eastwood posted at 4:05 pm on Mon, Apr 23, 2012.

    Ron Eastwood Posts: 5

    Ron, You are obviously a very intelligent and passionate person. I liked and supported Kelly until the evidence changed my mind. Two people have told me about Kelly's inappropriate behavior. Both times he was asked to leave their homes immediately. I hope I am wrong, but I truly feel Kelly is a pedophile. And, I wonder how you will feel in a year or so when you have a chance to digest everything.

     
  • Ronald Brown posted at 3:11 pm on Mon, Apr 23, 2012.

    gipper Posts: 116

    For the record, Mr. Eastwood:

    1) The diocese took efforts to investigate Kelly's possible pedophelia. The report states that there was no sexual attraction from Kelly to children. I reiterate Mr. Brumbach's comments that molesters/abusers will usually do this behavior in private and away from parents. Kelly's tickling took place with them present. Would a pedophile commit molesting acts in front of parents or other adults?

    2) I realize that there were tickling and other incidents that were brought by the plaintiff. But Mr. Eastwood, when asked under oath, NONE of these individuals said that Kelly's actions were sexual or sexually abusive. I am disappointed that the defense team did not take time to put forth on the stand the many children, parents, etc that could vouch for Fr. Kelly's crediblity. This stands from his time in Tracy to present.
    Moreover, I reiterate in the time that Travis Trotter has made his claim, NOT ONE person from Annunciation school during the time that Travis Trotter was enrolled there have come forward to make a claim. In fact, Kelly still receives the support of students, parents and parishoners. (some of who have written and posted here). With the abuse cases of Fr. O' Grady, there were several other abuse cases that came forward. I find it puzzling that no other cases from this time period have come forward.

    3) Yes, there is an allegation that is being investigated in Calaveras and a few more in San Andreas. There is questions as these filings took place and were initiated by Manly and his firm (ex. Calaveras) and occurred right when the civil trial was being covered in the press.
    These are allegations Mr. Eastwood, and they deserve to be fully investigated. If there is enough evidence that brings forth a criminal trial, I believe that Kelly should be held responsible and answer for his actions. At this time, the evidence and burden of proof is not responsible in all these incidents to have the authorities issue a criminal warrant.
    The same is true with the Travis Trotter case. The authorities investigated the criminal complaint, and they found no strong evidence to press for criminal charges.
    When the criminal investigation ended, Travis Trotter and Mr. Manly pushed for a civil trial. The threshold for culpablity is much lower than a criminal trial, and the plaintiff can recover monetary damages.
    I am especially worried that the case was won by emotional testimony from the plaintiff and a questionable psychological theory called repressed memory. The jury ignored lack of physical evidence, contradiction of the plaintiff's interviews and statements under oath and expert testimony from a Harvard Medical School professor that put forth an academic article in a leading medical journal that debunks repressed memories.
    This paper was authored by several other professionals, and the findings were based on facts and reason. If you asked the plaintiff's psychiatrists to read the article and comment, I am sure she would support his position on repressed memory.

    With the bar set so low that emotional testimony (as documented by SNAP people that turned the trial) and represed memory being allowed as "expert" testimony, there will be a Pandora's box of claims filed that range not only to the Diocese but other public entities with deep pockets (ex. school districts, towns, etc) will have lawsuits filed against them. If I was a public official, teacher, etc. I would be extremely worried at the possible "repressed memory" lawsuits that could hit me in the future.

    Just my two cents Mr. Eastwood.....

     
  • Jeff Bennett posted at 9:38 am on Mon, Apr 23, 2012.

    Jeff B Posts: 5

    Bob, I tried to explain the statute of limitations that apply to this situation over a month ago when I posted this:

    "Despite what Tim and the plaintiff's attorney would have you believe, the statute of limitations has nothing to do with why criminal charges have not been filed. California Penal Code Section 803 (f) allows criminal charges for sexual abuse of a minor to be filed within one year of the date that a report is filed with a California law enforcement agency, no matter how long ago the alleged crime took place. Consider that a "not guilty" verdict in a criminal trial makes it a lot harder convince a jury to award money for damages in a civil trial."

    They didn't get it then, and I doubt they'll get it now.

    As far as the settlement goes, I believe that the diocese was looking to settle as soon as the jury came back with a decision against Fr. Kelly. This case boiled down to one man's word against another's and once the jury established which side they believed there really was no point in the diocese continuing with the case. It's possible Manly chose to settle because he felt that evidence admitted during the second phase of the trial (especially the multiple passed polygraph tests) might have convinced the jury that either the diocese did their due diligence or that they may have been wrong in phase one. Either situation would result in a significant reduction in the dollar amount awarded to the plaintiff.

     
  • Ron Eastwood posted at 8:25 am on Mon, Apr 23, 2012.

    Ron Eastwood Posts: 5

    "Now, these same bay area people in a hysterical manner use this as evidence ( in their minds) that Kelly is guilty of abuse. Amazing that anyone would take anything these bay area groupies say seriously???"

    Keep drinking the kool-aid, Darrel. I am not a bay area groupie. In fact, I attend mass at St Joachim every Saturday afternoon. My family blindly supported Kelly until the evidence became overwhelming against Kelly and the Church. You continue to be a good, little sheep, and send your money in every week. I am sure another "settlement" is coming soon, and will keep coming until the Church stops hiding child molesters.

     
  • Ronald Brown posted at 8:22 am on Mon, Apr 23, 2012.

    gipper Posts: 116

    You have the same inconsistencies as Mr. Trotter Ms. Das.

     
  • Ronald Brown posted at 8:05 am on Mon, Apr 23, 2012.

    gipper Posts: 116

    Ms.Das, Some food for thought:

    1) You handle the Catholic church and people like Kelly as sociopaths and an uncaring God. In addition, you claim and are happy to raise your young children in the more caring Hindu faith. However, as I have stated, sexual abuse happens across different religious traditions including your own. I am attaching an article that describes this. Will you, SNAP and surrogates go and defend these young girls as much as Mr. Trotter? Will you go after other cases of sexual abuse in other religious denominations, or is it your sole goal to spread anti-Catholic bias?
    http://www.ctvbc.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20101116/bc_priest_charges_101116/20101116

    2) I am worried that the repressed memory and the clear contradiction will open a Pandora's box of cases in the future. With the bar set on a lower level for culpability in a civil trial versus criminal trials, people like teachers, coaches, etc could have future suits brought against them in the future. Moreover, it scares me even more that you and SNAP support the inconsitencies in Travis Trotter's testimony. For example, you believe the graphic details, where it happened, but you cannot come to grips with the major inconsistencies in his testimony.

    He contradicts himself in what grade the assaults happen (major detail!!), and he says that the abuse continued by Kelly up to the time he was in seventh grade. Kelly was not at Annunication when Travis Trotter was in seventh grade!! However, with you and others, these details are not important with repressed memory. With so many people posting here supporting this bogus theory, I am finally coming to grips on why the case was decided 12-0 in two hours.

    3) I am upset that when the judge asks expert witness testimony to take precedent that a "repressed memory' psychologist is given weight over a Harvard medical school professor who has co-authored articles in leading medical journals that debunks repressed memory. These articles are based on facts and reason, and they take many years to publish. In addition, several other leading medical school professors (also psychiatrists) co-authored this article. The plaintiff's lawyers never disputed his professional credentials or research or his evaluation of the client. In addition, if you asked the plaintiff's psychiatrist to read Bodkin's academic articles I am willing to bet that she would support his findings.

    I guess that it is not important. As others have mentioned, the case was won with Travis Trotter's emotional testimony and the theory of repressed memory put forth by a "expert" psychologist.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 11:39 pm on Sun, Apr 22, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Psychological test results on Kelly never confirmed he was a pedophile, Beatty said. "Nonetheless, the church was very cautious," Beatty said. "In the unlikely event (they said) we should test for it."

    In other words, the bay area people who are at an almost hysterical pitch, have complained for years that the church was not careful and ignored the potential priests who they think might have abused children.

    So what does the church do? They implement programs that evaluate any priest who has gotten even the smallest of complaints to be cautious ( example, he tickled a child) . If you look at the complaint... Mike Kelly played with children “ ONLY WITH THEIR PARENTS PRESENT”... hint... why would a pedophile do things while parents closely watched that might bring suspicion... wouldn't a real pedophile attempt to hide his behavior?

    Now, these same bay area people in a hysterical manner use this as evidence ( in their minds) that Kelly is guilty of abuse. Amazing that anyone would take anything these bay area groupies say seriously.
    ( said groupies since it is the vocabulary that Joey Piscitelli used to describe Kelly supporters ... just want to communicate at a level they understand)

     
  • parvati das posted at 10:09 pm on Sun, Apr 22, 2012.

    parvati Posts: 5

    No, I wish he didnt get off so easy, I wish he would die an old old man rotting in prison. And btw I was there. I hope you eventually realize the truth and stop further molesting Travis. Im sorry you were fooled by Kelly, many were. I am not christian for good reason (Annunciation being the main, those memories are vaulted away like a nightmare) and am so lucky to have never been fooled as you are. I would never put my child near a priest like Kelly and thankfully they are raised hindu and never will know of the corruption and evil that I know to well from this particular church. I hope for your sake you didn't procreate that would be a tragedy.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:59 pm on Sun, Apr 22, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405


    Mr Eastwood has come to join his Bay area friends in showing amazement that anyone would support Kelly...

    Personally, I am amazed that he would think any serious thinker would draw conclusions that Kelly or the church did something wrong in this case based on what he have posted...for example, he stated "The board recommended Kelly undergo intensive live-in therapy and provided the bishop with suggestions about how to break the news to Kelly.

    On the minutes was written: "Legally the diocese is on notice."
    The Catholic church would be crazy not to “legally” put themselves in stronger legal position considering the billions of dollars that have had to pay out. So of course they will evaluate and have concerns of any priest that have received any kind of complaints. That does not suggest they thought he was a pedophile at all . That is your silly irresponsible childish conclusion.
    Kelly has support of children and parents who had years of contact with him and found Kelly to be loving and caring. People have testified that they have interacted with Kelly for 30 years intimately and have not seen any hints of anything inappropriate. So of course personal experience and actual involvement with the man for decades will cause people to distrust 25 year old unreliable claimed repressed memories.

     
  • Ron Eastwood posted at 9:11 pm on Sun, Apr 22, 2012.

    Ron Eastwood Posts: 5

    STOCKTON - But in 2003, a review board - created to look into concerns of potential sexual misconduct in the wake of nationwide child sex-abuse allegations and criminal convictions of employees of the Catholic Church - revisited the complaint from the family at Presentation, Ryan said.

    Kelly received a psychological evaluation and further therapy, Ryan confirmed.

    Manly questioned why the issue was brought to the review board if it wasn't perceived as sexual.

    The board had its own concerns about Kelly's suitability as a priest after reviewing the complaint and Kelly's psychological reports, according to minutes of a review board's meeting presented in court.

    The board recommended Kelly undergo intensive live-in therapy and provided the bishop with suggestions about how to break the news to Kelly.

    On the minutes was written: "Legally the diocese is on notice."

    "The statement means that Father Kelly's behavior would put the diocese in a difficult position in a legal point of view," Ryan said.

    The review board had also addressed a separate parent's complaint of inappropriate play with children in 1979, when Kelly was at St. Bernard's Church in Tracy.

     
  • Ron Eastwood posted at 9:09 pm on Sun, Apr 22, 2012.

    Ron Eastwood Posts: 5

    STOCKTON - Before rape allegations against former Catholic Priest Michael Kelly surfaced in 2007, a board charged with reviewing sexual misconduct at the Diocese of Stockton had discussed Kelly six to eight times on other complaints, the Rev. Monsignor Richard Ryan told a civil jury Friday.

     
  • Ron Eastwood posted at 9:08 pm on Sun, Apr 22, 2012.

    Ron Eastwood Posts: 5

    It is shocking that people still support Kelly. I sat in the courtroom, and there was so much more evidence than his supporters are willing to admit. There have been many complaints about Kelly's behavior towards boys. He is a child molester. Take off your blinders and open your eyes. What will be your excuse when he attackes again, like O'Grady??? There is a special place waiting for Kelly, Blaire, and Mahony.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:36 pm on Sun, Apr 22, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405


    Lastly to Parvati... You were not there as well... you have no clue what Mr trotter is willing to do for money... and you have no idea the brutality and sickness you are endorsing... Father Kelly, an innocent priest, is in a hospital with bleeding ulcers due to the greed and selfishness Manly and Trotter possess. That to me, is real sickness that you are promoting. May I ask, does it you feel good?

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:28 pm on Sun, Apr 22, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    CONTINUED...

    The sickness is the people who generalize and “assume” that if a priest is accused, he is guaranteed to be guilty. SNAP and all the other Bay area people shamelessly associated Mike Kelly .with proven pedophiles like McGrady to poison the jury pools objectivity. The state of Texas would not have even allowed this case in court as the evidence is non existent or proven by scientific method. Repressed memories cannot possibly be substantiated and everyone has to take it on faith that Mr Trotter is telling the truth. Justice,society and courts can not win if convictions result with evidence that cannot be proven.
    You personally should be very frightened that it is now possible to win millions in court simply by being a very good actor. No evidence needed...just have the ability to cry and win the hearts and compassion of a gullible emotional jury, and you are a very rich man.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:27 pm on Sun, Apr 22, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    parvati das posted at 7:06 pm To Darell, You were not there and you have no idea the brutality and sickness you are endorsing...

    No one was there Parvati....not even Mike Kelly, or do you have some type of evidence that Trotter's lawyer was not able to find? People have committed murder for $10,000. Do you think it is beyond reason that someone might lie to get millions?

    There are thousands of people who maintain Mike Kelly's innocence. I strongly resent your implication that all these people are endorsing pedophilia by supporting Kelly. That is absurd bay area thinking in motion.
    For argument sake, let us “assume” you are not lying... that you were abused and that the Catholic church has had its share of responsibility...

     
  • parvati das posted at 7:06 pm on Sun, Apr 22, 2012.

    parvati Posts: 5

    To Darell, You were not there and you have no idea the brutality and sickness you are endorsing. I wish you were a fly on the wall and had to relive every moment these victims went through.I know for 100% certainty that it happened and it happened multiple times with escalating degrees of brutality. He locked me in a room and did it to someone close to me. He is guilty. I do not live in the states (luckily for all of you), I would have been there face to face with Kelly to confront him. i wish I could take justice in my own hands because he deserves to go to that fiery pit you guys believe in and most likely would have ended up in prison if he ' run away like the rat he is. Do you know what they do to child molesters in prison??? He deserves all of that and more. Furthermore who cares that some insurance plan paid out money. They covered it up , they moved him from church to church when complaints started rolling in, they should pay a lot more than they did and be held criminally responsible.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 5:54 pm on Sun, Apr 22, 2012.

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    Josh Morgan stated.... If a young child was molested by a person some 25 - 30 years ago and the child just kept it as "his/her dirty little secret", what do you believe should happen? Do you believe too much time has passed and nothing should be done? (I'm not talking a repressed memory situation, just an embarrassing secret the individual has kept to him/herself for all these years.)

    This is a great question? What should happen is what did happen in the Kelly case until the mistake happened of letting this go to trial.

    Of course, every stone should be turned over to find truth. Of course it is ridiculous to think nothing should be done. You should look for evidence, look for any possibilities that the allegation could be true.
    That is what happened. The sheriffs department conducted a complete investigation. All history of behavior was looked at. As it turned out, there was no evidence of abuse...just a 25 year old repressed memory that could not be substantiated. It is obscene that this went to court.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 5:43 pm on Sun, Apr 22, 2012.

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    To Parvati Dos...you of all people should want justice done. Convicting innocent priests is not justice. Any child that was in reality abused by anyone has experienced something no one should. I have real sadness for people abused...

    However, this bay area SNAP crowd that has dominated the discussion here is not after justice. They are in denial and unfortunately are willing to convict innocent priests in order to satisfy their craving for blind revenge to what they perceived and claim happened to them. I have no doubt that there are false accusers in the SNAP organization itself.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 5:37 pm on Sun, Apr 22, 2012.

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    Melanie, the bay area SNAP person, feels repressed memories are real... it really does not matter does it Melanie. The ends justifies the means and if you can help exterminate a priest, it does not matter how. Father Kelly does not exist any more. This man is dead. Mike Kelly, in a hospital from bleeding ulcers is all that's left. It would be more appropriate to refer to him as Mike Kelly.

    You also in this post attempt to “appear” justified and reasonable in your behavior by bringing up a Calaveras county allegation. Of course to SNAP, they have “never” met a false accuser ( in their minds)
    and this allegation is all the evidence they need to hang the priest. Get the rope Melanie... there has been a repressed memory and allegation made... hang um high. It is comical if not so sad that you perceive allegations as absolute truth. Bay area justice in action.

    Even though there are hundreds of respected psychiatrists that think repressed memory syndrome is non existent, Melanie the bay area SNAP person knows better.

     
  • parvati das posted at 5:02 pm on Sun, Apr 22, 2012.

    parvati Posts: 5

    I can remember the details of my rape as well, however I could not tell you my teachers name at the time, who all my friends were, i cant even tell you the adress of the house I lived or what grade I was in. But I sure could tell you every little detail of the rape. Explain that?

     
  • Ronald Brown posted at 4:50 pm on Sun, Apr 22, 2012.

    gipper Posts: 116

    My comments to Ms. Das and Mr. Morgan...first, I did not mention any words like "dirty little secret". I think everybody here is against sexual abuse/molestation and bringing those to justice to what is written under the law.


    As for the evidence, I think repressed memory is a bogus theory. Mr. Trotter was quite vivid in the details of the actual assaults and where they happened (motel room, rectory, etc). However, if repressed memory is to be believed, he forgot key elements. Testimony he gave under deposition was different than said under oath. He contradicted himself in the grades that the abuse happenened, and he says that Kelly continued to abuse him when he was in seventh and eighth grade (Kelly was not even at Annunciation at this time!!). Mr. Trotter seemed clearly agitated at this, and Mr. Manly continued to object to the line of questioning. However, his objections were overturned.

    However, under "repressed memory" details like when events happened are not important. His emotional testimony (as told by Mr. Lennon) was the turning point of the case. The performance looked to be oscar-worthy, and I am sure the likes of Clooney, Pitt and Cooper could learn from Travis Trotter. When one combines this with the "expert" on repressed memory, it was a slam dunk that Kelly would be held liable.

    Second, I move on to the expert testimony of the two board certified psychiatrists. Both bring superb credentials. Dr. Kuo (MD John Hopkins, clinical professor UCSF) testified that from her observations Mr. Trotter was an alcoholic and depressed due to his abuse from Fr. Kelly. Her testimony under oath said it was only based on her observations from Mr. Trotter and what Mr. Trotter TOLD her.
    Under oath, she cannot stand that her diagnosis was100% accurate as she says she did NOT read the other diagnosis from the other psychiatrist detailing the transcipts of the conversation Dr. Bodkin had with Mr. Trotter. Bodkin had read the transcripts of Dr. Kuo's opinion, and he offered a different diagnosis of the client's mental state.
    In addition, Dr. Bodkin debunked the entire repressed memory expert. He has co-authored an article in leading medical journals (with other psychiatrists) that says this theory put forth by psychologists is not credible. As an academic myself, leading articles take YEARS to be published, and they are based on FACTS and REASON.
    I find it unbeleviable and laughable that with two different views of the client's mental conditions that it took the jury just a short time to make a decision. It is morelaughable that a repressed memory expert is given more credibility than a medical school professor from Harvard. The last time I looked Harvard was a pretty good school!!

    .

    As for the number of other abuse cases, Manly, SNAP and others did an extensive search on Kelly for other cases from his time in Tracy until present. Guess what...zero cases were discovered!! The people that Manly and SNAP did bring forth did talk about the "roughhousing" incidents. These incidents were vetted by the Diocese, and when UNDER oath these individuals Kelly did NOT sexually abuse them.

    The case under Calaveras is being looked at, and there is no strong evidence to bring criminal charges. Under California law, authorities have one year to bring forth sufficient evidence that would warrant a criminal trial (when the statute of limitations expires). This opens the door for a civil trial where the bar is set much lower for guilt, and there is the room for monetary damages. With the con job done by Mr. Trotter, there will be a line a mile long looking for the Diocese's money. It is legal, and it is easier than playing the lottery!!

    As for Mr. Walker, he was not a poor child growing up Ms. Das. How many families in Stockton had nannies twenty plus years ago or even now? How many families could afford to send their children to a private school in Stockton when little or no financial aid is available? His situation was not that of a broken home.

    As I have read here from others whose parents and kids went to Annunciation around the same time, it seems that Mr. Trotter and his father were not people of the highest integrity during the time that they have known them. A few had mentioned that this case would not have surprised them coming from someone like Mr. Trotter or his father. It is amazing that no other kids from the time that Kelly was at Annunciation have come forward with allegations of sexual abuse. In fact, they continue to stand by him. Do these sound like people drinking the Kool-Aid Ms. Das?

    With the likes of O'Grady, there were several other cases that came forward.

     
  • parvati das posted at 3:52 pm on Sun, Apr 22, 2012.

    parvati Posts: 5

    "his dirty little secret" really? You are sick man. BTW I was raped when I was a teenager did a whole bunch of drugs completely forgot about it. When I got sober 11 years ago memories started flooding back of being raped, I had completely forgot about the incident that had happened when I was 14. When you are a child and something happens that your mind cant deal with and you have no one to tell it locks it away. Its a survival mechanism , and you are cruel. Often when people have a huge life changing thing happen or overwhelming stress stuff leaks out. It is not fake. I know that everyone who knows Travis knows he is not a liar, he was hurt and he was able to get it out in the open so more innocent children don't have to suffer any more. He has an amazing family and he is a great father and husband. Kelly is a rapist. Maybe he didn't pray on you or yours but because he victimized each boys for long periods of time he couldn't plan out enough for every boy to be his victim. Maybe you weren't attractive or didn't come from a broken home where both parents worked. He finds children who he knows can be easily victimized without anyone noticing. He is a sociopath who believes what hes doing is okay
    " GOD wants me to do this to you."

     
  • Josh Morgan posted at 2:26 pm on Sun, Apr 22, 2012.

    Josh Morgan Posts: 538

    Ron, I'm curious about your thoughts. Let's take this case (Kelly) out of the equation. If a young child was molested by a person some 25 - 30 years ago and the child just kept it as "his/her dirty little secret", what do you believe should happen? Do you believe too much time has passed and nothing should be done? (I'm not talking a repressed memory situation, just an embarrassing secret the individual has kept to him/herself for all these years.)

     
  • Ronald Brown posted at 1:15 pm on Sun, Apr 22, 2012.

    gipper Posts: 116

    I am having repressed memories from all the abusive comments of Melanie Sakoda and Joey Piscitell!! Does anyone have Manly's phone #? In addition, does anyone have Travis Trotter's number as well? I will need acting lessons before I appear in court, and he definitely gave an acting appearance worthy of an Academy Award.

     
  • Melanie Sakoda posted at 11:23 am on Sun, Apr 22, 2012.

    Melanie Sakoda Posts: 16

    I agree with Joey that Travis Trotter is a hero!!! While no amount of money can compensate for the loss of childhood innocence, the settlement represents justice for this brave survivor.

    Dissociative amnesia is a recognized psychological phenomenon, and Travis' testimony was supported in part by the testimony of other witnesses. Another Catholic priest, the infamous Paul Shanley, was convicted on the basis of a recovered memory, and his conviction was upheld by the Massachusetts Supreme Court.

    Moreover, another allegation of abuse by Father Michael Kelly was brought to the attention of law enforcement in Calaveras county in the fall of 2011. This allegation is not based on a recovered memory. The authorities have not yet decided what to do because additional victims have come forward.

    Melanie Jula Sakoda
    Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests (SNAP)
    SNAP East Bay Director
    melanie.sakoda@gmail.com
    925-708-6175

    PS I am a volunteer for SNAP. I receive no compensation from the organization, and I am not even reimbursed for my expenses.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 8:53 am on Sun, Apr 22, 2012.

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    I am wondering just how a huge monetary settlement helps the "victim" cope with his alleged abuse. Money helps how? Oh yeah, it pays for lots of nice things the "victim" wants. I guess riding around in a shiny expensive Mercedes might help. Maybe if he wipe his forehead with $100 bills it might relieve his "repressed memory".

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 2:42 am on Sun, Apr 22, 2012.

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    Mr Piscitelli stated...Apparantly reality still has not set in for some people, but that has always been common.

    Oh I strongly disagree. Reality has set in and action needs to be taken to deal with this reality. Repressed Memory Syndrome needs to be banned. Its time to push legislators to understand the indefensible nature that an accused is faced with.

    It is very common that zealots and people with hatred and bigotry in their hearts to viciously pervert justice to get what they want. It is normal for people to feel victimized by outrageous organizations like SNAP.

    This should be day one to aggressively turn the tide of Repressed Memory Syndrome cases.

    I encourage everyone to take this as a learning lesson and take immediate action to fight the injustice that just took place. I suggest using SNAP as a model of organization. They are well organized and motivated but unfortunately misguided.


     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 2:41 am on Sun, Apr 22, 2012.

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    Mr Piscitelli stated...Apparantly reality still has not set in for some people, but that has always been common.

    Oh I strongly disagree. Reality has set in and action needs to be taken to deal with this reality. Repressed Memory Syndrome needs to be banned. Its time to push legislators to understand the indefensible nature that an accused is faced with.

    It is very common that zealots and people with hatred and bigotry in their hearts to viciously pervert justice to get what they want. It is normal for people to feel victimized by outrageous organizations like SNAP.

    This should be day one to aggressively turn the tide of Repressed Memory Syndrome cases.

    I encourage everyone to take this as a learning lesson and take immediate action to fight the injustice that just took place. I suggest using SNAP as a model of organization. They are well organized and motivated but unfortunately misguided.


     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 2:36 am on Sun, Apr 22, 2012.

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    It was, is and still will be all about the money... $$$$$$

    Despite the Bay area crowd who supports the Marin plaintiff... and despite the false accuser (in my opinion) in Mr Trotter, despite the emotional relationship between the jury and Mr Trotter which resulted in the very brief deliberation and emotional victory as well as riches Mr Trotter sought...”Mike Kelly has not been proven guilty of anything”. The verdict stands that Mike Kelly is held liable, but many innocent people have been held liable in court later to be found innocent.

    Manly is more wealthy, Trotter can pay off his 750,000 home in the exclusive Marin area.
    The Bay area crowd who belittled and accused people of supporting pedophiles when in reality, sincerely believe in Mike Kelly's innocence, can continue to enjoy their bizarre fantasy that justice was served.

     
  • Joey Piscitelli posted at 11:38 pm on Sat, Apr 21, 2012.

    Joey piscitelli Posts: 23

    Travis Trotter is truly a hero, and an example for all victims of pedophiles like Fr. kelly- that seeking justice for crimes against children by unconscionable predators can be achieved. And John Manly is a hero as well, protecting victims and innocent children is the noblest cause that an attorney can take up, I respect his integrity.
    The cruel remarks by the fans of Fr. kelly will not change anything at all. Zip. Apparantly reality still has not set in for some people, but that has always been common. Charles Manson and Jeffrey Daumer still have many fans as well. ditto.
    Despite the protection, shuffling, negligence and coverups by Cardinal Mahony, this victim was able to survive not only the criminal activity and injustice by the catholic church, but the undeserved harrassment by the fans of the predator.
    Cowardly fleeing the country was no surprise, that is what sociopathic molesters do; they manipulate, violate, and con those around them-- and then scram when they're busted. Hopefully, other victims will have the courage to come forward as well, and be heroes also. Protection of children is priority always, despite any comments that suggest predators be protected instead - we all know better than that.
    If anyone has been abused by any clergy in this diocese, feel free to contact me, and the police as well.
    Peace and magick to all,
    Joey Piscitelli 925-262-3699

     
  • Jackson Scott posted at 10:59 pm on Sat, Apr 21, 2012.

    Jackson Scott Posts: 386

    Disclaimer: as I mentioned earlier this week, I am not Catholic nor do I know Trotter. I have no dog in this fight.

    What amazes me with the Kelly & O'Grady cases both is that then Stockton Bishop Mahony is the central figure. It seems to me that he had the knowledge & authority to do a lot more than to transfer both priests.

     
  • parvati das posted at 7:46 pm on Sat, Apr 21, 2012.

    parvati Posts: 5

    You all truly should just jump off a bridge. The fact that you have stood by a monster who does the absolute most evil doing one could do and you sit at his feet, worship and make him your new GOD is probably the worst immoral behavior I have ever witnessed. Your creepy pedophile human god destroyed the lives of countless young boys. Im sure when the warrant for his arrest is issued you will still worship him, even if you saw it happen with your own eyes you would still kiss him and tell Kelly what a perfect man he is.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 7:40 pm on Sat, Apr 21, 2012.

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    When the preponderance of evidence clearly indicates a guilty verdict, be it child abuse or any other crime, then the guilty party should be held accountable. But when the verdict is rendered based on unscientific and unproven "repressed memory" syndrome and emotional outbursts, I tend to think the trial was strictly a slick acting job for money. The courts don't recognize the lie detector as a reliable tool, why unproven theory of "repressed memory"? Rendering people guilty by association (some priests have abused, so all priests are abusers) is asinine. If Fr. Kelly is indeed guilty of crimes against children, then he should have been arrested and prosecuted criminally. Now that the precedent has been set recognizing "repressed memory" syndrome, I shudder to think of all the whack jobs that are salivating in hopes of cashing big checks not only from churches, but from anyone that has interaction with children and their employers have the resources to pay up. Much better odds than the lottery.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:14 pm on Sat, Apr 21, 2012.

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    Nancy Slone the SNAP representative stated...DARRELL you claimed so much re: all your writtings here...and so much has been shown false. STOP attacking those People already raped and lied to and betrayed by "MEN of God" Stop attacking men and women who helped show the truth of what was covered up by your church...

    Nancy, you have it 100% wrong. I am concerned about justice. You perceive that justice was done. I believe justice was perverted. I am not attacking anything but the process of this verdict. Just like you, the jury was very emotional. Mike Kelly was covicted on hysterical emotion and not evidence. In my opinion, that is not justice at all. In addition, I am horrified that any person can be taken to court with no physical evidence and repressed memories that are 30 years old .

     
  • Pat McCormick posted at 6:03 pm on Sat, Apr 21, 2012.

    fatherelijah Posts: 2

    Tim Lennon, I believe you. The number of actual abuse cases by Catholic clergy is astonishing. If the people come out with confidence to report the abuse the church will collapse. Each diocese has enormous files on clergy abuse. They keep them in secret files and eventually deliver some to the Vatican when they feel threatened.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:01 pm on Sat, Apr 21, 2012.

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    more hysteria ?... amazing

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:01 pm on Sat, Apr 21, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    More SNAP hysteria... sorry Ms Slone, your conclusions are bizarre.

     
  • Tim Lennon posted at 4:39 pm on Sat, Apr 21, 2012.

    Tim Lennon Posts: 45

    Raped and abused by priest when I was 13. Priest was charming Irishman (like abuser Kelly). He was reported in two previous parish for abuse of children. The church moved him to my parish where he abused me and at least three other boys. The response of the church was to move him to another parish (like the abuser Kelly).
    I never asked for or received a penny from the church.
    I volunteer with SNAP as the thousands of survivors of childhood sexual abuse by priests and other clergy need help and support. I am not paid. I volunteer and proud to do the work.
    I am not against the Catholic faith or those who are believers. I am a relentless foe to anyone who would rape and abuse a ten year old child like Kelly did. And I am a relentless foe of those in the church hierarchy who would protect abusers and endanger children in pursuit of protecting their power, prestige and position.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 3:24 pm on Sat, Apr 21, 2012.

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    Tim Lennon, tell us, just how much money have YOU received in "settlement" from the Catholic Church and how much are you being paid to spread your propaganda against the church?

     
  • Ronald Brown posted at 3:07 pm on Sat, Apr 21, 2012.

    gipper Posts: 116

    Mr. Lennon, The $2 million in insurance is probably being paid by the limits on the Diocese' s sexual molestation liability policy. I know Valley folk like us are not as complex and can not get advanced topics like repressed memory, but with insurance a policyholder pays a premium. If an event that happens in the policy period that is covered in the contract, the insurance carrier pays a claim. It is not rocket science Mr. Lennon. This coverage is bought by churches, colleges, exercise clubs, law firns etc.

    Since you are asking the Diocese to open its books for all to see, will you and SNAP open your financial records as well?

    You are actively soliciting more and more "victims" (as noted in your postings). I do not think this will be a problem due to the theory of "repressed memory".

    As for the decision to settle, Bishop Blaire did not stop the case. It was a agreement made between Manly andhis client and the Diocese of Stockton. This is not another conspiracy by the Catholic Church.

    Do not worry Mr. Lennon. With $3.75 million, the repressed memories will soon begin to fade and Mr. Trotter will soon be up and flying again.

    As for Mr. Manly and his press conference yesterday, he is already on the prowl for more "repressed memories" and his next big payday.


     
  • Tim Lennon posted at 1:12 pm on Sat, Apr 21, 2012.

    Tim Lennon Posts: 45

    Why Does the Church Pay?

    Why does the church pay to settle cases of sexual abuse of children by clergy? And why do they pay so much? These questions can be answered by asking another question: what does Bishop Blaire accomplish by stopping the civil trial? Stopping the trial halts the testimony of church officials who would no longer be able to hide behind their high positions to avoid testifying. It is no accident that Cardinal Mahony was next up to testify, they wanted to avoid that at all costs. Church officials would have been be forced to testify under oath. Stopping the trial allows these church officials to keep hidden their decades long practice of endangering the children of the area.
    High church officials, Bishop Blaire and Cardinal Mahony before him, would rather pay a large sum rather than have the truth of their disregard for the welfare of children become public. They would rather pay than have their high power, privileges and prestige tarnished. They would rather pay than have the Stockton, Modesto, Lockeford, etc. communities understand the breadth of clergy abuse in their communities. They would rather pay that have the community know of the extent of their protection of child abusers. These church officials would rather pay than apologize to a person cruelly abused by Kelly when they knew Kelly was a threat to children.
    They pay huge sums to keep secrets hidden.

     
  • Ronald Brown posted at 10:57 am on Sat, Apr 21, 2012.

    gipper Posts: 116

    I agree with Mr. Chapman. If Mr. Trotter says this is not about the money, let him donate a large share to a charity that supports abuse victims or another charity. I agree that it will probably never happen.

    I guess the $3,750,000 (minus the estimated $1,250,000 that Manly will take home) will help get over his repressed memories fairly quickly.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 10:13 am on Sat, Apr 21, 2012.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    And the nominees for the best fraud against a Catholic Priest are:
    Best Actor: Travis Trotter
    Best Supporting Actor: John Manly
    Best Supporting Cast: SNAP
    No Gold Oscar, just $3.75 million
    And the best lline is "No amount of money can make up for the sexual abuse". Apparently $ 3.75 million did the trick.
    If it wasn't all about the money, I suggest Mr. Trotter and Mr. Manly donate all of financial gains to a charity like the Wounded Warriors Project. I won't hold my breath until that happens.
    Why did he choose to have his large military picture on the wall beside the podium?
    To make himself appear more credible because he served in the military?

     
  • Pat McCormick posted at 10:07 am on Sat, Apr 21, 2012.

    fatherelijah Posts: 2

    Fr. Kelly is a compulsive liar and always acts innocent in whatever he does. He lies so pervasively that he often forgets what he lied about. He is a backstabber and is guilty as charged. Don’t believe this man for he has feigned serving God, rather he has always served himself first. He escapes to Ireland to hide from his shame. I hope he reads these comments and makes his first act of courage in his life and come back to face justice and admit the truth. He is known to have been a pedophile by the diocese for years.

     
  • Posey Mattea posted at 8:28 am on Sat, Apr 21, 2012.

    chatty95321 Posts: 15

    It's iteresting to see these accusers here, saying that if we support and elieve in Fr Kelly, we hate the victim.....not VICTIMS. The only hate I have seen here is by these SNAP people,who are hardly objective in their ranting. I actually,pity the plantiff, because there is something very wrong to do what he did I do not believe in repressed memory and have read extensively about it.You can't convicince me that if a child was
    raped, they would forget about it. As a parent, you are acutely aware when there is something that is troubling your child.
    I have seen FR Kelly around kids for years, my won grandchildren. I asked them how they felt about this...and they replied "NO WAY".
    Money brings out big motivation to people and when spurred on by the greedy attorney's it's not hard to come up with stories.
    But to say that we hate the victims..not true....You are the evil greedy one here Arabella and Tim Lennon and you have destroyed an innocent man.

     
  • Terry Polk posted at 6:50 am on Sat, Apr 21, 2012.

    Terry Polk Posts: 1

    Thank God for Ireland...Father Kelly is at Peace in his world now...A man of truth, honor, and nobility. Still amazes me what greed can do, but you know what? That word does not exist in Heaven...

    I told him, he will always be my St. Patrick ... His last California sun had shined on his face during these moments... not knowing this was the last time I would speak with him...

    Shame on you all...but in the end, its up to our Creator...and he is an honest Judge...

     
  • Nancy Sloan posted at 12:26 am on Sat, Apr 21, 2012.

    N SLOAN Posts: 24

    Signing off as I pray for all of you. IT IS so so so sad....the hate you show victims.

     
  • Nancy Sloan posted at 12:25 am on Sat, Apr 21, 2012.

    N SLOAN Posts: 24

    Its all about THE fact that they new they were wrong...they lost. THEY didnt follow the Charter. THEY didnt learn...THEY didnt keep kids safe,,,, OH its so amazing how you all would have a different song if the jury were BLIND to the truth and favored your way.,....then you would act all so wise and smug...SORRY

    WE have a system....

    IT is not the VICTIMS fault.

    WHEN are you all going to show the compassion of saying WOW if the CHURCH officials didnt so often F up in the past....maybe things would be different..

     
  • Nancy Sloan posted at 12:22 am on Sat, Apr 21, 2012.

    N SLOAN Posts: 24

    JOE....YOU need help....I will Pray for you and your wicked friends

     
  • Nancy Sloan posted at 12:21 am on Sat, Apr 21, 2012.

    N SLOAN Posts: 24

    IGNORANCE ISNT BLISS....IT should be illegal

     
  • Nancy Sloan posted at 12:20 am on Sat, Apr 21, 2012.

    N SLOAN Posts: 24

    WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE MONSTERS THAT ATTACK RAPE VICTIMS ? AND THEN ACCUSE THEM OF GETTING PAID? PEOPLE OFFERING SUPPORT TO A VICTIM....SURVIVORS OF RAPE, OF being lied to, of being betrayed, of being sodomized, of being threatened, of finding the strength over and over to come forward only to be revictimized, by lying diocese officials and those who turn away from Jesus' teachings by rallying around the lover of lies....THAT is what you do to the people of SNAP...THEY are VICTIMS who VOLUNTEER. AND when people hear that someone else is in the shoes they use to where....WE DONT LIKE PEOPLE to be alone. VICTIMS unite...JUST like the sheeple did....with a more honorable cause. WE care about children, safetly, your parishes...SUCH BLINDNESS. SO eager to stop your children and grandchildren from coming forward to tell you what may have happened by your ways....its so sad. JUST LIKE WITH OGRADY

     
  • Nancy Sloan posted at 12:13 am on Sat, Apr 21, 2012.

    N SLOAN Posts: 24

    DARRELL you claimed so much re: all your writtings here...and so much has been shown false. STOP attacking those People already raped and lied to and betrayed by "MEN of God" Stop attacking men and women who helped show the truth of what was covered up by your church. If the Church did the right thing...So very much could have been avoided. I remember meeting michael Kelly....He coldly said I know who you are. While many state he is so wonderful. I found him to be sarcastic, cold, and harsh. His running away from his trial and facing his accused....left Stockton holding the bag.

     
  • Nancy Sloan posted at 12:08 am on Sat, Apr 21, 2012.

    N SLOAN Posts: 24

    What comes around goes around...WOW.... If that were true there are some very happy victims thank you...
    However Unlike the twisted words of catholism you spout...MAY GOD Have Mercy on the souls of all those who were not there to support the survivor. Who didnt offer sympathy for those not involved in cover up for decades. Instead You attack thousands of victims. MATT 18:6

     
  • Ben Sanacore posted at 11:43 pm on Fri, Apr 20, 2012.

    Ben Sanacore Posts: 104

    Mr. Lennon, I wouldn't be at all surprised if SNAP is investigated some day. The day is coming when the injustice of this day will be cast in the dust bin of history. You may gloat all you want and you may hope to continue the persecution. What's really eating you up is that a majority of people polled by the LNS don't agree Fr. Michael Kelly was ever liable of anything and don't believe he ever committed a crime. You sound like you're now in some kind of post settlement depression. It's over! The plaintiff will get his dirty money. Get over it and find something better to do with you life. Above all else Mr. Lennon, rememember this: what goes around comes around.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 10:03 pm on Fri, Apr 20, 2012.

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    Continued...

    So take note future scam artists... see how easy it is to get millions...take about one year preparation... get a good coach for acting... make sure you stand up in court and have an emotional outburst that would make a rock melt... and the money is yours... no reason to fear public exposure... its all anonymous... no fear to worry about evidence to show you are lying... as 30 year old repressed memories cannot be refuted... No physical evidence is your advantage as there is nothing the defence can refute.
    Bay area Tim and SNAP after all... says they have never met a false accuser. So obviously, the scam artist will be able to fool all the child advocates and juries... easy money... since they will never believe you would lie.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 10:02 pm on Fri, Apr 20, 2012.

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    Tim the San Francisco bay area SNAP representative stated...The plaintiff stood up and called out a rapist and child molester Kelly. He recounted the abuse and injury he suffered at the hands of Kelly. Twelve members of this community found his accusation credible and believable.

    Yes Tim of San Francisco... a million dollar performance if there ever was one that the academy in Hollywood will admire. I have just as much evidence that this was a performance and acting as you do it was sincere... I'm sure . I just wonder how many days of coaching was needed by the expert ( coach Manly).

    Even you said that his outburst ( of scripted emotion) was the turning point in this case. Not the expert testimony...not the family of the plaintiff... no, it was an orchestrated planned outburst that captured the hearts, minds and compassion of the jury. The trial was over at that point... which is obvious since the jury did not bother to take but two brief hours to examine days of expert testimony. The expert testimony was irrelevant to the verdict.

     
  • Tim Lennon posted at 9:06 pm on Fri, Apr 20, 2012.

    Tim Lennon Posts: 45

    The Stockton diocese must be investigated by civil authorities for their proven endangerment of children and their protection of child rapists and molesters.
    Open the books of the diocese. Make known all the abuse.

     
  • Tim Lennon posted at 9:02 pm on Fri, Apr 20, 2012.

    Tim Lennon Posts: 45

    Eliminate the statue of limitations for those cruel adults who rape and molest little children. Let's put the rapists in jail.
    And let us double the criminal punishment for those who cover up the abuse of children such as the case with Kelly as the diocesan officials knew he was an abuser and did nothing. Any bishop who covers up sexual abuse of children should be thrown in jail for twenty years. You know O'Grady operated for decades abusing children with the full knowledge of bishops, including Cardinal Mahony.

     
  • Tim Lennon posted at 8:57 pm on Fri, Apr 20, 2012.

    Tim Lennon Posts: 45

    No amount of money can mend the cruel injury inflicted on a child such as Kelly's brutal rape and molestation of a ten year old child. The harm done to a child is a life long crippling injury. Your childhood is robbed of its wonder and exploration, social relations are deformed, depression and nightmares are constant companions, anxiety diminishes each day. Some victims are so overwhelmed that they sink into severe depression never to emerge to life only to try to cover their pain with drugs and alcohol. Others never see a way out and commit suicide.
    Why does the church pay? They would pay a large sum rather than have the truth of their disregard for the welfare of children become public. They would rather pay than have their high power, privileges and prestige tarnished. They would rather pay than have the Stockton, Modesto, Lockeford, etc. communities understand the breadth of clergy abuse in their communities. These church officials would rather pay than apologize to a person cruelly abused by Kelly when they knew Kelly was a threat to children.

     
  • Tim Lennon posted at 8:45 pm on Fri, Apr 20, 2012.

    Tim Lennon Posts: 45

    The plaintiff stood up and called out a rapist and child molester Kelly. He recounted the abuse and injury he suffered at the hands of Kelly. Twelve members of this community found his accusation credible and believable.
    Most child molesters are known to the victims. They take on the persona of friendly, nice and charming allowing them to gain the trust of the parents. They select the most vulnerable child as prey.
    This community will be safe from this predator due to the courageous efforts of the plaintiff. No longer will Kelly have access to children in this country.
    On the other hand we have high church officials, Bishop Blaire and Vicar General Ryan, dismissing and rejecting the complaints of child abuse by clergy. When are the parishioners going to voice their disapproval church officials covering for and overlooking child abuse?

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:15 pm on Fri, Apr 20, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Joe stated... are you still in Thailand....

    Yes, but I am scared to say so as the vicious SNAP representatives accuse me of being a pedophile because I am in Thailand and have voiced concern about justice in this case.

    The people of Thailand are wonderful and kind. It is called a Land Of Smiles because of the character and kindness of the people here. Such a shame that people with money as their god would say such terrible things obout this wonderful country.

    Joe, I hope you have had the opportunity to return to Thailand and experience the kindness and respect that these people deserve.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:08 pm on Fri, Apr 20, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    If I were a teacher, a coach or child care provider, I would be scared to death of the potential aftermath of this case... I will not be surprised to see teachers all over the country faced with repressed memory accusations since now it has been shown to be impossible to defend. If anyone thinks this was about the Catholic church and priests alone... I have a bridge to sell you... this was a stepping stone for riches that lawyers and others seeking money dreamed of... get ready for a ride.
    This is a sad day for justice and a happy day for vicious people who want money. As far as I am concerned, justice was raped in the Stockton court house in 2012.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:07 pm on Fri, Apr 20, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405


    Sandi Norman stated...Darrell, I can't pass judgment on the plaintiff...

    I can and do strongly... I do so to add a bit of balance to the hysteria that SNAP and many lawyers foster and promote in order to gain wealth. If Mike Kelly ( father Kelly does not exist) can be declared an absolute rapist, molester and child abuser by the lawyer and all child advocates ( which is absolutely passing judgment on Mike Kelly, then the only fair thing to do is respond in equal temperament and reasoning.

    Repressed Memory Syndrome should be banned from the court “NOW”.
    In my view, this is the beginning of something horrible and as you can see the vicious attacks and strategy employed, father Kelly was simply a casualty of a cause in the minds of these people. It did not matter if he was guilty or innocent... they wanted this case as a stepping stone to billions more.

    It was implied by two SNAP representatives that I was a pedophile simply because I spoke out for justice in this case and that I am in Thailand... they trashed the good people of Thailand and me just because of their cause...that is all they needed for the accusation. They are vicious and out for blood.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 7:24 pm on Fri, Apr 20, 2012.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1889

    Darrell Baumbach, are you still in Thailand? I spent a couple years flying out of Udorn Royal AFB in '67 & '68.

     
  • Ben Sanacore posted at 6:39 pm on Fri, Apr 20, 2012.

    Ben Sanacore Posts: 104

    The money wolves got their prey. Now they can gorge themselves on the big money jackpot. Now they can dance around the room in a money induced euphoria. Does anyone know how much SNAP will get for their hatchet job on Fr. Kelly and the rest?

    Looks like the Diocese decided to minimize the award rather than risk a higher award from the jury. The Diocese may have come to the conclusion that it's less costly to settle these cases than subject themselves to a jury system composed of people who believe Catholic priests are guilty just by accusation and no real evidence. It may feel good for the Diocese to get this behind them, but I have a warning for them. The money wolves will be back, because they always get hungry again. With the new precedence of success with a completely unproven theory of repressed memory, the money wolves now have the ability to bleed the Catholic Church dry.

    Evil never succeeds for long. It has its day, and then it is exposed and destroyed eventually. It's just a matter of time before people realize this injustice and rise up against it. The day is coming.

     
  • Sandi Norman posted at 5:22 pm on Fri, Apr 20, 2012.

    Sandi Norman Posts: 3

    Darrell, I can't pass judgment on the plaintiff. I don't know if it was a scam or just confused memories. My attempt here would be to limit what individuals could get monetarily from bringing a false accusation and provide that even if their case were legitimate, the money be used to help all victims, not just those of deep pockets. My opening paragraph was meant to show I don't believe justice was served here. I think it is terrible that anyone could bring a civil suit against someone for something that happened 20+ years ago. I know Fr. Kelly and I believe in his innocence. He will always be welcome to my home and to spend time with the children in my life. But the system is what it is. There will be many more lawsuits, not just against the church, but against any organization with deep enough pockets to support them. How can you prove you didn't do something or were not where someone said you were 20+ years ago? Not possible... I would just like to see the "prize money" go away and hope it brings us back to only cases that can be substantiated by more than innuendo.

     
  • paulette arana posted at 5:03 pm on Fri, Apr 20, 2012.

    paulie Posts: 3

    We all know this was about MONEY. I am sure I can find something 30 years ago in my past I can sue someone for.MONEY, MONEY, Shame on you!!

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 4:33 pm on Fri, Apr 20, 2012.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1889

    Hey, I went to a funeral at a Catholic church once, I am sure that I must have some money owed me for something. I just need to work on my "repressed memory" a little harder. I need a bigger fishing boat and a newer airplane, a couple million would do just fine.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 4:30 pm on Fri, Apr 20, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Not for everyone ...said Sandi...

    Of course not for everyone... it is obvious that it was not for everyone. Mike Kelly for certain was not a preist for the money or a defendent in this case for the money.
    For Manly and the Plaintiff, it was all about the money. For people who are biased and think if the man wears a black robe and white collar in the Catholic church, he must be guilty even though there is no evidence.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 4:20 pm on Fri, Apr 20, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Sandi Norman stated...However, in light of all this, let's all work together to get legislation passed that provides that all civil awards in sexual abuse cases be pooled into an account to help ALL people who have been sexually abused.

    Sandi... I'm sorry but you are extremely scary to me. Not one word about the scam that was just perpetrated on all of us “Repressed Memory Syndrome” and this unfair anonymous advantage the plaintiff has. It was a well intentioned law but adds fuel to the fire like in this case for someone to scam the system. The anonymous status puts the defendant at an extreme disadvantage.

    This should become a big political issue with politicians being held accountable. The idea that anyone anytime should have to defend themselves against a 30 year old so called repressed memory is absurd.
    Every person who works with children should be horrified and shocked at this case . I suggest anyone can be a victim of a person who wants millions and is willing to lie to get it... you should ask yourself... How will "you" defend yourself if you find yourself in court because someone said you did something to them 30 years ago.... impossible to defend... Kelly case prime example.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 3:58 pm on Fri, Apr 20, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Our Bay area friend Ms Bella posted... While the civil case is over, Manly said, his client, an airline pilot and military veteran, is still urging the state Attorney General and San Joaquin County District Attorney to investigate whether there was any criminal wrongdoing by the diocese.


    Why of course Ms Bella... your Bay area friend ( The anonymous plaintiff) wouldn't want anyone to perceive he was just in it for the money.

     
  • Sandi Norman posted at 3:52 pm on Fri, Apr 20, 2012.

    Sandi Norman Posts: 3

    Not for everyone. But if the real purpose was to remove Fr. Kelly from the ministry and to may the church pay, they have accomplished that, so there need be no more civil cases involving Fr. Kelly. Time will tell.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 3:52 pm on Fri, Apr 20, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Bella stated ...do not lecture me... indignantly...

    of course our Bay area friend... We know us lowly simpletons from the valley do not have
    your abilities or complex thinking skills that allows you to be so clear and certain that repressed memory syndrome actually exists.

    In fact, maybe you should hire yourself out to the Texas supreme court as they do not get it as well. I'm sure your omnipotent wisdom will prove to even help all the psychiatrists in the United States and especially Canada that disagree with you and do not get it.

    You obviously are beyond approach and wise beyond what we simpleton's can comprehend...Thank you so much for your kindness, patience and understanding of us mere mortals.

     
  • Bob Leonard posted at 3:43 pm on Fri, Apr 20, 2012.

    Bob Leonard Posts: 4

    It's very predictable that the Diocese would settle. With a jury who unanimously voted to find someone liable based on nothing but the controversial theory of repressed memory, why would the Diocese believe that same jury would render a fair verdict for them on whether they are liable? I am actually surprised Manly allowed this settlement. He got the perfect 10 woman 2 man jury he needed, and he clearly had them eating out of the palm of his hand.

    This settlement changes nothing. Father Kelly has not been found guilty of anything. He was found civilly liable and there is a huge difference. He wasn't even prosecuted criminally and contrary to what we continue to see in these articles and message boards, that had nothing to do with the statute of limitations. In California, criminal charges are able to be brought against someone up to 1 year after the crime(s) are first reported to a law enforcement agency, regardless of how long ago the crime(s) took place [California Penal Code section 803 (f) (1)]. He wasn't prosecuted criminally because law enforcement officials did not believe there was enough evidence to support the charges. To continue to intimate that this civil trial was the plaintiff's "only shot at justice" is misleading to say the least. This was his only shot at money, and a pesky criminal acquittal (admissible in civil court) could have placed that payday in serious jeopardy.

    And it is amazing to me how Father Kelly's detractors are able to type and say without equivocation that they know he is guilty. I would never type or say that about anyone in any situation unless I was 100% sure, let alone in this situation where the evidence, physical or otherwise, is so unimpressive. You are all THAT sure that Father Kelly is a pedophiliac rapist? Really? Based on one troubled soul's murky repressed memories from almost 30 years ago? I could see leaning one way or the other but absolutely sure? Objectively it makes no sense to take that leap. Seems to me that certain people have certain motivations, financial or otherwise, that seem to be clouding their judgment.

    I'm also really sick of posters here and elsewhere and certain Stockton Record columnists proposing or endorsing the theory that all of Father Kelly's supporters are simply blinded to the truth because they "like" Father Kelly. I can't speak for everyone, but I'll say this: I know Father Kelly and I don't believe he committed these crimes, but I'm also wise enough to know that anyone is capable of doing anything. If there was significant, credible evidence of his guilt, then my opinion would be different. There simply isn't. Regardless of where you stand on this, it's insulting to his supporters to paint us as saps who have simply been fooled by Father Kelly.

    Lastly, as far as polygraphs go, does anyone here really expect me to believe that the attitude of SNAP surrogates towards polygraphs would be the same if the plaintiff had taken and passed two of them and it was Father Kelly who had refused? Please.

     
  • Sandi Norman posted at 3:42 pm on Fri, Apr 20, 2012.

    Sandi Norman Posts: 3

    I continue to state that the plaintiff has not proven anything, and therefore the word guilty should never be used in connection with this case. A settlement is not an admission of guilt, it is merely conceding that there is no way to convince this jury so they better cut their losses while they can. Even if there were something to a report written in 2000, it would have no bearing on what anyone knew in 1985.

    However, in light of all this, let's all work together to get legislation passed that provides that all civil awards in sexual abuse cases be pooled into an account to help ALL people who have been sexually abused. The account can be used to hire investigators, prosecutors, judges, therapists etc who are all there to help victims. Limit the amount the victim can receive to their actual out of pocket expenses to prepare for and testify at the trial. Limit the amount the plaintiff's attorney can receive to a small stipend, not their usual exorbitant fees. The rest goes to provide services for victims of abuse. You rarely see cases in civil court for those who were abused by a neighbor, family member, or family friend, etc even though they encompass a vast majority of the victims, because there is no money to be had. These victims have to live with the pain and problems the abuse has placed in their lives without million dollar payouts. This will still punish the abusers and/or the organizations they work for, but not allow just a few to profit from it. I have heard repeatedly that no amount of money can take away the pain of what happened, so why not use it to do some good instead.

    While we are at it, let's make parents mandated reporters. Then they will have to take their complaints of inappropriate behavior to the police instead of the organization. This can help eliminate cover ups and/or the appearance of one.

    Before you blast me with the cases where there was proven abuse, please understand. I support efforts to stop abuse when and where it has taken place. I just have seen no proof it existed here. Fr. Kelly is not Oliver O'Grady or any of the others that were convicted, no matter what you try to make it.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 3:40 pm on Fri, Apr 20, 2012.

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  • Ronald Brown posted at 3:38 pm on Fri, Apr 20, 2012.

    gipper Posts: 116

    Of course, they would come forward. I have always said that these cases would come forward. I have mentioned numerous times before that "repressed memories" would continue to come forward after this case for the Diocese's money. It is an easier system than the lottery!!

    All cases will be reviewed, and the allegations will be investigated. In order to move forward with a criminal trial, the evidence and allegations must pass the burden of proof. It did not do this in the case, and that is why Manly moved to a civil trial. The same model will take place here. It looks as if the allegations will not meet the burden of proof test, and the new victim will file a civil trial and monetary damages!!

    Thanks to the belief of bogus theories of repressed memories versus medical expertise and facts, there will be a line of repressed memory victims a mile long. They will be all loking for their "share" of the Diocese's money...plain and simple!!


     
  • Ronald Brown posted at 3:27 pm on Fri, Apr 20, 2012.

    gipper Posts: 116

    Lawyer, Psychologist, Historian...you are a renaissance woman Ms. Clark. I now more about civil procedure than you do.

    The case that just ended will set the template for future case. Allegations will come forward. When the burden of proof is not met, the demand for a civil trail will begin.

    I guess it is great to know that thanks to simpletons like you and Mr. Reynard bogus theories like repressed memories will take greater weight over medical expert testimony.

    This system sure beats playing the lottery!!


     
  • Arabella Clark posted at 3:19 pm on Fri, Apr 20, 2012.

    Arabella Posts: 129

    Disgusting, and immature.

     
  • Arabella Clark posted at 3:18 pm on Fri, Apr 20, 2012.

    Arabella Posts: 129

    Do not lecture me, of all people, as to how criminal investigations work. I know too well how they work. All investigations start with complaints. New victims have come forward in the last two weeks: your boy Kelly is in big trouble.

    You are in complete denial of reality.

     
  • Ronald Brown posted at 3:03 pm on Fri, Apr 20, 2012.

    gipper Posts: 116

    Do not worry Ms. Clark. I am sure Mr. Manly and his firm have already pocketed the $1 million plus from this case . Manly is a shark in a suit, and he does not take prisoners. It is quite interesting to see that his firm is already pursuing the allegation and talking to the victim in the Calaveras case. I guess Manly has found his next potential meal ticket.

    Ms. Clark you have stated the allegations from Calaveras and San Andreas. At this point, that is all there are allegations. It seems you are a simpleton so I have to repeat this again and again. The statute of limitations in criminal cases is 10 years from the incident or one year from when allegations are filed. If authorities are able to have a burden of proof, they can press criminal charges. If not, they will have to move to a civil trial.

    In the Kelly case, the prosecution could not reach the burden of proof. Hence, authorities could not move criminally and move to a civl trial. He is following the same model that he did in the trial that just ended. He will try and appear that he wants to push for a criminal trial, but when there is no burden of proof that warrants a criminal trial he will start a civil trial.

    Manly and his firm stand little to gain financially in a criminal trial. His clients often do not pay him on an hourly basis. But they can tremendously through a civil trial where monetary damages can be awarded (his firm will collect 30-33% of the total monetary award).

    Do not worry Ms. Clark. I am sure the repressed memories and emotional embarassement of the victim is already gone as he has his large settlement. He will be up and flying in no time!! As for Manly, he is prowling in the water and looking for his next big payday.

     
  • Arabella Clark posted at 2:48 pm on Fri, Apr 20, 2012.

    Arabella Posts: 129

    From the Union Democrat:

    While the civil case is over, Manly said, his client, an airline pilot and military veteran, is still urging the state Attorney General and San Joaquin County District Attorney to investigate whether there was any criminal wrongdoing by the diocese.

    An investigation would examine “how he was allowed to stay in the ministry for 40 years when he was a clear and present danger,” Manly said. “The evidence at trial showed they knew he was a pedohle and they ignored it.”

    ________

    Manly and the victim he represented are correct. The Church must be held accountable for failing to tell the parishioners that Kelly had been sent to a psychiatric facility for six months for his issues with children.

    In Philadelphia as we speak, in a landmark national case, Monsignor William Lynne is being prosecuted for failing to do anything about predator priests under his watch.: http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2012/04/19/monsignor_abuse_investigation_fell_through_cracks/

     
  • Arabella Clark posted at 2:39 pm on Fri, Apr 20, 2012.

    Arabella Posts: 129

    Just out from the Union Democrat:

    http://www.uniondemocrat.com/News/Local-News/Catholic-Diocese-of-Stockton-settles-molest-claim-for-375M

    The flight came also as Calaveras County Sheriff's Department investigators were attempting to build a case that Kelly molested at least one youth in Calaveras County while leading St. Andrew's Church in San Andreas between 2000-2002.

    The alleged victim was brought to the county's attention by a Newport Beach law firm which is also representing the Stockton victim.

    Sheriff's investigators this week said they have received several reports from alleged victims, including at least one from Tuolumne County.

    ----

    "At least one from Tuolumne County": That would be when Kelly worked at St. Patrick's in Sonora between 1987-1997.

     
  • Arabella Clark posted at 2:28 pm on Fri, Apr 20, 2012.

    Arabella Posts: 129

    But in a statement released through his attorney, the alleged victim called on law enforcement officials to investigate how Kelly was allowed to stay in the ministry after it was clear he posed a danger to children.

    Read more: http://www.kcra.com/news/30930027/detail.html#ixzz1scMIAd00

     
  • Bruce Reynard posted at 1:43 pm on Fri, Apr 20, 2012.

    Bruce Reynard Posts: 60

    Nice of the Diocese to pick up the tab for Father Kelly. I wonder if Corpo della Gendarmeria dello Stato della Città del Vaticano will hop over to Ireland to retrieve the molester Kelly in the dead of night?

     
  • Bruce Reynard posted at 1:41 pm on Fri, Apr 20, 2012.

    Bruce Reynard Posts: 60

    http://bit.ly/Ityf9E

     
  • Ronald Brown posted at 1:08 pm on Fri, Apr 20, 2012.

    gipper Posts: 116

    Not offensive Mr. Reynard, and my statement is true. I guess we will have to agree to disagree on this.

     
  • Jeff Bennett posted at 1:06 pm on Fri, Apr 20, 2012.

    Jeff B Posts: 5

    Mr. Reynard stated: "It is outstanding that the Diocese has acknowledged their culpability and that of Father Kelly"... How exactly did they do that?

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 12:45 pm on Fri, Apr 20, 2012.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    Assuming the attorney gets the average 33%, this leech wound up with $1.2375 Million. On the next "victim", this fee was chump change for an attorney of his caliiber.

     
  • Bruce Reynard posted at 12:23 pm on Fri, Apr 20, 2012.

    Bruce Reynard Posts: 60

    Perhaps the Diocese will begin to take child molestation seriously for a change. Hopefully the evil will be pinched off at the source. If money is the only approach that the Church will pay attention to, then so be it.

    The "good" that they may be doing is far outweighed by the evil they have allowed.

     
  • Bruce Reynard posted at 12:20 pm on Fri, Apr 20, 2012.

    Bruce Reynard Posts: 60

    It is outstanding that the Diocese has acknowledged their culpability and that of Father Kelly, It is unfortunate that the insurance company bears more than half of the impact.

    Seems to me that the Diocese needs quite a bit of incentive to consider their methods of cover up, and to punish Vicar General Monsignor Richard Ryan, Bishop Stephen Blaire and diocese attorney Paul Balestracci for their deplorable handling of the situation.

    I'm glad that the victim will have some of the incredible stress of the trial removed from his shoulders, and hopefully his family and friends will be able to support him in the decompression from the trial!

     
  • Bruce Reynard posted at 12:14 pm on Fri, Apr 20, 2012.

    Bruce Reynard Posts: 60

    Patently offensive. Grow up.

     
  • Ronald Brown posted at 11:41 am on Fri, Apr 20, 2012.

    gipper Posts: 116

    This should read:

    It is just a matter of time before other repressed memories start tricking through the Diocese of Stockton

     
  • Ronald Brown posted at 11:34 am on Fri, Apr 20, 2012.

    gipper Posts: 116

    $3,750,000 will sure help the repressed memories and emotional embarassment disappear.

    I guess he will be up and flying again in no time!!


    It is just a matter of time before my repressed memories start tricking through the Diocese of Stockton....


     
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