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Vehicles randomly chosen for emissions testing in Lodi

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Posted: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 12:00 am

The Bureau of Automotive Repair, with the help of the California Highway Patrol, were randomly picking vehicles for emissions testing — more commonly known as a smog check — on Lower Sacramento Road in Lodi on Tuesday.

The goal was to test 30 vehicles.

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  • robert maurer posted at 10:39 am on Sat, Nov 2, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 485

    What will save Ca. billions is the new testing procedures to take effect this year. 2000 and newer vehicles will be tested with a device that manipulates and monitors emission control devices and checks history data stored in the ECM(computer) and a pass or fail is determined by that info.1999 and older vehicles will still be tested on dynos at STAR stations.The money saved will come from newer test equipment that plugs into the data link connector that will cost about 10-15 thousand dollars each and should be easier and cheaper to upgrade online from BAR instead of the 150-200,000 dollar dynos which need continuous testing,upgrading and repairs which require a BAR official to visit the smog check stations.

  • robert maurer posted at 4:16 pm on Fri, Nov 1, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 485

    Oh yes! I experienced these personally as a consumer in 2000. When did this change or do you frequent dishonest smog check stations?

  • robert maurer posted at 4:10 pm on Fri, Nov 1, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 485

    It is illegal in Ca. to sell more than 2 cars in a 1 year period of time without a dealer's license. The DMV informed me of this when I was liquidating my classic car and motorcycle collection.

  • robert maurer posted at 3:41 pm on Fri, Nov 1, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 485

    No,what!? The DCA/BAR do not have the manpower to investigate each complaint so they go after shops with the most complaints and violations. How are these "secret shoppers going to alleviate that problem? They will only add to it. Any honest NATEF certified smog check instructor will tell you that. Last time I checked, hybrids were exempt from smog checks. Did that change, and if so,when? As far as reducing Ca's smog by 1500 tons per day,the only way to do that is to do what Japan does: they require engine replacement at either 70,000 or 100,000 miles, I can't remember which and plant yew shrubbery along their roads.Guess where many of those low mileage engines go? Here, the USA.

  • Charlie Peters posted at 1:01 pm on Fri, Nov 1, 2013.

    Charlie Peters Posts: 2


  • Charlie Peters posted at 12:57 pm on Fri, Nov 1, 2013.

    Charlie Peters Posts: 2

    Will California State Senate confirm a Department of Consumer Affairs / Bureau of Automotive Repair (DCA/BAR) Chief who will make sure (Partial) Zero Emissions Vehicles (PZEV) that fail Smog Check get fixed. Smog Check secret shopper audits would cut California's smog by 1500 tons per day, this will reduce the cost impact to Californians by $billions$.

  • Joanne Bobin posted at 10:54 am on Fri, Nov 1, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    And here's something many people do not know. If you have a vehicle that doesn't pass smog and needs repairs that surpass $500, you can get a certificate from Consumer Affairs and turn the car over to one of their contracted dismantlers - in this area it is Pick-n-Pull in Stockton.

    They will give you a check for $1000. All the car has to do is start up and be able to drive a very short distance - can't remember - like 50 feet or something. Also, you cannot have the car towed to the dismantler - it has to limp in under its own power.

  • Joanne Bobin posted at 10:47 am on Fri, Nov 1, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Maurer: Several years ago I bought a VW jetta for my daughter from a private seller. I told the woman that she needed to have the car smogged (according to CA law) before I would pay her and take possession. She told me that I could do it and she would take the cost of the smog off the price. Thankfully, I told her no way.

    Yeah - the car needed a new catalytic converter, which I'm sure she knew when she tried to get out of the smog.

    Turns out, she and her "fiance" when selling car after car with multiple defects - and the "fiance's" father is the owner of a VW repair shop in Stockton. I'm sure they were flipping defective VW's for him by pretending to be private sellers.

  • robert maurer posted at 9:43 am on Fri, Nov 1, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 485

    Here's another fact that LNS probably won't print regarding the seriousness of bureaucrats regarding vehicle emissions. Anyone can call the CHP and complain about a gross polluting vehicle and the only info they need is the plate number and description of vehicle. The owner will eventually receive a mandatory invite from the CHP to a smog check station for testing at the owner's expense.

  • robert maurer posted at 8:56 am on Fri, Nov 1, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 485

    Here is something else that most people don't know This example happened to an acquaintance in a famous band. His car was in good condition and had recently been re-registered after passing a smog test. He received a letter from the CHP with a mandatory invite to a Smog Check Test Only Station for a test at his expense. I looked into the matter for him and discovered that anybody can get revenge on another driver by simply calling the CHP and complaining about a vehicle belching out black smoke: just provide the license number and description of the vehicle and rest assured that the owner will get the same "invite" mentioned above. This can happen to anyone. Now that should make everybody happy that government is doing its job. Happy motoring!

  • robert maurer posted at 8:22 am on Fri, Nov 1, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 485

    Not only that, notice the vehicle in the photo: it is an older model SUV or pickup with a camper shell, which even when new,was profiled as a high emissions vehicle, and probably has the older throttlebody fuel injection instead of the newer port fuel injection system and appears to not be meticulously maintained.These are the types of vehicles(profiled high emitters) that EPA,CARB,BAR) wants off the road. It is called"planned obsolescence". In the photo of the vehicle,if it failed the test, it may cost as much as half the value of the vehicle to repair it,thus the owner has an expensive decision to make. Technically, a smog check technician works for the government and must meet much of the same criteria as a police officer as far as having a clean background goes.(the same state forms are used).As I stated previously, it is a scam and the main reason that I only repair cars for people on fixed or limited incomes is that I have a conscience and refuse to take part in forcing anyone to give up what may be their only way of getting their kids to school or to work.Yes, I know a little about this subject. My State of California BAR Licensed Smog Intern ID card was #EI142764.

  • robert maurer posted at 7:20 am on Fri, Nov 1, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 485

    A lot of people don't know that a dealership is required by Ca. law to replace any failed emission controlled part free of charge if the vehicle is less than 7 years old and has less than 70,000 miles on the odometer.(this may have changed recently). Some shoddy dealerships will try to get out of their responsibility. If this happens.contact Ca.Dept. of Consumer Affairs Bureau of Automotive Repair online or go to a local DMV for the appropriate complaint forms to fill out and send to BAR.

  • robert maurer posted at 6:49 am on Fri, Nov 1, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 485

    Andrew, He'll hate it when he finds out the cost of something like a catalytic converter: $500-$1500, depending on the make and model of the vehicle, and I'm talking about an average vehicle,not the expensive,top of the line models.

  • robert maurer posted at 6:42 am on Fri, Nov 1, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 485


  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:57 pm on Thu, Oct 31, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Obviously I have a problem with illegal and unconstitutional VIPR checkpoints.

  • Eric Barrow posted at 4:20 pm on Thu, Oct 31, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1604

    You have a problem with the preamble to the Constitution or is it Lincoln's Gettysburg address that bothers you.

  • Andrew Liebich posted at 1:59 pm on Thu, Oct 31, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Robert, Do you think Mr. Barrow will enjoy his first experience with a VIPR checkpoint?

  • robert maurer posted at 12:21 pm on Thu, Oct 31, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 485

    It obviously isn't or they would not be doing this. "We" are doing ...? ..."to see if "our" emissions program is working? oh, spare me...

  • robert maurer posted at 12:12 pm on Thu, Oct 31, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 485

    ...a car can fail the test with only a minor problem and not allowed to be re-registered until the problem is repaired, despite the fact that exhaust gas readings are still far below allowable legal limits. Just another money grabbing scheme from government entities to expand their entities (EPA,BAR,CARB) and increase revenue at the taxpayers expense. I am thankful that some states do not have any smog check laws in place, and the air is not any more polluted than those areas that have enhanced smog check testing.

  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:12 am on Thu, Oct 31, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Why can't BAR use the information obtained from the hundreds of thousands of smog certificates required to register a vehicle?

  • Joanne Bobin posted at 11:08 am on Thu, Oct 31, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    I really do not see the sense in this.

    Since vehicles must have a SMOG done every other year in order to renew the registration, and the registration on the car is current, there should be no reason for "randomly" stopping cars unless it is clear that they are emitting some black smoke or they have no current registration sticker on their back plate.

  • Treacy Elliott posted at 9:47 am on Thu, Oct 31, 2013.

    Treacy Elliott Posts: 77

    During the early and mid 70's I lived in the Bay Area and the CHP had checkpoints that did the very same thing. Checked emissions, visual inspection of the engine compartment to ensure the smog devices were not disabled and did a sniffer test. The only difference was if your car failed, you got a fix it ticket

  • Eric Barrow posted at 8:01 am on Thu, Oct 31, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1604

    Yes, we are doing a study to see if our emissions program is working and they were giving drivers that failed info without consequences. That is just like a third world country.

  • David Flanagan posted at 5:29 pm on Wed, Oct 30, 2013.

    Dave Flanagan Posts: 1

    Our country is no more. Its a sad day when Americans have checkpoints like a third world country...



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