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Posted: Thursday, May 22, 2008 10:00 pm

If all goes according to Mike Carouba's plan, modern medical offices, shops and restaurants could within a few years replace the strawberry patches and defunct golf driving range at Harney and West lanes.

Carouba, a local commercial real estate broker, submitted plans this spring to the city of Lodi for a 30-acre medical and retail complex, anchored by a Sutter Gould medical office.

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58 comments:

  • posted at 2:23 pm on Wed, May 28, 2008.

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    Papercut, you and your alter ego JF have gone over the edge. What are you two(?) talking about. What does any of this have to do with Sutter Gould and the greenbelt?

     
  • posted at 1:56 pm on Wed, May 28, 2008.

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    Why is Kurt Roberts approaching people on Stockton Street saying he is a reporter for LNS?He says he wants the real story about the Reynolds Ranch problem. HEY, LNS, is Kurt working for you now? Or is he just saying that to gain the confidence of Lodi's citizens???Something is very smelly.

     
  • posted at 1:21 am on Wed, May 28, 2008.

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    Now there's the paper cutting Taxpayer that we know and love. You've been telling us about the forthcoming arrests, indictments and conspiracies for months. It's good to know that you will finally be providing us with the proof. When can we expect that information?

     
  • posted at 5:17 pm on Tue, May 27, 2008.

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    commonsense1, you and your scum pond group of crooks are involved in all these land robberies along with these corrupt local real estate companies and developers. I got proof. I'll show it to you. In fact, I may have the indictment delivered right to your doors. LOL

     
  • posted at 12:03 pm on Tue, May 27, 2008.

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    JF, what in the world are you talking about? What does Sutter Gould have to do with Reynolds Ranch, Delta College or real estate agents having property for sale? This is a 6 acre medical office site that has absolutely nothing to do with a greenbelt. You and "Papercut" need to get a grip on reality.

     
  • posted at 11:29 am on Tue, May 27, 2008.

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    I called the administrator regarding the Blue Cross matter when it first occurred over a year ago. I was told the Hospital (LMH) was losing money on every case Blue Cross was insuring and therefore LMH could no longer afford to take Blue Cross cases. LMH was aware of the fact that other hospitals in the area were receiving more money for the exact same cases and asked they be reimbursed at the same rate. Blue Cross refused. It was that simple. I'm glad LMH has remained a local, independent non-profit hospital. We all should continue to support Lodi Memorial.

     
  • posted at 11:17 am on Tue, May 27, 2008.

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    Audi, my doc is a Sutter Gould doc, and I love it. Everything they offer is connected via computer so getting lab work, mri's, ct scans, xrays, etc. is so easy. No paper work. I love it.FYI, I have Blue Cross PPO, so I am not sure what you have against Sutter Gould. Personally my beef is with Lodi Memorial. I would love to start donating to them again, but refuse to until they accept Blue Cross again.

     
  • posted at 11:09 am on Tue, May 27, 2008.

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    Ok, You people are finally getting it.These Reynolds Ranch criminals are the same ones ramming Delta College up our woo hoo! They bought the property across from the college site for 100K/acre option and Platt is listing the 3 parcels for 11.8 MILLION! Contracts mean nothing to these people, they wipe their a-- with them and hand them back. A contract doesnt exist until the cash hits the bank and they wont part with the cash. These guys are unscrupulous losers.

     
  • posted at 11:03 am on Tue, May 27, 2008.

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    Sutter is not a HMO

     
  • posted at 10:00 am on Tue, May 27, 2008.

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    Sutter Gould is THE worst possible choice for HMO management. Ask a doctor or customer of Sutter Gould, via Pacific Care, et.al. They might Kaiser look good which is quite a feat. Too bad it looks like they're dropping anchor here. How long until they self-destruct and their complex lay vacant?

     
  • posted at 2:17 am on Mon, May 26, 2008.

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    Madman, you are right the "greenbelt" is dead and gone!

     
  • posted at 2:49 pm on Sun, May 25, 2008.

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    "It was only the hardcore that felt that would occur. Lodi had already pre zoned and sphered the first 1/2 mile south of Harney in the last general plan. "Patton1, you are wrong. The last general plan has the PRR going to the middle of Armstrong. It really does not matter anymore. The greenbelt idea is gone. It's dead.

     
  • posted at 1:21 pm on Sun, May 25, 2008.

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    You notice that common sense answers as patton1 this time. Guess someone, maybe T & C, took his patton handle. commonsense, yopu've got a blog name for every one of your hallucinations. Are you a retired cop by any chance, or just a city lap dog whose paid to post your propaganda?

     
  • posted at 9:57 am on Sun, May 25, 2008.

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    patton1, the last general plan shows PRR all the way down to the center of Armstrong Road.

     
  • posted at 9:55 am on Sun, May 25, 2008.

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    patton1 . . .Well I wouldn't expect any greenbelt at all if I were you . . .the land 1/2 mile north and 1/2 mile south of Armstrong is under county jurisdiction. Lodi has no authority to label that land as "greenbelt" or anything else.

     
  • posted at 9:41 am on Sun, May 25, 2008.

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    Zinfadel, the greenbelt meetingsdid indeed look at an area from Harney to 8 mile. It was only the hardcore that felt that would occur. Lodi had already pre zoned and sphered the first 1/2 mile south of HArney in the last general plan. Stockton had always looked at expansion North of 8 mile as well. Like I said, the greeneblt now under consideration was all we could have ever really expected.

     
  • posted at 4:54 am on Sun, May 25, 2008.

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    Madman . . .I so agree with your 6:50 AM statement!

     
  • posted at 4:53 am on Sun, May 25, 2008.

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    patton1 . . you are never going to get a greenbelt . . . Lodi cannot afford to pay for one!

     
  • posted at 4:51 am on Sun, May 25, 2008.

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    SAM, ditto your 8:58 PM comment. The greenbelt was only ever in Susan Hitchcock's mind . . . she is only interested in the "greenbelt/separator" as a platform to run on during election time. She has used it from the beginning and will continue to use it as long as the citizens of Lodi continue to re-elect her. She knows the greenbelt/separator will never happen, but, she will continue to waste our tax money on taskforce meetings and bay area consultants until we the citizens of Lodi refuse to re-elect her!

     
  • posted at 4:48 am on Sun, May 25, 2008.

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    patton1, ditto your 8:10 PM comment!

     
  • posted at 4:46 am on Sun, May 25, 2008.

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    patton1, the proposed greenbelt/separator has NOT always been 1/2 south and 1/2 north of Armstrong Road. If you had attended the greenbelt meetings, you would know this. It originally was from Harney Lane and extended all the way to Eight Mile Road. And FYI, I am not a "hardcore". Those of us who know, did our homework!

     
  • posted at 1:50 am on Sun, May 25, 2008.

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    Patton1, Lodi is not going to even get that greenbelt. Lodi has no say over what happens to any land 1/2 mile south of Harney. Susan Hitchcock made sure of that by alienating all the landowners.

     
  • posted at 4:02 pm on Sat, May 24, 2008.

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    1/2 mile north and 1/2 mile south of armstrong is as good a greenbelt as we were ever going to get Sam.

     
  • posted at 3:58 pm on Sat, May 24, 2008.

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    Thank goodness there is no greenbelt anymore.

     
  • posted at 3:10 pm on Sat, May 24, 2008.

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    Thank goodness companies like Sutter are still willing to invest in Lodi!

     
  • posted at 3:05 pm on Sat, May 24, 2008.

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    How could the greenbelt have begun at Harney when 21 years ago this area was put into the prr and lodi amended its sphere of influence. Heck the city put a sewer system south of harney servcing that area as well in th 90's. No, the greenbelt was always thought to begin 1/2 mile south of Harney. Only the hardcore ever thought it would start at HArney>

     
  • posted at 1:26 pm on Sat, May 24, 2008.

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    commonsense, I agree with Madman. You are so wrong. Google Lodi's current general plan.

     
  • posted at 12:45 pm on Sat, May 24, 2008.

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    I cannot believe that Lodi does not want to control what happens to the land surrounding Micke Grove. I would think incorporating that area into their new general plan would be a plus. Basically Lodi is giving up the Micke Grove area to Stockton. Stockton's boundary will be right at the entrance to Mick Grove. They are going to control what happens in the area. Lodi's leaders are asleep at the wheel.

     
  • posted at 12:38 pm on Sat, May 24, 2008.

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    Commonsense, you are wrong. For the longest time the greenbelt was from Harney to Eight Mile.Sutter's area was removed from the greenbelt under Susan Hitchcock's leadership. It is all documented. Actually the current general plan shows the PRR for Lodi going to the middle of Armstrong Road. Look up Lodi's current general plan.

     
  • posted at 12:27 pm on Sat, May 24, 2008.

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    Zinfandel, you are correct. I looked it up. The current PRR does go to the middle of Armstrong Road. The new general plan will change this to 1/2 mile south of Harney.That is a shame. Lodi is basically giving up the right to control what will be built between 1/2 mile south of Harney to Stockton. Lodi could incorporate Micke Grove into their city plan. Bad move on our part. What are our leaders thinking?

     
  • posted at 11:58 am on Sat, May 24, 2008.

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    Papercut, time to educated you again. The greenbelt has always been 1/2 mile north and south of Armstrong Rd. Neither Reynolds Ranch or Sutter encroaches on the greenbelt. And while we're at it, update us on the strip mall at Reynolds Ranch. We're talking about using a small patch of "rented" ground and an ugly, defunct driving range for this project. What an improvement and asset to our community.

     
  • posted at 11:11 am on Sat, May 24, 2008.

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    jess, at one time our Lodi CC said the proposed greenbelt/separator was from Harney Lane to Eight Mile Road . . .

     
  • posted at 11:09 am on Sat, May 24, 2008.

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    Jess, PRR has been to Armstrong for many many years.

     
  • posted at 9:23 am on Sat, May 24, 2008.

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    What greenbelt? Didn't the big land barren Gillespie and his money men buy the greenbelt out with his votes from Hansen, Johnson and Beckman? And I did mean barren sarcastically.

     
  • posted at 7:08 am on Sat, May 24, 2008.

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    Zinfandel, how can that be if Lodi CC says the proposed greenbelt goes from 1/2 mile south of Armstrong to 1/2 mile north of Armstrong?

     
  • posted at 6:59 am on Sat, May 24, 2008.

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    jess, it stands for "Planned Residential Reserve"

     
  • posted at 6:57 am on Sat, May 24, 2008.

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    Zinfandel, what does PRR designation mean?

     
  • posted at 6:56 am on Sat, May 24, 2008.

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    Zinfandel, ditto on the bookstore idea.

     
  • posted at 6:55 am on Sat, May 24, 2008.

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    Znfandel, I am looking forward to the new medical complex too. I love the one in Stockton. It will be a plus for Lodi.

     
  • posted at 4:02 am on Sat, May 24, 2008.

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    jess, I agree with you . . .growth is inevitable.

     
  • posted at 3:57 am on Sat, May 24, 2008.

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    A suggestion for the retail section of your development. . .a book store . . . Lodi needs some decent book stores.

     
  • posted at 3:48 am on Sat, May 24, 2008.

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    We need more small neighborhood developments like the one Mike Carouba is planning.

     
  • posted at 3:46 am on Sat, May 24, 2008.

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    FYI...PRR designation goes all the way down to Armstrong Road.

     
  • posted at 3:44 am on Sat, May 24, 2008.

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    I for one am thrilled that SGMF will be building their medical offices on Harney and West Lane.

     
  • posted at 1:26 pm on Fri, May 23, 2008.

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    nellie, how would you know which Beckman I'm referring to? It's pretty plain with my reference to being on council, yet you don't hesitate to name John as the culprit? You're funny and not too informed.

     
  • posted at 11:41 am on Fri, May 23, 2008.

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    I see Lodi and Stockton just growing together. It is inevitable.

     
  • posted at 9:05 am on Fri, May 23, 2008.

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    Papercut- please do not throw the entire Beckman family name in that mix. John is the only politician & building proponent. Previous generations have been pillars of this community in farming, grapes, diary, manufacturing (supermold), banking, and investments.I've known the many branches of the Beckman family tree for 50yrs. Don't make a general remarks about a once large area family.

     
  • posted at 6:50 am on Fri, May 23, 2008.

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    Hopefully the property owners got some good upfront money so when they tell the Buyer to take a hike they'll have some money in their pockets. No question land values are lower today than they were two years ago when this deal was probably negotiated. If the property owners can hold out the best thing they can do is wait until the market turns around. And it WILL turn around. No need to be "threatening" your own clients.

     
  • posted at 4:49 am on Fri, May 23, 2008.

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    papercut, geez, I misspelled your name. My Bad. Sorry.

     
  • posted at 4:48 am on Fri, May 23, 2008.

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    poapercut, right now his is sending "threatening" letters to the homeowners on Stockton St. If they will not let him reappraise their land, he will drop the contracts.I say they should let the contracts drop. Their land is so much more valuable now that it is in the city. They get to keep the upfront money they already received even if the contracts are dropped. With Sutter Gould being built 1/4 mile away, their land will be gold. I say DO NOT NOT FALL FOR THEIR SCARE TACTICS. Hang in there.

     
  • posted at 4:44 am on Fri, May 23, 2008.

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    Cogito, Lodi is going south to Scottsdale Road. Stockton is growing North to the original entrance to Micke Grove. There will be no viable farmland between the two. I also heard Diede wants to put a big hotel on the corner of Armstrong and 99 Frontage Rd (where the dying apple orchard is with the fruit stand). Sounds like the vineyards on Armstrong will not be there for long.

     
  • posted at 4:40 am on Fri, May 23, 2008.

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    And Reynolds Ranch was never about anything but the BC/BS building and the commercial and strip mall that will come along with it. Gillespie knew that and now he wants to back away from his deal. That's about as dirty as it gets.

     
  • posted at 4:38 am on Fri, May 23, 2008.

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    Wasn't council person Hitchcock one of those who tried to manipulate who would and wouldn't be in the greenbelt along with Beckman? All these same names keep resurfacing time after time.

     
  • posted at 4:36 am on Fri, May 23, 2008.

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    sam, isn't this one of the issues T & C was pointing out when they conveniently banned him? What about that greenbelt now? Tie all these crooks in together and you have a big bundle of corruption. Same names, same faces, same families and same council members and city planners involved. Time to investigate while business is slow.

     
  • posted at 4:09 am on Fri, May 23, 2008.

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    With Lodi now south of Harney, and Stockton north of Eight Mile, Someone better decide where you want the sign to be placed that says "Stockton city limits" on one side and "Lodi city limits" on the other. Looks like it could be only a couple of building booms away.

     
  • posted at 3:03 am on Fri, May 23, 2008.

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    Is it not funny that Carouba's father in law, Carl Fink, WAS on the greenbelt task force and had his land taken out of the proposed greenbelt to allow Lodi to jump Harney so he could develop his land?Lodi's leaders are so sLeEzY. Jumping Harney Lane destroyed Lodi's chance of ever having a greenebelt.

     
  • posted at 2:56 am on Fri, May 23, 2008.

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    So true Leonard. And I hear Reynolds Ranch is dropping all the contracts they made with the home owners west of Stockton Street. They wanted to renegogiate and drop the promised price. Landowners, hang in there. You are now in the city limits. The value of your land will only go up with time. Don't fall for Reynolds Ranch's "scare" tactics.

     
  • posted at 1:36 am on Fri, May 23, 2008.

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    The strawberry farmers can't farm anymore because of their city neighbors. Now this sprawl will go in and the farmers who border it will have to sell to developers because they can't farm either.On and on and on until the Valley is nothing but one polluted crime ridden ghetto from Bakersfield to Sacramento.What a nightmare!

     
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