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Posted: Friday, March 9, 2012 12:00 am | Updated: 7:30 am, Sat Mar 10, 2012.

Some readers have raised questions about our coverage of the civil sex abuse trial of Father Michael Kelly of Lockeford.

It’s been a difficult journalistic assignment for reporter Ross Farrow, and we’ve had many discussions about our coverage.

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  • Kevin Paglia posted at 10:43 am on Fri, Mar 16, 2012.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 2028

    Darrell: It pays to know who you are talking to. Search Joey's name and you will see many articles on his trial and the den of predator pedophiles he survived.

    That said there are still hundreds of priests who have been accused and NOT convicted for a variety of reasons.

    Also in terms of the IQ challenge. I had a roommate in college with a 140 IQ (sorry, I only tested to 110), going after his third masters degree in business, could pretty much run circles around me in a classroom. He also couldn't figure out how to work a can opener, thought the OJ chase was a tv show (that was when we were roommates, Go Vandals). Also couldn't read a map to save his life, always got lost on campus when he had to go to a new building. had NO idea how to cook food. Couldn't do basic car maintenance. And best (or worst) of all, thought that with enough money it didn't matter how he treated a woman, she would stay faithful for the money.

    My point is simple. IQ tests and smarts don't always transfer to real world common sense. I have met many "smart" people who couldn't think their way out of a box. Basically if it was not something they had learned in a book they couldn't figure it out.

    Logic is only as sound as the accepted facts by the person presenting the logic. Our own Andrew proves this in his absolute logic presented in the 9/11 attacks. What logic lacks is the ability to see beyond itself. It is a gold fish in a tiny bowl, that is all it knows and it is content. Logic may work well in some areas of mental discipline, but it lacks a creative spark that allows one to truly grow in intelligence.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 2:43 am on Fri, Mar 16, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    I thought of something else Joey... did you volunteer to take a lie detector test like father Kelly did and publish the results... I know you were under no legal obligation to do so and that it is not admissible in court. However, people who are not afraid of the consequence of the result of the lie detector test enthusiastically take and publish it since they want to show evidence they are telling the truth.

    Also, do you know if the plaintiff ( John Doe ) in father Kelly's case participated in a lie detector test?
    If he was intending to get a big pay day from this case and is lying, then a lie detector test would show that intent. If he is telling the truth, he has nothing to hide.

    And how do you explain father Kelly passing with ease the lie detector test. He requested it be done to show he was telling the truth.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 10:28 pm on Thu, Mar 15, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405


    Finally Joey... if indeed your accusations against the priest you sued were real... I sincerely thank you for taking a bad man off the streets and preventing him from doing harm to anyone else. However, it may be you sincerely believed what you stated and your accusations imagined. If a person like yourself presents a believable case, it is not hard to imagine that an innocent person can be convicted. People who have false memories sincerely believe the memories. That is the danger.
    If your memories happened to be real, that does not mean that all accusers memories are real. SNAP assumes they are “ALL” real.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 10:17 pm on Thu, Mar 15, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Sorry Joey... you are demonstrating your lack of comprehension skills. I understand that someone who thinks they are the first witch to win a court case against the church is considered “challenged “ and disadvantaged in comprehending reality placed before them.
    Let me clarify for you.

    I have stated many times that I do not know if father Kelly is guilty or innocent. You on the other hand have declared him guilty . You have done that by saying he is a rapist (past tense). Now if you and the other SNAP members would apologize and explain that your claimed past experiences have clouded your judgment and it was a mistake to determine guilt before the trial even began, then I would think you have regained your senses and are behaving appropriately.

    If a priest is found guilty, I want it to because he was guilty... not becasue SNAP created a lynch mob atmosphere.

    I know there have been priests who have gotten fair trials and were found guilty. I do not think if I priest is found guilty its only because of an unfair court. That is a silly conclusion you drew from what I said. When SNAP says there are no false accusers, it displays its extreme bias and lack of reality in the thinking process.

    In addition when you state... And all those professional judges,and jurors, vs. your babble. Who's got the credibility Darrell?... it further discredits your ability to comprehend. When I stated you have no credibility, it is in reference to your blatant obvious unreasonable bias... when you state that you have never met a false accuser basically stating if a plaintiff says it happened... it means that is proof it happened...

     
  • Joey Piscitelli posted at 7:49 pm on Thu, Mar 15, 2012.

    Joey piscitelli Posts: 23

    Fr. Darrell Baumbach,
    I knew you would respond with babble. The most definite proof of your lack of logic is contained in the statements that you made saying that you believe that Fr. Kellys innocence or guilt would be proved by the court--
    Then you discredit this by saying that if a priest is found guilty, it is because of an unfair court system. tsk tsk tsk...logic goes out the window.
    That goes hand in hand with your statement that you advocate for people who are falsely accused, when you do not know if that has been adjudicated.
    Then you say that I won my clergy abuse case because the court was unfair.But you weren't even there. Not only did I win a jury trial, by a judge and 12 unbiased jurors, the church appealled 3 times, with other judges, in different courts, and lost of af those motions. Then the church appealled to the CC Superior Court, in front of a different judge again, and lost that motion. Then the church appealled to the high appellate court in LA, and lost again to 3 High Appellate Court judges. That makes me winner in at least 6 courts, 8 different judges, and 100% of the decisions in my favor. And all those professional judges,and jurors, vs. your babble. Who's got the credibility Darrell?
    And you did not address my offer to pay for a supervised IQ logic test, whearas you could prove that your logic is superior to mine. That would make my day. I will even spot you 25 free points to you on the test, that how sure I am of your logic score. How about it?

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:55 pm on Thu, Mar 15, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    CONTINUED...

    Finally, I do not advocate for child molesters ( like you stated you believe I do) which is your tactic to intimidate good people from speaking out against you and SNAP. I advocate for people who are falsely accused of crimes they did not commit. I also advocate for people like father Kelly who are subjected to lynch mob type situations which SNAP and you promote. There are many people in prison who are not guilty. Thanks to DNA evidence, these people are now being released. Unfortunately in repressed memory cases, there is not way to check DNA evidence as all these convictions are based on old memories that may or may not be accurate.
    Also unfortunate and suspicious is the wealthy and billions of dollars at stake that plaintiffs are after. You personally benefited financially and have economic reasons to say what you do... me on the other hand get paid nothing for sharing what I think... in my opinion, you are not credible in any way. Can you prove Joey that money is not your motive. Can you prove that the plaintiffs attorney, who is wealthy from these cases is not just after more money at father Kelly's expense?

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:47 pm on Thu, Mar 15, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    CONTINUED...

    4. The " lifesite news" opinion by a church attorney that 50% of clergy allegations are false, is not backed up by any clergy abuse cases that went to court. Prove that they do-you can't. Not one jury trial against a priest was ever shown to be false.-The plaintiffs won all the cases. -prove that they did not- you can't. … RESPONSE... These were not opinions... He was stating his experience and results. For example, Just as in the father Kelly case, where father Kelly past a lie detector test with flying colors, so did many of his clients... that is not opinion, it is fact.
    5. Everything I stated, is backed up by proof response... really? You have proof that you are a witch? You have proof that father Kelly is a confirmed rapist? You have proof that there are no false accusers? You have proof that your memories are not false? There are so many things you have stated that are unprovable, that you contention is beyond ridiculous but bizarre. In fact, having no proof other than testimony based on repressed memory syndrome is exactly what you and SNAP depend on to prove your cases... in my opinion, you and other SNAP representatives are poster children for false memories that are claimed to be repressed memories. You depend on emotion and illusion to make your cases...not facts. Unfortunately, you find juries that are gullible and actually believe your false memories.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:45 pm on Thu, Mar 15, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Thank you Joey for the opportunity to clarify truth and reality which has escaped you. You are gracious in participating. Lets take one point at a time.

    1. 1) I have never met a false accuser. Prove that I have. you can't. Response... Of course I cannot prove you have never met a false accuser nor would I wish to make such an attempt. In fact, I assume you are being absolutely truthful when you state you have never met one. My point is that it is unreasonable that you have never met one since it is such a common accurate and are so many false accusers out there. That you have never met one demonstrates your lack of worldly experience. It could be that you met many but have repressed that memory...who knows.
    2. 2) Prove that it is "mentally unstable" to be a Pagan Witch. you can't. RESPONSE... How do I prove that something does not exist... I do not believe in fairy tales or that a witch does exist. Of course I “BELIEVE” you have mental problems because you stated you believe you are a “WITCH”. I saw one on the wizard of OZ...but that was Hollywood. I personally do not think you are thinking clearly or are in reality when you sincerely proclaim yourself to be a WITCH.
    3. Prove that the cases you state here in this forum about "false memory" have any thing to do with clergy abuse-you can't. … RESPONSE...there are so many cases of false memory and false accusers that your statement is bizarre. Are you saying that somehow all other people have false accusers but only priests and clergy do not? Can you prove that Joey...you cannot.

     
  • Joey Piscitelli posted at 10:32 am on Thu, Mar 15, 2012.

    Joey piscitelli Posts: 23

    Darrell Baumbach, here is where I show that I am credible, and your statements are not. 1) I have never met a false accuser. Prove that I have. you can't.
    2) Prove that it is "mentally unstable" to be a Pagan Witch. you can't. 3) Prove that the cases you state here in this forum about "false memory" have any thing to do with clergy abuse-you can't.
    4) The " lifesite news" opinion by a church attorney that 50% of clergy allegations are false, is not backed up by any clergy abuse cases that went to court. Prove that they do-you can't. Not one jury trial against a priest was ever shown to be false.-The plaintiffs won all the cases. -prove that they did not- you can't.
    Everything I stated, is backed up by proof, look them all up on google. And Darrell I suspect that you are a clergy abusers advocate.
    Now, since YOU have brought up my "mental state" on this public forum: I am a member of SF Mensa, my logic IQ is 142, and that is on record. That is 1 in 1000. My mental logic was also brought up in my court trial against the church, that I WON.
    That is also on record. The church's lawyers gave me several IQ tests, and I passed them all on record, above the genius level of IQ -132.
    So that said, and irrespective of all of your unproven opinions, I make this public offer to you. I am suggesting that I pay for a supervised IQ test for logic, by a professionally acredited testing facility, to test your IQ vs. mine. All at my expense. My prediction is that you will fail the very minimum requirement for entrance to Mensa. That prediction is based on your illogical statements; and your accusations made against me, that have no proof, or validity whatsoever. You can respond to this with more unbacked babble, but te bottom line is :everything I said is true and verifiable,and ogical, and most of what you posted is opinion, or unrelated, or completely false. I dare you to show everybody on this forum the proof that your logic is as credible as mine, again, -you can't.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:31 pm on Tue, Mar 13, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Interesting though is that a a study commissioned by the U.S. Department of Education resulted in a conclusion that “the physical sexual abuse of students in schools is likely more than 100 times the abuse by priests... 100 times...


    The studies author was Carol Shakeshaft, professor of educational administration at Hofstra University, in Hempstead, New York, … she personally stated that the scope of the school sex problem appears to far exceed the clergy abuse scandal that has rocked the Roman Catholic Church.
    So why is there no hysteria and billions in pay outs to people who were sexually abused by educators? What is happening? Could it be that there is wide spread bigotry and hate against the Catholic Church? If you read what SNAP posts, it sure looks that way.
    Could this bigotry and hate be clouding the situation and influencing the outcome of all these court cases? Time will tell.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:20 pm on Tue, Mar 13, 2012.

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    Kevin stated...I feel like every other post I make I need to place a disclaimer on it. I have no doubt that there are many victims of the predator priests and I want those priests brought to justice...

    Unfortunately, there has been so much hysteria and wide spread fear generated that good people like Kevin feel intimidated to publicly question the veracity and common sense when a priest is accused. When representatives of SNAP claim they have never met a false accuser, it definitely causes fear in the heart of someone who disagrees. They fear they will be accused of supporting child molesters when in reality, they question people like SNAP representatives that maintain the accused priest is guilty simply if they have been accused.

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 6:50 pm on Tue, Mar 13, 2012.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 2028

    I feel like every other post I make I need to place a disclaimer on it. I have no doubt that there are many victims of the predator priests and I want those priests brought to justice. I just want to make sure that the many innocent priests are not figuratively lynched by lawyers and therapists using created memories to make money.

    There HAS to be a consequence for those using/creating false accusations against the Church.

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 6:46 pm on Tue, Mar 13, 2012.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 2028

    K Lee: What most investigators believe is that the Alien Abduction Syndrome is actually a mix between a phenomena called Sleep Paralysis, vivid dream and even mental illness. But to the "victim" of AAS it seems absolutely real. It can be so traumatic that the symptoms show up much the same as abuse.


    It is amazing how very similar the AAS phenomena and priest sexual abuse accusations are when it comes to repression therapy.

    http://www.alien-ufos.com/personal-ufo-alien-experiences-alien-dreams/22976-hypnosis-regression-therapy.html

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 5:34 pm on Tue, Mar 13, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    K Lee stated...Maybe the alien abduction memories are actually repressed abuse memories bubbling to the surface that are too painful to put to a human face to them
    Now you are on to the point K Lee... the key word you used is “MAYBE”... SNAP says they have never met a false accuser... not if...not maybe... “NEVER”.

    You on the other hand are more reasonable in using the word maybe... which means could be or might.
    Repressed memories are “maybe “ real and maybe not. To base entire case that the accuser is absolutely credible and the only evidence is repressed memories is a big maybe to me. No DNA, no physical evidence of any kind. This is why SNAP representatives are irresponsible in stating father Kelly is guilty and a rapist before they have even presented their case. I would think you would admonish their behavior in the name of fairness and justice.

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 3:12 pm on Tue, Mar 13, 2012.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    Kevin: Maybe the alien abduction memories are actually repressed abuse memories bubbling to the surface that are too painful to put to a human face to them.

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 9:34 am on Tue, Mar 13, 2012.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 2028

    IF one is to believe that repressed memories are real and believable then alien abduction repressed memories must also be believed.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 10:49 pm on Mon, Mar 12, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    For Joey's benefit, since he has never met a false accuser, here is one of hundreds on line...

    False Rape Accuser Gets 90 Days

    By Jeralyn, Section Crime in the News
    Posted on Fri Nov 10, 2006 at 11:23:23 AM EST
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    Six young men were accused of gang-rape and faced life in prison, if charged. But for a videotape, that showed the female accuser "orchestrating" the sex, it might have happened.


    A Dana Point woman was told today she must serve at least 90 days in jail for falsely accusing six men of kidnapping and raping her at gunpoint. [Tamara] Moonier went to Fullerton police in June 2004 and reported that she had been kidnapped outside a bar by six men and taken to an unknown location and raped.

    But one of the men videotaped the sexual encounter, and the tape contradicted Moonier's story, said Deputy District Attorney Paul Chrisopoulos. The videotape showed that instead of being a victim, Moonier was actually the instigator of much of the sexual activity, Chrisopoulos said.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 10:26 pm on Mon, Mar 12, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Joey Piscitelli stated...I have never met a false accuser...

    Of course you have … look in the mirror.

    Just in your posts here in Lodi , you have made false accusations and concluded many things that were in error.
    1. You stated that I stated you were a Pagan with intent to expose that you were one... in reality, I had no such intent. Sine I am closer to being a pagan and not religious or a Christian, I have no reason to do as you suggest... that is a blatant false conclusion on your part..
    2. You accuse me of bigotry because I think it not wise to claim one is a “witch”... in reality, I think one who thinks they are a witch has a mental problem regardless of race or background. I think many things you do and say reveal you are a disturbed man who has gone over the edge resulting in a false sense of reality. I do not believe in witches, warlords, the dark side or any sort of silly belief... again, you falsely accuse be of bigotry. Witches are not in the closet as they do not exist anywhere ( except your mind, Hollywood and state hospitals)
    3. Unable to control your emotions you when off topic in a rant...you stated...” But this discussion shouldn't be about your disdain for minorities, which is sad, and shameful. Let's stay on topic.”
    Again... another false accusation ( you appear to be expert at false statements and conclusions... maybe this is why you won your court cases) … My wife and relatives are Mexican. I support Mexican causes and understand the minority status. I also am in Northern Thailand currently working with very poor people ( minorities), volunteering my time and helping them as much as I can at my expense. Your false statement generated by your nature of prejudging people is so obvious. Just like you prejudge me and draw false conclusions, you ( and your SNAP organization)also prejudged father Kelly to be guilty before the trial began. Your good intentions are having disasterous results.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 10:15 pm on Mon, Mar 12, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Joey Piscitelli stated...I have never met a false accuser... (SHOWS JOEY”S MENTAL STATE)
    You posted earlier” Thank you for bringing my cause and story to the public again.

    I thank you for your Freudian slip and revealing who you are... you are a man on a mission... you have a cause you are on... you are a man that is so blinded by hate {of many things Catholic) and perceived experience that you are the last person who would be a good judge of who is innocent or guilty. You have a bias that blinds you. Your ability to be fair and just is all wrapped up in your cause and mission you are on. You see all Catholic priests as guilty... you do not care about the evidence...just that some one has accused a priest.. that's all the evidence you need. After all, you with all righteousness stated... “I HAVE NEVER MET A FALSE ACCUSER”
    in other words... the priests are all guilty if someone accused them of the act... In my view, you are a dangerous man who will put innocent people in jail and or suffer financially… you are promoting hysteria similar to the McMartin preschool case years ago, where repressed memories were found to be false in some cases. No Flase accusers? You are delusional at best and should seek help. When wealth and riches are at stake, there are people who will do just about anything to get it. I understand you have come into a lot of money by accusing a priest... I guess the slot machine worked for you... didn't it?

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 8:01 pm on Mon, Mar 12, 2012.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 2028

    "100% of clergy accusers who went to trial won on the issue of being abused by the cleric."

    Vs,

    http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/attorney-claims-as-many-as-half-of-priest-abuse-accusations-are-fraudulent/

    SNAP is only interested in revenge against ALL priest, not just the guilty ones. I base this on them fully supporting the MANY false accusations that come across their desk. IF they had openly and publicly denounced the false accusations they come across then I would respect them. But not an organization that promotes, supports and encourages false accusations against innocent priests.

    As I have said many times the guilty MUST be punished legally. This includes the priest and bishops as well as those supporting false accusations. Lawyers, therapists and organizations that knowingly help false accusations make it to media AND trial must face legal consequences of this fraudulent behavior.

     
  • Susan DeMotte posted at 7:16 pm on Mon, Mar 12, 2012.

    dartsdemotte Posts: 1

    Joey Piscitelli thank you for your courage and thank you to SNAP for having the courage to stand up to a well defended organization such as the Catholic Church. I really appreciated your comment, "I have never met a false accuser." Yes, Kelly deserves a trial under our laws but as you said, "100% of clergy accusers who went to trial won on the issue of being abused by the cleric." Listen to that statistic folks....100%!! Bless you SNAP. Keep up the good works. Unfortunately these trials are extremely difficult on the victims and their families. At least they have support from organizations such as SNAP. I also totally believe the victim.

     
  • Joey Piscitelli posted at 5:08 pm on Mon, Mar 12, 2012.

    Joey piscitelli Posts: 23

    Darrell Baumbach you said in your opinion: "Wise people do not take credit for being a witch".Why not? Because I'm a minority? Because witches should hide in a closet? Because i don't have 1st ammendment rights? Anyway,thank you for saying that. You have proven that you are the best ammunition against yourself for bigotry than I could ever be. What other people aren't wise for admitting they are minorities? You certainly give Rush Limbaugh good competition. But this discussion shouldn't be about your disdain foir minorities, which is sad, and shameful. Let's stay on topic.
    In the ten years that I have been an advocate for children/survivors who have been abused, molested, and violated, I have never met a false accuser. And I have met several hundred victims.I doubt you have. I never declared that Fr. Kelly was guilty,
    what I do state is that I believe the victim. What I also state is that over 99% of clergy abusers deny wrongdoing. And I state that in California, 100% of clergy accusers who went to trial won on the issue of being abused by the cleric. I'm one of them. So if you know hundreds of clergy abuse accusers that were found to be lying, show me the list.
    As far as compassion for justice, that is exactly the reason I support the victim in this trial, because he has the courage to come forward, against an onslaught of more abuse by doubters, namecallers, and bigotry; and he has integrity, and a will for justice that is the very essence of the definition of "compassion for justice". Most rape victims who come forward do.
    I salute and support all females and males who have made the very difficult choice of coming forward to face their abuser, at the risk of being battered again by people who make angry statements, and take bitter shots at them again, revictimizing them; for those brave victims are the voices that will break down the horrendous continued cycle of abuse.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 1:43 am on Sun, Mar 11, 2012.

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    Wise people in my view do not take credit for being a witch... and wise people do not declare people guilty without the benefit of a trial. Intelligent people do not blindly go against people simply because they belong to a particular organization. In my view, SNAP is a bigoted organization that shows little compassion for justice.

    K Lee is a person that appreciates good intentions no matter the results.. In other words, she has a good heart but … no comprehension of the harm caused by the good intentions of SNAP.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 1:35 am on Sun, Mar 11, 2012.

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    wise people in my view do not take credit for being a witch... and wise people do not declare people guilty without the benefit of a trial. Intelligent people do not blindly go against people simply bacause they belong to a particular organization. In my view, SNAP is a bigoted organization that shows little compassion for justice.

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 10:48 pm on Sat, Mar 10, 2012.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    Joey Piscitelli, Melanie Sakoda and Tim Lennon: You are all obviously very wise, articulate, intelligent and thoughtful. Thank you for speaking out and posting here on these boards. And thank you for the work you do with those that have been abused by one of the most trusted and revered people in their life... their priest. Please keep up the great work you do with/for victims. God bless you.


     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:55 pm on Sat, Mar 10, 2012.

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    my intent of posting your letter re witches and Pagan's has nothing to do with why I posted it.

    Correction.....This line should have been … my intent of posting your letter re witches and Pagan's has nothing to do with me attempting to make commentary about you being a Pagan... ( many people have thought me a pagan as well)

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:43 pm on Sat, Mar 10, 2012.

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    Mr Piscitelli stated...It backfired on you. Your contribution of my story in Mensa speaks volumes about your true colors and your position. For the record: I am very proud of being a Pagan...then stated... Darrell, the Inquisition is over. Didn't you know that? Attempting to poison people by showing that someone is Pagan, and not a Christian - does not win you any points, it makes it appear as though you are close minded...

    Interesting conclusion you drew Mr Piscitelli... since “I AM NOT CHRISTIAN OR RELIGIOUS” in any way, my intent of posting your letter re witches and Pagan's has nothing to do with why I posted it. I simply found your thinking to be bizarre and odd. If you enjoy being a Pagan that is your business and I could care less. My objection to you is your child like thinking in which you are so close minded and bias that you do not even consider the possibility that father Kelly might be innocent. SNAP has prejudged this case and if they could, would hang this man without trial in my opinion.
    I think you should be ashamed and taken as an unreliable source of information as you are not credible. Just because you won your case does not mean you should have. There are many people who were convicted of murder and later found innocent because of over zealous people like you and organizations like SNAP.

     
  • Joey Piscitelli posted at 1:13 pm on Sat, Mar 10, 2012.

    Joey piscitelli Posts: 23

    Darrell Baumbach, thank you very much for posting my story about my abuse. That story was posted by me publicly last year, intentionally. Thank you for bringing my cause and story to the public again. I got a lot of positive publicity and compliments from people who support abuse victims, most of them catholic. I can't thank you enough . It backfired on you. Your contribution of my story in Mensa speaks volumes about your true colors and your position. For the record: I am very proud of being a Pagan, and I am proud of winning a case aginst a clergy abuser, and I hope I set an example for other innocent victims who were violated. In addition, Darrell, the Inquisition is over. Didn't you know that? Attempting to poison people by showing that someone is Pagan, and not a Christian - does not win you any points, it makes it appear as though you are close minded. Also, Darrell, of course I am trying to sway people into condemning the catholic church hierarchy for shuffling, promoting, protecting, and covering up child abuse, and I think that it's a no brainer that pedophiles should not be allowed to go unpunished, nor should the church who enabled them. Denial of the problem of clergy abuse does not correct it, and defending it does not correct it either. Attempting to discredit me for being Pagan was a tactic of the church in my court jury trial, and that backfired against them as well, they lost millions in attorney fees, and they paid me my jury award. The bottom line is, who is credible - Joey Piscitelli -a pagan who won 3 court cases against the catholic church, or Cardinal Levada, Mr. Ratzinger, and the Salesians, and the church, who lost all the court battles against me, and lost all their appeals; that were heard by an unbiased jury and appellate high court? And thank you for pointing out that SNAP is dedicated to help and support clergy abuse victims, I am happy that you recognize that SNAP volunteers are available to help innocents that have been abused and violated by men who claim to be representatives of God.
    Peace and magick. Joey Piscitelli

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 12:53 am on Sat, Mar 10, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Continued...


    Despite my numerous protests and local media press, before and during the litigation and trial, Cardinal Levada must have been sure of victory. As a Witch I believe in Karma, and as a survivor I believe in justice. As a Mensan I believe in logic, and logic dictated to me that in my case the truth would come to the forefront in the trial, and the jury would conclude that the Witch would prevail over the Inquisitor. I do not believe in Satan, or h e l l , and I do not know any modern Witches who do. I believe in universal energy, the interconnection of all living things, and the sacredness of Mother Earth. I also believe in the practice of Pagan Magick, which is defined as “The art of causing change to occur with will”. I also believe the practice of Magick enabled this Mensan Witch to pursue justice, and enable Karma to take its course. I am the only Witch in USA history, (and perhaps the world) who has ever beaten the church in a jury trial for abuse, and I believe this was my destiny. I will continue to fight for victims of child abuse by clergy, and I will continue to be the thorn in the Inquisitors side.
    Joey Piscitelli

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 12:51 am on Sat, Mar 10, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    http://blogs.alternet.org/witchjoey/tag/joey-piscitelli/

    This is a letter I found on line that was by Joey Piscitelli who the northern California director of SNAP. Evidently, SNAP is very organized and attempts to manipulate and sway public opinion. I found the article a little odd. Below is part of it...
    In this thread alone we have 3 people who are directors of SNAP who think and behave as if the trial is over and father Kelly is guilty, a definite abuse of their position in my opinion...

    August 26th...2010...
    San Francisco Mensa Intelligencer – Witch vs. Church

    Church lawyers who took depositions before my trial discovered that I was a Pagan, and a Witch, who was “into Magick and Witchcraft”. I imagine this was a thorn in Levadas side. The irony of a Witch vs. the Office of the General Inquisitor for the Church surely must have been frowned on by the hierarchy, and was unprecedented in the Clergy abuse cases. The Diocese of San Francisco, under Cardinal Levada, kept the priest who molested me in ministry, at St. Peter and Pauls church and grammar school, with apparent access to children, clear up to the day of my court jury verdict against the guilty priest.

     
  • Melanie Sakoda posted at 12:33 am on Sat, Mar 10, 2012.

    Melanie Sakoda Posts: 16

    Monsignor Stephen Rossetti, a psychologist who for ten years attempted to cure priests of their abusive patterns of sexual behavior, recently told a Vatican conference, “There are false allegations .... but decades of experience tell us that the vast majority of allegations—over 95 per cent—are founded.”

    http://www.guardian.co.tt/editorial/2012-02-09/dealing-abusive-priests?qt-realestate_classfieds=0

    This statistic is something that everyone should keep in mind when an abuse case, civil or criminal, is being tried.

    If you are an abuse survivor, don't suffer alone and in silence. You are not alone: you are not the only one.

    Melanie Jula Sakoda
    Survivors Network of those Abused by Priest (SNAP)
    Toll Free Phone: 1-877-SNAPHEALS (1-877-762-7432)
    SNAP East Bay Director
    melanie.sakoda@gmail.com
    925-708-6175

     
  • Joey Piscitelli posted at 11:24 pm on Fri, Mar 9, 2012.

    Joey piscitelli Posts: 23

    I am a victim of violent sex abuse by a catholic priest like Fr. Kelly who had a fan club just like Fr. Kelly, and I was greatly outnumbered and thrashed in the media by his fans. I did not ever have repressed memory. The church spent several million dollars fighting me in courts for 5 years, and I won all the trials, including the high appellate appeal by the church. I have met several hundred victims of sex abuse by catholic priests, and have never met one that was found to guilty of false allegations. False allegations are a myth, and is wishful thinking by those in denial of the truth. No person goes through a horrific trial like this with false allegations, it's never happened. The catholic church has rehab centers all over the USA specifically for pedophiles, aka: The Servants of the Paraclete Centers.They have treated tens of thousands of pedophiles who originally said that the allegations against them were "false". That is common among sociopaths/abusers. Fr. Kelly is typical of his peers. - Joey Piscitelli - An abuse victim rewarded by Justice

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 10:05 pm on Fri, Mar 9, 2012.

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    Mr Lennon stated...A victim of child sex abuse, such as the plaintiff, who suffered rape and violence at the age of ten deserves our respect for coming forward and naming the criminal.

    Like I said in an early post, Tim is projecting his experience ( that he claims to remember 30 years after the claimed event) and already determined that father Kelly was guilty before the trial began. His vocabulary used past tense and assumes the plaintiff is a victim and suffered rape. This man could be mistaken or have false memories... I do not know. Since the defense has not presented it's case yet, you would think a man who lives in San Francisco ( like Tim Lennon) and is the director of an organization ( SNAP) you would think he not attempt to manipulate public opinion and let the trial determine fact instead of claiming the trial is a waste of time as father Kelly ( in his mind) is already guilty.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:14 pm on Fri, Mar 9, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Jackson stated... What planet do you live on Darrell?

    I live on tthe one which fosters free thinkingskills Jackson.. Earth
    If one would consider which planet you came from, I think only two choices come to mind... Pluto or Uranus... can you confirm which one, just curious.

     
  • Tim Lennon posted at 9:08 pm on Fri, Mar 9, 2012.

    Tim Lennon Posts: 45

    Dear Editor,

    The plaintiff testified today that he was taken into the woods to a clearing far from habitation and was raped by Fr. Kelly. As a ten year old boy he yelled and yelled but no one heard. You must be truthful in using the word rape.

    Your paper mentions, for instance, that a person is murdered in some crime. You don't downplay the crime because this is a family paper and say he was abused instead of murdered.

    Same with the word rape. If the plaintiff says he was raped use the word rape. Describe the circumstance but don't diminish the truth by downplaying the crime to abuse. Using the word rape is not "overly graphic" neither is it subjective.

    Rape has a common as well as a legal meaning. Don't shy away from the truth.

    Tim Lennon

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:06 pm on Fri, Mar 9, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Jackson stated... If it were your child, even though he was now a 30yr old adult, would you want his, and your, name in print? Of course not.

    I think most people would agree with you Jackson... but this case involves more than the plaintiff... it involves the defendant...right? The defendant might have close friends and family that night prefer that the defendant have the benefit of being anonymous as well. Maybe father Kelly should be known as John Doe as well until the trial is over. If found guilty, his name published. However, if the defendant's name is plastered over every newspaper in the country, and it turns out he was innocent all along, why is it fair for him to have suffered the humiliation?

     
  • Tim Lennon posted at 8:57 pm on Fri, Mar 9, 2012.

    Tim Lennon Posts: 45

    I was raped and abused when I was 13. I did have memories of that abuse for 30 years. As a child I was overpowered, cowed and intimidated. I was overwhelmed with the sanctity of the priest who raped and molested me. I asked "God, why are you doing this?" over and over while he pinned me down and smothered me with a pillow.

    It took thirty years to remember the molestation and fifty years to remember the violent rape. I could not deal with the horror of the crime when I was young.

    Later in life I developed the strength of character, strong will and the courage to face what I could not face before. When I was a child I had no resources to deal with such horrific abuse.

    A victim of child sex abuse, such as the plaintiff, who suffered rape and violence at the age of ten deserves our respect for coming forward and naming the criminal. For a survivor of abuse to take 30 years to come forward with harm inflicted on him is not unusual. There is an added harm when a child is betrayed by an authority, such as a priest who is given great prestige and power over children. That betrayal further harms the child.

    We should honor the courage of the plaintiff.

    If you have been abused or know of abuse, report it to the police even decades after the fact. Tim Lennon, SNAP, tlennon@snapnetwork.org

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:52 pm on Fri, Mar 9, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Jackson stated...Dont you think the defendants lawyers have researched every angle to find every child who was around St Anne's during this time period, and then discussed each child with Father Kelly?

    Oh I see Jackson... I am mistaken... how naive and childlike of me to think there is a possibility that the plaintiff talked in private to a person who the defense might not be aware of. The defense obviously has access and is aware of all people who this plaintiff associated with and talked to even through today's date. The plaintiff says he suddenly remembered the event a few years ago. I was foolishly thinking that possibly....just possibly, if the plaintiff happened to briefly mention something about father Kelly say 6 years ago, and this person came forward and testified for the defense, that then his claim of Repressed Memory Syndrome might be in question as would his case.

    I have no way of knowing one way or the other if such a witness exists. But neither do you or the defense since it is not possible for such a witness to come forward as no one, including a potential witness knows who the plaintiff is... right?...Your thinking is beyond mine...thanks for the correction.

     
  • Jackson Scott posted at 8:21 pm on Fri, Mar 9, 2012.

    Jackson Scott Posts: 386

    Darrell wrote, "The point is fairness. The defense has no opportunity to enlist the help of possible witnesses that could help their case. How can witnesses be found for the defense in the same way the publicity can for the plaintiff if the public does not know who the plaintiff is?"

    What planet do you live on Darrell? Dont you think the defendants lawyers have researched every angle to find evey child who was around St Anne's during this time period, and then discussed each child with Father Kelly? He could give clues as to who they should interview. Or they just contact every kid during that time period.

    If it were your child, even though he was now a 30yr old adult, would you want his, and your, name in print? Of course not.

    This statement by the LNS, and it's comments, is worthless trash. If you don't know these things about our laws & court cases then you should NOT be commenting. JFC, the amount of idiots on these blogs has tripled. How I miss the good old days of reasonable & smart bloggers like Sam, Leonard, and even crazy guy T&C Doug. Guys like Darrell, Jerome, & Brian just love reading their own comments.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 7:23 pm on Fri, Mar 9, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Ms Bobin stated...who could back up these claims that the plaintiff is a compulsive liar or was manipulated by a therapist.

    Please Ms Bobin, could you refrain from distorting the intent of my posts. In my opinion this thread is for the editor's benefit. No one is suggesting that the plaintiff is a "COMPULSIVE" liar.

    The point was about the possible consequences, pros and cons of one side of the court case having anonymous benefits where the other side does not. Of course the lawyer and investigator will do their best to discover evidence and potential witnesses. However, since no one knows who the plaintive is, no one will come forward with any evidence unless the defense is fortunate to enough locate these people. Unfortunately, they can not know all people who the plaintiff may have come in contact with and wouldn't be able to find out. Unless the defense has some sort of crystal ball or a magical Hollywood clairvoyant psychic, not much could be done.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 5:35 pm on Fri, Mar 9, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2493

    I thought the practice of concealing the plaintiff's identity only applied to criminal court. Given the very nature of a CIVIL trial, concealing the identity of either party seems inappropriate to me.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 4:36 pm on Fri, Mar 9, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    K Lee... let me clarify my point like this. Lets say you wake up in the morning and you suddenly remembered your car was damaged five years ago. Your memories had been repressed. During that night long ago,someone damaged your car. You hope to find a witness that might have seen who damaged your car. You are Oprah Winfred (famous and rich) and will spend whatever it takes to find the man who did this to your car. You hire the best lawyer you can.

    In order to find this potential witness, you go to the Lodi News Sentinel with your big wallet and request to place a full page ad...in fact, the whole paper will have your add on it...no other news that day just to make sure everyone sees it.

    You begin to design your ad and the clerk says... excuse me Oprah, we have a few restrictions that you must follow to place an ad. You can not use your name, address or any reference to who you are, where you live, what your car looks like or where/when the accident took place. Other than that, please feel free to do the ad.

    The ad read... my car was damaged 5 years ago. Someone did it. If you know anything, please contact me. I cannot tell you who “me” is or what my car looks like, or where it happened but please call me if you saw something.

    Would it really matter how how money I had if everything is anonymous? What if the plaintiff 5 years ago told someone he was going to get rich … that he has a scam going. That he found a deep pocket in the Catholic church. This person would now have no way of knowing that the person that talked to him is the same person who is accusing father Kelly... its anonymous. He could not contact father Kelly's lawyer. If of course John Doe was made public, and this person saw who was in court, he might have reason to come forward. Right?

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 4:12 pm on Fri, Mar 9, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Baumbach & Mr. Paglia wrote:

    "Why shouldn't father Kelly have the same right and opportunity as the plaintiff. What if the name were revealed which resulted in possible witnesses who knew the plaintiff came forward."

    "There could be several witnesses out there that know the plaintiff is make this up/is being manipulated by SNAP/was influenced by a therapist but without knowing the name, these witnesses may never be found since they don't realize they have key testimony."

    Unless Father Kelly and the Stockton Diocese have the worst attorney's ever to pass the California bar, I am sure their investigators have looked high and low for anyone who could back up these claims that the plaintiff is a compulsive liar or was manipulated by a therapist. The defense hasn't even presented their case yet, so there is no way to know who they will have testifying on Father Kelly's behalf.

    The way these two complaints were stated makes it sound like the court is deliberately preventing Father Kelly and the diocese from having a fair trial by not revealing the plaintiff's name.

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 1:40 pm on Fri, Mar 9, 2012.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 2028

    "I do believe that he has a lot more resources in order to build his case. "

    I believe Darrell is talking about witnesses in oppose to $$$'s. even with you over stated billions of dollars, it doesn't nearly come close to helping Fr. Kelly as much as a witness who hear the plaintiff say the allegations are false or has some other possibly helpful testimony. There could be several witnesses out there that know the plaintiff is make this up/is being manipulated by SNAP/was influenced by a therapist but without knowing the name, these witnesses may never be found since they don't realize they have key testimony.

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 1:15 pm on Fri, Mar 9, 2012.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    Darrell wrote, "The defense has no opportunity to enlist the help of possible witnesses that could help their case."

    How do you figure? Fr. Kelly has the Catholic Church and billions of dollars backing him up. I do believe that he has a lot more resources in order to build his case.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 12:44 pm on Fri, Mar 9, 2012.

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    I do have a a concern that has been bothering me.

    The plaintiff appears to have advantages in the prosecution of this case and the defendant seems to have disadvantages in defending himself due to the anonymous nature of the trial. Father Kelly's name is put out there and suffers humiliation where the bell cannot be unrung if it turns out he is found innocent.,

    The plaintiff's advantage is that he can get public support and possible witnesses to come forward who claim they too were abused and help their case to convict father Kelly.

    Why shouldn't father Kelly have the same right and opportunity as the plaintiff. What if the name were revealed which resulted in possible witnesses who knew the plaintiff came forward. What if these potential witnesses knew the plaintiff was lying and could have helped father Kelly to defend himself.

    The point is fairness. The defense has no opportunity to enlist the help of possible witnesses that could help their case. How can witnesses be found for the defense in the same way the publicity can for the plaintiff if the public does not know who the plaintiff is? If father Kelly is convicted and is innocent of the charge, wouldn't the paper's roll in keeping the plaintiff's name secret contribute to a false conviction?

     
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