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Posted: Monday, July 27, 2009 10:00 pm

It was supposed to be a "bloodless bullfight," a dangerous dance between a pirouetting matador and an enraged bull that would not end in death.

But this time-honored Portuguese tradition capping a religious festival was anything but bloodless.

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21 comments:

  • posted at 8:02 am on Wed, Jul 29, 2009.

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    ..."...an animal welfare investigator charged into the ring..."Not very bright.

     
  • posted at 12:27 pm on Tue, Jul 28, 2009.

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    Dogs4you....my two dogs are my babies and are treated like a king and queen (both are labs too). Thanks for asking. To suggest that the AP writer is factual is like saying that everything the National Enquirer prints is truth.stories sell papers! Obviously nothing came out of the thornton bullfight incident... I think if everything the AP said were true then those men would be still in jail and every animal rights organization from here to kingdom come would have been at the bullfight which took place two weeks later at the same place! I wonder why we have never had PETA at any of these events....maybe because there is nothing illegal going on!!!!!!!

     
  • posted at 10:43 am on Tue, Jul 28, 2009.

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    dogbark, yes my man you are totally confused concerning Vector Control. No one has ever died from the spray Vector Control sprays, and besides it is not lethal to humans, and the night they spray, bring in your pets. Vector Control sprays to kill mosquito`s which carry the West Nile virus. So DB, now you know, and that`s the way it is.

     
  • posted at 9:45 am on Tue, Jul 28, 2009.

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    Why bring in veternarians; they will spray that fogg around and the defenseless creatures will gasp and choke and drop to the ground dying of suffocation.Oh wait. I mixed up Veternarians with Vector Control.

     
  • posted at 9:10 am on Tue, Jul 28, 2009.

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    And one more thing, those morons that run with the bulls in Spain. To do such a dumb thing I would think their IQ is in the single digits. I always root for the bull, but sadly I seem to loose, even though the bulls scored one for their side. After the running they are all buchered. Talk about cheap thrills.

     
  • posted at 9:04 am on Tue, Jul 28, 2009.

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    redonkulous, all I know is what I read in the newspaper or on line, perhaps that is the reason I don`t believe all I hear and half of what I see. Mark Twain gets credit for the opening sentence, he never saw the inter-net.That said, the AP writer must have some knowledge to put such a controversial subject up for grabs. You are evidently saying that the AP writer is full of ( forgive this Bull ) bull. And to this day my kids (all grown ) and in their 40`s were always loved and still are today. I spend 4-5 hours a day tending to my two yellow Labs. I just got home from taking them swimming, now it`s off to brush them and cut their nails. Are your animals in Good Hands ????

     
  • posted at 8:39 am on Tue, Jul 28, 2009.

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    Dogs Both my kids and my animals are well taken care! As we use the animals for show, rodeo and enjoyment as family pets that produce food to feed my family As far as the butchering of the animals maybe you should find out the whole background on the bull fights as to why they do it and why certain bulls are picked and used.

     
  • posted at 8:29 am on Tue, Jul 28, 2009.

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    Dogs...maybe next time you should state where you are referencing your info from. It sounded like you were speaking from personal knowledge. I read the article....it's the same one that was in the Stockton Record the day before. The AP writer is exaggerating a lot! I was there the night in question and it wasn't a bloodly melee as they make it seem. It was a bunch of hot tempered and visibly upset people wondering why some random guy was putting not only himself but others in danger by running across the arena. The guy could have been a terrorist for all we knew. He was in plain clothes. I didn't see any blood- not on the bull or those involved in the altercation-did anyone else?

     
  • posted at 8:17 am on Tue, Jul 28, 2009.

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    redonkulous, I got that information via the Associated Press that states the bulls are buchered after the event. Perhaps you should have read the article, evidently you didn`t. And in Spain the bull is always killed.Bull, maybe your speaking of your kids.Mike, providing the animals can still perform, they will live to be a good age. A prize bull might work a total of 10 minutes in a life time, concindering he works at best 8 seconds a day, and mostly on week ends. Sooner or later they all end up at McDonalds.

     
  • posted at 7:03 am on Tue, Jul 28, 2009.

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    Amen "Oh Bull"!

     
  • posted at 6:45 am on Tue, Jul 28, 2009.

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    Pretty soon we aren't going to live in a FREE country! There going to tell us when and how to flush the toilet. People beware AND FIGHT FOR WHAT IS RIGHT AND WHAT OUR FOR FATHERS DID. YES THESE ACTIVITES HAVE BEEN AROUND FOR A VERY LONG TIME! AND THE ANIMALS ARE BETTER CARED FOR THAN MOST OF OUR CHILDREN ARE.

     
  • posted at 6:34 am on Tue, Jul 28, 2009.

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    dogs4u....have you ever been to a bloodless Portuguese bullfight?If not then you should do a little research! I have been going for over twenty years and have been a spectator, an emergency responder and have hung around the pens in the back-NEVER have I ever seen a bull slaughtered after an event. There are laws against this-you are sadly thinking about mexican or spanish bullfighting where the bull is killed, sometimes in the ring. That is not the case in Portuguese bullfights. I am married into a portuguese family and grew up with many portuguese friends. I have been to rodeo's, many! Actually, might be going to the one in Stockton in September! You are a hypocrit to think that those animals arn't hurt in the process of Rodeo....ever watched a steer break it's neck in the middle of a ring during team roping! I have...explain that to your kids as it happens in front of their eyes. Hey, I heard ACI is taking applications....you should join-sounds right up your alley!

     
  • posted at 6:17 am on Tue, Jul 28, 2009.

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    Dogs4you, do you actually believe rodeo stock just goes off to the green pastures to die of old age?

     
  • posted at 5:29 am on Tue, Jul 28, 2009.

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    redonkulous, to put bull fights in the same catagory as rodeo, have you ever been to a rodeo. According to what I have read the bulls become ring savy and are burchered, not so when it comes to rodeo. All the animals are well cared for before and after their event, to preform another day. The last thing a stock contractor wants is to loose an animal as they are worth allot of money.As far as milk is concerned, you say you will stop producing it. Who do you think you will hurt the most as milk can be brought in from other states if necessary, while the milk producers in this state die on the vine.Mommy2, if you have gone to a bullfight and see nothing wrong, you evidently are not aware of what happens to the bull after he is taunted and then killed out side of the ring, and tell your kids what happens to the bull also.

     
  • posted at 5:03 am on Tue, Jul 28, 2009.

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    I am a Proud Portuguese Women and a mom of two...I think that these animal rights activists are going overboard...I have grown up going to the bullfights and I truly do not see anything wrong with it...It's part of our culture...Redonkulous I agree with you about the milk...

     
  • posted at 4:29 am on Tue, Jul 28, 2009.

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    Just a irrational thought...could you imagine if the Portuguese, who own and manage majority of the dairies in california decided to stick it everyone and stop providing milk! Our milk costs would sky rocket! I am sure those idiots from ACI wouldn't care.....they are probably vegans anyways! haha!

     
  • posted at 4:25 am on Tue, Jul 28, 2009.

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    Haha! Ok!

     
  • posted at 3:36 am on Tue, Jul 28, 2009.

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    Just animals and old people.

     
  • posted at 3:06 am on Tue, Jul 28, 2009.

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    Hey Mazie...what about Kids...or rodeo animals, or hey what about those poor defensless fish that are plucked from our rivers and streams on a daily basis only to be gutted while more then likely still alive? Just curious?! I thought Animals and old people were a little broad.

     
  • posted at 3:04 am on Tue, Jul 28, 2009.

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    Here we go again! lol!

     
  • posted at 2:35 am on Tue, Jul 28, 2009.

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    You don't hurt animals and you don't hurt old people.

     
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