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As Cardinal Roger Mahony ends career, what legacy will people remember?

For many, his tenure has been tainted by ongoing clergy abuse scandal — first under his watch as bishop in Stockton, then as head of the L.A. archdiocese

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12 comments:

  • Kim Lee posted at 12:16 am on Wed, Mar 14, 2012.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    Sheesh.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 10:56 am on Wed, Mar 2, 2011.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2479

    ignore

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:34 pm on Tue, Mar 1, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    If you perceive this as "argument"... then it is a waste of time... I was seeking truth.
    I thought you had serious concerns and had information that I did not...
    you educating me and everyone else as to the evidence you have would be a public service... I was asking you to help in making me and others better informed... but you refused... and simply put me down... NP Steve. Just shows that you were being superficial and had nothing to offer but your opinion. Maybe you sould consider saying... if he did it... instead of... he did it. I would hate to have you as a juror on any trial of mine if you were convinced of guilt without substantial evidence.... I said that Mahony should have been prosecuted if he were guilty of what you descibe... and you still put me down... low class Steve.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 5:16 pm on Tue, Mar 1, 2011.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2479

    Darrell, this isn't a subject I am going to argue with you about. I hope that you never have cause to be better informed about it. I will pray that God will bring you the wisdom to appreciate how wrong you are about this without visiting that horror upon you or your children.

    Peace.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 4:42 pm on Tue, Mar 1, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Steve... my response was a direct response to your post. There has not been a trial and this man was convicted of nothing. I do not know that what you are saying is accurate or not. You stated this man is culpable because his decisions made it possible for another man to do the unthinkable. Maybe I am misunderstanding exactly what you are saying. Was there a trial that I am not aware of? Was he convicted?
    If you are saying that this man is culpable for others, fine… I do not know. I did not read the transcript that you have. I made the point about Bill Clinton because I believe he did worse that Mahoney. I think that it is the exact same situation People around him knew what he did, but did nothing to stop him because of who he was… they are just as culpable. I am not trying to make political points at all… I believe what I am stating. Just as I could be wrong about Clinton, I think you could be wrong about Mahony. If you would direct me to the trial and evidence that you somehow have access to, maybe I would draw a different conclusion. I am disappointed that you think I was trying to make political points… your accusation is too serious for that.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 10:51 am on Tue, Mar 1, 2011.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2479

    Not everything is about trying to score political points. This is about kids who got raped right here in Lodi. This is about people that you probably know yourself. This is about a monster that ruined the lives of our brothers, our cousins and our friends.

    Darrell, I ask with all due respect that you step way back on this one and think a little about what you are saying.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 10:46 am on Tue, Mar 1, 2011.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2479

    Darrell, this about kids who got raped right here in our town. It is not a political issue.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 2:25 am on Tue, Mar 1, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Steve... I am not as knowledgeable in the specifics of this case as you and Jackson, enough to be judge, jury and executioner. I’ll leave the verdicts to you. From what I read, he has a liberal mind set. To me, not much difference between his and Bill Clinton’s behavior…both had positions of power, but Clinton directly took advantage of an intern and 5 women that we know of... and involved in rapes more than Mahony. Clinton is beloved and cherished and has become very wealthy. Maybe Mahoney’s mistake is that he associated himself with church and believes in god. If Mohoney did as you said, he should have been prosecuted… but until I see outrage over Clinton, who I thought should have been prosecuted, I view the lefts actions in Clintons case equally as culpable… they let Clinton continue his behavior for years… May I ask, do you see a difference? I am not a Catholic or religious so my view is not a defense of Catholics anywhere.

     
  • Jackson Scott posted at 7:23 pm on Mon, Feb 28, 2011.

    Jackson Scott Posts: 386

    One of my best friends was molested by O'Grady at St Annes.

    Mahoney covered it up & simply played a shell game of Padres by moving them to another parish. He knew exactly what he was doing, and he will be judged upon his death.

    What amazes me is how all of these "good Catholics" simply look the other way in Lodi. It's like it never existed to them. Talk about living in denial. I'm sure they've been buried with some more of the guilt-trip-head-games and told to say 10 Hail Mary's.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 6:12 pm on Mon, Feb 28, 2011.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2479

    Darrell, the guy helped child molesters rape little kids. In the light of that crime, everything else is irrelevant.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 4:31 pm on Mon, Feb 28, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Interesting Steve. Some people just can not win... here Mahoney has been considered a far left liberal thinker by most of the conservative church members. He has championed the Hispanic plight and been a proponent of immigration amnesty… I hope people who knew him ( I did not) contribute and speak for things he did that have value. Obviously your point is a concern, but maybe there is another side to the story as if anything, he has always been known in the liberal world as a friend.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 11:11 am on Mon, Feb 28, 2011.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2479

    I imagine a few people will remember Mahony fondly but most will recall a monstrous criminal who aided and abetted unspeakable acts.

    The Bible tells us that such unrepentant evil doers will find justice in death, even if they manage to avoid it in life.

     
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