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Posted: Friday, May 8, 2009 10:00 pm

There were only a few customers wandering the lot at Sanborn Chevrolet on a rainy and overcast afternoon two weeks ago.

And with all the unpleasant news about the auto industry - Chrysler declaring bankruptcy, General Motors killing the Pontiac brand, and slumping sales that have hurt the entire industry - one would expect the mood inside the showroom to reflect the weather outside: pretty bleak.

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  • posted at 11:37 am on Thu, May 14, 2009.


    jramagic: Isn't it interesting that most Amercan vehicle manufacturers can build a semi tractor truck that can easily run 200,000 miles with little more than preventive maintenance, but when Americans build cars, they brag they "can" get 30,000 miles before major overhauls. Maybe consumers are tired of the hype and lies. Regarding the comment about the sales con job techniques. I jut buy one year old. This saves on the huge first year depreciation, and you don't have to deal with the lying in the showroom.Cash always talks louder than words. LOL Most dealers make their big bucks on the add-ons, financing and bogus insurance contracts.

  • posted at 1:59 am on Thu, May 14, 2009.


    Our 90s-era Toyota and Honda drive us to work every day and seldom ever see the repair shop. Both have 150k+ miles. I love the way some of the American cars look...but I fear their long-term reliability and repair costs...not to mention the inconvenience. It seems to be in their DNA. The Toyota and Honda just seem designed and put together better; albeit less exciting. If I do buy an American car, it will likely be a Ford.

  • posted at 5:36 pm on Tue, May 12, 2009.


    it is tough all over. hopefully things will turn around for the automotive industry. i myself am an old timer (30 plus years)of this auto business since i have been 18 yrs old. never saw this coming,thats for sure.

  • posted at 6:12 am on Tue, May 12, 2009.


    Foreign car games and tactics are no different.

  • posted at 4:11 am on Tue, May 12, 2009.


    Cogito 6:30. I agree. What you experienced is called LYING. Many car salesmen don't know the difference between lying and selling. When you hear them talking, its time to go. When they start asking questions, it's time to go. I have head it with the "turn over" con, the "sweet pea" con, the "four-square" con, the "bring your spouse" con, worthless add-ons, the "guy in the tower", financing charades, over-priced insurance cons. I have seen many of them. Yet the dealers will trot around with a smug look on their faces pretending they don't know about the con games.I will stick to vehicles made anywhere but America.

  • posted at 3:57 am on Tue, May 12, 2009.


    great american trucker: I agree! I only bought American until I got tired of getting burned by lying salesmen and "get rich quick" service departments. I vote for "NO more lying and cheating" auto dealers. Never buy American. Also, never use a Dealer service department. I have saved tens of thousands of dollars as a result. I have never had to return a non-American car for work for anything but preventive maintenance. It's ironic that those same American manufacturers and dealers who knowingly LIED and CHEATED me over the years are now whining because I won't trust them!Why should I have to see the "factory zone representative" to learn why the paint peels off a NEW car only days off the lot? Oh..."all cars do that!" peeling paint? Why aren't these dealers embarrassed by the junk they sell? It's rotten design, careless construction and sociopathic salesmen. Dealers know they are selling junk, but sell it anyway.Look at the fantasy of the 100,000 mile LIMITED warranty. Most non-American made cars can easily go 100,000 miles without bragging about it.

  • posted at 5:20 am on Mon, May 11, 2009.


    My opinion or name-calling a generalized industry is not libelous.It's protected free speech. If LNS is going to ban such comments, at least have someone do it with a law degree so they know what they're doing.

  • posted at 5:03 am on Mon, May 11, 2009.


    I see my comments got banned. I guess we're not allowed to tell the truth on these blogs.

  • posted at 5:50 pm on Sun, May 10, 2009.


    davidd...Saturn is a GM vehicle, why can't you take it to Sanborn?

  • posted at 1:30 pm on Sun, May 10, 2009.


    Next time you buy a car people, do it through Costco. You buy it through the fleet manager, no salesman. Last time I bought a car, I went to the dealership, told the salesman what I wanted, and what I wanted the price to be. He bluntly told me it wasn't going to happen. The very next day, I went through Costco online. That same dealership called me, gave me all the options I wanted PLUS an upgrade package on the tires and wheels. They came in at $1000.00 UNDER the price I offered the salesman. I said hello to him that evening as I was sitting there signing the papers. It was a great thing.

  • posted at 11:10 am on Sun, May 10, 2009.


    I wasn't going to say anything, but since Dyan brought it up, I'd say he's right on the money. Look up Geweke on BBB's website and prepare yourself for some interesting reading. These clowns have ripped off just about everyone I've ever known who was foolish enough to do business with them. The wife of a friend had her car towed there after a no-start problem. They charged her $700 for a diagnostic and a new battery. They truly enjoyed taking advantage of gullible people, and I'm sure they slept like babies at night.Car salesman can beam and boast all they like about their agressive tactics, but frankly, I know a sociopath when I see one.To all those Chrysler and GM dealership employees who have or are about to get your pink slips, I say to you, ADIOS SUCKERS! Do reflect on those you have lied to and ripped off all these years, and don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out, OK?

  • posted at 1:37 am on Sun, May 10, 2009.


    PFFfffftt. A $75k Mustang. That's nice. I'd like to believe that Americans have finally come to their senses and now seek reliable, reasonably-priced transportation instead of overpriced, shiny go-fast toys intended to impress people they don't know, and ironically, don't even care about.We all know what works and what doesn't. I refuse to buy overpriced, unreliable junk anymore. The wife and I drive 4WD Jeep products, nothing else will do. They're heavy, unsophisticated, boxy, antiquated, bouncy, noisy and uncomfortable, but when you turn the key, they flat-out WORK. We demand reliable transportation that will take you to hell and back without any excuses. If Chrysler/Ford/GM would focus on inexpensive, reliable transportation, they would do just fine.Good luck to all new car salesmen/women around here. We plan to run our paid-for Jeeps for the next 20+ years. They're overbuilt and with excellent maintenance, will likely outlast the two of us, the way it should be.

  • posted at 5:34 pm on Sat, May 9, 2009.


    I'll agree with you on buying a Toyota or Honda. I tried to do my part and buy American, 2 Dodge pickups and with less then 30,000 I've had them into the shop more times then I can count and now with no Dodge dealer in town I also will have to go out of town to have it worked on. I dumped one and bought a Honda and not a lick of trouble. I can't wait to be able to afford to dump the other one.And there saying there quality is up to snuff with Toyota, sure can't prove that by me.

  • posted at 12:45 pm on Sat, May 9, 2009.


    Zamora closed the Saturn dealership in Stockton, moving what was there to Modesto. I love my Saturn, but now to have it serviced I have to take it to Modesto or Roseville. :(And while that was happening, GM is happy to say that everything is okay and Saturn commercials say "we're not going anywhere".Time for me to buy a Toyota or Honda.



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