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Lodi City Council delays holding vote on climate action plan

Residents worried about city’s connection to world government initiative

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Posted: Thursday, September 8, 2011 12:00 am | Updated: 5:48 am, Thu Sep 8, 2011.

The Lodi City Council halted an item on its consent agenda Wednesday night after almost a dozen local residents questioned the science behind global warming and raised concerns about the city being connected to an organization tied to Agenda 21, a United Nations initiative they say is trying to create a socialist, worldwide government.

The council was deciding whether to spend $120,000 in federal grant funds to hire a consultant to draft a climate action plan.

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30 comments:

  • Jose Ornelas posted at 4:24 pm on Sat, Oct 22, 2011.

    AynMan Posts: 1

    Whether Agenda 21 becomes implemented or not the source problem still remains. Local zoning rules are there to be hijacked by planners at every moment, whether your building a mother-in-law or starting an at home business. This is part of the many reasons our economy continues to flounder, the tools people need to solve problems are denied to us.

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 1:45 am on Mon, Sep 12, 2011.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    Kim Paragoris wrote "But did you notice in the Visa commercials last Olympics? Morgan Freeman's voice on the commercial, not saying "Go America" but "Go World"! How ridiculous is that? We are being programmed."

    Joanne Bobin responded, "It's this mindless thinking that generates these "one world" theories. In case someone didn't know, VISA is a global corporation that serves customers worldwide - thus the "Go World."

    -----------------------------------

    Thanks for bringing Kim back to earth on that one, Joanne. It was a real "out there" statement. It's hard to believe that some people really think like that.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 3:58 pm on Sun, Sep 11, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Andy... no one answered your question because it was silly.

     
  • Andy Crowder posted at 12:57 pm on Sun, Sep 11, 2011.

    Andy Crowder Posts: 245

    Looks like the Tea Party brain trust has rested its case. The City Council will need look no further than Karen's post for evidence as to the validity of the group's concerns.

    Since no one has responded to my question regarding any feelings of personal responsibility towards their neighbors or future generations for our shared environment, I'll take that as a big NO.

     
  • Karen Bracken posted at 8:57 am on Fri, Sep 9, 2011.

    Karen Bracken Posts: 1

    I really feel sad for the people of Lodi. For someday you will have to explain to your children and your grandchildren why you did nothing to stop the destruction of our Constitution and our right to own property. Read THE FLORIDA STORY and tell those people the land that they had taken from them was a conspiracy theory. Tell the people in TX when they tried to displace 1M people to build the Trans Texas Corridor which will set the stage for opening the borders between the US-Mexico-Canada. And yes good ole boy Rick Perry fought like a tiger to get it built. But thank God the people and many of the elected officials knew what was going on and put a stop to the road. But Perry was bound and determined to build that road so he developed another plan and changed the name so the people are once again fighting a battle they probably will not win. Oh and did I fail to mention this road was going to be owned by Spain and all revenue (75 cents per mile to drive on this road with only 5 entrances and exits in the entire state of TX....12 lanes for rail, cars, trucks and the road would be lined with businesses not owned by the US) People you better wake up because this is happening all over the US and the media is keeping it quiet just like they kept the details of our current President from us. The progressives OWN the media and you will only hear what they want you to hear. CERN just put out a study about a week ago that ONCE AGAIN proves human activity DOES NOT change or affect the climate. It is the Sun. You slur Rosa Koire for what she has done to help the people in CA (that too are being thrown off their land) but you don't think or say a darn thing about Al Gore that has made BILLIONS on this hoax and he lives exactly the way he tells us we can't. He lives like a king, flying in private jets, limos and huge houses that are energy pigs but tells us we can't eat meat. Looks like Al has one too many bigs Mac's himself. I don't live in NJ but I do feel very sad for you all. Agenda 21 is soft law in this country. The end game has NOTHING to do with preserving the environment or stopping human activity from impacting the climate. It has EVERYTHING to do with control. The US is the only country in the world that allows its citizens the right to become prosperous by owning property. In order for Communism to flourish (ONE WORLD ORDER......its real.......start researching.....our own Daddy Bush has many recordings out there pushing it.....) capitalism and property rights must be destroyed and they are after America. We are what stands in their way. I am glad that when my grandchildren are no longer free people I will be able to tell them I did everything I could do to stop it. Will you be able to say the same thing. Is it worth taking the chance that we might just be right and you are wrong? Remember the words of many dictators in the world. They will destroy America from within and that is exactly what is happening. It sounds to me like many of the comments on this article are bought and paid for by those that have A LOT to gain by pushing these programs and believe me it is not the people of Lodi or the state of NJ that will benefit.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:01 am on Fri, Sep 9, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Andy stated...Do any of you feel any responsibility to your neighbors or future generations

    Andy... do you? If so, what are you doing aboout it?

     
  • Andy Crowder posted at 9:37 pm on Thu, Sep 8, 2011.

    Andy Crowder Posts: 245

    Do any of you feel any responsibility to your neighbors or future generations?

     
  • Jim Sturman posted at 9:26 pm on Thu, Sep 8, 2011.

    Jim Sturman Posts: 6

    I just can't stand it anymore!! I read you people occasionally....always the same ones. Bobin: get off the drugs. You are delusional, without sources or fact, on almost all occasions. Most of you others must just need something else to do other that banter about on these blogs. Write someone or do something meaningful. If you are to write, bring something to the table that is either logical or factual. Especially looking for the latter amongst the liberal minded. Being conservative (meaning fiscally, ala tea party, and morally, ala Chistian) please tell me specifically where I ere. For example, on the climate issue, and sorry Bobin, but tell me who all these scientists are who support exactly what concerning the climate debate. ps I simply can't wait for the documentation.

     
  • William Dawes posted at 7:47 pm on Thu, Sep 8, 2011.

    William Dawes Posts: 115

    Arnie is a Kennedy with an R

     
  • William Dawes posted at 7:46 pm on Thu, Sep 8, 2011.

    William Dawes Posts: 115

    In the medieval times, it was the merchants that created towns, and brought up the quality of life for people in general.

    It is through capitalists and their innovations that increased the quality of life for people in general.

    Government has only stifled innovation and taken personal freedoms along with it.

    Agenda 21 is a socialist plan that attacks personal freedom and property. In my opinion, it violates the Declaration of Independence, as it attacks individual freedom and property ownership.

    If there is too much pollution in this state, then it is due to the careless hate of American culture pushed by the socialist democrats who push for cosmopolitanism and a One World Order under the useless United Nations. You can identify these socialists as they call for "central planning" in every aspect of our lives. Read The Road to Serfdom by Hayek and you will understand.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 7:21 pm on Thu, Sep 8, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Ms Bobin stated...let's bring back Governor Schwartzenegger (Republican) who did so much for California (bankrupted the state and was totally ineffective)

    Ms Bobin... You seem to know a great deal. Can you explain which policies and legislation that this governor endorsed which led to this bankruptcy?

    Ms Bobin, since you say that ALL are responsible for the mess this state is in, it implies that the democrats have some responsibility... you appear to be objective in this case. However, I have never seen one post in the past where you spoke against the democrats with any specificity. Can you articulate details of what you are referring to in the democrats share of the responsibility?

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 6:45 pm on Thu, Sep 8, 2011.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Yes, Mr. Marconi, let's bring back Governor Schwartzenegger (Republican) who did so much for California (bankrupted the state and was totally ineffective) and see how many other illegitemate children he can produce while jetting back and forth every night in his private jet (whenever he deemed it necessary to actually show up in Sacramento).

    Until zealots like Mr. Marconi and others here accept the fact that NO party has the solutions and ALL are responsible for the mess this state is in, there will be NO solutions. Let's try actually working together for a change and not reacting to kooks who try to frighten the masses into protesting reasonable ideas.

     
  • Bob Marconi posted at 4:47 pm on Thu, Sep 8, 2011.

    Bob Marconi Posts: 37

    Just be assured of one thing: no matter what "they" tell you, this will end up costing the taxpayers $$$ in the end. Until we vote out these moronic, pc, left-wing assemblymen and state senators (those would be the Democrats controlling all facets of CA state gov't), it ain't gonna get any better. Fight what you can.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 4:20 pm on Thu, Sep 8, 2011.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    I never claimed it was a "right-wing conspiracy theory," just a conspiracy theory to which people of all delusional stripes are subject.

    I can see why Ms. Koire is so concerned about personal property rights - in her "neck of the woods" (Santa Rosa), there are so many people making their livings growing marijuana it would shut down the local economy for any property to be seized or environmental regulations placed on their pot farms.

    It is a shame that none of the people who are so unconcerned about the environment and so anti-environmental regulation have never lived in an area that was so polluted that it was unfit for human habitation, where the environment was so toxic that children were dying from horrible diseases. If it weren't for environmental regulations, this country would have polluted itself off the face of the Earth long ago.

    Someone stated: "But did you notice in the Visa commercials last Olympics? Morgan Freeman's voice on the commercial, not saying "Go America" but "Go World"! How ridiculous is that? We are being programmed."

    It's this mindless thinking that generates these "one world" theories. In case someone didn't know, VISA is a global corporation that serves customers worldwide - thus the "Go World."

    But then some are determined to live in their little cocoons, unaware that California and the US are not the center of the world.

     
  • Kim Parigoris posted at 3:41 pm on Thu, Sep 8, 2011.

    Kim Parigoris Posts: 470

    Just want to clarify one thing, something that we were not aware of when we went to the meeting. That the city is going to have to comply by emission standards set by the state by law (which are totally unrealistic) or they will most tlikely be sued by the state (nice, huh?) But we did ask that maybe it is time for local governments to start standing up to this, and asked that the Council members please at least look in to Agenda 21 and its far reaching goals. We also asked that we be removed from the Smart Valley Places coalition, and any other NGO (Non-government organization) that wants to regulate our lives. (You will see that acronym all over the UN website) Their iniitiatives go as far reaching as the education and health system- doesn't sound like just climate change concerns. What we need is citizen involvement and awareness of what is going on around us..

     
  • Kim Parigoris posted at 1:32 pm on Thu, Sep 8, 2011.

    Kim Parigoris Posts: 470

    Press release right off the UN website. Sept 6, 2011. http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2011/ngo736.doc.htm

     
  • Kim Parigoris posted at 1:27 pm on Thu, Sep 8, 2011.

    Kim Parigoris Posts: 470

    The woman who spoke at our group, Rosa Koire, is a lifetime liberal Democrat so this is no longer a "right wing Conspiracy Theory" issue. She is an admitted liberal in every sense of the word, and said "I WAS an environmentallist, but I'm not so sure now- my movement has been hijacked" Yes, Paul, this IS still American and I do believe in American exceptionalism and ingenuity. I do not want to be part of one world order - how else can we have the Olympics? LOL. But did you notice in the Visa commercials last Olympics? Morgan Freeman's voice on the commercial, not saying "Go America" but "Go World"! How ridiculous is that? We are being programmed.

     
  • paul kuzyk posted at 12:43 pm on Thu, Sep 8, 2011.

    paul kuzyk Posts: 1

    As I see it America was made by companies that saw a better future for all involved in the process. Now companies are corporations that have only their assets and future earnings in mind, without reguard for the components of the process, the people, the environment and even the boundaries and the laws within boundaries.
    There are factions out there that understand what's going on and the socialists have jumped on the the environmentalists bandwagon in order to try and levy control on the capitalists.....in the mean time the citizens of this country who are stuck in the wake of "The American Dream" are being slowly rendered obsolete and even unnessasary as unemployment continues to rise. Ask yourself: What jobs are going undone? Why is the state of California the largest employer in the state?
    I have great admiration for any person or group that doesn't blindly follow just because that's where the money is. Ask questions, get answers......it's still our America.

     
  • Kim Parigoris posted at 11:38 am on Thu, Sep 8, 2011.

    Kim Parigoris Posts: 470

    Well, in the country that I grew up in, we had freedom, not the federal and state government dictating to us our every move. Givng us blood money to implement their agenda. No money unless you do this, or worse- we won't give you any money and you still have to operate under our iron fist. Funny thing about the liberal legislation up in Sacramento. They are going to work themselves right out of jobs because who needs representation when we are all going to be run by these regional bureaucracies who aren't even elected? We will be run by California Air Resources Board (1600 people, unelected, unaccountable) the Smart Valley partners, the One Bay Area, the Isn't Green Great coalition.. Just follow the money trail..Another irony is that you and I, Ms Bobin, will be standing in the same bread line..and will plenty of time to chat, after we redistribute all the wealth from America- this greedy affluent society- to the poorer countries. It will be great! We will ALL be poor!

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 11:04 am on Thu, Sep 8, 2011.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Props to Rosa Koire for duping 12 gullible people in this city into believing her conspiracy theory about Agenda 21. This woman is nothing more than another individual who found a way to make money by spreading fear throughout this state.

    Climate change and its connection to human activity is accepted by a majority of scientists - it is not a crack-pot theory as most in this forum believe. But apparently, we'll have the 12 above to thank for the COL adding more pollution to our community.

    "Best" idea of all from this article:

    "I think the cities need to band together and push back on the state and say, ‘You can sue every city,’” Miller said."

    I don't know about you, Mr. Miller, but I do not want MY tax dollars spent at both ends of that ridiculous idea. Who do you think is going to pay for the lawsuits and the defense of these lawsuits?

     
  • Kim Parigoris posted at 10:21 am on Thu, Sep 8, 2011.

    Kim Parigoris Posts: 470

    Councilman Hansen did bring up a good point at tlast night's meeting about the initiative last November where the voters had the opportunity to put AB32 (the legislation passed in 2006 that is stifling busineses in this state- much of it based on VERY faulty information) on suspension until the economy strengthened. Yes this intitiave was shot down...the opponents to this measure outspent the supporters of Prop 23 by 4 to 1. Who was the biggest contributor to shoot it down? A hedge fund investor heavily invested in a solar company that was going to produce solar panels..Where? In China. Another fine duping of the people of this State....

     
  • Kim Parigoris posted at 10:13 am on Thu, Sep 8, 2011.

    Kim Parigoris Posts: 470

    Read the whole article here...see where YOUR tax dollars are going...http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/fbi-raids-connected-energy-firm-solyndra/story?id=14473051

     
  • Kim Parigoris posted at 10:11 am on Thu, Sep 8, 2011.

    Kim Parigoris Posts: 470

    Yes solar...HaHa.
    In the news today (and yes on NBC- mainstream media) "The FBI has confirmed to ABC News that federal agents are conducting a search this morning at the offices of Solyndra, the now-bankrupt California solar power company that received $535 million in federal loans under a green energy program touted by President Obama. "

     
  • roy bitz posted at 10:10 am on Thu, Sep 8, 2011.

    roy bitz Posts: 495

    Never let grant money go "UNWASTED". This seems to be the mindset. Get the money---spend the money---before some other entity does.
    This planet's climate has been changing since it was created--several billion years ago. Climate change will continue even if the city of Lodi wins the grant money and hires a consultant to develop an action plan---this just makes my hair hurt!
    By the way, are those $4,000 solar powered trash cans ( col purchased with "grant money") working out? Mr. Hood? Anyone?

     
  • Sunny Samuels posted at 9:56 am on Thu, Sep 8, 2011.

    Sunny Samuels Posts: 56

    "The council was deciding whether to spend $120,000 in federal grant funds to hire a consultant to draft a climate action plan." Thats a lot of money to throw at no doubt, an out of area consulting firm. This is a great fourm right here. Why don't you ask the residents their ideas on what they would like to see happen here. Maybe using start installing soalr on top of city buildings. Capturing Hydro power from the nearby waterways. I don't know, don't dog me, I'm just throwing out ideas. Wouldn't it be nice to have our ideas come to life (since eventually your gonna pay for it) then the ideas of a consultant who dosen't know what we would like to see (and pay for).

     
  • Kim Parigoris posted at 9:53 am on Thu, Sep 8, 2011.

    Kim Parigoris Posts: 470

    http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/39063

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 9:50 am on Thu, Sep 8, 2011.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    DAVE CHRISTY, I agree with you. We have "bigger fish to fry" in Lodi than the climate issue ! This reminds me of the often inane quote, "they were rearranging the deck chairs" while the Titanic was sinking. Priorities are a must and this isn't one of them.

     
  • Jim Sturman posted at 9:47 am on Thu, Sep 8, 2011.

    Jim Sturman Posts: 6

    It would be shameful for the city to fall sucker to this scheme. Shame on Hansen for his support of the hoax. Bartlam says "We'll control this process..." Nonsense. The truth is just the opposite: the city would be allowing others to control the process. Cities should unite to be free of bigger brother control. Let them keep there money. An this comment doesn't even address the underlying issue of climatic change. Does the city council really want to involve itself in that debate?

     
  • Kim Parigoris posted at 9:39 am on Thu, Sep 8, 2011.

    Kim Parigoris Posts: 470

    Get involved Dave. www.lodicitizensinaction.com We have years of damage to undo and it ain't gonna be easy..

     
  • Dave Christy posted at 8:55 am on Thu, Sep 8, 2011.

    Dave Christy Posts: 27

    There has to be so many of these climate action plans out that the COL could probably purchase one at any book store for under five bucks. Thank the TEA party for being around the questions are finally being asked. Al Gore and his group will be stalled until common sense finally takes over. Just like water meters and every other MANDATED item that is shoved down our throats here we go again. It does not matter in Calif. the regulation and stupidity like this proposed climate action plan has stopped any posibility of progress in our state. AND there goes Councilman Hansen again , the only one that wants to go for the grant. BIG COVERNMENT right Larry ? thats what he's all about ! How did he defeat John Johnson in the last election ? Unbelievable, can't happen in Lodi. I'm with Miller and the TEA party let the State sue all of the cities it's time for us to stand and be counted. Leave the $ 120,000.00 in DC with Obama to waste on his upcoming jobs plan.

     
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