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City officials still in the dark about Wal-Mart's plan for Supercenter

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Posted: Thursday, July 10, 2008 10:00 pm

Ten days after the most recent deadline, Lodi city officials say they're still waiting to hear from Wal-Mart on the future of a proposed 226,000-square-foot Supercenter.

Officials had expected direction from Wal-Mart on how and whether the project would go forward by the end of June.

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26 comments:

  • posted at 3:10 pm on Wed, Jul 16, 2008.

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    patton1, Boy are you right on that one. The cities are extremely greedy. Galt is the worst. If you want to do business in Galt, look for another city. They will bleed you dry if you let them. Lodi is not far behind. The deficits are creating voracious confiscatory behavior. They are taking large amounts of money, from new businesses, for permission.

     
  • posted at 3:05 pm on Wed, Jul 16, 2008.

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    CC, It is a cost of doing business to them. Wal-Mart's executives have concluded that it is in Wal-Mart's interest to build a Super Center in Lodi. All of the other pin heads that think that we do not need one, really do not know. They think that they are smarter than the Wal-Mart executives themselves. Really they are just expressing their opinion. The real answer lies in the result of the success of that investment. These exclusionary efforts, by competitors and arrogant, pretentious, elitists, make the community worse off. Who is next? KMART?

     
  • posted at 7:41 pm on Mon, Jul 14, 2008.

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    Thanks for the help Falcon.. well gob or not, I think ( and remember this is a place to express opinion -so dont' get your panties in a twist people) I think everyone here needs to get behind the effort to find the right community development director. The economy is slow, but it isnt' dead and we need someone who has foresight and will also look out for the city in case the council oversteps its rights.. I always thought the proprosed walmart fees to counteract the drain on downtown business sounded like a shakedown.. why walmart went along with it is a mystery to me.

     
  • posted at 7:21 am on Sat, Jul 12, 2008.

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    Walmart realizes that they will get sent back to court if they proceed. Also, the city manager is asking for 1 million in extra fees. The days of extorting business that way is over due to the economy.

     
  • posted at 6:15 pm on Fri, Jul 11, 2008.

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    I remember when the present Wal-Mart opened. It was crowded with merchandise, but cleaner than it is now. It's very cluttered now.The Stockton supercenter is more roomy, but messy and crowded. It's not worth the gas money to go there, since the meat and produce isn't as fresh or, many times, as cheap as it is in the local grocery stores. Shelved food items, refrigerated items and frozen items are cheaper, though.I agree that our grocery stores will be okay if Wal-Mart opens a supercenter. They'll still offer items and service that Wal-Mart can't.

     
  • posted at 3:46 pm on Fri, Jul 11, 2008.

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    bjp.. Heare Heare.

     
  • posted at 3:32 pm on Fri, Jul 11, 2008.

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    In response to Scrutiny's comment that Lodi would become a ghetto just like Stockton, that's not going to happen. Stockton was a ghetto before the original Walmart was built and the SuperWalmart just brought more of them out of the woodwork. Lodi is not a ghetto, never has been and never will be. And as for T&c's comment that he/she doesn't understand what is wrong with the current Walmart, that tells me he/she is someone who does not spend very much time inside the store. If he/she did, you would see the aisles are cramped and it's hard to get around with all of the merchandise on display. Besides that, the store is getting old.As for the grocery store issue, it may hurt the surrounding stores at first but I think things will die down and everything will go back to normal. Stores like Safeway and Raley's have their regular customers who refuse to shop anywhere else. Food4Less may feel a little pinch because in my opinion with the exception of their produce they really aren't that cheap. Plus all the Lodi people who go to the Stockton SuperWalmart to buy their groceries can now come home.

     
  • posted at 3:24 pm on Fri, Jul 11, 2008.

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    A lot of good it has done for Wal-Mart. The anti Wal-Mart people are "useful idiots" with very little ability to even slightly comprehend Wal-Mart's sophistication and benefit to a community. It is way over their heads and they parrot the union tripe verbatim. This being said, they profess to have the greatest understanding of the economic functions of a company of this magnitude. The loss to many is substantial and the UI's do not care or just do not know.

     
  • posted at 3:16 pm on Fri, Jul 11, 2008.

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    Don`t get me wrong, Wal-Mart would be great for the East side! If they`d just open up a Tattoo parlor and Discount beer and cigarette counter up front, then Eastsiders wouldn`t even have to go inside!!

     
  • posted at 3:15 pm on Fri, Jul 11, 2008.

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    CCinlodi.. Good old boys. It is a term that people use to think that inside deals and favors are passed along between good old boys in high places to big dollar business people.

     
  • posted at 3:00 pm on Fri, Jul 11, 2008.

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    T & C, I don't have anything against a super Walmart, why do you keep implying that? I'm only asking the same question many others are asking, what's wrong with the Walmart here now? Super Walmart is going to build in Lodi on their own terms, not any terms or conditions set by some little farm town wannabes. You don't understand that, do you? You can blame your own city council for apparently promising things they can't or won't fulfill and maybe that's why Walmart isn't returning their calls. Again, T & C, the name thief, I just really can't understand why you, common, realty and observer get so upset when I refer to the gob's and now the dark side? Does it bother you that much? Then put me on ignore. Otherwise come up with some solutions of your own. You're always complaining about the city and the buses and illegals and I guess that's ok, huh? I'd expect that from one who complains as much as you do and yet all you can blog about is someone obsessed with the dark side and gob's. I'll pray for you tonight and hope I can put just a little twinkleinyoureye.

     
  • posted at 2:21 pm on Fri, Jul 11, 2008.

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    Hey T&c... lwet me explain it in simple terms so even "YOU" can understand! THE GROCERY store chains Don't want a super wal-mart because that means for the SAME HIGH PRICED groceries many families buy, they can BUY them cheaper at wal-mart, thus saving money for more important things such as rent, and gas for the car! The major websites and groups fighting wal-mart are UNION backed grocery store chains! What a SHOCK! This country is based on free enterprise and competition! You, papercut and edumacation can pay high prices at the grocery chains, but I won't!

     
  • posted at 11:55 am on Fri, Jul 11, 2008.

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    oops, I meant east and south. Plenty of room. One drawback right now is Caltrans and roadwork for an additional left turn lane. Sounds like someone shot themselves in their own foot on this issue.

     
  • posted at 11:52 am on Fri, Jul 11, 2008.

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    I still don't understand what's wrong with the Walmart you have here now? Why not just dump some of that Chinese merchandise that doesn't sell, remodel and expand west and south. There's plenty of room and the existing building looks like a dump already anyway. Still, why's no one talking about what they'll do with the existing building when they move? I believe the original contract calls for it to be 100% leased before relocating, per planning comission and council.

     
  • posted at 10:12 am on Fri, Jul 11, 2008.

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    Go away Wal-Mart!!!!!! Lodi does not need to be ghetto-ized like the Stockton Supercenter!!!! Stockton allowed ONE Supercenter, waited, then realized its mistake! Now they have a 100,000 sq. ft. limit on these monstrosities! Lodi can learn from Stockton`s mistake!

     
  • posted at 8:51 am on Fri, Jul 11, 2008.

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    Oh my gosh, Lodi is an upper end community someone wrote! Has that writer toured Lodi lately? "Keep Lodi Lovable Little Lodi" A saying from the past again. We are in need of tax money at every turn of the corner and still that tax money is spent out of town.This is reality of the story.

     
  • posted at 8:10 am on Fri, Jul 11, 2008.

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    Personally, I would like the old wal-mart turned into an "ICE" Detention and deportation center but I know it isn't going to happen here or anywhere else in california.

     
  • posted at 7:33 am on Fri, Jul 11, 2008.

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    I must say, if we lose the new Walmart, we will have nobody to blame but ourselves. We put up one obstacle after another to the point that it is no wonder Walmart would want to throw up their hands. I have lived in Lodi since 1990 and the lot proposed for the new Walmart had been vacant all that time so to call it "prime farm land" to me is a but ridiculous since nobody has been farming on it. The land is just sitting there as an eyesore and needs to be used for something. As for the people complaining that the new Walmart would hurt the Downtown businesses, again I must disagee. The downtown area is a collection of specialty stores that sell things you can't find in Walmart. If I were looking for a bridal gown I would go to The Elizabeth, not Walmart. If I wanted a diamond ring I would go to John Borelli Jewelers, Walmart sells diamond, but you can't see them because they are so small. Finally, I think the old Walmart building should be turned into a bowling alley so kids have someplace to go.

     
  • posted at 7:00 am on Fri, Jul 11, 2008.

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    what is "GOB"?

     
  • posted at 5:47 am on Fri, Jul 11, 2008.

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    Paperweight, Now it's the Dark Side and wealthy? It's obvious that you've fallen on your head way too many times. I would guess the idiotic, caustic words you constantly use, must ooze out of your mouth when you take your helmet off. Don't get insulted, but is your day devoted to spreading ignorance? I was going to say your comments are stupid, but that would be an insult to stupid people. You never have anything positive to say, regardless of the subject.

     
  • posted at 4:21 am on Fri, Jul 11, 2008.

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    Oh no, papercut, aka edumaction, and aka T&c! First the city hall was filled with GOB's! Now they're filled with "The dark side"! Is this a Stars Wars saga? You crack me up! Too many star wars I think! What you are imlying is that Johnson is the only GOB on the city council! I thought the mayor and ALL the city council were GOB's! You need to get your story straight! Quit confusing us with different accusations, you are making us laugh too hard so early in the morning!

     
  • posted at 3:24 am on Fri, Jul 11, 2008.

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    Nice to hear from you two representatives for the dark side, observer and realty. You are good cheerleaders for yourself. If you two know so much, tell us why Walmart isn't returning your calls, ladies and gentlemen? Walmart got your gall? If they pull out of the deal and move to the county, they'll leave the gob's and their cheerleaders like you and realty to wallow in your own mud and show all of Lodi what incompetents you really are. If you think Lodi is going to come out of this cheap, you better think again. We'll see who has the egg on their face by the time this deal is done. And I'm betting it'll be you, observer and realty, and your cheerleading for the gob's will have been all for naught.

     
  • posted at 2:53 am on Fri, Jul 11, 2008.

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    right on observer! pc is smoking those funny cigarettes again. his prediction that johnson will be out in nov is ridiculous. johnson is one of the few level headed people on the council - one who is needed to off set the perpetual pandering of the mayor!

     
  • posted at 2:37 am on Fri, Jul 11, 2008.

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    Papercut, you'd better get your money back from these people you're paying for up to date information. You aren't even close.

     
  • posted at 2:34 am on Fri, Jul 11, 2008.

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    As usual, the papercutting taxpayer has no idea what he is writing about. The property in question hasn't been by local individuals for over five years. Walmart has probably already purchased their own pad. Walmart makes business decisions. Not decisions shrouded in emotion, supposition and rumor. The only accurate statement contained in the above post is that "they'll move when they're ready".

     
  • posted at 2:09 am on Fri, Jul 11, 2008.

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    City officials and council still in the dark? When were they ever out? $250 million in debt and trying to lure new businesses here? That's why they're called the "dark side" around town and represent only the wealthy and gob's. Just guess who owns all that land? That'll show you who the same old players are and I don't blame Walmart a bit for distrusting that group of people. They'll move when they're ready and will make those money boys squirm in their boots for a while. Good luck, dark side, looks like the cash tide is gone since you got rich on the housing and building scam that those like you caused it to crumblewhile many of those on council aided by passing those three new developments before they were ready. Johnson will be gone in November and the council will level out.

     
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