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Transit employees, police don't want homeless at station for Sunday breakfast

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  • posted at 1:08 pm on Sun, Nov 2, 2008.


    I ALLOT of cases, Homelessness is a CHOICE..

  • posted at 3:41 am on Fri, Oct 31, 2008.


    T C Reread rrpjt's comments. I know for a fact that this person knows what they are talking about. You are challenging Church's to step up. I am challenging you as an individual to step up because that is what it takes. One person with a heart and passion for an idea to make a difference. I believe the Church's involved in the ministry this article is about are doing that. Some people contribute and some do the leg work. But we all believe it is a worthy cause. No-one is looking for a pat on the back. The only reason I answered any of these comments is all the negative ones. I come in contact daily with homeless people. If someone asks me for food I try to help them if I can. We all have compassion for the commercials on TV showing hungry children in other countries. Well they are right here in Loveable, Liveable Lodi. With the economy going like it is anyone could end up in that condition.

  • posted at 3:15 am on Fri, Oct 31, 2008.


    Sometimes songbird, God works miracles. Sometimes he works thru others, and those "Small things that we do"...become "Huge miracles" to those who have lost all hope"! Change begins thru knowing what the problem is...and how to solve that problem. In truth, I believe less then 10% of the homeless in Lodi would take a church up on a offer of assistance to a relatives home if it can be arranged. Many homeless are stuck in their rut, and their addictions, habits, criminal encounters are just what they are, "The way it is, due to circumstances that have brought them to homelessness. The preditors who walk amongst the homeless prey upon them, making life for them that much harsher. If a church was to give even 1 homeless person a FRESH START, the life you save may be theirs! You will never know that "You saved their life", but God will! In any event, rather then rant or rave about the homeless, I chose to try to come up with a possible solution for some of the homeless who do want to change the way of life they are in. Where there is Help, there is "Hope"!

  • posted at 3:08 am on Fri, Oct 31, 2008.


    Good morning songbird: Hope ya have your umbrella today! You pose a good question and I in turn have a good answer; Do you remember the "Checks & Balances" part I mentioned? To be eligible for assistance, a homeles sperson would have to provide the phone number or address of the relative who might allow them into their home. This would start the verification process that that person would indeed want to accept that person into their home. It is not a simple "Here is your ticket process"! Once a church member would verify that arrangements have been made on that end, you can do the ticket arrangements on this end, (Non-refundable) to reduce the risk of fraud. Without a checks and balance system, programs such as what I propose can be abused. You speak of "Funds" from the relative to assist. Perhaps the relative is on a limited income and the destination point is far away, say Maine! This program would ease that burden and show the distant relative the person wants a "Step-up", not a hand-out! Those who are disabled, plus women and/or children are at greatest risk. Continued...

  • posted at 2:53 am on Thu, Oct 30, 2008.


    Sorry I touched a nerve. Does seem like you have a passion for your idea. One question. How does sending someone to where they have a relative living make you think that the relative will take them in and help them. Seems to me if people had wonderful relatives willing to do that, they would. Hope you go to Church Sunday.

  • posted at 12:12 pm on Wed, Oct 29, 2008.


    songbird.... "Putting someone on a bus to another county as you stated "Does not solve the person's plight of homelessness, nor does a trip to another county inspire Hope in the heart of the homeless man or woman! But offering them a "Non-refundable bus or train ticket" to a "Relatives home where they have safety, a roof over their head, and food, does inspire hope." If the ticket is non-refundable and a church member is there to give them the ticket as they board, there has been no fraud or abuse of such a worthy program! The cash for food to cover meals would be a small, very small loss for all the hope you have given that homeless person. Homeless people don't need to be killed by trains, by criminals, by disease, and they don't need to go without food or shelter. When one loses HOPE, what else have they got left to hold onto songbird? The answer is nothing!

  • posted at 12:06 pm on Wed, Oct 29, 2008.


    songbird wrote on Oct 29, 2008 3:07 PM:"We all need a little compassion in our lives."Answer me this question songbird: "Where is your compassion to help ...IF ONLY ONE PERSON to leave the streets and the dangers it entails and to be able to live instead with a relative, where there is hope, compassion, and safety? Are you saying the homeless are vaued enough for you to go down on Sundays and feed, "Getting that pat on the back from GOD"; but not worthy enough for saving one's life? "For which act of kindness would God remember you best for songbird"?

  • posted at 12:00 pm on Wed, Oct 29, 2008.


    Family is the best "Support group" anyone can have when it comes to compassion to help us start over! So you see, it is NOT a ship a problem to another town idea, but a real chance to help those who WISH to be helped! Are the church spokesperson trying to tell me that mothers with children do NOT deserve any chance to get them off the street and into a "Safe Haven of a family relative?" Look at it this way... "If the churches only are able to help 10 homeless people, what a wonderful gift of Safety and hope you have given to them! Otherwise, they will continue to wander our streets and be victims or harm others! I believe a "Fresh Start" Program could work!

  • posted at 11:56 am on Wed, Oct 29, 2008.


    My proposed "Fresh Start" program is not a "Ship them out of town concept! Stop being so narrow minded! A percentage of the homeless have distant relatives who might "Take them in and give them some Stability, safety, better health and as I said... "A Fresh Start"! The question is not..."Could it work"...but rather.... How would a homeless person, come up with the funds for the ticket and food money? I knew of a prostitution "Ship them out program once years ago in Washington State". The judge gave the prostitues in Court a choice, of leaving town or jail. Most left! A "Fresh Start" program in Lodi could be "Multi-Church funded" and a "Checks & Balances" procedure to prevent fraud! An opportunity to "Start over somewhere "AWAY from drunk or drug buddies would indeed be a "Fresh Start!" I also know of a PRISON "Early release program" Where to qualify for early release, you had to provide proof that a relative anywhere would accept you into their home! The assumption was that one would be less likely to commit a crime if they had a roof over their head and food. Continued....

  • posted at 10:07 am on Wed, Oct 29, 2008.


    One reason Churches might not want to get behind T C's suggestion is that you might be looking at people as a problem that you are trying to get rid of. We all need a little compassion in our lives. Thank God for people who have it. If this is a ministry you feel strong about maybe the Lord put it on your heart to get involved and help people. If you aren't involved in a Church, try it you may be surprised. Some welfare agencies will take people and put them on a bus to another county. That doesn't solve anything. Sacramento street has had homeless people on it all my life and adding a parking garage and trying to run them off won't change anything. Who knows what their condition is, certainly not us. We can't judge people for their circumstances. There are women out there who have been in abusive relationships and have nothing left. Is that their fault. If someone is wanting to help call a local Church and ask what you can do. Anyone of us could be in need.

  • posted at 9:42 am on Wed, Oct 29, 2008.


    T&C: your idea is only good if the homeless and less fortunate agree to be given a "one way ticket." Why not join us this Sunday and see how grateful these people are to be given a warm meal, personal necessities and a sack lunch. We will even give you a warm breakfast. Talk with some of these people and understand their situations instead of shipping them out.

  • posted at 7:19 am on Wed, Oct 29, 2008.


    Why does NO church want to offer the homeless a "Fresh Start" Bus or Trani ticket" (Non-refundable) In the homeless person's name, handed to him at the Train or Bus as they board, with enough food money to get him or her to a Relative willing to take them into their home, providing this person a warm bed, food, shower, and a family support group? Are the homeless worth feeding once a week, but not worth the effort to offer them a "Second chance to help them get out of the cycle of drugs & alcohol and/or crime they may be involved in!" If these churches truly want to do "God's Will" and help the down and out, I would like to see such a program in the Lodi News! Action always speaks louder then words like... "The groups that help feed the homeless are full of Kindness, Generosity and will be rewarded at the end"!

  • posted at 6:56 am on Tue, Oct 28, 2008.


    I think I can express some words to this matter.It is sad to see a 3 star athlete coming from Lodi on the streets just looking like a fool.And playing the role of being homeless.But he choses to live that way.And you might be thinking I have no heart or compassion.Ya I did some reasearch And he did have a full ride to UoP.Wow there nothing sad about his story(Roger Baeta)Let it be known he is out of touch with life.And what put him were he is today is himself and all bye himself.And when your at the kitchen table talking over dinner let your children know this is what happens.AS For the people out there trying to get off the street there is alot of programs out there you just have too really be homless to get it .May be they could send a social worker out there that realy cares about the peaople Lodi .When I say people I mean every one .There is a election coming up.Maybe Roger Baeta didnt take the time to read the props that are up to vote.Maybee a social worker can help?But yet again why would a person running for office care.

  • posted at 5:51 am on Tue, Oct 28, 2008.


    it is very hard to make everyone happy. The church's that help out with this are truly a blessing. Don't stop no matter what. We all should help, it is a great feeling when you give of your self to help others.

  • posted at 5:04 am on Tue, Oct 28, 2008.


    as the church prepares to leave. In the six or so years our church has participated in this I have yet to see one of the people stumble and fall on the tracks and be hit by a train. In that time that we serve the meals no commuter trains have ever stopped at the Lodi station. There have been on numerous occasions when people get off the bus that they have gotten in line and received a hot meal and sack lunch to continue on their journey. They expressed thanks that something was being provided, even on Christmas day when they received a present as well. Maybe the churches could meet with the PD and City and come to some agreeable location and guidelines for what is expected from the groups providing the food that would make everyone happy.

  • posted at 4:58 am on Tue, Oct 28, 2008.


    As one of the people who organized and started the Feeding The Hungry ministry at Lodi Community Church I understand all of the comments and concerns mentioned in the article as well as from these comments. I don't necessarily know what the other churches do when it is their turn in regards to the trash issue, but I know LCC has people whose specific job is to walk around with garbage bags and collect the trash, which we then haul back to the church and put in our own dumpsters. Yes some of the people who eat there put their trash in the cans at the station which are already overflowing because of weekend traffic. It was mentioned that the meals should be moved. My response to this is that most of these people come from the local hotels/housing there on Sacramento or Main Street and to think they would walk to Lodi Lake to get a meal that early in the day would not happen. As for loitering, most of the people (which include families with small children) eat and then head back to wherever they came from. We might see less than a dozen people finishing up eating

  • posted at 4:37 am on Tue, Oct 28, 2008.


    Hale Park is a very good location. The little (Gang's) can help feed the homeless. We should not let them or anyone else stop this from happening. The groups that help feed the homeless are full of Kindness, Generosity and will be rewarded at the end. Let's start careing about people, we all need help sometimes. God Bless them.

  • posted at 4:34 am on Tue, Oct 28, 2008.


    I hope everything works out best for everyone!

  • posted at 4:13 am on Tue, Oct 28, 2008.


    I am a member of Lodi Community Church and this is very upsetting. The people we serve are kind and respectful...and needles? Come on. Hale Park is not a safe environment for anyone, and there are children who come to get breakfast. This is too sad. And I agree...God forbid you find yourself in their shoes and you were not accomodating to them before! wow.

  • posted at 4:10 am on Tue, Oct 28, 2008.


    If the homeless would not pan-handle, trespass, steal, or leave their blood filled hypodermic needles around where kids could get stuck...I would not have a problem with them.By the way, when they refer to "recycling", that often applies to walking 50+ feet up someone's driveway to pilfer thru garbage cans. I "shoe" them away all the time, and they look at me like I am the bad guy!

  • posted at 2:39 am on Tue, Oct 28, 2008.


    You cant help but feel at least a little bit for these homeless people. but at the same time. some (SOME) of them are homeless by their own choice. Sure they dont wake up in a warm bed one morning and think "hey im gonna go sleep on the street tonight" but do not think that at least some of these people have not been offered jobs multiple times by people willing to give them second and third and fourth etc. chances. but instead of taking their earnings and doing good with them. they just go and stick them up their noses or whatever the case might be. Trust me.

  • posted at 3:05 pm on Mon, Oct 27, 2008.


    Yea, elsewhere, NOT in OUR downtown, no homeless around the "downtown wine DRUNKS"

  • posted at 1:59 pm on Mon, Oct 27, 2008.


    The homeless man wearing the pittsburg steelers jersey is Roger Baeta, a gifted athlete and one hella of an athlete whom I played right along side with for Lodi Highs football team, who as I recall did have a full ride scholarship to UOP, I was born and raised in Lodi now reside in San Diego but I periodically check the website and I was crushed to see such a gifted person athletically throw it all away for whatever reason who knows, but if it can happen to him it can happen to anyone. For those of you idiots leaving rude comments pray to your god that you never fall on hard times because I myself received a reality check seeing Roger Baeta a guy with all the promise in the world eating out of a garbage can. I wish you the best my old classmate and may god bless you class of 90. p.s remember in the end all we ever have left are the memories of greatness.

  • posted at 1:21 pm on Mon, Oct 27, 2008.


    Good evening Caliwings:I never said ONE WORD about stopping feeding these people in need! I just feel there could be a better location. My idea about the "Fresh Start" program I suggested obviously fell upon your "Deaf Ears"!

  • posted at 1:16 pm on Mon, Oct 27, 2008.


    In that picture, the Bum is wearing a steelers jersey. See what happens when to you when you are fans of pittsburgh's sports teams?????

  • posted at 1:13 pm on Mon, Oct 27, 2008.


    Okay, T & C... I can't say that I don't agree with anything that you have said. But are you saying that it is better to let these people have "no where" to go and in all probability die? The idea is that by showing compassion... regardless of why they are in the current situation... that compassion for "one's self" is returned in kind. Hopefully, they can willingly pull themselves out of the despair. Will everyone be reached... of course not. But it is far better to have "down on luck" people fed, than starving and hungry. You know what starving and hungry people do out of necessity don't you? That's right... steal, attack, or even kill to survive. No one's life is worthless.. NO ONE'S. What better message than in the center of the city to say... WE CARE! God bless those churches for making it not just about them... but about the entire community by doing it there. It would be a shame to see hunger and death in the streets.

  • posted at 12:05 pm on Mon, Oct 27, 2008.


    To councilman Bob Johnson: Please read this quote from Eubanks. "There aren't any gangs (in the park) in the mornings, and the gang members don't mess with the homeless," Eubanks replied. Seems to me the LPD thinks that there are gangs in LODI? Maybe you shlould investigate to learn ABOUT THE GANG PROBLEM infesting the eastside. You know those Reelator buddies of yours and your appraiser friends have been bragging about the "opportunities" in owning these eastside 1915 charmers. What about disclosing this to the prospective buyers in your MLS listings? Something like this? Note: This bungalow (eastside estate) is in a LOCATION noted for the high intensity of illegal criminal gang activity such as murder, rape, burglary and robbery. Please note before making an offer.

  • posted at 10:32 am on Mon, Oct 27, 2008.


    Those who "Obtain" Recyling bottles and cans and plastic legally, and "from questionable locations" will go a LONG ways to get the cash to support the "HABIT" of their choice, because others FEED THEM! To go somewhere to EAT for FREE is not an "INCONVENIENCE"! Relocation should not be an obstacle to feeding the poor homeless, or ARE THE CHURCHES stating it would be inconvenient to them?

  • posted at 8:52 am on Mon, Oct 27, 2008.


    Lee may God bless you and Jacqie for what you do. The churchs as well.I don't know what time these breakfasts start but I would imagine they don't want the homeless wandering around downtown when the the wine guzzling starts. Bad for business don'tcha know.This is just my humble opinion. (horse)

  • posted at 8:15 am on Mon, Oct 27, 2008.


    i'm certain the Roger Beata in the photo is the same man who was a star athlete at Lodi High who was awarded a full scholarship to UPO for football. how sad!

  • posted at 8:15 am on Mon, Oct 27, 2008.


    Have the church groups hold the meals at their churches.

  • posted at 7:45 am on Mon, Oct 27, 2008.


    Obviously, no one has tried this approach towards "Helping those HOMELESS who really would like a HAND-UP, not a HAND OUT! At least I am presenting a Positive idea to this forum. The only DOWNSIDE of my idea, is that 100% of the homeless will REFUSE a CHURCH, CITY, or INDIVIDUAL's offer to give them a FRESH START!What does that tell us all?A percentage LIKE the life they live as homeless! No bills, all they have to do is get other's to provide for them, and get the money, legally or illegally for their cigerettes, alcohol, and or drugs! The weather 90% of the time does not compel any homeless person from choosing not to be homeless!

  • posted at 7:41 am on Mon, Oct 27, 2008.


    Obviously, if there is a phone number, an address can be obtained by the program administrator! Upon verification of place of residence and who they will be staying with, (A) one-way ticket to the homeless person's destination can be issued with the cash to cover food expenses along the way!) (B)Someone would meet the homeless person at the bus or train station give them the ticket, and cash, and watch them board the bus or train. The (Potential) for misuse is very low in my view! A percentage of the homeless I believe would choose relocation to relatives, and try to make a "Fresh Start" with their life. Why doesn't the City, or these kind CHURCHES consider such a program? I came up with this idea from a domestic violence relocation program in Texas to get abused women a fresh start! I chose the name "Fresh Start" tho. For all of you liberal people who feel the City or Churches should offer this plan to the homeless, WAKE UP, and why not offer this to them from your heart as well! Continued....

  • posted at 7:35 am on Mon, Oct 27, 2008.


    I have a "Positive" Suggestion for ALL Churches, involved in "Reaching out" to the homeless! The same suggestion is offered to all who want to help a homeless person, as well as a possible solution for the city in dealing in with the homeless in a a "Compassionate way"! I would call the program... "Fresh Start"! Here is how I would see the "Checks & Balances way of making the program work! The Goal of "Fresh Start" is to Offer "One-Way" Bus fare or Train fare via Amtrak or Greyhound for a "Homeless person and kids if they have them to a distant city/State where they have relatives willing to take them in! In this way, they will have a permanent roof over their head, three meals a day, shower, and a "Support group who care about this homeless person. This is NOT a "Here's a free tickit out of town to be someone elses problem plan. It has a checks & balances protection built right in! A homeless man or woman would have to complete a form with the name, address & phone number of their relative. Continued...

  • posted at 7:27 am on Mon, Oct 27, 2008.


    "Why make it difficult for the homeless"? You just made me spill my coffee! "Many of these homeless CHOOSE to be homeless relying on the "Good hearted people to CATER to their every need! There is no motivation to want to change ones life from Crime, Drugs, and a 40 ouncer! I commend those churches who do offer food or clothing, but please "Don't Cater to the homeless so that they MAKE NO EFFORT AT ALL to get help!" Why not offer programs to get them back on a decent road of life? "Too much effort huh?"

  • posted at 7:24 am on Mon, Oct 27, 2008.


    The article is missing some key information, such as what communication has/is taken place between the LPD and the church groups. Is there actually resistance from the church groups to move the location? Easy solution: 1) remind the homeless that they can help by making sure their trash goes into the trash bins and to keep the restrooms clean, 2) if the church groups are providing volunteers to dish out the food, they can volunteer someone afterward to walk around with a trash bag and help tidy up the station and its restrooms, and 3) post an LPD car at the station for a few hours to assure the public that the area is safe for all, and to also show that this is a community concern - public and private alike.

  • posted at 6:55 am on Mon, Oct 27, 2008.


    How about Lodi Lake? Hutchin Street Square?

  • posted at 6:24 am on Mon, Oct 27, 2008.


    Hale Park isn't a safe place anymore due to the presence of drug dealers and gang bangers. Homeless families would be at risk there. I read a suggestion yesterday that these meal distributions take place in Carnegie Park near City Hall. That's actually a good idea.

  • posted at 5:20 am on Mon, Oct 27, 2008.


    Audi: you can contact any of the churches listed in the article for donations. I know that a letter to the editor was recently written requesting rain gear and warm clothes for the homeless. The S-mart on Lodi Ave has plastic rain ponchos for $1 in a sale bin at the end of one the isles. Thank you for your donations and concerns.

  • posted at 5:18 am on Mon, Oct 27, 2008.


    Lodi has many pocket locations of homeless people; Some have help available and others don't want it. Location doesn't matter; they can definitely find their way to a liquor store or drug house; "too far away" for them to travel to get a free meal . . . Now that's too unreal. Comprise is needed when talking about individuals who are putting themselves and communities at risk. visit:www.SunhouseWarriors.org

  • posted at 5:17 am on Mon, Oct 27, 2008.


    I have to say that I am ashamed of my City's Government and Employees who have made this bold statement. It is also a very bold statement by even my city newspaper when my statement was cut, and it was the first on this story. When it comes to human life being discarded, you bet I am going to be passionate... I even censored my own words. Your right people don't talk like this... in Mickey Mouse Lodi... grow up will you guys at website management (that's why blogs are putting newspapers out of business) Lord only knows that some of us might end up in the same boat. Four churches are more compassionate than our city's representatives... never a good sign.

  • posted at 5:09 am on Mon, Oct 27, 2008.


    The Cherry Plant Chain link fencing across from 10 S. Main Street has "No Trespassing" signs posted, yet the HOMELESS bring their own chairs, "What Nerve" and set up this location seven days a week. The police move them along when called, but then they come RIGHT back! Police will drive by later, see that the homeles shave returned....and keep driving! LPD??? Please keep the fence area across from 10 S. Main street CLEAR of the homeless. ESPECIALLY once it gets DARK! They know the NON-Emergency LPD office is closed!

  • posted at 5:03 am on Mon, Oct 27, 2008.


    Try having 12-15 homeless near your residence like I see SEVEN DAYS A WEEk at 10 S. Main Street and across from 10 S. Main Street from as early as 9 am, till past midnight EVERY SINGLE DAY!I sweep up the needles, bottles and endless cigerette butts they throw down as well as all their trash! It is a never ending job I volunteer to do for my block, because everyone here on my street has a RIGHT to have a clean street like the rest of Lodi! I wish the city of Lodi would quit "Pandering to the homeless...."worried some high priced attorney would file a class action lawsuit on behalf of the homeless if the POLICE enforced the "No Loitering" Ordinance L.M.C. 9.08 ! We have "Rights too"!

  • posted at 4:55 am on Mon, Oct 27, 2008.


    midtowner, you say you supply clothing. Are you in need of more clothing items? If so, what do you need and where can donations of clothing be made?

  • posted at 3:42 am on Mon, Oct 27, 2008.


    My father, daughter and I have served breakfast to the homeless on Sunday mornings. These people are down on their luck AND have made poor choices in their lives, but, they are hungry. We supply them with a sack lunch, hygene and make-up items and some clothing. I believe that there will be more people in need of food as the economy worsens. Why is the LPD concerned about the homeless and their behavior? Are there not bigger concerns for the LPD in our fine community? Let's look at the big picture, please.

  • posted at 3:33 am on Mon, Oct 27, 2008.


    this is mean lodi PD clean up Lodi drug dealers gangs.. goodness just as always you people don't think Hale park could it get any worst be homeless? and the gangs don't hurt or treaten the homeless well wrong there I have seen it many times when I am in Lodi and oh the people riding the bus and dial-a-ride why should it worry them they have what they need the article made me mad and sad and glad I moved out of Lodi.

  • posted at 3:10 am on Mon, Oct 27, 2008.


    "Former" the Pietro's ad has been there for quite some time. I read the online edition close to everyday and always it always comes up in the spot.

  • posted at 3:00 am on Mon, Oct 27, 2008.


    Two comments: re the line in the 3rd paragraph "officers have kept an eager eye on the homeless" - an eager eye? Is everyone so eager to catch the homeless doing something wrong? And I find it rather ironic that the paper runs a streaming advertisement for Pietro's Restaurant - come eat at our house - right next to an article regarding feeding the homeless.

  • posted at 2:39 am on Mon, Oct 27, 2008.


    Is Lodi Station any less "public" than Hale Park? If not, then the police aren't revealing the whole truth behind this story. It isn't as if the train or bus traffic at the station is so voluminous that these people are getting in the way. For whatever reason these folks find themselves homeless, we should all be applauding (very enthusiastically) these churches for providing a Sunday meal for them, regardless of the venue. These church-folk are only obeying the word of God - and they aren't just paying lip service to curry favor with the Almighty. While there may be some (homeless) who violate the law during this time at the train station, no one will fault the police for enforcing the law to keep things under control. However, this so-called homeless "problem" is made less so because of the kindness and generosity of these churches and the work that they do.

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