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David Nielsen

Traci Winters

Daryn Alsup

Posted: Monday, February 20, 2012 12:00 am | Updated: 7:44 am, Wed Feb 22, 2012.

David Nielsen was being interviewed on Sunday by a Sacramento TV reporter about Lodi’s new Rainbow Project organization when a man disrupted the interview and shoved the TV camera away.

“He’s the reason why we need to come to meet,” Nielsen said at the beginning of Sunday’s organizational meeting of the group of gays, lesbians, bisexuals and transgendered people.

The LGBT group was officially named the Lodi Rainbow Project by a vote of the dozen people who attended Sunday’s meeting at the Lodi Public Library conference room. The group plans to provide an open, safe and inclusive space committed to educating Lodi-area residents about the gay community, according to the group’s mission statement.

The group is needed because Lodi has many more gay residents than the community realizes, said Nielsen, who is known in the community for battling gang activity in Lodi’s Eastside.

“At least 150, at the top of my head,” Nielsen said, when asked how many LGBT people he’s aware of in Lodi.

The Rainbow Project is not intended to be a “dating society,” Nielsen said, and they won’t flaunt their sexual preference.

“It’s not about recruiting,” he said. “It’s not in-your-face behavior. We want to make sure gay citizens are the best they can be.”

The Lodi Rainbow Project was formed in December by Lodi resident Oscar Orozco Orejel to provide gays referrals to help gay people. They include organizations like the San Joaquin County Pride Center in Stockton; the county Department of Fair Housing; the Trevor Project, a national organization providing crisis intervention and suicide prevention services to LGBT people; and an organization called Parents, Families and Friends of Lesbians and Gays.

A dozen gay people and their supporters, ranging from a Tokay High School sophomore to an 81-year-old woman, gathered in the conference room at the Lodi Public Library to determine its goals and purpose. Orejel asked everyone at the beginning of the meeting to treat each other with peace, love, unity and respect.

A longer term goal is for gay Lodi residents to be accepted for who they are.

Traci Winters, 44, who is living in Lodi for the second time, said she hopes to get Lodi residents who aren’t accepting of gays to come out of their comfort zone.

“(Personal) growth begins when you reach the end of your comfort zone,” Winters said.

That comfort zone can include any aspect of your personal or professional life, not just sexual orientation.

Winters said she got out of her own comfort zone by attending Sunday’s meeting because she didn’t know anyone who was present or exactly what the group wanted to do.

“I could have stayed home and done something else,” Winters. “I would never have met these wonderful people.”

The Rainbow Project also elected officers, discussed registering with the state as an official nonprofit organization, established tentative meeting dates, and planned a picnic at Lodi Lake and a charter bus trip from Lodi to the San Francisco Gay Pride Parade in June.

Orejel was elected chairman, Nielsen is vice chairman, Daryn Alsup is secretary/treasurer, Traci Winters and Chris Beach are also treasurers, and Cole McLean is Tokay High youth liaison.

A woman was also elected community liaison, but she requested that she not be named publicly until she discusses her involvement with the Rainbow Project with family members.

The next Rainbow Project meeting will be at 1 p.m. March 18 at the Lodi Public Library, 201 W. Locust St. The public is invited.

Contact reporter Ross Farrow at rossf@lodinews.com.

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51 comments:

  • Chalon Roberts posted at 7:58 am on Mon, Feb 27, 2012.

    Chalon Posts: 21

    Roy, because. Contrary to popular beliefs, there is no national or international gay organization that we all belong to. There are many groups that look out for different interest like, Human Rights Campaign (HRC), Stonewall Democrats, GOProud (a conservative GOP group), Log Cabin Republicans, EQCA and many more. My feeling on that flag is someone thought "hey heres a way to make a buck" they have also done it to the California (and every other state) flag and yes I personally wouldnt own one. You also wont see an equal sign, triangle or rainbow on my car, thats just me.

     
  • roy bitz posted at 9:25 pm on Fri, Feb 24, 2012.

    roy bitz Posts: 489

    Two questions and a comment:
    1. Why would Mr. Nielsen say the US gay flag is our National Flag but with the red and white stripes changed to rainbow colors if this is not so?
    2. Is the city of Lodi leadership ok with people or entities using the city logo to promote it's agenda?

    I think the Lodi Rainbow Group can do a lot of good for members and for the city---if the are sincere and respectful members of the all.

     
  • Chalon Roberts posted at 9:39 am on Fri, Feb 24, 2012.

    Chalon Posts: 21

    Ok, First and foremost the so called "gay flag" is just a Rainbow from red to purple. I know Mr. Nielsen says the Stars and Strips with a rainbow 13 strips is the Gay American flag but its just an homage to the American flag by people not ashamed to be gay and American. I will say that it does make me cringe a little when I see it, I understand its purpose is just to show how enamored they are, but it still could portray some disrespect to some. There are also some churches who are completely welcoming of gay people that have also changed the Christian flag to add the rainbow. When you understand what the messenger was attempting to convey it can become a somewhat mute point. I guess the point it that gay people come is all shapes, sizes, backgrounds and personalities. We ourselves are a very diverse cuture who sometimes dont get along with our own subgroups, and I find that sad. Yes, gay people discriminate against other gay people.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 2:41 am on Thu, Feb 23, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Roy stated...Does anyone else out there care that our Nation's banner---our flag--has been hijacked?

    For me Roy, I do not feel offended. I personally do not think of it as anything related to the flag I salute. For me, it has little value negative or positive. I see it as free speech to say something. I also would not offended that others may be offended. How sad that Mr Crowder is so intolerant that he has to refer to people who are offended as bigots... He in my view is a microcosm of what is wrong in America. I personally appreciate your perspective that resulted in you being offended even though I am not.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 2:19 am on Thu, Feb 23, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Mr Crowder stated...I'm sure all the bigots are offended.
    How dare gay people take pride in their country.

    Hummm... Does that mean that all people who are offended are bigots?
    Can someone be offended and not be considered a bigot in Mr Crowder's mind?

     
  • Andy Crowder posted at 9:35 pm on Wed, Feb 22, 2012.

    Andy Crowder Posts: 244

    Hijacked?
    No, I don't see it that way.
    It shows LGBT pride in America.
    I'm sure all the bigots are offended.
    How dare gay people take pride in their country.

     
  • roy bitz posted at 9:09 pm on Wed, Feb 22, 2012.

    roy bitz Posts: 489

    Does anyone else out there care that our Nation's banner---our flag--has been hijacked? I did not realize there was a "gay flag" until Mr. Nielsen educated me.
    The US gay flag is also our Nation's flag but the red and white stripes are now rainbow colors.
    I am highly offended by this. Am I the only one on this blog who is offended?

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 4:40 pm on Wed, Feb 22, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Ms Bobin, are you disputing that in ancient times, that some people in science thought it was a fact that the world was flat?

    Lets say you are right for argument sake.... the point is that as science progresses and new variables are discovered, what was known as a fact changes. Just as in non scientific issues, where new variables are added to knowledge, what was considered a fact is now no longer a fact. That is my main point.

    I know you enjoy taking people off point, I thought I would help get you focused on what
    is pertinent to the subject matter...

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 3:51 pm on Wed, Feb 22, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4308

    Mr. Baumbach wrote: "It was a scientific fact many years ago that the world was flat... then new variables surfaced that changed that fact..."

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

    "Scientific fact?" Sorry, Mr. Baumbach, for my psychotic laughing fit. Gotta get those meds refilled, or not.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 12:44 am on Wed, Feb 22, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Chalon Roberts posted at 6:15 pm on Tue, Feb 21, 2012... As long as Darrell is defining facts and has refused to answer as to specifics about his statements earlier... then said... Lets just agree that facts are not in anyway in the eye of the beholder, Facts can be proven...

    It was a scientific fact many years ago that the world was flat... then new variables surfaced that changed that fact...

    it is a fact that I have not refused to answer any question on this thread... in your eye, I have refused to answer questions?... Is it not more accurate and friendly to say, in your opinion, I have not answered questions and I say in my opinion, I have not refused to answer questions...
    In my view, facts are without question, in the eye of the beholder as each person has different information and data in which to draw a conclusion that something is a fact.
    In addition, as time goes by, and new information presents itself that changes what was thought to be fact, old information is shown to be anything but a fact.

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 11:08 pm on Tue, Feb 21, 2012.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    "David Nielsen was being interviewed on Sunday by a Sacramento TV reporter about Lodi’s new Rainbow Project organization when a man disrupted the interview and shoved the TV camera away."

    Unfortunately there are people out there that are simply ignorant and will do a lot more than push a camera away.

    I sincerely wish you all the best with the Lodi Rainbow Project! It's really a good thing you are doing here in Lodi.

     
  • roy bitz posted at 10:40 pm on Tue, Feb 21, 2012.

    roy bitz Posts: 489

    The Rainbow project has already begun educating me.
    I had no idea there was a gay US flag and that the gay US flag is " Old Glory" but with rainbow stripes in place of red and white stripes.
    This is a news flash to me and I am astonished any group would adulterate our flag.
    In my view the US" gay flag" disrespects our Nation's flag.
    What say you folks.

     
  • Chalon Roberts posted at 6:15 pm on Tue, Feb 21, 2012.

    Chalon Posts: 21

    As long as Darrell is defining facts and has refused to answer as to specifics about his statements earlier, lets define facts... Darrell says "Facts to me are in the eye of the beholder". Lets just agree that facts are not in anyway in the eye of the beholder, Facts can be proven, without proof a facts is not a fact and just a bunch of nonsence.

    Free Dictionary.com defines "fact" as

    1. Knowledge or information based on real occurrences:
    2. a. Something demonstrated to exist or known to have existed:
    b. A real occurrence;
    c. Something true or real:

    And while this is a comment section for discussion about parts of the articles written on this site it is not the "oppinion section" as Darrell seems to think, nothing on this page says oppinion except Darrells tag line at the end of his so-called facts. These are comments for discussion and discussion would include supporting your facts

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 3:12 pm on Tue, Feb 21, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Ms Bobin stated...Opinion (from thefreedictionary.com) "A belief or conclusion held with confidence but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof."

    I guess we now need to define what positive knowledge or proof is... in my view, since fact, proof and validation is entirely based on the evidence at the point in time one is considering "truth", that most everything is opinion. Truth and reality today can be immediately changed simply by uncovering a new variable that was not apparent at that time.

    For example, I might think Ms Bobin a venomous person today because of the numerous examples she has provided over the course of time that substantiates this as a possible fact. However, maybe in the future, it might be uncovered that she had a mental disability all along and was not venomous. That is why I would prefer to consider most all posts as opinions and not fact. Facts to me are in the eye of the beholder. In Ms Bobin's case, since she so often filters out many variables that would give her a more accurate reality, everything she says should be considered a partial opinion and never a fact, even if it accidentally were one.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 11:16 am on Tue, Feb 21, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4308

    Mr. Baumbach wrote:

    "It is my opinion and nothing I can prove."

    and

    "Why thank you Manuel! Since this is an opinion forum, what else would one expect?"

    Opinion (from thefreedictionary.com) "A belief or conclusion held with confidence but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof."

    "not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof" certainly defines Mr. Baumbach's "opinions." Manufactured from whole cloth is perhaps more appropriate.

     
  • Ross Farrow posted at 9:43 am on Tue, Feb 21, 2012.

    Ross Farrow Posts: 104

    Oops! Sorry about the mistake on the date of the next meeting. I just corrected it.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 5:14 am on Tue, Feb 21, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Manuel Martinez posted at 4:51 pm on Mon, Feb 20, 2012.. Darrell Baumbach posted at 4:06 pm on Mon, Feb 20, 2012.
    "It is my opinion and nothing I can prove."
    This practically serves as your catchphrase as it is the core of every post you have made on these forums since I met you...

    Why thank you Manuel! Since this is an opinion forum, what else would one expect? I respect your “opinion”.

     
  • Lodi Project posted at 11:31 pm on Mon, Feb 20, 2012.

    LodiLGBTQProject Posts: 7

    Thanks Roy! Citizens of Lodi ARE leading the effort. And the big purple circle with the rainbow grapes in it is very familiar and recognizable to Lodians. The international gay flag is a rainbow flag. The US gay flag is an American Flag with Rainbow stripes replacing the red and white stripes. So our Local logo is not unlike our national logo in spirit. We should have included a black grape and a white grape for prosperity sake. And Darrell's suggestions are not only helpful...but very appreciated. He makes valid points that are sensitive and should be carefully considered at our next meeting. ( Which is Sunday March 18th at the public Library) The story misprinted the date as the March 17th.

     
  • roy bitz posted at 9:48 pm on Mon, Feb 20, 2012.

    roy bitz Posts: 489

    The logo Mr. Nielsen uses on this blog looks a lot like the Lodi CIty logo--to me.
    At first glance I thought the Rainbow Pride group was a City initiative because it bore the City logo.
    Good marketing idea---give folks the impression the city is leading the effort.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:37 pm on Mon, Feb 20, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Mr Roberts stated...I would ask that you, Mr. Baumbach ge out of your bubble and meet with a few people.

    I think Mr Roberts does not understand my point. I am not in a bubble. I am actually attempting to help this group succeed in Lodi. If you read the mission statement I posted as I would have written it, you would see I am stating this group is starting out on the wrong foot and should amend its mission statement to be more constructive and positive.
    As I have stated of previous threads, over the years I have found people who describe themselves
    as “g a y “ to be kind, generous and wonderful people . My neighbors for 10 years in Stockton were gay and were good neighbors who were were kind to my family.
    I am hoping to educate this group that if they desire to have maximum success in Lodi, that they should
    Take a different approach and not alienate people by assuming they are bigots.

     
  • Chalon Roberts posted at 7:25 pm on Mon, Feb 20, 2012.

    Chalon Posts: 21

    As a gay man I never thought I would have to deal with my boyfriend yelling and screaming at sports on the tv... this is what he just posted on his Facebook...
    "Dang, Lin goes for 21 and Melo only 11. Guess thats not Melo's team anymore. come on Knicks how are you guys gonna whoop on the Heat like that. Wanna see Lin and Labron throw down in the playoffs." Really, does someone have a translator for this???

     
  • Andy Crowder posted at 7:14 pm on Mon, Feb 20, 2012.

    Andy Crowder Posts: 244

    Kurt Roberts says, "Call me old-fashioned, but respect must be earned. You do not get my respect by just standing up and saying your gay, . . ."

    Every human being must prove to you that they deserve respect before you treat them respectfully? Is that the Christian way? Or were you just speaking of people who are different from you?

     
  • Chalon Roberts posted at 7:03 pm on Mon, Feb 20, 2012.

    Chalon Posts: 21

    sorry for the multiple post had to figure out where to change wording so it would post.

     
  • Chalon Roberts posted at 7:02 pm on Mon, Feb 20, 2012.

    Chalon Posts: 21

    Agresssion towards people associated with this group happen everywhere, but when people are able to live their life freely and openly as g a y and l e s b i a n it creates a community.

    I would ask that you, Mr. Baumbach ge out of your bubble and meet with a few people. Just remember, just as in the straight community there are many people of different personalities. Some are strong voices, some are meek, some speak softly but weild a big stick (words). We are as diverse as you. We go to church, like you. We believe in God, like you. We have struggles, like you. the only thing different is who we cuddle with while watching Once Upon a Time, American Choppers, Glee or in my house Sports Center. (kinda glad football is over I am finally not a Sunday Widower). You have often been one to say that people need to expand their box or step out of it, I would challenge you to do the same. Come to the MCC church in Stockton and be open to learn a different Christian perspective.

     
  • Chalon Roberts posted at 6:59 pm on Mon, Feb 20, 2012.

    Chalon Posts: 21

    Now, do you have questions about whether or not these citizens of Lodi suffer in Lodi? I think its pretty clear. Did people of this organization go to his home or work? The simple answer is no. He came to them. He invaded their meeting. He attacked an observer, not even a member or participant. I wish we knew more about this incident and what was on this guys mind.

     
  • Chalon Roberts posted at 6:59 pm on Mon, Feb 20, 2012.

    Chalon Posts: 21

    Mr. Baumbach wrote: "They are approaching the citizens of Lodi with the expectation that the people of Lodi will engage in violence and harassment". I ask you to just read the first sentence of the article.

    ...David Nielsen was being interviewed on Sunday by a Sacramento TV reporter about Lodi’s new Rainbow Project organization when a man disrupted the interview and shoved the camera away....

     
  • Lodi Project posted at 6:20 pm on Mon, Feb 20, 2012.

    LodiLGBTQProject Posts: 7

    Dear Darrell, Lodi is the very very best city in all of California. In the 23 years I have resided in Lodi..I have NEVER been approached negatively for being gay and think highly of all the residents. Some of the elected officials are my personal and close friends. The Citizens are amazing and Lodi can boast many attributes including home of the wine cooler, 1st A&W, CCR, and being the Zin Capital of the world. With that said- the mission statement addresses those who condemn, general societal negativity ( Prop8 a perfect snapshot of 2nd class citizenry), and uneducated judgemental individuals like the one who interfered with Fox40 news during the interview. I get your point....and I hope you understand we all share a love for Lodians. You are welcome to join us...you are a thinker and we LOVE thinkers! The rainbow Project is based on PLUR for everybody. We ARE trying to publicly add an additional amenity to town. TKY kid is right..We want Lodi to shimmer...maybe a few bugle beads, better landscaping, litter pick up, potted plants and paint....You know how we are with the gardening...LOLOLOL!

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 5:03 pm on Mon, Feb 20, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4308

    I think that the overall problem with Mr. Baumbach is that he does not have the ability to read, think, read, digest, read, comprehend. And then re-read.

    What this mission statement is saying, and perhaps it needs to be edited to make it clearer to those like Mr. Baumbach who seem to be threatened by it, is that many people do not understand WHAT CONSTITUTES harassment, what constitutes violence.

    I'd be willing to bet that there are many in this community who make "gay" jokes that include the usual anti-gay lingo (no need to give examples, I think everyone can think of at least ONE that they have heard or repeated) or heard or made comments that included their thoughts on what should be done to gays in order to "straighten them out." To believe that these things do not exist in this community is to lie to one's self and their neighbors.

    Those who engage in bigoted comments and jokes about the gay community have no ability to recognize that what they are saying and doing is wrong. They think it is normal and right. I think we all recognize at least one person in our circle of familiars who is in this category.

     
  • Manuel Martinez posted at 4:51 pm on Mon, Feb 20, 2012.

    Manuel Martinez Posts: 641

    Darrell Baumbach posted at 4:06 pm on Mon, Feb 20, 2012.
    "It is my opinion and nothing I can prove."

    This practically serves as your catchphrase as it is the core of every post you have made on these forums since I met you...

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 4:50 pm on Mon, Feb 20, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4308

    Question from Mr. Baumbach: "Then who wrote their mission statement? Why do they treat people in Lodi like they are bigots?"

    Answer from Mr. Baumbach:

    "This is an “in your face” aggressive group that intends to educate all citizens weather you want education or not. Nothing in their mission statement sounds peaceful and loving. Nothing in their statement do they show an appreciation for the citizens of Lodi... no... this is a very hostile and aggressive group that will undoubtedly provoke education as they see it... I think we are in for a real education."

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 4:15 pm on Mon, Feb 20, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Mr Farrow stated...If you were to meet these people, you would find that they are not confrontational or "in your face."

    Then who wrote their mission statement? Why do they treat people in Lodi like they are bigots?

    I think the people in Lodi are kind and generous as a whole. To suggest that this group needs a safe haven simply to hold a meeting suggests they perceive Lodians as bigots. I think the citizens of Lodi are better than that and welcomes this group with open arms. To suggest that Lodians will engage in violent activities just because this group meets is outragious in my view.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 4:06 pm on Mon, Feb 20, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Statement from Ross Farrow...I don't see where you get the idea that this group plans any violence and harassment

    Statement from Darrell Baumbach from which Ross basis his statement... "Since they are expecting and anticipating violence (mindset), it is likely they are planning future events where this activity will likely happen."

    No where did I state that they were (consciously) planning the violence themselves... that is a subjective conclusion you draw Ross. I am specifically talking about a mindset that this group has. I stated they were planning events...not violence... and at these events, they would draw to them what their mindset envisions. This is something in my experience that I have observed happening in the past.
    It is my opinion and nothing I can prove.

     
  • Ross Farrow posted at 3:40 pm on Mon, Feb 20, 2012.

    Ross Farrow Posts: 104

    Darrell: I was quoting you directly — "Since they are expecting and anticipating violence, it is likely they are planning future events where this activity will likely happen." If you were to meet these people, you would find that they are not confrontational or "in your face."

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 3:19 pm on Mon, Feb 20, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    When you state in your mission statement that you recognize violence and harassment from Lodi citizens is expected, it demonstrates an expectation and an inevitable outcome.
    continued...

    If I had drawn a mission statement, I would have stated something as follows:Our group is committed to an educational process that results in harmony and respect between our members and the community of Lodi. We intend to mingle and participate in community events and demonstrate how diversity in Lodi is an advantage to all. Respect is earned and we intend to earn it in a constructive positive way. We know the people of Lodi are generally accepting to many and we are excited, enthusiastic and optimistic about developing a healthy relationship with it's citizens.
    In my experience, you often get back what you expect. If you expect others to be violent and hostile , that's what you draw in. Their mission statement says they expect to get violence. They have a very negative mind set.

    When you expect peace and love, you normally find that as well. I was extremely disappointed in how this all played out. . But when you insist that you need a safe haven in Lodi to even meet as a group, when you state that the people of Lodi will be educated even though it is likely violence will result one way or the other, it is all a very bad start.

    I suggest if this group wants to succeed, they begin by showing a bit of respect and appreciation for the people in Lodi and not treat them as if they are all bigots and country hicks.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 3:15 pm on Mon, Feb 20, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Mr Farrow stated...Darrell Baumbach: I don't see where you get the idea that this group plans any violence and harassment. After attending the meeting and talking for some time afterwards, I can tell you that there's nothing to indicate that. They are not expecting violence, either. However, they're looking for mutual respect...

    Mr Farrow, I do not see where “you” get the idea that I think this group plans violence or harassment. My comments and observations were specifically about this groups mindset, attitude and perception of the people in this group and what they think of the people of Lodi.

    I welcome this group and very much hope they succeed. However, I resent their attitude about the people of Lodi.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 2:09 pm on Mon, Feb 20, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4308

    I think, Mr. Roberts, that the "mission" has been well stated and the Lodi Project does not intend to have any scantily clad individuals parading down School Street or any "in your face" flaunting despite some comments here. Their community service agenda sounds generous and offers some much needed assistance in Lodi.

    Hope Lacey is doing well.

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 1:34 pm on Mon, Feb 20, 2012.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 1880

    Joanne: That was kind of what I thought. Did the archive search myself a few times. Was just curious.

     
  • Kurt Roberts posted at 1:27 pm on Mon, Feb 20, 2012.

    Kurt Roberts Posts: 55

    Sounds to me like this group is just trying to gain respect for LBGT" people. Call me old-fashioned, but respect must be earned. You do not get my respect by just standing up and saying your gay, I couldn`t care less personally. One suggestion, do not glorify the perversion and debauchery that is the San Francisco gay pride parade, if you wanna gain my respect, step 1 is distancing yourselves from that kind of behaviour.

     
  • Lodi Project posted at 1:15 pm on Mon, Feb 20, 2012.

    LodiLGBTQProject Posts: 7

    I'm David Nielsen- Vice Chair. Thank you Ross for all the time you gave us and the terrific story. And Thank you Joanne for representing the voice of kindness and reason. The Rainbow project is a "no brainer" when it comes to what we are organizing. It is just about resources and outreach. Acknowledgement that we are part of the community and acceptance. Our mission statement is meant to be inspirational- not condemning or fore shadowing. We are coordinating PFLAG for the parents and kids, getting free safe sex literature and free HIV testing for the whole community, have 8 churches in support ( Even though we KNOW there is at least 1 gay in every church congregation in town..probably hiding..and trying to worship), being Christmas angels for Lodi Adopt a Child, and offering a seminar the staff of the Lodi boys & Girls club to educate them on crisis intervention for bullying. We plan to clean and walk the alleys of east Lodi and live a peaceful harmonious existence with the rest of the citizens. The article is informational. You ALL must have a coworker, friend, neighbor, police officer, fireman, gang member, pastor, or alike that is gay or bi somewhere around. This group is to give them some support and a chance to make a difference in their community. PLUR!

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 12:06 pm on Mon, Feb 20, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4308

    Thank you to Mr. Farrow for posting an appropriate and well-stated follow-up to this article and comments.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 11:59 am on Mon, Feb 20, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4308

    Mr. Paglia:

    No, I don't have time to bookmark and/or copy and paste postings from LTE's or comments, nor would I use up precious memory on my laptop for this purpose.

    I have a pretty good memory (especially when a letter writer quotes me), and one only need do a search on the LNS website archives to find Mr. Baumbach's letter or another topic that was covered (including comments). Enter "Darrell Baumbach" in the search box (I did have to go to "advanced search" and change the setting to "all") and voila! There are many of Mr. Baumbach's LTE's from the past year.

     
  • Ross Farrow posted at 11:03 am on Mon, Feb 20, 2012.

    Ross Farrow Posts: 104

    Chalon Roberts: I just called the Lodi Police Department, and they said no officers were sent to the library and they have no information on the incident.

     
  • Ross Farrow posted at 10:32 am on Mon, Feb 20, 2012.

    Ross Farrow Posts: 104

    Darrell Baumbach: I don't see where you get the idea that this group plans any violence and harassment. After attending the meeting and talking for some time afterwards, I can tell you that there's nothing to indicate that. They are not expecting violence, either. However, they're looking for mutual respect.

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 10:31 am on Mon, Feb 20, 2012.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 1880

    Off topic here:

    Joanne, I have noticed that you often quote posts that are months or more old. Are you book marking all those or do you copy and save everything written by some posters for future use?

    Just curious since I have seen you do this often.

     
  • Chalon Roberts posted at 10:13 am on Mon, Feb 20, 2012.

    Chalon Posts: 21

    One question to LNS and Mr. Farrow, Will there be a follow up article on the physically agressive guy and to what point he was making? I would be interested to hear his point of view.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:43 am on Mon, Feb 20, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4308

    Just in case you, Mr. Baumbach, thought that the LNS choice of your "comment of the week" was a signal that you should go forth and spread your hate speech, it was no doubt chosen for its innate ability to concisely illustrate the bigotry that exists in this community and the small-mindedness to some of its citizens.

    Apparently you do not read the entire LNS - many organizations' meetings are announced in the paper, but it seems only this organization is objectionable to you.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:38 am on Mon, Feb 20, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4308

    It is quite amazing that Darrell Baumbach, just six months ago, wrote this LTE:

    "During the last year, I have participated in making comments online at Lodinews.com. I have been very surprised that some very well-educated people, who claim to live in Lodi, post comments that indicate a very bad impression of the general population of Lodi.

    I wanted to get feedback from residents in Lodi to either validate or refute what is being said. You can go to the Lodi paper online and register. I encourage you to voice your opinion on my letter, or respond by writing a letter of your own.

    Some feel that racism is a prevalent problem in this city. Some feel that large numbers of people here are bigots and do not welcome diversity in Lodi. One poster repeatedly states that she sees bigots around every corner in Lodi.

    Personally, I think the people of Lodi are generally warm, friendly and welcoming of people who are different than themselves. I see Lodi as a good place to live and bring up family compared to many other places.

    My questions are: What do you perceive, how do you see the people here in Lodi, what experiences do you have, or do you respect the environment in Lodi as I do, or do you have concerns?

    In general, do you see bigots around every corner or do you see kind people who want good for others and their family?

    Darrell Baumbach

    Now he is spewing the most vile, hateful bigotry against a group that only seeks to promote positive images of the extensive LGBT community in Lodi.

    I guess, Mr. Baumbach, you have answered your own question. Bigotry, in the form of the living Darrell Baumbach, exists in Lodi.

    Mr. Bitz: I'm surprised that you, one of the few voices of reason in this forum, have bitten the poison apple that Mr. Baumbach wishes to disseminate to the Lodi community. Can you detail the "agressive and somewhat hostile attitude" that you perceived in this mission statement?

    Or is it just the "gay" music to which you are opposed?

     
  • Chalon Roberts posted at 9:37 am on Mon, Feb 20, 2012.

    Chalon Posts: 21

    Mr. Bitz and Mr. Baumbach, to what are you refering, in your opinion is "Agressive"? I see from previous post on other threads that opinions seem to more important than any thing else.

     
  • roy bitz posted at 9:25 am on Mon, Feb 20, 2012.

    roy bitz Posts: 489

    I believe Darrell has it right.
    In my view, the group's rambling mission statement contains many positive ideas but also reflects an aggressive and somewhat hostile attitude."
    "It's the music---not the words".

     
  • Chalon Roberts posted at 9:04 am on Mon, Feb 20, 2012.

    Chalon Posts: 21

    Having grown up in Lodi since first grade having gone to Vinewood, Sr. El and Lodi High and having gone to and been a member of First Baptist Church Since the way back days of pastor Dingfield and others I can tell you that hate runs deep in this community. People fear what they dont know or understand. I was made to feel ahamed and I was told many many times in sermons that I was going not going to heaven and would never see my parents or family again in the afterlife. Now, being the tenacious person I am I have grown and researched my journey with God and know that he accepts me for who I am. You see, as you research the Bible you come to realize that man changes the words of the Bible to suit himself and what he does not understand.

    I see no where where this group says they will be aggressive, in fact Mr. Baumbach's words are agressive in their nature. Words can equal death they are detrimental to the well being of people of all ages. How many people know of a gay person? How many do you know? Mr. Nielsen says he knows of 150, there are so many more than that here and many many more in the closets and cellars. Many people have this idea that gay people are these images they see on the tv every June, a few of us are that but we are so much more than that one image. We are your Realtors, your Restaurant owners, your plumbers, electricians, carpenters, mechanics, wine makers and more. We come in all shapes and sizes, we dont fit into any specific box that some people are so fast to say. Get to know us, give us that fair chance to be ourselves around you I promise you already know us.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 1:59 am on Mon, Feb 20, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    http://www.lodiproject.com/OurMission.html

    In the mission statement it states... We recognize that this work requires a continued process of understanding and addressing all forms of prejudice, bigotry, harassment, and violence in order to promote diversity within the city of Lodi. We are committed to this process both in our work and in the structure of the Project itself …

    So this is this attitude and perception the leaders of this group have. They are approaching the citizens of Lodi with the expectation that the people of Lodi will engage in violence and harassment in the process of “EDUCATING” people as to what they are all about. They begin this process with a heavy chip on their shoulder and dare you to knock it off in order to bring this education to light.

    This group that wishes to meet is not here to hold meetings and talk among themselves. They originally stated that they needed to provide a safe haven for its members to meet. Since they are expecting and anticipating violence, it is likely they are planning furure events where this activity will likely happen. This group wants to actively engage and confront the public to accept them as they are no matter.

    This is an “in your face” aggressive group that intends to educate all citizens weather you want education or not. Nothing in their mission statement sounds peaceful and loving. Nothing in their statement do they show an appreciation for the citizens of Lodi... no... this is a very hostile and aggressive group that will undoubtedly provoke education as they see it... I think we are in for a real education.

     

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