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Posted: Thursday, March 26, 2009 10:00 pm

The Galt high school district is considering relocating its office from leased space to district-owned property to save money.

For the Galt Joint Union High School District, it isn't as much of a problem in finding a location, it's getting out of the one it's in.

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33 comments:

  • posted at 12:02 pm on Thu, Apr 9, 2009.

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    Core: English, math, science, history, government, language, PE, health and soon to be (I hope) computer studies and engineering. I would like to see more pathways created for future teachers, student life skills, computer sciences, medicine, bio-sciences and energy studies. 85% is correct Gus. Besides HOGWASH! is MY line...get your own! Go to the CDE and READ...not just speculate...how they arrived at the 800 API score and WHY they added the AYP element to the formula ALL schools were supposed to be at 800 by 2010 but the NEA got that changed. I actually participated in the formation of the system through the CDE, CSBA and No Child Left Behind program. It was very interesting. Gus: You asked for specifics I gave you specifics...now do the same...HOW would you cut the rest of the $300K from the budget?

     
  • posted at 8:55 am on Thu, Apr 9, 2009.

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    Pat, What programs do you consider discretionary and which are mandatory?Athletics uses $210k per year, your math, your research, not mine. How can you call Ag discretionary and Athletics not? Label them as you will they are both discretionary as well as many others on campus. Your ag is 85% of available funds is Total and complete HOGWASH. Maybe you were able to get some specific wording on the budget accounts that sets up your argument but the reality is most ALL spending is discretionary!Your words, " A score of 800 is what all schools should be operating at and those who are not should strive for". IT is A TARGET, not an actual average, again your own words. Thanks for correcting yourself.GHSD was well on its way and is still working to improve. The first ten pounds of fat is always the easiest to loose, its the last 10% that's always the hardest.

     
  • posted at 7:27 am on Thu, Apr 9, 2009.

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    With an easy check...the scores for caucasian kids have declined from 788 to 771. It's not just the other groups that are having difficulty. The CDE took into account ALL Districts, all socio-economic and cultural factors, all educational backgrounds and all language barriers as well as many other factors before stating that a score of 800 was an average score and what all schools should be operating at and those who are not should strive for. Thus the AYP requirements. Simple math. GHS was well on it way until...

     
  • posted at 7:02 am on Thu, Apr 9, 2009.

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    Your argument for sports doesn't work Gus...most of the kids in Ag play sports also. They benefit in both programs. Mute point. $460.00 in support for each Ag student $16.00 for all others...that's fair. Test scores...directly correlate to amount of support given to CORE subjects. The number one job of a Board member is to see that ALL students receive equal support. When the US Supreme Court ruled on Title IX they made that same statement...today women graduate from college at the same or better rate than men...THAT is a good thing and it came from EQUAL RIGHTS to an education. $460.00 = $16.00???

     
  • posted at 3:39 am on Thu, Apr 9, 2009.

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    Oak Ridge (841), Folsom (844), Rocklin (826), Granite Bay (826), I see your point. Our communities are sooooo similar!How many of their students qualify for free and reduced lunches, have parents with English as a second language, and have a parent or more that went to college vs. Galt? Their communities and population are VERY different than ours! I'm not saying we can't or should not improve, but we need to be real about where we are or our methods to improve will be way off base.So are you suggesting take the $210k from athletics you describe, (is that mandatory or discretionary money by the way?), and spend it on core programs for better test scores? Help again will ya? Ag-discretionary, Then everything else----- athletics non discretionary, engineering-non discretionary, health-non-discretionary, drama, band, everything else extracurricular..... non discretionary. Ag is the only program taking from the core subjects....hummmmmmmm. You just argued athletics is good for $210k per year! The only difference is the widget! Again, I say we need them all as students needs are different. Support our winners, and foster the rising stars!

     
  • posted at 1:52 am on Thu, Apr 9, 2009.

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    That's an easy question Gus...divide the number of students by the amount of money available and you get...$105.00 per student at current funding. OR divide the money available by the number of total teachers and you get...$2,000.00 per teacher. OR divide it by the number of departments and you get...$21,000.00 per department including CORE subjects...you know...the ones the kids get tested on. How do you think they feel when their test scores come back and then follow them for the rest of their lives?Specialized schools like EHS? The schools I pointed out are not specialized and have the same problems GHS does. It is just WHERE they spend their money. BTW if the Ag dept only has $31K why is it that the Board is looking at cutting $110K for summer stipends? (which will NEVER happen)

     
  • posted at 3:18 am on Wed, Apr 8, 2009.

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    800 is the TARGET for state average. Very few schools are there, mostly very affluent areas or very specialized charter schools(Again $$$$$), as you pointed out so clearly. The state also is requiring ALL schools to be at or above average eventually.........not sure how they lay out the math for that. So athletics doesn't have(teachers, stipends, periods off, field trips) also? In concept, both activities are pretty similar and are both discretionary if you look at the big picture. Your $185k number is total hogwash. You argue athletic costs with one set of glasses and ag costs with another. You never did answer if there is a max amount we should be spending per participant???? Can you answer that outside of your regular ag is too much, don't know? Start us down the value per dollar path for students again will ya????

     
  • posted at 12:23 pm on Tue, Apr 7, 2009.

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    That's right Gus...you don't get it. The budget supports Ag to the tune of $185K in addition to it's general costs (teachers, sipends, periods off, field trips). The additional support budgeted for "the other 1600 kids" is less than $25K total. Read the budget first Gus. The CDE set up the standards not me. 800 is the number they use to describe a school with an average test score. Argue the point with them. This is why they require PROGRESS every year...you know AYP. Do some research before you argue with me Gus...you should have fired the Superintendent.

     
  • posted at 7:08 am on Mon, Apr 6, 2009.

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    Your $185k number is as trumped up as your trying to pitch 800 is an AVERAGE test score for the state. FYI-Ag academy grant is $31k. Use the real numbers and it $31k/400=$77 per student, 25% of what the district spends on athletics. So is $300 per student a max that we should be supporting as a district? Is the issue performance or relevance and to what?Oh! And I thought ag took 85% of discretionary funding. You just argued that athletics uses $210k...........what programs do you have in your definition of discretionary? I'm confused by the math again.

     
  • posted at 2:25 pm on Sat, Apr 4, 2009.

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    Alf and Gus: the numbers are out...at least for Lodi...GHS doesn't want anyone to know how much they spend on athletics. My memory serves me that about 1/3 of all high school students participate in one sport or more. For Lodi that comes to about 3200, for GHS that comes to about 700. By utilizing Lodi's published numbers (LNS Sports 4/4/09) we can calculate that each athlete receives approximately $300.00 in support ($970,000 divided by the total number of athletes: 3200 for all four schools). The dollar numbers are similar for GHS.Let's compare and contrast that with the Ag program at GHS...$185,000 in additional support divided by 400 Ag students equals $460.00...or 50% more per student than athletics. Compare and contrast the support given to the core subjects...$25,000.00 divided amongst 1600 students that comes to approximately $16.00 per student. 287.5% less per student than Ag.And WHERE did the HS Board make the cuts???? NOT Ag. Dump the partisans and fire the Superintendent. And who was in the audience crying wolf? Jim Aschwanden the Executive Director for the Cal Ag Teachers Assoc.

     
  • posted at 2:57 am on Sat, Apr 4, 2009.

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    Businesses just pass the cost on to the consumer. YOU! Fair share? What is my fair share? Please define fair and share.

     
  • posted at 6:35 pm on Thu, Apr 2, 2009.

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    check behind the iga in galt. that's nice of you to raise the pay for your journeyman. you are right, there are many 'fees' that need to be paid by many small business owners, it's just pitiful that they have to take the brunt of it while there are many out there not paying their share.

     
  • posted at 9:43 am on Thu, Apr 2, 2009.

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    Hey alf!!! Do you think you could help me with my State Comp? In order to keep my premiums from doubling (24% vs $49%) I have had to raise my minimum journeyman's pay over $6ph over the last three years. Not because they've earned it or deserve it or because I want to give it to them...nope. What should I do???? I know! I'll raise my prices and pass it on to the consumers...no wait...I'll be too high and someone else will get the job... I know...I'll work for free...after all I get all of the profits...no wait...Obama and Barney Frank and Nancy Pelosi and Chris Dodd and the rest of the tax cheats have first dibs on that...I know I'll ask for a stimulus check...no wait...a bonus...no the Senate has dibs on that...anyone got a piece of cardboard I can borrow?

     
  • posted at 6:46 pm on Tue, Mar 31, 2009.

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    i think that in this economy, all school districts need to step up and tell the teacher unions to go to lleh. we simply cannot afford this kind of COLA, job protection, etc. just because they think they are entitled to it. i believe that if we stick by our guns, where are they going to go? there are only so many teaching jobs and most of them are taken or fighting to stay on. they would be forced to make sacrifices just like the rest of us. if only the district boards and supers had the cajones.

     
  • posted at 6:48 am on Tue, Mar 31, 2009.

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    To get five in the 800's you had yo go to out of Sac county. No question we need to improve the scores but we have to keep it real.The low hanging fruit is gone. Its like the last 10 pounds on a diet, always the hardest.The problem we have this year is we're testing after Easter break so the union can make a stink about us not being on Lodi's schedule and better argue the Lodi calander into next year. I'm sure you heard they want a break in October also? We can't have these students going to school for more than 2 full days in a row ever, or more than a couple 4-1/2 day weeks in a row! The good news is flights are cheap in October for those teachers ...oops, I mean parents who have kids in Lodi and want to take vacation. Not sure what Galt parents with elementary students are suppose to do?????

     
  • posted at 4:51 am on Tue, Mar 31, 2009.

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    800 is the top 5-10% not the average. The schools you mention have a very different demographic than GALT....$$$$$$$$$1000 or even 800 is a good goal, but its not even the average for more affluent areas.

     
  • posted at 6:30 pm on Mon, Mar 30, 2009.

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    That's an easy one Gus: CDE's web-site, Oak Ridge (841), Folsom (844), Rocklin (826), Granite Bay (826), Acalanes High (893), Davis (854), Lynbrook (911) Mission San Jose (927)Why? Because they teach to a higher standard in all of the CORE subjects. 1000 is the top score...800 is considered the average. Why don't you ask how many pro athletes these schools produce? How many musicians, dancers, actors, engineers, teachers, bankers, lawyers, entrepreneurs, nurses, doctors and fashion designers. How about businessmen, marketers, advertisers, computer engineers, electrical engineers, pilots and mechanical engineers or even mechanics.

     
  • posted at 3:28 pm on Mon, Mar 30, 2009.

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    http://www.greatschools.net/cgi-bin/cs_compare/ca/?level=h&area=m&street=993+bay+terrace&city=galt&zip=95632&miles=30&lat=38.277565&lon=-121.294006&sortby=api_total&tab=over&begin=0&showall=1I see Galt ranked at #23 of 255 with 10 schools at or above 800, and 35 in the 700's, galt included. All within 30 miles of 95632 in sac county. How are you calculating average?

     
  • posted at 3:09 pm on Mon, Mar 30, 2009.

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    Would yo be kind enough to show me the website with demographically simalar schools and 800 test score averages within 100 miles of here?

     
  • posted at 11:57 am on Mon, Mar 30, 2009.

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    Under our Board, and Superintendent we hired, we sent the entire administration packing, retired 8 teachers, forced several others out, encouraged all of the rest with incentives (as we could)...and because of Jimmy Boy and his co-horts threats to the Superintendent, she left. What she did in the two short years here is well documented and would have continued had she not been harassed and threatened by a bunch of thugs. You can't threaten your employees into greatness...only mediocrity or to a new school. Take heed of those schools that are doing well...and remember 800 is what an average school scores...I was shooting for 1000...because I believe the students were capable. The agreements with the teachers is called a contract. You were there two of those contract cycles...what did you do? Would I do things different? Yes, but not your way.

     
  • posted at 10:47 am on Mon, Mar 30, 2009.

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    You haven't helped yet. 1000 athletes a year and 7 professionals in how many years. How can I support them when I'm arguing to kill a program that puts 300% more professionals into its field? WOW! Its really hard to make this argument using that benchmark without your assistance.Not sure how many computer guru's and film makers I saw in the sweet sixteen????Risk would be putting effort out before the reward, the courage to stand up and do what's right, not what's easy. The courage to put another before you, like student needs, before staff wants, (like a REALLY nice office which started this whole discussion. Really, should every teacher get COLA just because they have a pulse on Jan 1 every year? The school is lacking a clear vision of behavior on campus. Too much is let go, inconsistent, and many students walk around in FEAR. Hoods still hang out in the bathrooms and harass kids. We will wallow in mediocrity until the laggards step it up or are forced out! Quit moving problem teachers to EHS, fire them! Take a RISK and fire a few of the ones who don't get it!

     
  • posted at 9:20 am on Mon, Mar 30, 2009.

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    I know of 7 in the pros today, golf, baseball (Zach Phillips, Ryan Mattheus, Justin Souza to name a few), soccer and basketball and soon to be football. There are 365,000 students going to college on scholarships every year. There are at least that many and probably more going to junior colleges to play a sport in hopes of getting to the next level. Over 200M athletes have graduated from a college by having participated in a sport on scholarship. Their fields are not limited...doctors, lawyers, scientists, engineers, teachers, marketers, advertising, writers, film makers, computer guru's and all the others that have jobs availale at the end. Who's lives do you want to RISK? I suppose when Jim Aschwanden and his cronie Board was there then there was LEADERSHIP? No. Leadership arises from a concern for ALL not just the few.

     
  • posted at 7:24 am on Mon, Mar 30, 2009.

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    You know, I think I'm going to go with Pat on this whole if it doesn't produce professional jobs thing. No jobs related to the subject matter and its out you go! I can't remember the last time I saw a pro athlete from our school.....Why are we wasting all that money on a gym, football field, Volleyball games, bus travel, etc. when we could partition that gymnasium off and teach math in there! How many teachers could we pay for with the gas money from athletics since no one is really getting anything from it in the long run. Moreover, all the upset parents and participants. Loose the sports and we'd have a lot less issues from the community.Not a single pro I remember in the last few years!Neither of these are producing pro's!!!! Why keep either?Pat help me understand will ya.......

     
  • posted at 5:27 am on Mon, Mar 30, 2009.

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    Pat, I tell my staff, " We do what's right for the customer ALWAYS". If they don't need our services we don't sell them something they don't need. It has to work for the customer or you have nothing." Can GHSD say the same for the STUDENTS? Are they are number one, driving force behind all decisions? Do we do what's best for them in front of ALL ELSE? Not as I see it. I think the institution is protected first, then they figure out how it affects the students. What I am talking about cannot be accomplished with $, or by committee. It requires LEADERSHIP! It also requires RISK! It may not be what has happened for the last 10 years, but it may be what needs to happen today. The best example of this absences of clarity shows up at meetings like, "We'll survey the parents and the students and give you the kind of school you want". What the......? A professional educator needs parents to tell them what the student needs? Fix this problem and the scores will go into the 800's!!!!!! GHSD needs a clear core value that permeates the institution!

     
  • posted at 5:24 am on Mon, Mar 30, 2009.

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    Gus: I agree with some of your comments...surprise! The District has become less than mediocre. Look at the District's own numbers...98 Ag grads, only 11% stay in field. Gus...there are NO jobs in this field and fewer on the way (all are low paying). Check the Bureau of Labor Stats. My best friends are in vineyards, daries and cattle...even they say its going to get worse. I belong to the Farm Bureau, support Young Farmers programs, read the Ag Alert and support farming in their political endeavors...heck I even hate PETA. BUT! Each child should be afforded an equal opportunity and GHS does not offer this.

     
  • posted at 5:12 am on Mon, Mar 30, 2009.

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    Pat, the most frustrating part about GHSD, and a lot of other schools I'm sure, is its not centered around students needs. By that I mean,there is no permeating clarity of concern for the students. There are too many people milking the system, and the system is very good at giving the appearance of concern. The administrators and union protect their own to the point it makes the institution a wasteland of meritocracy. It not that the district is malicious, is that it is MEDIOCRE! Everything outstanding is offset by laggards, and the laggards are complaining about not being GIVEN enough to be outstanding. They don't get you have to work for it. Ag stands up for its 50 years of hard work as they should. Engineering, athletics, and all the others would do the same. The real question is how do we get the district to put student needs in front of all else....for REAL not just the old, "Your kids a great kid but" speech? Which is soon followed by the explanation of why your student is treated differently than their classmate. Its not right or wrong, its Cover Your ...

     
  • posted at 6:47 am on Sun, Mar 29, 2009.

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    It's not just me anymore Gus...go to www.galtheraldonline.com and read what Elle had to say about your vaunted program. Out of the dark and into the light seems to bother Jimmy Boy. Don't like my argument? Show me the personal attack...giving Oelsner credit for his personal attacks on the District and the Superintendent...the lies he told...and all of the stuff you now accuse me of seems appropriate. People who live in glass houses...

     
  • posted at 5:27 am on Sun, Mar 29, 2009.

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    Pat, the old" I know YOU ARE, but what am I?" argument is not much of a platform for further discussion.......

     
  • posted at 5:55 am on Sat, Mar 28, 2009.

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    Think about it???: I lived it. No I won't go away. Giving credit isn't a personal attack. Oelsner lead the charge, spent the bucks and made the signs...credit.Gus: You can't even identify a personal attack...you just made one. Give a lesson to TAI.Alfie: Exaggerations galore...read the news articles before espousing such trash. The estimate from 5 contractors was less than $60M with ALL of the amenities (pool, stadium, track, BB and soccer fields) and would house 2100 students. Lathrop High was built with exactly that for $69M including paying $9M for their property and all of the soft costs. Our contract price was $56M which included a contingency of $7M.Read Gus's comment...I was only one vote..Sue Roberts was one...Dennis Richardson, Ben Cox and Gary Silva the other three...that was a hell of a phone conversation (after 5 District meetings that you were invited to). Spotting them $30M should have been help enough but I guess it wasn't.Gus/Alf/TAI: Vomiting is caused by several conditions...gastritis, motion and poisoning are just a few...get some medication...like the facts.

     
  • posted at 4:15 am on Sat, Mar 28, 2009.

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    Pat, Pat, Pat, could you please go away?We are all sick of your insults. Again, as I remember in past posts about your insults, you left the board to spend more time with your family! Have they too tired of your hatred? Get a life!

     
  • posted at 4:39 pm on Fri, Mar 27, 2009.

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    i seem to recall that you, pat, were on the board when F&H was hired. in fact, you hand picked them over 3 others who did an estimate of LRHS over the phone and no plans. HOGWASH was blurted out when the district estimate came in at $100M. you said it should cost about $65M. hmmm, seems that they are close to that. the $54M guaranteed price has blown up partially due to unforseen costs. this is why you have contingincy funds. quit the personal attacks and get into the arena and help out.

     
  • posted at 1:18 pm on Fri, Mar 27, 2009.

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    Nice personal attack Pat! He's one person, one vote, same as you. Your passion is compelling, your EMOTIONAL VOMIT is not!Get a grip man, he's one guy........Can't you make a point without the personal attacks and bully tactics?

     
  • posted at 5:04 am on Fri, Mar 27, 2009.

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    The District continues to rent instead of own because of Art Oelsner: Five years ago GHSD could have built District facilities and Estrellita High on the 25 acres it owns by Forest Lake (too close to his house) for less than $3M. Estrellita eventually took up 5 acres on the new Liberty Ranch site and cost in excess of $9M. Let's see...$6M for that, $15M in over-runs on the new high school...and $80K on atty costs...he complained when the state gave us a $6M grant and we saved the taxpayers $26M on the LRHS construction (his group said it would cost $82M) by getting a guaranteed contract of $54M for a school that will now cost $66M to $68M to build... Let's see...: $26M + $6M equals $32M in savings and funding. What has he (and his co-horts) managed to do?: -$13M + -$6M + -$1M (loss of property value) + A-O(-$100K)equals a loss of over $20M...hmmmm.

     
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