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Lodi City Council approves annexing 30 acres — currently strawberry fields — for new office building development

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25 comments:

  • Tracy Matheson posted at 1:09 pm on Tue, Apr 26, 2011.

    Tracy Matheson Posts: 9

    Doug - I do pay attention thank you very much - i have seen you more than once throw punches at Diede maybe i dont know all thats behind this situation you are talking about but at the same time i do know people in construction do make more than $12 an hour

     
  • Julie Tcha posted at 11:00 am on Tue, Apr 26, 2011.

    Julie Tcha Posts: 2

    Sam,

    My parents don't want a permanent site for the strawberries because they will be retiring in a few years. I don't plan to take over after they retire. And, we do thank Carl for the past 14 years.

    Unfortunately, from my understanding, our customers and city residents are upset because they feel the city should focus on other city issues than this development. About half of our customers come to us expressing their support for us and opinion on the matter.

    I think that they feel that they are suddenly losing a piece of their community, (Yes, I'm aware that there has been a great amout of outreach through public meetings, fliers, etc.) but that's still how they feel. Instead, what Caruba should have done starting last March was work with my parents during strawberry season to help inform city residents and our customers about the change so the blow won't be so hard to them.

    It's almost as if we have to do damage repair when we talk with our customers even though we are also sad that we will no longer be there.

     
  • Sam Heller posted at 7:51 pm on Fri, Apr 22, 2011.

    Sam Heller Posts: 176

    I also remember when the City of Lodi jumped Kettleman Lane. Lodi was "becoming Stockton". Beckman gave 20 acres to Tokay High and surprisingly the city grew around it. Growth happens.

    If you want to stop it, buy the land and farm it. If not, it is not your land and you have nothing to say about it.

     
  • Sam Heller posted at 4:44 pm on Fri, Apr 22, 2011.

    Sam Heller Posts: 176

    Julie, buy some land for your parents so they can have a permanent site for the strawberries. Personally I would thank Caruba & Fink for renting to them.

    Darrell, I agree with your blogs. This complex is a perfect fit for the community. The Sutter Gould medcal building will be an asset to our community.

    Lodi crossed Harney Lane years ago with the Reynolds Ranch project. If you live in Lodi and think this "jump" is a surprise you are clueless. It is in our General Plan.

    And Jay, come on. Your house is on farmland.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 3:21 pm on Fri, Apr 22, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Jay stated...Darrell - it doesn't matter if the spotted owl finds new trees to make their homes, or whether the strawberry farmers move to another location...
    Couldn't agree more... I was just responding to someone who disagreed with your position...

    Jay, I understand your concerns over preserving farm lands... Lodi has some of the best soil there is...
    If we were talking about 400+ acres I would be right along with you... if we had 3 or 4 business parks that had the likes of Costco and Best Buy, I would think more expansion a detriment.
    I think if this business park does not work, it would be difficult to expand more in the future. As far as why now, why not now... interest rates are very low and inflation is expected to explode in the next few years. Interest rates are bound to go up as well... makes good business sense to take advantage of the market... In my view, Lodi's small town atmosphere is a big plus. Lodi has been very successful in keeping expansion at a low level and this development is not over the line...

     
  • Julie Tcha posted at 11:50 am on Fri, Apr 22, 2011.

    Julie Tcha Posts: 2

    I've been out of the loop for some time now because I'm no longer in the area, but it's a horrible decision to build on land when there's clearly vacant businesses all over town. Vacant businesses bring in trouble and more crime. The City needs to address this problem before trying to build on my parents' strawberry patch. We've known this day was coming since 2007, but it won't do the City any good until they address those vacant lots.
    From my personal view regarding our strawberry business, yes, it's devastating to know that my parents' patch may be gone forever. We've become such a huge part of the Lodi community for the past 14 years. Obviously, we've made a tremendous impact that several community members will fight to keep us there. We have come to know our customers personally and will do whatever I can to assist them in their efforts to save our strawberries.
    Yes, we can do our business somewhere else, but so can Carouba.

     
  • Jay Samone posted at 9:06 am on Fri, Apr 22, 2011.

    Jay Samone Posts: 359

    Darrell - it doesn't matter if the spotted owl finds new trees to make their homes, or whether the strawberry farmers move to another location, the questions many of us have are these:

    Why pave over farmland? Why do we WANT to lose valuable soil to development? What ever happened to the "greenbelt"? What happens when there's no farmland left?

    Why add an additional burden to the existing police and fire duties? Why build new space when you have plenty here that is vacant? Why the need to build now when the housing market stinks? Why not focus on that pitiful excuse for a "park" on Lower Sac instead? Why is this city in a hurry to become Stockton?

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 5:35 am on Fri, Apr 22, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Tim... I did not realize that all the annexation came with rules and regulations that would prevent strawberry growers from growing strawberries. Is it not like the spotted owl situation where trees were taken out, and the environmental groups said the spotted owl would go extinct... but what happened is that they simply adapted to the situation and made their home in other trees? I realize that an existing strawberry concern was effected by this situation, but considering how short the strawberry season is and how long the business season lasts, that Lodi would be better served in increasing its tax base on a consistent bases. Since of the revenue from car dealerships have evaporated, we should do something.
    This is something.

    Doug... Your posts have a ring of truth to it.... Thank you!

     
  • Tim Costner posted at 12:33 am on Fri, Apr 22, 2011.

    Tim Costner Posts: 10

    Lodians can soon enjoy more strawberries picked green from hundreds of miles away, rather than having something fresh and local. Bravo.

     
  • Doug Chaney posted at 9:49 pm on Thu, Apr 21, 2011.

    Doug Chaney Posts: 1232

    Jay, the mayor Bob is presently a part-time, retired real estate appraiser. Do you think that possibly his past full-time real estate appraises could have something to do with the always highly over-appraised real estate values in Lodi? He's benn tied in with the corruption of the real estate market since coming from New York and still is a major player in the good old boys realtors group in the Lodi area. Check his voting record on issues concerning development and you'll see all ayes, along with Hansen, Katzakian and John Beckman.

     
  • Doug Chaney posted at 9:40 pm on Thu, Apr 21, 2011.

    Doug Chaney Posts: 1232

    Tracy, pay attention, please. Gillespie was the developer that started the Harney-99 strip mall project with Blue Cross, remember? It was supposed to be a major housing project and the 3 amigos and the planning commission turned it into another commercial strip mall. Those BC/BS jobs were to have provided workers that would be buying those $400K homes that were going to be built there on those $12 hour jobs, right? LOL Still no homes.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 5:07 pm on Thu, Apr 21, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Jay stated...These vacant spaces I'm referring to are fairly new. It is FAR cheaper to remodel, retrofit, customize etc, than to build to suit an entirely new building - so my answer is YES.
    Sigh?? hummm... just asked you a sincere question because I did not get it.. thought you did... I was right, you do get it. Since you confirmed that it would be a good economical decision and much cheaper to remodel, retrofit, customize etc, than to build to suit an entirely new building, all the businesses with owners with good business sense will turn down the business park and prefer to fill the vacant buildings you referred to... there should be no concern that businesses will move to the park as was feared. Thank you Jay.

     
  • Sam Heller posted at 4:42 pm on Thu, Apr 21, 2011.

    Sam Heller Posts: 176

    Steve, there is no greenbelt. Lodi had the chance to "buy it" and walked away. The greenbelt is a dead issue.

     
  • Jay Samone posted at 3:48 pm on Thu, Apr 21, 2011.

    Jay Samone Posts: 359

    Sigh Darrell - I had to reread your post since I only saw one question mark. Economically feasible: I don't believe "outdated" is necessarily substandard, uninhabitable, or won't pass inspection. These vacant spaces I'm referring to are fairly new. It is FAR cheaper to remodel, retrofit, customize etc, than to build to suit an entirely new building - so my answer is YES.
    Existing businesses: If there were existing businesses that needed space, why would they wait until someone builds a new complex? Seems to me that the property owner is making it difficult for these businesses to rent or lease in the first place. Could this possibly be a motive to build new complexes?

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 1:33 pm on Thu, Apr 21, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Jay... I understand there are many vacant spaces... I was not disputing that... can you respond to the questions I was asking... I really do not get it.

     
  • Jay Samone posted at 12:42 pm on Thu, Apr 21, 2011.

    Jay Samone Posts: 359

    Darrell, Doug already mentioned a few of the business locations that are sitting vacant. Lowe's has numerous vacant spaces that have been vacant for years. I understand your point about new buildings being customizable to suit the new tenants, however, in this case, there is only ONE tenant identified. I highly doubt they will take the majority of the business park. Considering the state of the economy and the lack of funds for regular joes to open new businesses and/or expand, these spaces will be jsut as vacant as the ones on Turner rd and in the Lowes parking lot, to name a few. I find it sad that this rotating council of developersm, real estate agents and "friends in high places" individuals keep the money rolling into their own pockets without considering the cost to the citizens. We are now looking at more LPD and LFD services being needed because of the additional traffic. I find it sad that we are becoming more like Stockton everyday and these individuals who make these community altering decisions don't actually take the community itself into consideration.

    As far as that moron Bob Johnson's statement, we've always known that this would be a business park" - just because you've "known" that, doesn't mean that the community agrees and the community NEEDS it either.

     
  • Tracy Matheson posted at 11:37 am on Thu, Apr 21, 2011.

    Tracy Matheson Posts: 9

    Doug obviously you have a beef with Diede, no mention of Blue Sheild and their humungous building and large parking lot in your statement it sounds personal - just sayin

     
  • Tracy Matheson posted at 11:33 am on Thu, Apr 21, 2011.

    Tracy Matheson Posts: 9

    I think the empty car lots is an excellent idea! What better way to show people driving thru town from the freeway we have business thriving and to stop and spend money in our town!

     
  • Doug Chaney posted at 11:20 am on Thu, Apr 21, 2011.

    Doug Chaney Posts: 1232

    Thank you Mr. Pegg, for adding some substance to what I've been advocating for for many years: the good old boys and the council they control and enrich. Where was the anger when Gillespie and Diede plundered that farmland on Harrney and Armstrong, one to build an office/ repair yard and the other to build a badly needed housing project, which doesn't have a new residence built on it yet, but only gives the appearance of another Harney & 99 strip mall, with more commercial to come and no housing in sight. Johnson, Hansen, Katzakian, and John Beckman allowed these projects to keep their developer friends and business associates from going bankrupt and postponing those developers' fees, and rumor says having to depend on wealthy interests from Stockton to aid in their financial survival. There are already two other housing projects that have been approved, the Gateway projects, that haven't been mentioned lately, just stagnating from the lack of the housing market ever worsening for new homes.
    And, Mr. Lingo, the new Geweke office building at Lowe's center hasn't been occupied for 5 years now, and the little newly built complex on Turner and Sacramento sits vacant since built. Is there some kind of tax shelter for owners of those properties that makes the three good old boy votes on the council ignore the fact that it's really not time to build until these and many other vacancies are filled in Lodi? Oh, I forgot, the 3 amigos insist that they're needed as a source of revenue, while continuing on their spending rampages and burdening the taxpayers of Lodi with unneeded projects like the water treatment plant and the Lodi energy center. Iff council doesn't spend us into oblivion, LEUD, Hansen, Kirkle and the NCPA will with their harebrained schemes to keep Lodi's electric and utility rates on the constant rise to appease the huge prrofits for the NCPA, city of Lodi, and no one else.

     
  • Doug Lingo posted at 10:44 am on Thu, Apr 21, 2011.

    Doug Lingo Posts: 14

    What about all of the empty car lots?

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 10:43 am on Thu, Apr 21, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Jay... can you articulate the specifics what you are suggesting... and how is it economically feasible... I am not saying you are wrong... but I do not have a clear picture how developers or anyone could do as you suggest. What kind of businesses are you talking about that could take over existing buildings that are empty? Are they not empty because existing businesses cannot take them over and still make money... what am I missing. From my view, these buildings would have stayed empty even if this annexation had been denied. Since new buildings can be custom designed with modern amenities and designed to maximize what each individual business thinks will help in business, I fail to see how remodeling outdated buildings, which is expensive to bring up to code, would be in the best interest of the business, consumer, or the city.

     
  • Steve Pegg posted at 10:32 am on Thu, Apr 21, 2011.

    Steve Pegg Posts: 8

    What ever happened to the "Green Belt?" I should point out that the stripmall accross the street has at least four vacant spaces. Look how many places are empty on Kettleman Lane. Lets face it, this is another victory for the 'good ole boys' (GOB) group of developers who really run the city council and planning commission. It was bad enough that we moved our city limits for the Costco center but now we get closer to Stockton. Just think how much it will cost in the long run when we have to hire more police and fire to deal with the Stockton influence.

    We might get some common sense from LAFCO but I doubt it. Maybe laugh-co is a better term since they approve just about everything that the GOBs put up.

     
  • Robert Molle posted at 9:48 am on Thu, Apr 21, 2011.

    Robert Molle Posts: 49

    Pretty soon there will be no barrier between Lodi and that cesspool Stockton, that’s all bad!!!

     
  • Jay Samone posted at 7:43 am on Thu, Apr 21, 2011.

    Jay Samone Posts: 359

    Sorry - last sentence should say they only have their pocket books at heart.

     
  • Jay Samone posted at 7:43 am on Thu, Apr 21, 2011.

    Jay Samone Posts: 359

    Unbelievable. We literally have hundreds of vacant office space all over this town and they want to create more? Why not have these developers upgrade the existing structures to modernize them or make them more esthetically pleasing (because that's REALLY what it is) and get these buildings rented, leased or sold to long term tenants. I wash my hands of this council. With the exception of Joanne, none of these members have Lodi's interests at heart. Clearly they only have their pocket books.

     
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