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Posted: Monday, April 12, 2010 12:00 am

After years of low test scores, parents, teachers and community members discussed the idea of turning Lawrence Elementary School into a charter school at a forum Sunday morning in the Lodi Boys and Girls Club gym.

Parents asked what makes charter schools different, if the school would be overseen by the district or a nonprofit, and how they can stay involved in the process.

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  • posted at 2:33 am on Wed, Apr 14, 2010.

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    That is EXACTLY what should be done. Only problem is that makes too much sense. When any government is involved they don't do what makes sense, just what buys them votes. Give them some path that they can be successful in.

     
  • posted at 2:18 pm on Tue, Apr 13, 2010.

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    doesn't that make more sense than forcing kids to take geometry who can't add single digits?

     
  • posted at 2:17 pm on Tue, Apr 13, 2010.

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    Since Obama loves European methods so much, let's do it their way. If kids don't get a passing score in the eighth grade, they are moved to a vocational track.

     
  • posted at 11:03 am on Tue, Apr 13, 2010.

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    Actually, Jimp is correct. Teachers do get the blame for lower test scores. The state refuses to acknowledge the myriad of factors that result in low test scores. The will not take in account cultural and environmental factors which directly affect the child’s performance in school. So their solution to low test scores is to punish teachers and schools. And will this improve test scores? Of course not! They are not addressing the issues, nor accepting reality. With the dysfunctional homes, parents who themselves do not value education, or having a learning disability, the child has a limited chance of success. Teachers do not have any control over their kid’s environmental influences and genetic factors. Yet the state continues to blame teachers and graduate the uneducated! What a shame and an insult to our society. Parents who value education desire their children to excel in education as well. Parents then become involved. It starts at home people!

     
  • posted at 8:08 am on Tue, Apr 13, 2010.

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    nice try, jimp

     
  • posted at 7:45 am on Tue, Apr 13, 2010.

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    Middowner: You are exactly the type of people I am talking about. Stupid and without a clue as to what is going on. You see the world and everything else around you through some sort of haze. You are part of the problem that the rest of us have to put up with. I’m sure you have all the solutions figured out only don’t have the brains to put anything to motion. You are an insignificant microbial that aught to be sprayed. If you had anything to say that even fringed on intelligent you forgot to say it.

     
  • posted at 6:18 am on Tue, Apr 13, 2010.

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    Okay, jimp: your first three sentences are incorrect and factually ignorant. People like you who throw anything against the wall hope something sticks to make a point. jimp: do some research and stop being an idiot.

     
  • posted at 5:44 am on Tue, Apr 13, 2010.

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    If my understanding is correct... there are American schools throughout Europe that are English speaking schools. I assume that the native tongue in these various countries (France, Switzerland Belgium, etc.) is taught also. Now... if Mexicans want to build schools in the U.S. -- or elsewhere -- that cater to those speaking the native tongue of their homeland then no one should have any objections. But to spend time and money, at these expense of our English speaking children, just to appease some ridiculous sense of "fairness" is to highlight just one of the things that are crippling our education system. Get over your "fairness" seeking insanity already, and start teaching the basics that are meant to solidify the foundations that have made our country great. Seriously! what the heck is going on around here? are you crazies living in a dream world; or are you actually trying to screw everything up?

     
  • posted at 2:43 am on Tue, Apr 13, 2010.

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    Midtowner: If you had added anything in this discussion that was intelligent I would argue with you. The only fact that I pointed out is that the teachers are not always the ones to blame. Sure you have a few worthless ones out there, but what I said was that when you have kids that have a crap home life, how do you expect them to succeed? The parents that never help their kids or have drug babies, or work in the fields under who knows what conditions, have kids with birth defects, brain damage, they are never at fault with low test scores. I know some very hard working teachers that have so many stories of jacked up kids that have to be placed in regular class rooms that can’t do anything except disrupt the rest of the class. What do you do with those kids in a Charter School?

     
  • posted at 1:47 am on Tue, Apr 13, 2010.

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    As to parent participation: parents who get involved at public schools tend to have children who do better in school. This is universal.Children whose parents aren't involved in their child's school, don't do as well.While charter schools may encourage parent participation, I don't think there is anyway to compell participation. What will a charter school do if mom or dad is to "busy" to help out at bingo or supervise field day....? Kick the kid out?Public schools can't compell parent particiapation. They can't even compell the children to bring pencils.In a state with only charter schools, what happens to the student who gets kicked out of one, and the another and then....? Where is that kid going to go?You'all should think these things through.

     
  • posted at 1:38 am on Tue, Apr 13, 2010.

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    dyan:Thank you for looking at the data and reporting it without bias.You can tell who has looked into options because they don't start off each post with "charter schools" or "fire all the administrators" or other cookie cutter sound bites that seem so prevalent.

     
  • posted at 1:35 am on Tue, Apr 13, 2010.

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    Sven...you obviously don't work in education...it may be called Race to the Top, but in reality it is a race to the bottom"Actually, it's over 30 years from classroom to district office. I believe only those fringe groups that can't stand Obama (or any other democratic president) refer to it as "race to the bottom".Great way to support the education system that has enabled you to write sensible posts to these articles.Have you ever considered saying something positive regarding the president or public education or are you programed to only repeat the grievence list from Fox/Limbaugh/Beck/Hannity complex?

     
  • posted at 5:56 pm on Mon, Apr 12, 2010.

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    I can make a great charter because I can pick and choose my students. If Lawrence becomes a charter school, those students may be able to remain there but for how long? If you don't follow the rules you get kicked out. There is no expulsion officer to stop it. The principal is like a dictator. Don't think that students don't leave on their own accord because they do. Americans don't approve of despots, not even a principal.

     
  • posted at 5:52 pm on Mon, Apr 12, 2010.

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    I see plenty of parents talking to their kids in Spanish, then turn around and talk to their spouse in English. This does create a financial burden on limited educational resources. Why should more tax resources go toward non-citizens and not citizens? You take away sports, shop classes, and music classes for more resources going to bilingual. Why should you? 50% of the people living in this country do not pay taxes but they use up tax money. A lot are illegally here and they are in the schools.If they put as much effort into learning English as they do Spanish, there would be no problem. But for many of them, it is recolonization

     
  • posted at 5:44 pm on Mon, Apr 12, 2010.

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    ake01 wrote on Apr 12, 2010 11:33 AM:" to CaPatriot: So you feel attacked, huh? That is the same way I felt by your comments about your hispanic employee. Calling him lazy and irresponsible is not appropriate. Does that employee have an education? most likely not. You see, my father came to the US from Mexico not knowing a lick of English. That probably explains why I didn't learn English until kindergarten. If your employee is educated enough to teach his son English, it is his decision in raising that child that way.On side note bilingual schools have proven to be an effective way of educating those most likely to fall through the cracks. Hell, if there was a bilingual school in Lodi I can almost guarantee you the crime rate would be a lot lower!! "There isn't already a bilingual school in Lodi surrounded by criminals? That's news to me.My husband grew up in Los Angeles County, and he can say that what Jake is saying is garbage. If you don't start teaching kids English vocabulary as soon as possible, they will lag behind. This means PreK

     
  • posted at 1:33 pm on Mon, Apr 12, 2010.

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    wow Jake...how ignorant can one person be...there are very few bilingual countries in the world. There are many people who speak multiple languages but that is by choice. No country survives long without a unified language...that's history if you care to learn it.BTW do you think you would get education in English in Mexico?

     
  • posted at 1:29 pm on Mon, Apr 12, 2010.

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    Sven...you obviously don't work in education...it may be called Race to the Top, but in reality it is a race to the bottom.

     
  • posted at 1:19 pm on Mon, Apr 12, 2010.

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    Remember there many different types of charter schools some good some not so good.

     
  • posted at 12:50 pm on Mon, Apr 12, 2010.

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    Dont blame teachers, principals, custodians, gardeners, playground supervisors, the cafeteria, the board, the district office, the architect, the district repair people or pick your own people to complain about. The problem is the breeding stock.

     
  • posted at 12:27 pm on Mon, Apr 12, 2010.

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    Maggie- Conflicting info. surrounds these legal requirements. Bay Area school districts have differing views. Here are 3 links: http://www.insidebayarea.com/news/ci_14830759, http://www.contracostatimes.com/news/ci_14837179?source=rss&nclick_check=1,http://www.contracostatimes.com/news/ci_14698759?source=rss

     
  • posted at 12:18 pm on Mon, Apr 12, 2010.

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    As long as it is a charter school run by the district, the district will continue to receive ADA monies for each student. If it goes private, the district will not receive those monies and we will be in worse shape with the budget next year!!! Go figure!!!! I guess as long as it doesn't affect the jobs at the ESC, anything goes!

     
  • posted at 11:35 am on Mon, Apr 12, 2010.

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    I know it schools, didn't use spell check. Obviously I'm a product of traditional public schools and not a charter!

     
  • posted at 11:33 am on Mon, Apr 12, 2010.

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    If Aspire Public Schools takes Lawrence it surely will be a tremendous improvement. Jimp: you really need to do some research and get your facts straight.dyan: you may have an argument, but look at local Aspire scools and compare their test scores to traditional public schools (and, yes, throw out University Public School in Morada)

     
  • posted at 11:25 am on Mon, Apr 12, 2010.

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    This is just rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. Look at the NEA data. Charter schools do not score any better than public.

     
  • posted at 10:53 am on Mon, Apr 12, 2010.

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    My understanding of a Charter School is that if the student misbehaves then they can be removed. If the student doesn’t maintain a high enough score, they can be removed. If this is the case then that would explain why Charter Schools have a lot better test scores. Now take public schools, where the home life has no bearing on the success of the student. I mean, the kid can be brain defective and it only reflects on the teacher’s performance. The kid can come from a crack whore Mom and Dad is in jail. What kind of chance does that poor kid have? Again, that reflects on the teacher. Think about removing the kid. Nope, can’t be done. No matter what, it’s all the teachers and schools fault. Home life has a huge impact on the kid and that never gets pointed out. It’s not always the teachers fault.

     
  • posted at 9:25 am on Mon, Apr 12, 2010.

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    Whatever happened to Lawrence while Cheryl Nilmeyer was the principal? I thought she was sent in to turn the school around. I guess she couldn't turn the place into a club for elite parents and students like she did at Vinewood. I cannot see her relating to the Hispanic majority which she loathes...they are all too much beneath her for her to care. Speaking of a principal who should be fired.....!

     
  • posted at 9:20 am on Mon, Apr 12, 2010.

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    CaPatriot: The father was correct in waiting until his son went to school to learn English. Otherwise, the danger is he would learn the improper English that you speak. If you had any idea how language acquisition works you would not be making such ignorant comments.jake01 has a point in his last post. Many of the Hispanics who compose the criminal population can speak neither English or Spanish compentently in order to progress in society. Most fully bilingual Hispanics have a greater advantage, thus bilingual schools and bilingualism as a whole should be encouraged.

     
  • posted at 6:33 am on Mon, Apr 12, 2010.

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    to CaPatriot: So you feel attacked, huh? That is the same way I felt by your comments about your hispanic employee. Calling him lazy and irresponsible is not appropriate. Does that employee have an education? most likely not. You see, my father came to the US from Mexico not knowing a lick of English. That probably explains why I didn't learn English until kindergarten. If your employee is educated enough to teach his son English, it is his decision in raising that child that way. On side note bilingual schools have proven to be an effective way of educating those most likely to fall through the cracks. Hell, if there was a bilingual school in Lodi I can almost guarantee you the crime rate would be a lot lower!!

     
  • posted at 6:15 am on Mon, Apr 12, 2010.

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    It is a shame that one of the HS in Lodi isn't a charter. I mean like one the size of Lodi High.

     
  • posted at 4:44 am on Mon, Apr 12, 2010.

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    By the way, jake01, I went to a French kindergarten in France when I was a child. I was taught as much French as my father knew before I attended, but only French was spoken there and I was not catered to one bit by the teachers. I had to learn French to participate. but at least my father made every attempt to make us assimilate to that culture and language while we were there.

     
  • posted at 4:41 am on Mon, Apr 12, 2010.

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    jakeo1- first of all, I am not ignorant and do not appreciate your making personal attacks against me because you do not agree with my opinion. You say most countries teach English as a second language- I think it is fantastic if we teach Spanish as a second language, but that is not what I said. I said that I do not think that it is the responsibility of our school system to teach English- our FIRST language. You sound like a person who cares so much for your fellow man, but sure puts a lot of emphasis on how much your worth is measured by how much more money you make than me. Not exactly what I call a "positive" attitude, if you ask me.

     
  • Maggie Creamer posted at 4:31 am on Mon, Apr 12, 2010.

    Maggie Creamer Posts: 43 Staff

    ts8209, Just a quick note. Lodi Unified School District is required by the state to submit an action plan by June 1 detailing how they will modify both Lawrence and Sutherland schools. That's why these two schools are at the forefront right now. Thanks, Maggie

     
  • posted at 4:30 am on Mon, Apr 12, 2010.

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    Observer, I agree. And the lack of interest by the parents, as shown by the attendance, is the saddest part of all. I think most know why attendance was low, but use your own imagination.

     
  • posted at 3:58 am on Mon, Apr 12, 2010.

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    to CaPatriot: "This is America, not Mexico!"Sad to hear your views. This is the same way Hitler came to power. If you weren't so ignorant maybe you would realize that MOST countries in this world speak at least 2 languages. Canadians learn French and English is school. Most European countries teach their students english as a second language. I grew up only speaking Spanish. Didn't learn a lick of English until I started kindergarten. Now look at me... working a white collar job in SF making probably more that you will ever make. Get real! Be optimistic! Stop making excuses and start creating positive change!

     
  • posted at 3:26 am on Mon, Apr 12, 2010.

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    Why do we have bilingual schools. This is America, not Mexico. We have a Hispanic employee, who speaks passable English, come in to the office the other day with his 4 year old son. Trying to make conversation, I asked the child how old he was, and figured after my 4th attempt of his not answering, just figured he was a typical shy 4 year old. His father interjected and said (in English) "he is 4, but he speaks no English- we wait until they go to school for them to learn English" Excuse me??!! That is a lazy and irresponsible attitude, and does not show me much desire to assimilate in to our society, not to mention the financial burden it puts on all of us

     
  • posted at 2:20 am on Mon, Apr 12, 2010.

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    If the picture is any indication of the interest shown by the parents then I think it's doomed for failure. My understanding is that charter schools require an abundance of parent participation. Wow......that's a novel idea.

     
  • posted at 2:08 am on Mon, Apr 12, 2010.

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    "Through the process, Shalvey also said it is important to not blame the students, the parents or the teachers." Yeah right,,no one is accountable.

     
  • posted at 2:07 am on Mon, Apr 12, 2010.

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    With all the turmoil going on in LUSD with budget cuts, why the rush to change Lawrence & Sutherland this year? LUSD can wait, take time to decide best practices, and apply for grant money down the road. Isn't that what Stockton Unified is doing? Oh, wait, LUSD hasn't done anything logical lately!

     
  • posted at 1:40 am on Mon, Apr 12, 2010.

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    It's race to the top, not race to the bottom. The other stuff is true though.

     
  • posted at 1:25 am on Mon, Apr 12, 2010.

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    This artifact from NCLB and now BO race to the bottom will not change the school...you will still have the same students and the same parents attending...you will get the same results...it will just cost more money

     
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