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Posted: Tuesday, October 9, 2007 10:00 pm

Highway 12 west of Lodi is getting new rumble strips. The intersection at Davis Road is getting a traffic signal.

A new law will double the fine for speeding on the highway that has been dubbed "blood alley" because of eight fatal accidents in the past year on the roadway between Lodi and Suisun City.

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28 comments:

  • posted at 8:37 am on Mon, Oct 22, 2007.

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    Just follow the Highway 37 example. It was virtually identical to 12...a real Blood Alley! Then, in the mid-'90s, a center divider was installed. Not a single head-on since! 37 was just as narrow as 12
    and in the same sort of terrain. Don't let them tell you it cannot be done. It already has been many times, elsewhere!!

     
  • posted at 1:56 am on Sun, Oct 14, 2007.

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    Start calling and writing letters to Nakanishi, Hansen, Andrew Chelsey (SJCOG Executive Director), Supervisor Vogel. Keep in mind that there are 3 SJCOG members who represent Stockton. We only have Hansen, who has been there 3 years with no results. If someone establishes a Citizens Group then I'll join you with all the inside info you need. Enough passing the buck between all the politicians present at that worthless meeting !

     
  • posted at 1:49 am on Sun, Oct 14, 2007.

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    NOTHING will be done until the $$$ is programmed in the SJCOG's 2007 Regional Transportation Plan (RTP). Our Measure K money is being used to widen I-5 and SR-99 and now SR-4 in order to accomodate Stockton's growth. Check out the www.sjcog.org website and read their RTP. LODI you need to wake up and learn the fix is in following the money. Larry Hansen needs to do his job as a SJCOG member. Get this on the Agenda. Do it NOW !

     
  • posted at 1:29 am on Sun, Oct 14, 2007.

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    SOLUTION: SJCOG needs to approve $500K so that Caltrans can prepare a PSR to identify ACTUAL cost. Then SJCOG needs to vote and approve cost (by adjusting their RTP)and thus commit to the construction. It starts with Larry Hansen who has been an SJCOG member for 3 YEARS !!! Do something Larry...don't just sit there.

     
  • posted at 1:28 am on Sun, Oct 14, 2007.

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    Enough talking. Here's what the public doesn't know. $20M was allocated BEFORE the SJCOG's 2007 RTP was approved. They knew it would take more $$$ to widen Hwy 12 back in 2001. That project was shelved and then brought back in 2006. $20M is not enough to widen Hwy 12. (See Cont.)

     
  • posted at 4:48 pm on Sat, Oct 13, 2007.

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    lodiman: There will always be fools.

     
  • posted at 5:01 am on Thu, Oct 11, 2007.

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    What I want to know is what took so long? Wolk's bill passed this year, but she was elected in 2002. What took her so long to get going on this very serious issue?? Why wasn't she fighting for state money before that?? They mentioned at the forum on Tuesday night that Aghazarian managed to get some $20 million for highway 99, why can't we have him fight for us who drive hwy 12, instead of ppl like Wolk who took 5 years to get going?!?!?!

     
  • posted at 3:40 am on Thu, Oct 11, 2007.

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    What irritates me is, peoples safety is not the utmost concern to our lawmakers. But, they can treat theirselves to high class dinners, upgraded travels, expensive wines, and we and our families have to suffer the consequences.

    I bet if one of their family members had to travel that road daily, they would fight much harder to widen it ! ! and it would have been DONE BY NOW !

     
  • posted at 5:17 pm on Wed, Oct 10, 2007.

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    I was on highway 12 the other day and was driving behind a man that had to be about 90 years old. He was going about 15 mph at night. There were so many cars backed up behind him I was sure one of those people, that decided to pass him, was going to get in a wreck. This time it ended fine, but some of the older people really need to stay of the road or drive in the daytime at least. They can be some of the worst drivers.

     
  • posted at 2:47 pm on Wed, Oct 10, 2007.

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    Quote: "Speeders and tailgaters do not take the weekends off... "

    Neither do drunk drivers. I agree more CHP presence is needed.

     
  • posted at 2:29 pm on Wed, Oct 10, 2007.

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    When will people learn how to drive???

     
  • posted at 1:34 pm on Wed, Oct 10, 2007.

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    Get the trucks off Hwy12.

     
  • posted at 12:58 pm on Wed, Oct 10, 2007.

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    All that double fines will do is fatten the State`s and local communities take. Stupid people will always do stupid things. This is nothing but political posturing. Throw a band-aid on it and call it "better".

     
  • posted at 12:38 pm on Wed, Oct 10, 2007.

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    They are just doing cosmetic cover-ups on this road. They tell us that the concrete dividers are too big. How about the ones they use for curves. The metal ones like you see going from Lodi to Stockton on West Lane? They aren't that wide. May even help save a life.

     
  • posted at 11:51 am on Wed, Oct 10, 2007.

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    A few days ago we were doing the speed limit on a section of 12 with rumble strips, and were still unsafely passed by someone speeding! So much for the strips!

     
  • posted at 11:51 am on Wed, Oct 10, 2007.

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    Good suggestions but here it is in my opinion. 1. Must make it a 4 lane wider road. 2. Get cops out in triple force. 3. Make truck drivers actually drive 55 and jerk there license if they speed. Rumble strips won't stop the passing. Bigger fines won't stop the speeders. Take the license and tow the car if driving without one. Impound the car and sell it to put in a road fund. Get a little tough.

     
  • posted at 10:28 am on Wed, Oct 10, 2007.

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    Anyone who spends alot of time on the road and is honest with themselves knows the worst thing is either not paying attention or being in too big of a hurry. I see it every day and am guilty myself sometimes. Please, slow down and pay attention!!!!!

     
  • posted at 10:23 am on Wed, Oct 10, 2007.

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    I am glad that Kempton pointed out that keeping big rigs off Highway 12 just wouldn't fly with commerce. He agreed that this highway is too narrow for the traffic it bears and that it needs shoulders. No one argues that these are unsafe road conditions. However, Kempton suggests that we must allow big rigs to travel in these perilous conditions because "our State's commerce depends on it!"

     
  • posted at 7:28 am on Wed, Oct 10, 2007.

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    At the same time, I think educating people would help relieve some of the pressure on the roadway and reduce accidents. My mother takes Highway 12 every day to work, and while I know she's a good driver, it worries me thinking of all the reckless drivers out there with her...

     
  • posted at 7:28 am on Wed, Oct 10, 2007.

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    I, personally, am in favor of any improvements at all they can make to Highway 12. Not only is the roadway itself dangerous, but it makes dangerous driving easier because it's so narrow and lacks so many safety precautions, such as dividers or good rumble strips. It's easy for a driver to forget to keep an eye out for their own safety, and thus the safety of others.

     
  • posted at 7:23 am on Wed, Oct 10, 2007.

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    "concerned hwy 12 commuter" said it best. Too many people are selfish drivers with no regard for others.

     
  • posted at 6:17 am on Wed, Oct 10, 2007.

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    More black and whites are needed! And on the weekends too! Speeders and tailgaters do not take the weekends off...

     
  • posted at 6:01 am on Wed, Oct 10, 2007.

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    jUST GO READ THE BLOG ABOUT HOW TEENAGERS THINK CARS ARE A FORM OF ENTERTAINMENT. And with people like Lodian defending them its not hard to see why we have problems on the road. It starts with the parents. the groundwork is already laid by the time a kid gets their drivers license. Way 2 go Lodian.

     
  • posted at 5:53 am on Wed, Oct 10, 2007.

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    to constructive idea: I agree.

     
  • posted at 4:54 am on Wed, Oct 10, 2007.

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    the first thing that needs to change is the attitude of our drivers. Get them to understand that we share the road, we don't own it.

     
  • posted at 4:14 am on Wed, Oct 10, 2007.

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    I drive 12 everyday. The biggest problem I see are the semi trucks. I've seen too many rear enders involving semi trucks driving too fast with sleepy drivers. There are other routes they can take between 5 and 80. I agree with Janie Thompson, get the semis off 12.

     
  • posted at 2:51 am on Wed, Oct 10, 2007.

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    Widening it?, Several of the fatalities have happened between I-5 and Davis Road, where hwy 12 is much wider than going throught the delta. So Wider didn't make it Better!

     
  • posted at 2:38 am on Wed, Oct 10, 2007.

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    I use this road 4 times a week for traveling. It doesn't matter how many lights you install, barriers you put up etc. The ultimate responsibility is with the drivers themselves. I agree with the increased fines, but in addition to this ANY violator should have to attend a mandatory drivers safety class focused on HWY 12 and the victims that have lost their lives. Maybe even have a family member of a victim speak to the class as well. A fee could also be collected for this class to cover it's cost.

     
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