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Posted: Saturday, June 4, 2011 12:00 am | Updated: 1:07 pm, Sat Jun 4, 2011.

A family who owns a dairy is suing the city over environmental documents prepared for a new office building complex at the corner of West and Harney lanes.

The suit alleges that the city needs to conduct more studies to accurately show the affects of the project on the environment.

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  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 4:50 pm on Fri, Jun 10, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Lee stated...Darrell Baumbach: Let me put it this way... Too bad they couldn't use some of the many vacant buildings that already exist in Lodi. There are a lot of them. It's sad to see new buildings go up when there are so very many just sitting there empty. And these buildings have been sitting there for years.
    Lee...I can agree that it is sad to see so many empty buildings... but why blame a new business for not filling them... Costco just went in and already the city is all smiles as property and sales tax will be generated to fill its coffers... If this new development on Harney is completed with a substantial tenant, the property tax will be great for Lodi... Maybe, if enough new business is created and encouraged, it will set a tone which might result in more businesses wanting to do business in Lodi. Maybe, some of these businesses will occupy these empty buildings as a result... I do not think it sad at all that new business decides to come to Lodi, even if existing empty buildings are not filled first. I think it is short sighted to do as you suggest.

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 11:57 pm on Thu, Jun 9, 2011.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    Darrell Baumbach: Let me put it this way... Too bad they couldn't use some of the many vacant buildings that already exist in Lodi. There are a lot of them. It's sad to see new buildings go up when there are so very many just sitting there empty. And these buildings have been sitting there for years.

     
  • Steve Pegg posted at 11:52 pm on Thu, Jun 9, 2011.

    Steve Pegg Posts: 8

    Joanne, just to clear something you wrote earlier. My wife has Blue Shield and they are OK with LMH and Sutter-Gould. I am looking on the back of the card.

    I buy berries at the stand and will hate to see it go. I agree that there are other properties available all over town and those should be filled first. I guess if $4 a gallon gas doesn't get you up in arms, maybe $7 a pound strawberries will. i will be growing my own.

     
  • Josh Morgan posted at 6:01 am on Tue, Jun 7, 2011.

    Josh Morgan Posts: 532

    Including the vast majority of citizens who voted overwhelmingly to proceed with the project. To my recollection that goes back many years (more that I'd like to admit) this if the first project that required approval of the voters.

     
  • Doug Chaney posted at 10:10 pm on Mon, Jun 6, 2011.

    Doug Chaney Posts: 1232

    Ms. Bobin, lest you forget, not too long ago Lodi Memorial refused to accept any BC/BS patients until they overspent on the addition and remodel and found they drastically needed that BC/BS money to pay their bills. And where would you like to see this Sutter Gould project built? It's only the first of other commercial buildings to come and the only other place would be the rundown industrial area in east Lodi. You won't see any larger sized businesses come to Lodi unless they can be located in the enterprise zones with their minimum wage jobs and locate themselves in old Lodi. You should know by now that the good old boys are slowly dwindling and also losing their power structure and can't command their every wish as they are used to doing. SuperWalmart is a prime example of that. When the corrupt ones on city council overruled their own planning commission and elected to proceed with the project, many eyes were opened to the corrupt practices of those who voted yes to overrule their own planning commission.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 5:09 pm on Mon, Jun 6, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Ms Bobinstated... He is currently stuck with a lousy PCP because his Blue Shield supplement will not allow him to go to a SG PCP, so he's stuck with Hill Physicians' IPA.

    Ms Bobin... Have you looked into Blue Cross freedom blue PPO plan(senior advantage) that eliminates medicare part A&B and the cost of your supplement as the premiums are cerrently free. You then have a $3000 stop loss and only one health plan to cover in and out of hospital expenses including RX... In addition, your husband would not be stuck in an IPA as it is a true PPO Plan. You can change next open enrollment after November 15th, 2011

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 3:20 pm on Mon, Jun 6, 2011.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Baumbach, if "Bobinville" was like Lodi and its bigots, it would have to be abandoned.

    Location? Sorry, I'm not a commercial real estate developer, but I know that there is a tremendous amount of empty commercial space in this town. Or why not use the disputed SW corner of Lower Sac and Kettlemen since the WalMart does not seem to be forthcoming anytime soon? Or use the "old" WalMart if Mr. Chaney's GOB's will force the building of that project.

    Why, may I ask, do YOU insist on the Harney Lane location?

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 3:03 pm on Mon, Jun 6, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Lee...maybe "they" did see fit to check into all possibilities... in fact, I would think it likely that any organization that wants to get the best deal for what they want the land for, thoroughly appraises the land value and use, then explores all available alternatives. Why would anyone assume different? I think it is Lodi's responsibility to provide many alternatives for perspective businesses to consider Lodi... then leave it to the business entity to do what it sees best for them.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 2:56 pm on Mon, Jun 6, 2011.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    I find it interesting that one of the biggest health insurers in Lodi, Blue Shield, declines to contract with Sutter Gould, yet Sutter Gould is planning a huge medical complex. They must be relying on the elderly and Medicare to pay for services.

    People are forced to go to Sacramento (what facility?) and Stanford (who wouldn't want to go to one of the best facilities in Northern California if given the opportunity) because their health insurance does not pay for many services here in Lodi.

    My husband has had surgeries at LMH, St. Joe's, and Dameron in the past two years and we found all three facilities provided excellent care despite many negative opinions from friends and others. The only reason he was able to have his last surgery at LMH was due to his Medicare coverage. He is currently stuck with a lousy PCP because his Blue Shield supplement will not allow him to go to a SG PCP, so he's stuck with Hill Physicians' IPA.

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 2:27 pm on Mon, Jun 6, 2011.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    This is unfortunate. Too bad they can't see fit to check into the many empty buildings already available in Lodi.

     
  • Doug Chaney posted at 2:24 pm on Mon, Jun 6, 2011.

    Doug Chaney Posts: 1232

    Thank you, Mr. Scott, for your opinion regarding LMH. For a non-profit hospital, the illustrious spending and unwillingness to give employees the right to collective bargaining without employees constantly having the fear of retribution or job loss are two of the negatives I have on my list. Those are further down the list, and I won't start another conspiracy theory by telling what the real gob problems there are.

     
  • Jackson Scott posted at 1:54 pm on Mon, Jun 6, 2011.

    Jackson Scott Posts: 386

    Ms Bobin, in reference to you comment to Mr. Baumbach about LMH, perhaps I missed your point, if there was one, but another major health care provider will build a complex in Lodi in the near future... UNLESS they buy LMH.

    As Doug stated, the GOB's are in denial that LMH is a good facility. I wouldn't let my dog have surgery there. The fact is that LMH is in serious financial trouble due to their over-zealous expansion & remodel. Why do you think their prices are so bleeping high? Why do you think so many people go to Sacramento or Stanford for surgery?

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:17 am on Mon, Jun 6, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Roy... in my view it is not a pissing contest at all... but it is very negative and I prefer to be positive. Thank you for your thought. Maybe you could help me out. From what perspective do you perceive Ms Bobin as a good thinker? I know when I see things from a different angle and light, it sometimes helps me to understand better... I am open to your insight as maybe I need a fresh perspective.

     
  • roy bitz posted at 8:36 pm on Sun, Jun 5, 2011.

    roy bitz Posts: 499

    Rule 5-----be nice!

    Darrell---Joanne---let it go!
    You are good thinkers and I appreciate your views on issues. I am bored to death by the pissing contest.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:45 pm on Sun, Jun 5, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Ms Bobin... please collect yourself and focus...Still waiting on your analysis... that 30 acres in the city limits... the topic is about agricultural land and the claim that there is plenty of space within the city limits to accommodate a similar development... you were going to suggest an exact location but you did your silly slip sliding two step and attempted to change the focus... this is not about your imaginary bigots you see in Bobinville... this is about the letter to the editor and the topic it contains...

    in addition, your comment about me not being the sharpest tool in the shed.. that is the only accurate thing you stated... I acknowledge that there are many who are much sharper than I. I have to work twice as hard as the next guy just to keep up... I am happy and content with that. I simply do my best and try as hard as I can... I have learned over time to gravitate toward people that are kind and caring and stay away from people like you who bring misery to people that cross their path. I am thankful we have never met.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 4:10 pm on Sun, Jun 5, 2011.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Nice try to save yourself, Mr. Baumbach. You cannot distinguish between a Sikh Temple and a mosque? Especially when there is a sign in front that states exactly what it is? Doesn't matter, it's probably all the same to you.

    Mr. Baumbach stated: "I cannot think of another blogger anywhere who appears as malicious and catty as you. Honestly, its time to get out of your mental diaper. You should shower and clean off all than verbal sludge Ms Bobin. You will feel better."

    As usual, bigoted comments. Don't ask me to explain the bigotry here. It should be obvious. But then again, you are not the sharpest tool in the shed. Tool, yes. Sharp, no.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 2:54 pm on Sun, Jun 5, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Clarification for Ms Bobin... as I stated many times... I am not a religious person... I see mosques and temples as facilities to worship... you are correct that I was referring to the Temple as a Mosque... but to me, I was just identifying land that was taken out of agricultural use as the main point. Thank you for the correction in respect of the temple. However, your intent is juvenile and a waste of time.
    Ms Bobin stated...Perhaps, Mr. Baumbach, you are not familiar with Lodi Memorial Hospital and surrounding medical complexes? Another statement not well thought out.

    Ms Bobin... I did not file the law suit or did you. They stated there was plenty of room to build within the city limited what is to be built on the 30 areas...

    There is nothing for me to research or suggest.. I think the 30 acres is a good location for this project... obviously you do not... did you want to suggest a specif location with 30 acres in the city limits or were you just "all talk" as usual.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 2:42 pm on Sun, Jun 5, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Clarification for Ms Bobin... as I stated many times... I am not a religious person... I see mosques and temples as facilities of worship... you are correct that I was referring to the Temple as a Mosque... but to me, I was just identifying land that was taken out of agricultural use as the main point. Thank you for the correction in respect of the temple. However, your intent is juvenile.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 2:31 pm on Sun, Jun 5, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Ms Bobin stated...etc." Also interesting - "LARGE mosque?" Obviously reveals your bigotry
    Ms Bobin.. you perpetual monstrous misinterpretation of what you read is beyond ridiculous; its childish and juvenile. In fact, I cannot think of another blogger anywhere who appears as malicious and catty as you. Honestly, its time to get out of your mental diaper. You should shower and clean off all than verbal sludge Ms Bobin. You will feel better.
    You interpret I am a bigot because I singled out only the Mosque as “ large” . In fact, I happen to drive by the Mosque on West Lane often. It is isolated and pronounced (visible). It also is memorable as it is surrounded with steel fencing which is odd to me for a mosque... It looks large to me and since the conversation was about land use, and was fresh on my mind, I accentuated “large”... As far as my attitude toward this mosque, I think of it as a positive entity but I do not know that for a fact. The grounds look nice and I never see anything disruptive or negative as a consequence. I have been in at least 10 Mosques in my life and have never felt negative. The people have always treated me well and I respect them.

     
  • Doug Chaney posted at 12:11 pm on Sun, Jun 5, 2011.

    Doug Chaney Posts: 1232

    I'll venture to say that this project will again bring not only good paying construction jobs to Lodi, but will supplement this area with Sutter-Gould health services and maybe open the eyes of Lodi Memorial that there is competition much better than they are and perhaps they could tend to move away from the good old boys' dominance that still prevails there. The future long term jobs that Sutter-Gould itself will bring will afford many of their employees to buy homes and enjoy a nice style of living in these hard economic times. I'd think this project would hopefully spur the advancement of home building at the two Gateway projects close to that area. If my assumptions hold true, Reynolds Ranch will be nothing other than it is now, just another commercial strip mall along the 99 corridor. And the Sutter-Gould name itself should attract more decent paying businesses that support healthcare, along with nice fine dining eateries and small shops.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 11:32 am on Sun, Jun 5, 2011.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Baumbach stated: "Jackson makes a great point... to add to his point, since the Kaehler family argued that there are plenty of commercial spots within the city limits where the office building could go, I wonder if they could publicly state exactly which property in Lodi could be developed in the same manner and character as the proposed new location? Which property could handle the flow of traffic. Which property would have enough land to support ancillary businesses that go hand and hand with the medical facility..."

    Perhaps, Mr. Baumbach, you are not familiar with Lodi Memorial Hospital and surrounding medical complexes? Another statement not well thought out.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 11:29 am on Sun, Jun 5, 2011.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Baumbach wrote: "If you look at all the land between Harney and eight mile road that has been overtaken by businesses, churches, homes and even a large mosque without a protest, whimper, or a letter to the editor as a complaint... this is obviously a ruse."

    Apparently, as a Lodi "native," (actually, Acampo native - even though Mr. Baumbach thinks that the mere name "Baumbach" entitles him to some sort of extra privileges in Lodi) Mr. Baumbach is a newcomer to reading the LNS. There have been numerous letters, protests and whimpers "as a complaint" over the years to the various "churches, mosques, etc." Also interesting - "LARGE mosque?" Obviously reveals your bigotry - every single religious installation between Lodi and Stockton is LARGE. All of the Christian installations are huge compared with the proposed mosque and the present Sikh Temple (in case you have confused the Sikh Temple with a mosque due to your ignorance).

    Educate yourself before you make embarassing comments, Mr. Baumbach. When your neighboring landowners in Acampo start selling out for multi-million dollar deals, we'll see what "ruse" you come up with to combat the land grab.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:47 pm on Sat, Jun 4, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Jackson stated...Sure, there is a ton of open commercial office space available in town. BUT, not enough at ONE location for this type of project. There is no way to do "in-fill" development

    Jackson makes a great point... to add to his point, since the Kaehler family argued that there are plenty of commercial spots within the city limits where the office building could go, I wonder if they could publicly state exactly which property in Lodi could be developed in the same manner and character as the proposed new location? Which property could handle the flow of traffic. Which property would have enough land to support ancillary businesses that go hand and hand with the medical facility... In fact, maybe they can offer to pay for the environment studies and bringing up to code that would be required to redevelop existing structures in the quest to help save the farm land.

     
  • Jackson Scott posted at 8:17 pm on Sat, Jun 4, 2011.

    Jackson Scott Posts: 386

    Excellent point Josh. I laugh at the signs at the intersections about "save our strawberries."

    First, Mr. Fink has owned that corner land for well over 15 years. Prior to when it was opened as a golf range. Second, Fink & his son-in-law Carouba have been in negotiations with several health care giants for years about this project. Third, if our City Attny Schwabauer says that the reports are good, I'll bet my house that they are good.

    Sure, there is a ton of open commercial office space available in town. BUT, not enough at ONE location for this type of project. There is no way to do "in-fill" development.

     
  • Josh Morgan posted at 5:34 pm on Sat, Jun 4, 2011.

    Josh Morgan Posts: 532

    I'm just curious as to where these people were during planning commission and city council's public hearings regarding the zoning and EIR's of this property. I'm guessing there had to be at least three of four hearings on this matter at both levels with notifications to the surrounding property owners. Why now?

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 4:35 pm on Sat, Jun 4, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Kevin... great post... it is common knowledge that the Lodi area is a farming community and that the soil in this area is prime and of highest quality. However, this lawsuit is self serving and hypocritical from my perspective. The article states the family is upset with the loss of farmland and it appears that is the motivation of the law suit... in my opinion, that is a ruse.
    If you look at all the land between Harney and eight mile road that has been overtaken by businesses, churches, homes and even a large mosque without a protest, whimper, or a letter to the editor as a complaint... this is obviously a ruse. No one filed lawsuits then, no environmental studies were requested then... but now that this tiny 30 acres of land is to be developed in this particular area, suddenly... there is a problem. I wonder how many acres of agricultural land have been taken out of production for non agricultural construction in this area including private homes, businesses, golf courses, churches and other miscellaneous concerns.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 3:20 pm on Sat, Jun 4, 2011.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Interesting POV, Mr. Paglia. I think that the "need" here is to make a ton of money from the despoilment and development of this agricultural land that should be part of the once much talked-about "greenbelt" between Lodi and Stockton.

    If the "first phase" of this development is costing 40 MILLION dollars, imagine the profit margin for the land owner and the developer.

    The Kaehler's should be congratulated for their bold decision to fight this unneeded development that could occupy any one of the numerous empty buildings already within city limits.

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 6:59 am on Sat, Jun 4, 2011.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 2012

    It is good to see that there are still people out there willing to put their need to look at weed filled fields over the creation of hundreds of jobs. With families struggling and losing their homes it is refreshing to see such dedication to forcing these struggling families into lose everything.

     
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