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Measure W fails

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38 comments:

  • posted at 8:34 am on Mon, Mar 9, 2009.

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    Caliwings: I basically agree with you but like the grapevines the growth needs to be guided in the right direction.

     
  • posted at 3:34 am on Thu, Mar 5, 2009.

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    "WHAT DOESN'T GROW, DIES."So, Lodi has chosen death... The last question we have to speculate upon... will Lodi become a subdivision of Stockton or Sacramento first.

     
  • posted at 3:48 pm on Wed, Mar 4, 2009.

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    Why is there so much distrust and negativity towards our City Council? Is this not the same City Council that the majority of Lodians voted for just 3 months, and 16 months ago?We voted for them to be our voice in managing the city's affairs. If we can trust them with that, why can't we trust them with all the free money that W would have brought us?

     
  • posted at 3:09 pm on Wed, Mar 4, 2009.

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    The "No" vote was disappointing to say the least. Unfortunately fear-mongering overshadowed logic. Still not aware of one city with an RDA that has regreted forming that money saving tool.

     
  • posted at 1:36 pm on Wed, Mar 4, 2009.

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    Giovanina: Cheap cheap cheap.You lost. It was not racism.You lost.

     
  • posted at 1:25 pm on Wed, Mar 4, 2009.

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    Scrutiny wrote on Mar 4, 2009 1:43 PM:" YES!!! Victory is ours people!!! Can`t wait till they start mailing out those $4-8,000 bills for the state mandated water meters!! WOO_HOO!!! Hopefully they can transfer MORE money from parks and rec. too! Who needs decent parks??!! Start laying off police and fire too!! WOO_HOO!!! Everything is just the way it was before the election!! Nothing changes!! Let the Eastside go to hell!!!!!! Victory oh sweet victory!!! "So, you are assuming that the people in charge would have spent the money in an appropriate manner. What dream are you living in?

     
  • posted at 1:22 pm on Wed, Mar 4, 2009.

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    4AStrongLodi wrote on Mar 4, 2009 12:38 PM:" Way to go Lodi! Let's keeping sending our tax money to other areas of the State instead of keeping it here.I do realize there was a huge racist element to this Measure because much of the money would have gone to the East Side.So, let's just continue to let this City crumble. "racist element? I thought I was looking at the Lodi Crime Map that is posted for all to see. Using the race card because you are a sore loser? Give it a rest.

     
  • posted at 12:33 pm on Wed, Mar 4, 2009.

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    patton1 wrote:"You can tell by some of the blogs that people still dont understand how RDA works. This was free money! The money that have chosen to pass up will contine to flow to the state."Well said, well said. I do not want to call my fellow Lodians dumb or stupid, but I don't think many did any research themselves. They bought into the negative reasons on why to vote NO, ie: poor CC actions in past, etc. Once that snowball is pushed downhill it's impossible to stop the ugly negative momentum.I honestly think if a new RDA was proposed and done so with INPUT by the citizens, with a list of priority projects and a 'wish list,' and a full educational webpage on how RDA can benefit the city it could pass.It's "Selling 101"-- give the customer (voter) the features and benefits of the product or service (RDA). Bridge the features and benefits with "which means to YOU..." and that makes it personal to them. Voters today are much smarter than 40yrs ago. You MUST educated them to earn their vote.

     
  • posted at 11:04 am on Wed, Mar 4, 2009.

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    Lot's of valid comments pointing out our city council's poor track record for managing projects and money.I am deeply concerned that so many of our citizens simply drink the Kool-aid served by three council members and our great city manager.

     
  • posted at 8:38 am on Wed, Mar 4, 2009.

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    And last time I checked, the county IS part of the state. They are inextricably intertwined. But hey, I`m glad to see me property tax $$ go to Manteca! Way to go my fellow Lodians!!

     
  • posted at 8:36 am on Wed, Mar 4, 2009.

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    $400,000,000 blank check.That's an astonishing number for Lodi.

     
  • posted at 7:45 am on Wed, Mar 4, 2009.

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    For every dollar that the RDA could have gotten us instead of the state will instead will have to come from additional service cuts and rate hikes. In the end, the no crowd has screwed us all.

     
  • posted at 7:44 am on Wed, Mar 4, 2009.

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    Property taxes are collected by the county but it is the state that controls where it is spent. Counties are subdivisons of the state and exsist to impliment state services. My friend is a teacher who was afraid she was going to get paid by an IOU. The reason was the state and not the county. In any event, those dollars will not be spend in Lodi either way.

     
  • posted at 7:43 am on Wed, Mar 4, 2009.

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    YES!!! Victory is ours people!!! Can`t wait till they start mailing out those $4-8,000 bills for the state mandated water meters!! WOO_HOO!!! Hopefully they can transfer MORE money from parks and rec. too! Who needs decent parks??!! Start laying off police and fire too!! WOO_HOO!!! Everything is just the way it was before the election!! Nothing changes!! Let the Eastside go to hell!!!!!! Victory oh sweet victory!!!

     
  • posted at 6:53 am on Wed, Mar 4, 2009.

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    patton1, you have lost this round and still don't have a clue. Proprty taxes do not go to the state, they go to the county, lusd, and lodi.

     
  • posted at 6:50 am on Wed, Mar 4, 2009.

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    Never said I was an expert, Smoot. LOL! Just pointed out that there was another source of cash; maybe not as much as the CC wanted, but another source. With a little imagination, they could find more and not at the expense of the citizens of Lodi. ;)

     
  • posted at 6:48 am on Wed, Mar 4, 2009.

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    PoorEastSide you claim the LNS picks and chooses, I don`t think so, they let your post go through.ForAStrongLodi, what does fixing the sewer pipes and water mains have to do with an individuals house, sounds like a personal problem to me. New pipes won`t fix the so-called blight on the east side, now will it.

     
  • posted at 6:43 am on Wed, Mar 4, 2009.

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    patton1: Give me a break. Fee inceases are always on the way. And there is no such thing as free money. What don't you understand about that? On top of that, there is no plan or talk about what would have actually been done with the money. Who in their right mind would give our CC a blank check and full power? Besides, it will be on the next ballot and they'll keep it on until it passes. (Just like the same sex marriage initiatives).

     
  • posted at 6:38 am on Wed, Mar 4, 2009.

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    Way to go Lodi! Let's keeping sending our tax money to other areas of the State instead of keeping it here.I do realize there was a huge racist element to this Measure because much of the money would have gone to the East Side.So, let's just continue to let this City crumble.

     
  • posted at 6:24 am on Wed, Mar 4, 2009.

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    Good job citizens. The good ole boys will bring back this RDA stuff as soon as they can, but they were defeated again. What did they do with all the money already collected? 20.5 mil would repair a lot of pipe if half of it didn't go to other projects. CC talks the talk but don't have a clue as how to walk the walk. Believe me, if Measure W had passed, they would still milk us for money using a different way. CC already has too much power. Let's not give them anymore until the use the power they already have wisely. LNS probably banned Loadeye again. They like the CC may have too much power. Where is the freedom of speach. Why let people blog if LNS is going to pick and choose which ones they are going to keep?

     
  • posted at 5:49 am on Wed, Mar 4, 2009.

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    Patton like Dire Straights once said, money for nothing and your chicks for free. That was a song and not real life, you got to know nothing is free.

     
  • posted at 5:46 am on Wed, Mar 4, 2009.

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    At $4 million dollars these days, wouldn`t cover the cost of the porta-potties.

     
  • posted at 5:37 am on Wed, Mar 4, 2009.

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    Fee increases are on the way folks.

     
  • posted at 5:33 am on Wed, Mar 4, 2009.

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    You can tell by some of the blogs that people still dont understand how RDA works. This was free money! The money that have chosen to pass up will contine to flow to the state.

     
  • posted at 4:59 am on Wed, Mar 4, 2009.

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    Of course I saw it - since you're the expert, tell us just how many miles of pipe that $20.5 million will replace allowing for design and engineering, materials and labor costs...

     
  • posted at 4:31 am on Wed, Mar 4, 2009.

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    Guess you didn't see this, Smoot.Lodi has asked for $16.5 million in stimulus money from the feds; $2 million of that supposed to go to a Wastewater Pipe Lining Project and another $2 million for a Water Main Replacement Project; a total of $4 million.http://www.stimuluswatch.org/project/by_city/Lodi/CA

     
  • posted at 3:51 am on Wed, Mar 4, 2009.

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    Yeah, great job "No" voters...Now, the school district will be forced to come back with another facilities bond, water rates will be increased to cover the cost of replacing worn out pipes and the Eastside will still look like crap. Way to go!

     
  • posted at 3:40 am on Wed, Mar 4, 2009.

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    Even with the weather,low turn out at the polls,CC backing and funding for the 'vote yes on W' campaign the people of Lodi saw through it all and voted against another 'pie in the sky' skeem cooked up by the CC. Will they ever 'get it'?

     
  • posted at 3:00 am on Wed, Mar 4, 2009.

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    restructure the guidelines...give less auth to themselves..lol..bastardz...and maybe some more would vote for this..

     
  • posted at 2:36 am on Wed, Mar 4, 2009.

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    I'm not sure which is more apaulling, the fact that only 8,700 voted or the fact that Hansen is unaware that we tax payers have been paying fees to replace the old sewer lines.IMHO, the reason W failed to pass is due to two things: 1) there is no confidence that this or any CC will make wise decisions, 2) poor timing due to economic times. And probably 1A) Gives too much power to the CC/RDA Board, & 2A) No list of project priorities.I was gone for a few days, did I miss something? Where is Loadeye? Did he get banned again?

     
  • posted at 2:13 am on Wed, Mar 4, 2009.

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    Can you imagine what the City Council would do with all that power and money? Oh, wait, we do know. Look at Lodi now. Would things all of a sudden change and the Council would care about the City and it's people?Great job citizens!

     
  • posted at 2:08 am on Wed, Mar 4, 2009.

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    Now we will see how good our CC and Staff are at spending money wisely. And the developers at investing in the community without handouts. Hopefully when they bring this up the next time, they will include citizens on the RDA board, and not the one's they have been doing favors for in the past.

     
  • posted at 2:04 am on Wed, Mar 4, 2009.

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    I noticed Hansen's comment as well. Don't really know why he said "When the 100-year-old sewer system collapses, redevelopment would have provided a funding stream to fix it, and it would not have cost a dime. Now we are all going to pay for it."since Lodi has asked for $16.5 million in stimulus money from the feds; $2 million of that supposed to go to a Wastewater Pipe Lining Project and another $2 million for a Water Main Replacement Project; a total of $4 million.http://www.stimuluswatch.org/project/by_city/Lodi/CA

     
  • posted at 1:51 am on Wed, Mar 4, 2009.

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    Uncle LarryThe citizens of Lodi started paying years ago to replace the sewer pipes. Where did all that money go? Peter was being robbed to pay Paul and so on and so on. Start using fees collected for certain projects specifically for those projects instead of diverting the monies elsewhere.

     
  • posted at 1:40 am on Wed, Mar 4, 2009.

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    Larry Hansen, ha! He stated: "When the 100-year-old sewer system collapses, redevelopment would have provided a funding stream to fix it, and it would not have cost a dime. Now we are all going to pay for it."Come on! Maybe we should have plan now and put money away for it now, not wait around for it to collapse. You don't get something (especially money) for nothing. All of us would have to pay anyhow. Boo Hoo.

     
  • posted at 1:36 am on Wed, Mar 4, 2009.

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    Congratulations to the citizens of Lodi. Your representatives seem to be flabbergasted as to why this didn't pass. Well, I would ask them to revisit their past performance records on using public monies. Why would anyone think it's a good idea to give them millions and millions more of taxpayer money? Good job people.

     
  • posted at 1:20 am on Wed, Mar 4, 2009.

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    Voted No on it as well. I felt that it gave the City Council way too much power. With the current state of the economy, this is not the time to be burdening residents of Lodi. The City Council is notorious for making poor, uninformed and self-serving decisions. We, as citizens of Lodi, instead of wasting our money paying for these poor decisions, start voting them out and get some new (unbiased) blood.

     
  • posted at 12:39 am on Wed, Mar 4, 2009.

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    I voted no, because I just can't see any time that government at any level spends money wisely. They always pay way more than a private citizen would pay for the same job. Just look at our bloated school system that is unable to perform it's one goal of educating children, but does have some lovely new administrative buildings filled with who knows what.

     
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