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Posted: Thursday, July 14, 2011 12:00 am | Updated: 6:04 am, Fri Jul 15, 2011.

You can feel the years John "Jack" Virtue has toiled on the land and worked with livestock the minute you shake his hand. His grip is firm, but his palms are callused, and his fingers tan and weathered from decades in the sun.

Soft-spoken and weary after waking up long before sunrise to begin his day, Virtue glances around the front of his yard, where cows gnaw on hay and cats slink under a truck to avoid the afternoon heat, before he begins to talk about his line of business.

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42 comments:

  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:30 am on Sat, Jul 23, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    good one!!!!!! Have a good day!!

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 10:43 am on Fri, Jul 22, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    posted at 1:05 am on Fri, Jul 22, 2011...I know that you'll read this and you'll post "no comment". That is good enough for me.

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 1:05 am on Fri, Jul 22, 2011.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    Darrell: I can see why someone like you would continue to write no comment on every thread here, as you lose every debate, but it just makes it clear that you post ridiculous comments and assertions that you cannot back up with any measure of integrity. I know that you'll read this and you'll post "no comment". That is good enough for me.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 10:36 am on Thu, Jul 21, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    no comment

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 9:37 pm on Wed, Jul 20, 2011.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    Darrell: I can see why someone like you would continue to write no comment on every thread here, as you lose every debate, but it just makes it clear that you post ridiculous comments and assertions that you cannot back up with any measure of integrity. I know that you'll read this and you'll post "no comment". That's good enough for me.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 1:28 pm on Wed, Jul 20, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    and like I said... " No comment"

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 9:51 pm on Tue, Jul 19, 2011.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    Like I said. LOL!

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:48 pm on Tue, Jul 19, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    posted at 6:49 pm on Tue, Jul 19, 2011I know that you will read this and you'll post "no comment".


    " No comment "

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:45 pm on Tue, Jul 19, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    posted at 6:49 pm on Tue, Jul 19, 2011as you lose every debate, but it just makes it clear that you post ridiculous comments and assertions that you cannot back up with any measure of integrity...

    ah...ummm...hummm................".no comment"
    "

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 6:49 pm on Tue, Jul 19, 2011.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    Darrell: I can see why someone like you would continue to write no comment on every thread here, as you lose every debate, but it just makes it clear that you post ridiculous comments and assertions that you cannot back up with any measure of integrity. I know that you will read this and you'll post "no comment". That's good enough for me.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 5:49 pm on Tue, Jul 19, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    no comment

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 5:44 pm on Tue, Jul 19, 2011.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    Run, Darrell, run...

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:02 am on Tue, Jul 19, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    I see that Darrell is avoiding the question, as usual..

    Wrong again... not avoiding a question... as your questions are not questions... no furthur comment.

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 5:35 pm on Mon, Jul 18, 2011.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    I see that Darrell is avoiding the question, as usual.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:52 am on Mon, Jul 18, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    posted at 3:57 am on Mon, Jul 18, 2011...Steve Schmidt: Well said. I agree


    of course!!!!!!!!!!!!! ( smile ) I am shocked (smile)

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 4:03 am on Mon, Jul 18, 2011.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    ...pertaining to food safety and the Virtue issue?

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 4:02 am on Mon, Jul 18, 2011.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    Darrell wrote, "...sometimes many Federal compliance issues seem so unnecessary. Since some laws are made for political reasons rather that “whats right”, we are bound to get regulations that hurt rather than help."

    Darrell: Which federal compliance issues are unnecessary and hurt rather than help?

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 3:57 am on Mon, Jul 18, 2011.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    Steve Schmidt: Well said. I agree.

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 3:56 am on Mon, Jul 18, 2011.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    "According to court documents, the FDA claimed that after 17 years of failing to comply with a section of the Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act, it was time Virtue made some changes." - LNS

    Now, why in the world has it taken 17 years for the FDA to deal with Virtue's noncompliance?

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 4:27 pm on Sun, Jul 17, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405


    Steve stated...Mr Baumbach's post is just further evidence that those on the far right have taken complete leave of both their senses and their ethics.

    No Steve, the only conclusion to draw is that your conclusions are not related to the comments made. .. I said I welcome oversight... This has nothing to do with far left or far right politics. It has to do with the best way to protect society. I think the regulation should be more regional where as you think it should be Federal. I think regulations and enforcement of them are more effective and less political when people making the regulations are from the area that make them. It also is easier to fight local regulations when it turns out that the regulation was unfair in an instance. That’s why I think Federal regulations are “many times” heavy handed.
    Honest Steve, the people on the right have children too... These people want safe food just as people on the left. There is disagreement as to how to achieve that. It's like the right wing is a boogie man to you... “Boo”... “Boo-get-ty Boo” Oh My!!

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 3:00 pm on Sun, Jul 17, 2011.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2570

    That should read "no bones in THEIR arms and legs".

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 1:45 pm on Sun, Jul 17, 2011.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2570

    Mr Baumbach's post is just further evidence that those on the far right have taken complete leave of both their senses and their ethics.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 1:44 pm on Sun, Jul 17, 2011.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2570

    HEAVY HANDED????

    The man was selling beef that was tainted with more than half a dozen chemicals including TETRACYCLINE. What sort of "complaints" do you want before the government can protect us from this "businessman"???

    Do you need a dozen kids born with no bones in your arms and legs? Would that be enough for you to let the government to move against this criminal???

    Personally I am glad that the FDIS is here to protect us from men like yourself and Mr Virtue who simply don't care who they endanger in their pursuit of the almighty dollar.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 12:45 pm on Sun, Jul 17, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    As the case of the ironically named Mr Virtue so vividly demonstrates, business does need oversight

    I think you need to read more carefully Steve... much more carefully. Not once did I say the food industry did not need "oversight"... I think that your knee jerk response shut down your thinking process. I welcome oversight especially in products like "food". I do not welcome " Federal" heavy handed regulation where one size fits all. In this case, where not one complaint was presented, it appeared to be heavy handed. I am curious about your assertion that it is under regulated. can you articulate what you would like in more regulation from the Federal regulators.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 2:35 pm on Sat, Jul 16, 2011.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2570

    Undoubtedly, some sections of the economy have too many regulations. Many other sections simply need better regulations and then there are those sections, like food and toy safety that are grossly under regulated. To make an uninformed knee-jerk response like you did at the beginning discussion, however, is not just foolish, it is irresponsible.

    As the case of the ironically named Mr Virtue so vividly demonstrates, business does need oversight. In the end, however, you may very well get your wish in the end since the lunatics in Congress, as part of their crusade against safety regulations, have sought to almost completely defund the FSIS. I hope you like the taste of tetracycline in your hamburger.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:15 am on Sat, Jul 16, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    I am sure Mr Virtue agrees with you. ..

    Yes... and so does "millions" of others... Like the Lodi's Java Coffee Shop might think government regulations go too far as well. A balance protecting society in a reasonable fashion is called for. I think you make good points about the need for government to protect the safety of society. However, as usual, you fall off the “left” cliff...way off.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 3:24 pm on Fri, Jul 15, 2011.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2570

    Darrell wrote: "I find it hard to believe though that anyone thinks we are not overregulated."

    I am sure Mr Virtue agrees with you.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 2:55 pm on Fri, Jul 15, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Steve, if what you uncovered is true, I then would be thankful that the regulations are there. These are the types of issues that we need enforcement of. I find it hard to believe though that anyone thinks we are not overregulated.

     
  • Doug Chaney posted at 2:28 pm on Fri, Jul 15, 2011.

    Doug Chaney Posts: 1232

    Now, Mr. Scmidt, what makes you think the livable, lovable Lodi News-Sentinel would leave any facts, especially THE important ones, out of their unfforgivable and jocular globe and enquirer style so-called newspaper? With the turnover in reporters and staff, there's only one that does his homework and is well infformed when writing his articles, and that is Mr. Guinn. I tend to think that seemingly the owner/son/editor are guilty of not allowing the whole story to be told so their articles always favor those who are on their "hands off" list. I am hoping that the new website, Lodi360.com will successfully bring the real truths from honest citizens and send this family newspaper either into oblivion or force them to publish the truth and facts, especially concerning the corruption and greed practiced, seemingly, by the good ol' boys, city hall, corruption, well-connected and wealthy who give the 3 amigos their directives.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 2:00 pm on Fri, Jul 15, 2011.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2570

    One wonders how the LNS could possibly have missed these important details. I think congratulations are due to the FSIS for a job well done.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 1:58 pm on Fri, Jul 15, 2011.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2570

    From lexology.com: "According to the complaint, FSIS identified in defendants’ veal calves desfuroylceftiofur, gentamicin, neomycin, penicillin, tetracycline, sulfadiazine, and sulfamethoxazole. While the latter two drugs have never been approved for use on any animals, the remaining drugs have NO LEGAL TOLERANCES approved for use in calves, according to FSIS. The agency contends, “Defendants have a long history of illegal drug residues in the edible tissues of the veal calves they sell for use as human food.” The defendants were purportedly warned repeatedly in writing about their failure to comply with the law and about poor record-keeping practices. Despite these warnings, “defendants persist in introducing adulterated food into interstate commerce.” The complaint also alleges that defendant John Virtue stated that he was unwilling to correct the illegal practices thus creating “a cognizable danger of recurrent violation and AN INTOLERABLE RISK TO PUBLIC HEALTH"

    http://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=593dd772-c288-451c-843a-f351300211ed

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 1:55 pm on Fri, Jul 15, 2011.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2570

    It is interesting. For whatever reason, the LNS appears to have omitted several important details from this story.

    From the Central Valley Business Times: "A permanent injunction has been issued against John Virtue, doing business as Virtue Calves, and Shannon Virtue for selling veal calves for use as food that CONTAIN ILLEGAL DRUG RESIDUES in violation of federal law. They had been cited for illegal drug residues in veal calves sold for human food...... Previous FDA inspections of the Virtue operations found RECURRING VIOLATIONS of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act that defendants failed to correct."

    http://www.centralvalleybusinesstimes.com/stories/001/?ID=18802

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 1:08 pm on Fri, Jul 15, 2011.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2570

    That said, since you seem so incensed about this particular regulation, perhaps you can post the actual text of the regs here and then point out which sections, specifically, you object to. That might provide an actual frame for discussion.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 1:06 pm on Fri, Jul 15, 2011.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2570

    Darrell wrote: "In this particular situation, this man has not had one complaint and is suffering the heavy hand of the regulators. "

    This reminds me of the proverbial drunk driver who argued that he should be let off the hook because he hadn't killed anyone "YET".

    I don't think a requirement for basic record keeping is un "business friendly".

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 11:06 am on Fri, Jul 15, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Steve Schmidt posted at 10:38 am on Fri, Jul 15, 2011...you may be right but the ones mentioned in this article are not among them and thus your comment is irrelevant to the issues at hand...

    Steve, if you can compose yourself, can you please expand on your thought. I was asking for balance, not deregulation of this regulation. In this particular situation, this man has not had one complaint and is suffering the heavy hand of the regulators.
    Are you saying that this regulation in this situation is perfectly written? Are you saying that there is no possibility for balance here where food safety can be maintained and regulation altered to be more business friendly?

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 10:38 am on Fri, Jul 15, 2011.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2570

    As for your assertion that there are regulations on the books that do not contribute to safety, you may be right but the ones mentioned in this article are not among them and thus your comment is irrelevant to the issues at hand.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 10:35 am on Fri, Jul 15, 2011.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2570

    I'm sorry, Darrell, it seems you did not understand my post. I was not laughing at this serious issue, I was laughing at the absurdity of your knee jerk conservative response to it.

    After a decade of increasing contamination related fatalities, there is a clear consensus in this country that we need more food safety, not less.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:44 am on Fri, Jul 15, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    chuckle???????????????????

    Steve, very bad form to make light of such a serious issue. I stated that food safety is a concern. That is obvious.

    I maintain that there are regulations on the books that do not help safety in any way. I encourage you and your like minded friends to consider a balance between safety, regulation and good business environment.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 9:03 am on Fri, Jul 15, 2011.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2570

    Chuckle... Please Darrell, I encourage you and your friends on the far right to make your stand in opposition to food safety.

    Perhaps you would prefer that we match our food inspection process to the Chinese model where thousands of infants die because the government doesn't care if manufacturers put poison in their formula?

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:13 am on Fri, Jul 15, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405


    While there were no reports of people getting sick, court documents stated that Virtue failed to keep adequate records of his business

    Not one report of a problem. Not one... Maybe we should change that saying from... Land of the free to land of the shakedown and regulated. I agree with Steve that we need safety in the foods we eat, but sometimes many Federal compliance issues seem so unnecessary. Since some laws are made for political reasons rather that “whats right”, we are bound to get regulations that hurt rather than help.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 11:19 am on Thu, Jul 14, 2011.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2570

    While I understand that these regulations may be inconvenient for Mr Virtue, good record keeping practices are essential if we are to insure that our children are not eating diseased or drugged meat.

    I have met Mr Virtue in passing and he certainly seems like an upstanding citizen but we live in a world where less scrupulous individuals might well use a business like Mr Virtues to "launder" cattle that should not be used for human consumption.

     
  • Ann Smith posted at 10:28 am on Thu, Jul 14, 2011.

    Ann Smith Posts: 23

    I understand that he loves his job but how can he say he loves taking new born bull calves to slaughter. Dont get me wrong, I love beef and was raised on a ranch where we slaughtered our own animals for food. How can someone say they love doing that?

     
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