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Posted: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 3:32 pm | Updated: 6:05 am, Mon Jun 18, 2012.

Starting July 9, we will cease publishing the Lodi News-Sentinel on Mondays.

Many newspapers around the world are cutting back their publishing schedules, but I’m really sorry we have to do this in Lodi.

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40 comments:

  • CONNIE RIGGS posted at 10:29 am on Fri, Jun 22, 2012.

    CONNIE RIGGS Posts: 6

    In my opinion, if the LNS wants to generate more readers, they need to dedicate the front page to actual current events (local, regional & national)., not local personal stories. I love reading the local personal stories, but I think the LNS needs to produce a new page just for local personal stories, and I don't mean the panorama page. Good candidates for this new page would be yesterday's front page story about an ugly dog and a story about love was in the air at LMH and today's front page story about leaders eating a 6 lb burrito. I enjoyed 2 of the 3 stories, but they should be on another page besides the front page.

    I think many subscribers do like the local stores, as I do, and even more of these type of articles would be widely enjoyed by Lodi readers. Of course, this is my opinion.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:46 pm on Mon, Jun 18, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    I have no doubt that K Lee is correct in her comparison of herself to the younger generation she sees.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 12:11 am on Sat, Jun 16, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2346

    Actually the only places in California that do lean to the right are here in the Central Valley although I believe Lodi is pretty much half and half. While many think the News Sentinel is "all conservative, all the time," that's really not the case. I believe the editors attempt to be as balanced as possible. On the other hand it's clear to me that those who contribute on this forum are not only left, they're far left.

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 7:29 pm on Fri, Jun 15, 2012.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    John Kindseth wrote, "...the younger generation cannot read and have no interest in reading either."

    Oh, John Kindseth, you're a glass half empty kinda guy. The younger generation I see around me can read circles around me and are knowledgeable about the news minutes after it's posted somewhere in the world. And they can cross-reference faster that you can type your response.


     
  • Kim Lee posted at 7:22 pm on Fri, Jun 15, 2012.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    My goodness, Mr. Kindseth, you need to get with the times. Many (if not most) people get their news electronically these days. Even the elderly have jumped in with both feet and enjoy their iphones, ipads and laptops etc for their news, info and fun.

     
  • CONNIE RIGGS posted at 5:34 pm on Fri, Jun 15, 2012.

    CONNIE RIGGS Posts: 6

    Yes, I heard that rumor. I don't think that is right because basically when you sign up for a subscription it is like a contract, and the contract was for 6 papers a week. But I suppose the LNS can do whatever they want.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 3:25 pm on Fri, Jun 15, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2346

    Just so you know Ms. Riggs, there will be no refunds due to the reduction of service. New subscription rates have not changed. But if you choose to cancel your home delivery, then it is my understanding that they'll refund you for unused deliveries.

     
  • CONNIE RIGGS posted at 1:46 pm on Fri, Jun 15, 2012.

    CONNIE RIGGS Posts: 6

    Although I understand why the Monday issue will be discontinued, I am not happy about it. I don't like to read news on the computer as I am now on the computer too much during the day as it is. I enjoy reading it at the breakfast table in ink and paper. I have subscribed to the LNS for over 40 years, except for about a year when we cancelled it because of the very poor delivery service we were getting, and the LNS didn't seem to want to fix the problem. We fixed the problem ourselves by getting our young son to deliver it. I will certainly miss the Monday paper, and may resort to also subscribing to the weekly Stockton Record. Since I purchased a 1 yr subscription, I hope we do get a little refund for the reduced issues.

    I know that the newspaper is a dinosaur, but they are not dead. If they were dead, Mr. Warren Buffet would not have recently purchased a newspaper. He must see something positive in owning a newspaper company. I wish the LNS good luck, as I am sure there are numerous people who have not spoken out here in the forum who are not happy with the ending of the Monday paper.

     
  • Mariachi Tesoro posted at 1:28 pm on Fri, Jun 15, 2012.

    PithyOpiner Posts: 43

    Lodi can be a little right wing.

     
  • Mariachi Tesoro posted at 1:24 pm on Fri, Jun 15, 2012.

    PithyOpiner Posts: 43

    I have a good idea that will save you tons of money. Why not let the Record publish a section in their paper for Lodi. That way you wouldn't have to do anything at all and you could just kick back 24/7.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 12:28 pm on Fri, Jun 15, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2346

    I wonder if that was the second paper referred to by Mr. Schmidt. That's interesting that you referred to Steve Mann's publication as "tabloid" size as the Daily News in Philadelphia was (and still is as far as I know) published in "tabloid" size. But I remember the Philly paper as not resembling tabloid type journalism even back then but was considered so simply because of the way it was physically designed. Could this "Lodi Life & Times" have suffered the same aspersions? That would be nice to know although it probably has no bearing on the subject in question.

     
  • Jackson Scott posted at 8:05 am on Fri, Jun 15, 2012.

    Jackson Scott Posts: 386

    Jerome, Lodi has never had a second daily paper. Back in the late 70's & early 80's there was a second "tabloid" size paper published 2-3X a week by Steve Mann. I want to say the name was "Lodi Life & Times" or something like that. And it was actually pretty good.

     
  • John Kindseth posted at 9:44 pm on Thu, Jun 14, 2012.

    John Kindseth Posts: 243

    PS. Klee, you havent been in a High School lately.....and please dont bring up grammar or spelling.

     
  • John Kindseth posted at 9:41 pm on Thu, Jun 14, 2012.

    John Kindseth Posts: 243

    KLee....texting is not reading.

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 2:26 pm on Thu, Jun 14, 2012.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    John Kindseth wrote, "Its tough times when the younger generation cannot read and have no interest in reading either."

    To the contrary, Mr. Kindseth, I see young people today reading really well and also doing it at a much faster clip than I (muti-tasking!). They often read on many different devices and a lot of it is online (the web, Kindle...laptop...ipad...cell phone etc etc). Being able to choose when, where and how one gets the news these days is wide open. Online is the way to go. Many Lodians will wait for that Tuesday print edition to hit their doorstep, but a majority of people will have already read the weekends news (Sun through Mon) by then. It's really unfortunate, as I enjoy holding the actual paper in my hand as well, but the news is faster these days and waiting three days for old news is going to be too painful for most. Best wishes to the LNS in their attempts to keep things going. Gotta love this little paper. I just hope they also keep plugging along online and know that the online version is very important. I hope they work on the app too.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 1:42 pm on Thu, Jun 14, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2346

    Mr. Simon - of course online journalism is controversial. When moveable type came into play that had Ben Franklin turning out his newspapers, how many years went by before offset printing was invented? And now we're at the edge of yet another serious change in the industry/profession with the advent of pay-as-you-go online newspapers.

    Considering how much the Internet has advanced itself over the course of just 15 years, what can we expect just 20 years hence? Of course it boggles the mind. In the second link you provided where the author discusses how crafty subscribers would be able to circumvent the system of cookie-based 20-pages (or so) per day by installing multiple browsers, I found no discussion of simply basing this type of subscription on IP addresses. For the time being - problem solved!

    But like I said, what will be the protocols in 20 years or even ten? What is necessary is for newspaper executives and those they hire to really think "outside the box" (I really have begun to hate that adage) and come up with new, novel and yes doable solutions to this soon-to-be serious issue.

    As one poster here wrote that members of her family actually fight over who gets the LNS first, I would ask just why there is such a competition - and then see what is gleaned from studying her response. That could very well answer some of the questions about what it might take to get online subscribers willing to pony up $9.75 per month (the current price of month-to-month subscriptions to the LNS).

    Nevertheless, there must be a meeting of the minds and very soon if our little "daily" newspaper is to remain just that, instead of a weekly or none at all.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 9:59 am on Thu, Jun 14, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2346

    While I've only been a citizen of Lodi since 1990 when the News-Sentinel was the only paper in town, I do recall while living in Sacramento the Union closed its doors. Also, being from Philadelphia I do remember two major newspapers: the Bulletin and the Inquirer (there was also a lesser read paper; the Daily News which amazingly is still in business). But the Bulletin went belly up while the Inquirer is also still running its presses today. Interestingly, in both cities (Sacramento and Philadelphia) it was the more conservative leaning papers that failed, leaving the more liberal papers to deliver news to its readers.

    Of course the reason for that (in my opinion naturally) was that urban areas tend to be more liberal. So what might the reasons have been for Lodi’s second paper’s demise? I doubt technology had anything to do with it.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 9:51 am on Thu, Jun 14, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2346

    As far as younger folks subscribing to the News-Sentinel, perhaps the managers at the paper would be so kind as to provide us with a little statistical information in this regard. As we all are acutely aware, Lodi's population has grown quite a bit since let's say 1990. How many papers were sold at that time through home delivery compared to today when the decision was made to halt the presses? An analysis of those numbers might prove very interesting.

    While this may not conclusively answer the question as to whether our young folks actually know how to read (which is a valid concern), it might shed at least a little light on who might actually be reading the newsprint edition. Perhaps it might even lend a little support to my contention that more and more Lodians are getting their daily doses of news from online sources rather than delivered at their doorsteps.

    But one thing is certain, for those of us who want our news as fresh as possible waiting for the Tuesday edition of the LNS to be delivered to learn what has happened over the weekend isn't going to fly. Virtually everything in that paper will have already run its news cycle and then some. Not only that, but for News Sentinel devotees, I suspect they'll have been reading the online edition as well.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 7:47 am on Thu, Jun 14, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2272

    A tough call but probably a good one if it means that the LNS will continue to be a vital part of our community.

    Anyone else remember back when Lodi used to be a two paper town?

    Those were the days!

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 12:38 am on Thu, Jun 14, 2012.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    Mr. Kindseth: I don't think the LNS is shutting down the printing press on Mondays because the younger generation isn't reading.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 11:30 pm on Wed, Jun 13, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2346

    Yeah, about those “blogs” Ms. Creamer - let’s talk about those for a moment. A cursory review of that very long list of entries on that page revealed no more than ten responses in total with four lodged about one story pertaining to the installation of water meters and the balance of comments posted as singles.

    I’ve followed along the blogs since they were instituted and except for just a few times found there was virtually no interest in them at all. It appears that the majority of on-line comments are confined to the Op-Ed page which naturally is to be expected especially where political columns and letters to the editor are concerned.

    What this reveals to me is that even in this age of high-tech news the News-Sentinel is having trouble making that work as well. Now I could be completely off the mark here, but advertisers need for their published advertisements to be seen - and the Op-Ed Page is where the majority of Lodians stop to read and respond. Why? Well, could it be that even in little ol’ Lodi readers want a little more meat and a little less roughage with their news? You need to spice things up in order to entice people to actually want to read the newspaper - either in newsprint and/or online.

    But like it or not, we’re moving toward electronic delivery of our news. It’s everywhere now - even over our cell phones. Nearly gone are the days when a computer was a luxury or even a toy. Personally, I depend upon it for much of my daily living - when I boot up in the morning, I’m greeted first by my daily calendar; then the national news; followed by my banking; then the News-Sentinel; and finally by three or four sites that I find personally interesting. Heck, people can even print all the coupons they could possibly want for shopping.

    If the News-Sentinel is going to survive, it’s going to have to grab people in front of their monitors, iPads and other “smart” devices. While I still love to read a “real” book made of paper, I now depend upon my Kindle for most of my novel reading - the same is true for my reading of daily events from Lodi throughout the rest of the world.

    Soon there will be no need for soy-based ink and newsprint - and I’m afraid that day is coming very soon.

     
  • John Kindseth posted at 8:36 pm on Wed, Jun 13, 2012.

    John Kindseth Posts: 243

    I will continue to subscribe as I have since somewhere around 1980. at $ 100 a year, divided by 52 x 5 issues [260 papers] equals .39 cents a paper. Most people spill that much from their glass or mug. Also much cheaper than a yuppie coffee, about the same as a can of generic cola. Its tough times when the younger generation cannot read and have no interest in reading either.

     
  • Maggie Creamer posted at 8:28 pm on Wed, Jun 13, 2012.

    Maggie Creamer Posts: 43 Staff

    Jackson Scott — To answer your question about weekend updates, we will for sure keep the website fresh and current with the latest news. Over the last couple of months, the newsroom has made a real effort to publish news as it comes in, especially on Saturday and Sunday. We are continuing to increase our online presence and hope everyone takes the time to explore our blogs section, Newsy Neighbors and the updated stories at the top of the home page.
    If you have any ideas on how to improve our online presence, don't hesitate to comment or you can contact me at maggiec@lodinews.com. Thanks!

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 7:53 pm on Wed, Jun 13, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Jackson stated...Yes, it is a sad day in Lodi. Nobody likes to read/hear about a business in tough times in such a tough economic climate.

    Is that what you read? Me.... I read that Lodi News Sentinel took action to make certain they would be able to sell newspapers for many years to come. They made a tough business decision for the best interests of many.

    Sad day?... You would probably say it is a sad day if you won the lottery as then you would have to pay more taxes...

     
  • Marty Weybret posted at 5:04 pm on Wed, Jun 13, 2012.

    Marty Weybret Posts: 3 Staff

    To those who have expressed understanding and support, thank you. I understand there's disappointment, too. Bob Smith brought up the question of refunds. I don't want to encourage "a run on the bank" but of course we'll issue a refund on unexpired subscriptions. We've always done that. Jackson Scott talked about the publishing schedules at the Tracy Press — reduced to once a week in 2010 — and the Manteca Bulletin — dropped its Sunday edition in January and is now Mon-Sat.

     
  • Jackson Scott posted at 4:58 pm on Wed, Jun 13, 2012.

    Jackson Scott Posts: 386

    DB, always the optimist! Yes, it is a sad day in Lodi. Nobody likes to read/hear about a business in tough times in such a tough economic climate.

    But Darrell has to look down the road of negativity like Eeyore from Winnie the Pooh and say "Oh, it could have been so much worse. The paper could have closed." I guess I know now that Darrell's glass is always half-empty, and not half-full like mine.

    This does bring up one question: Will the website be updated by staff over the weekend? As now, will we still be able to read "breaking news" online?

    I wonder how many phone calls the LNS office had today on this subject?

     
  • Layla Bohm posted at 9:25 am on Wed, Jun 13, 2012.

    Layla Posts: 9

    Actually, the Tracy Press was just sold in bankruptcy proceedings, and it is now published just once a week.

    Circulation declines and newspaper closures are a long-running, sad situation. At some point, people will realize that "I get better news from bloggers" isn't true -- because the bloggers get their news from real journalists. The bloggers then put their own view on it and post it online for free. But by then it will be too late.

     
  • Simon Birch posted at 7:35 am on Wed, Jun 13, 2012.

    Simon Birch - Online Manager Posts: 158 Staff

    Mr. Kinderman (and anyone else): If you have the time and interest in exploring the debate about paying for news online, these three recent articles in the Columbia Journalism Review, and the comments on the articles, provide a good overview on how controversial the topic is in our business.

    David Simon, creator of The Wire and Treme, on the Times-Picayune cuts
    http://bit.ly/LlTbPC

    How David Simon is wrong about paywalls
    http://bit.ly/LlTeuZ

    Owens’s straw man army
    http://bit.ly/LlTg5X

     
  • Kim Parigoris posted at 7:29 am on Wed, Jun 13, 2012.

    Kim Parigoris Posts: 470

    Private businesses need to make very tough decisions and I commend the LNS for making this change (although we all wish it didn't have to be this way) and keeping the paper going. I do have to comment though, on the assumption that people that were not born and raised here, do not care about the local goings on. We moved to the Lodi area in 1998 and the only reason I DO get the LNS is to keep abreast of local events- I WANT to be part of the community. We moved here because we liked the area- does that make us less involved or less of a "local"? Sometimes the best citizens are people that made a conscious effort to be a part of something, instead of being born in to it. I am sure that there are "transients" that live here and work elsewhere, and maybe do not care to be a prt of the community, but that is life in the modern world. Sometimes if local longtimers would embrace new people more, they might get a nice, fresh look at their city and how it can improve!

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 5:53 am on Wed, Jun 13, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Kinderman makes excellent points but I approach this from a very different perspective.

    It involves my stays in Asia for long periods of time. When in Thailand and China, one notices the dramatic differences life style and expectations of the people for what they consider a good quality of life. Millions live off the land and have no stores, shopping centers, and many times parents skip dinner because there is only enough food for the kids. Many do not own cars as small motor scooters are all they can afford.

    I lived in these areas and admired how happy and content most were. Most towns the size of Lodi have never seen a local paper and couldn't afford it if there were one.

    I think we as a society have a wonderful life that many in this world would consider decadent. If these people can be happy even though they wonder where their next meal is coming from, we should be thrilled and enthusiastic no matter what comes out way considering how good we have it. Learning to live with a little less than we are accustomed to with a bright happy demeanor would be healthy. Of course we strive to improve , expand, grow and expect to achieve...but in comparison to have never even seeing a local paper, five days a week of a great local publication is great!

    There might be all sorts of actions the paper could take to solve their economic concerns. Mr Kinderman makes good sense. However, I choose to take a positive view and appreciate what is without a second thought.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 11:48 pm on Tue, Jun 12, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2346

    Here's where I have a problem with this decision. If advertising revenue is what pays for 80% of the cost of publishing a paper, how would eliminating one day's worth of advertising revenue help? Did advertising rates also go up as a result of stopping the presses for Monday's edition? In essence what has occurred is that those who subscribe to the paper just saw their rates increase; and it won’t take long for them to figure that out. Without readers there will be no advertisers.

    I was always flummoxed that Lodi didn't have a Sunday paper. Clearly that one day is what most newsprint subscribers look forward to the most. There's just something warm and relaxing about sitting back with a hot cup of coffee reading any Sunday paper from cover through the comics and on to the last page. Sure, Lodi attempted to turn its Saturday edition into a dual-day edition; but did that really work?

    Clearly the News-Sentinel is in serious trouble. And the last thing I want to see is for it to close its doors. But when a business’s primary purpose is to deliver the news (whether it’s the deliverance of local or national stories), cutting one full day of that news won’t change the balance sheet’s bottom line entries from red to black.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 11:25 pm on Tue, Jun 12, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2346

    I would think that if "our city [would be only] full of people who were born or raised here" the News-Sentinel would have folded a long time ago. I don't think folks who were not born or raised here have been instrumental in changing the notion that Lodi is (or was) in any way livable and loveable. I just think that many only perceived it to be that way when in reality Lodi is really not unlike any other Central Valley city.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 11:07 pm on Tue, Jun 12, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2346

    Hold on Mr. Baumbach, how can you state that "Our state is in a financial meltdown and business is not business as usual," when our President assures us that at least in the private sector, everything is fine?

    All kidding aside, I've anticipated a move like this quite some time ago. Keeping a newsprint edition of a paper afloat is difficult when virtually everything is online for free. I would have thought trying a fee-based online version would be tried first before eliminating a day's worth of news on people's doorsteps. Of course the delivery department might not be too happy because even though jobs might not be totally eliminated, there really would be no reason for them to report on Monday mornings; the same will be true for the press room; along with the folks who put the paper to bed prior to printing. They might still get a paycheck, but it will likely be a tad lighter.

    I'm sure this was a difficult decision; I just don't know if it was the best one. Time will tell. But I am going to do something to help them out.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:51 pm on Tue, Jun 12, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Jackson Scott stated...Another sad day in Lodi. Can I say I'm shocked?

    In my view, it’s a great day in Lodi. The news could have been the Sentinel is going out of business… instead, just the opposite.

    Our state is in a financial meltdown and business is not business as usual. We need to appreciate and expect changes to what is considered normal. Eliminating one day of publication is very minor considering the circumstances.

    The Lodi News Sentinel is a business that has responsibilities to its customers, employees and viability as an entity. They made a decision that means Lodi is ensured to have a local paper for us to enjoy. Rich stated, “If we make good business decisions, we can continue to bring you the news for many, many years to come. I think this is “good” news.

     
  • Jackson Scott posted at 7:21 pm on Tue, Jun 12, 2012.

    Jackson Scott Posts: 386

    Another sad day in Lodi.

    Can I say I'm shocked? No. I'm actually surprised some sort of changes have not already happened. I'm sure Marty & Rich have braced themselves for the tsunami of backlash that will flood the LNS on Wed.

    Let's face it, we are no longer "Liveable, Loveable Lodi." And by that I mean our city is now full of people who were not born or raised here. Many commute to jobs in other cities, and with todays economy many work from home like myself. Local news about the Rotary, Women's Club, and BOBS programs mean nothing to them. I don't read ANY stories in the LNS about world, national, state, or sports news. ONLY local news, sports, & county. I don't get the Record, I can read it free online. I read the Sac Bee & SF Chronicle regularly too.

    Print news is in a state of decline. As Marty pointed out, lower ad revenues & costs keep going up. Just how long can San Joaquin County support four daily papers? I believe the Manteca Bulletin & Tracy Press still print Mon-Sat.

     
  • Rich Hanner posted at 6:23 pm on Tue, Jun 12, 2012.

    Richard Hanner Posts: 10 Staff

    From Rich Hanner, editor: Darrell, thanks for the positive words. Sam, I appreciate your suggestion but we've decided on this course after carefully weighing many options involving costs, revenues from circ. and advertising, etc.. Bob, the circ. director is out now but we'll try to get an answer posted soon re: refunds. Some of the Monday comics will appear online - that's still being ironed out. We'll post more later, but I wanted to let you guys know I appreciate your comments and we'll try to respond as more info. becomes available.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 5:36 pm on Tue, Jun 12, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Great decision! In this bad economy it is responsible to make cuts. Good news that jobs were a consideration and that no news jobs were eliminated. We still get a quality product for a majority of the week... I hope the people of Lodi appreciate the appropriate decision the paper made and support it.

    I hope the Post Office follows suit and stops delivery of Saturday.

     
  • Sam Heller posted at 4:38 pm on Tue, Jun 12, 2012.

    Sam Heller Posts: 176

    Can you raise out rates to keep Monday ? We get both the Record and your paper. We both "fight" for the sentinel every morning. We have been loyal readers for over 38 years. I would gladly pay more !

     
  • Bob Smith posted at 4:17 pm on Tue, Jun 12, 2012.

    Bob Smith Posts: 128

    If someone has paid for an annual subscription, can they apply for a refund and cancel the subscription?

     
  • Bob Smith posted at 4:15 pm on Tue, Jun 12, 2012.

    Bob Smith Posts: 128

    When will we see the comics that normally appear on Mondays?

     
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