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mason day: The truth about pitbull terriers-myths about pitbull terriers: hubpages.com>...>Dog Breeds>American Pit Bull Terrier. BTW, 2 different collies tore up 2 different pitbulls on 2 different occasions that i witnessed. "Lassie" won without a problem even though she was attacked first. Do not believe myths and gossip.
Thursday, May 2, 2013, 3:29 pm
MPhillips: Furthermore, I have a chihuahua mix that we rescued from the shelter. He has a tendency to bite and I have to be really careful with him around kids, people, and other pets. I limit where I take him due to this fact so that I do not have to worry about an incident. Understand that he is far less dangerous than a pit bull. He will never kill someone elses dog or maul someone to death. He is an 8 lb chihuahua. As you read about pit bull attacks, please understand that it has a lot to do with the breed. It is due to strength and aggressiveness. Please get your head out of the sand if you think all breeds are created equal.
Monday, April 29, 2013, 4:15 pm
MPhillips: First of all, I am very sorry for your loss Miss Dare. My dogs are like family and I know this must be hard. You and your dog didn't deserve this. I have read these posts. There is some intelligence and some nonsense, as always. Are pit-bulls more dangerous than most breeds? Yes they are. If you think they are not, then I don't know what to say. Is this due to environmental factors or breeding? - yes. It is absolutely both factors. I do not dis-like pit bulls, but the problem is that anyone can own one; and that pit bull that you, your family, or your pet comes in contact with as you are walking the streets of Lodi could have been raised by someone that has suppressed the aggressive nature of the breed or by an idiot that has no clue how to raise a dog. Man, you people that keep saying it is not the breed. How can you say that? How can you think they are no more dangerous than other dogs?
Monday, April 29, 2013, 4:03 pm
Scooter984: Typical pitbull defender ! try to deflect the allegation it wasn't a pit bull or how do you know he was a pitbull . BS
Sunday, April 28, 2013, 10:46 pm
Scooter984: Sure what ever > I blame all pit bulls !
Sunday, April 28, 2013, 10:44 pm
Scooter984: One needs to be quick with your steel ! Knife gun if you carry a ccw .waiting for the day my Goldens is attacked ! I will slay any pitbull with a quickness !Or what ever breed it happens to be . !
Sunday, April 28, 2013, 10:43 pm
Brenda Grant: Most owners are responsible enough to know the hazards of their dog, and so they should be. But not ANY dog can or will, unprovoked, maul or kill another dog or person, so the level of responsibility (containment) necessary is not comparable, neither is the outcome should the containment fail. By generalizing the problem to include all dogs and their owners is saying to the public that you refuse to take measures to keep the public safe unless all dogs breeds are subjected to the same level of containment necessary for a fighting breed dog.
and btw, species occurred naturally, dog breeds were man made for mans purposes. A breed only exists as long as man controls its mating, it's not of nature. There are many, many breeds that have lived out their purpose and let to end, their genes having been used to create new breeds, for better or worse. There are some breeds now that have terrible physical and mental disorders from interbreeding to keep the type because man selfishly wants it, even though there is great suffering of the dogs. I would consider this going against nature, not ending a breed. Maybe this is natures way to end what man has manipulated too far.
Sunday, April 28, 2013, 3:22 pm
Brenda Grant: The oft repeated comparisons to vicious chihuahuas and poodles vs placid, only lick you to death pit bulls has worn very thin...so thin in fact, that it is working against you. It insults peoples intelligence, and defies reality.
Sunday, April 28, 2013, 1:59 pm
Brenda Grant: A dog cannot be bad or good. It is what it is, which is a result of it's dna, modified by it's environment. I'm sorry but you just can't expect any rational person after 100s of years of dog breeding for specific traits to believe that breed has no bearing on a dogs behavior, only training. It's quite the omnipotent thinking to reduce a dogs brain to a blank slate to be programmed.
Sunday, April 28, 2013, 1:39 pm
Brenda Grant: Oh yes, Cesar Milan..."Yeah but this breed is different...the power that comes behind the bull dog, pit bull, presa canario, the fighting breeds -they have that extra boost, they can go into this zone, they can't feel the pain anymore...So if you are trying to create submission in a fighting breed, it's not going to happen. They would rather die than surrender. If you add pain, it only infuriates them...to them pain is that adrenaline rush, they are looking forward to that, they are addicted to it...thats why they are such great fighters. Especially with the fighting breeds, you're going to have these explosions over and over and over, because there are no limits in their brains"
Sunday, April 28, 2013, 1:22 pm
Brenda Grant: There are only a handful of breeds that would even have a fighting chance against a pit bull, and yes chows and rotts would be two of them, hence why they are consistantly on the list of fatal dog attacks. There have been however, fatal attacks to both of these breeds by pit bulls. But these extreme breeds are not the majority of owned dogs, which have no chance whatsoever against loose pit bulls, and these are the ones being attacked everyday. Read a few pro pit bull blogs or forums, they are highly aware (and proud) of this fact. And, lol... the day lassie will make short order of a pit, is the day that lassie has rabies, and the pit is still a submissive puppy!
Sunday, April 28, 2013, 12:57 pm
Brenda Grant: Horrible "act"...? Do you mean attack? or do you mean the news covering this story adding to pit bulls bad rap? "handful of incidences"...? this is how you see the daily attacks and fatalities to dogs and people? If you are willing to fight tooth and nail for pit bulls, it might be more constructive to push for any kind of restriction on the ownership and breeding of them, rather than futilely trying to convince the public their breeding for impulse and sustained aggression has no bearing, when the evidence is to the contrary. The only possibility to end their bad rap is to stop the attacks, period, which the current method of advocacy - mass promotion and breed denial- is for the moment prolonging. It is clear to see that as the attacks are escalating, public tolerance is plummeting, which is the exact conditions that will eventually force a resolution, one that you might not like as much if you took another approach.
Sunday, April 28, 2013, 12:29 pm
Brenda Grant: It is not because they are big that they are a danger. There are many larger breeds. It is their breeding for impulse and sustained aggression. Getting bit by a shetland sheepdog cannot be compared in danger to be mauled, possibly fatally, by a pitbull. Yes all dog owners should be aware, but if they are not, it will not end in tragedy.
Sunday, April 28, 2013, 10:51 am
Dennis Baker: While anti BSL, pro pit advocates celebrate what they consider victories. We mourn another death . Thus far this year there have been 11 fatal dog attacks in the U.S. In every one of these deaths only one breed (type) of dog has been the killer .The pit bull has been the only type of dog to take human life so far this year. Please Pray for the families and loved ones of the following .(Beau Rutledge, 2 years old)(Jordyn Arndt 4 years old )( Claudia Gallardo, 38 years old ) (Tyler Jett, 7 years old ) (Monica Renee Laminack, 21 months old) (Daxton Borchardt, 14 months old ) ( Ryan Maxwell, 7 years old ) (Isaiah Aguilar, 2 years old ) ( Esile Grace, 91 years old ) (Christian Gormanous, 4 years old ) (Betty Todd, 65 years old ) What kind of people find celebration while lives are lost. At this rate within the next 10 to 20 days We will be adding another innocent victim to this list. Please join Us to bring regulation that will reduce the mauling and killing.https://www.facebook.com/ProtectChildrenFromPitBulls?hc_location=timeline
Saturday, April 27, 2013, 7:07 pm
mason day: Then I would lose my free tow service![wink]
Saturday, April 27, 2013, 11:07 am
CaliGirl: One of the leading dog trainers in the world on pit bulls:
I am so sorry that Ms. Dare lost her dog and friend. I'm sure a lot of us can empathize with her, but we can't blame breeds. We dog owners need to start taking responsibility for our own actions and not shift the blame to our charges.
Friday, April 26, 2013, 12:02 pm
CaliGirl: Hello everyone. I have a couple of points to make.
1) First of all, it has not even been confirmed that the dog that attacked Shelby was even a pit bull. "The dog is BELIEVED to be a large white American pit bull with reddish brown spots." Information should not be reported unless it has been confirmed 100%. Have they found the dog or it's owner? No.
2) I have been around pit bulls since I was a child, and yes, they are a powerful breed. However, the behavior of a dog reflects the care of the OWNER. If you provide the dog with stress, it will react accordingly. I have come across COUNTLESS dog owners with aggressive dogs (all breeds) because they do not give them what they need to be balanced animals. My grandmother's chihuahua would gladly tear anyone to shreds if it had the chance, however because it was small, it was overlooked.
Dogs need exercise, nutrition and affection. If you don't give them all three in the right amounts, they will be imbalanced and prone to abnormal, unwanted and aggressive behaviors.
There are no bad dogs. Just irresponsible owners.
Friday, April 26, 2013, 11:48 am
Jerome R Kinderman: These dogs are NOT the same as all other breeds. Their size alone along with those massive jaws separate them from most others. When was the last time it was reported that a Dachshund attacked anyone to the point where they were mauled or killed? In this case, size DOES matter.
Nevertheless, because one of my little dogs has a propensity to growl and/or bark at someone approaching him, I insist that no child come close. My other Doxie is just plain lovable and never barks or growls when strangers are around.
Thursday, April 25, 2013, 1:03 pm
Jerome R Kinderman: "Beauty" is certainly in the eye of the beholder. As a small-dog owner, I see little beauty in this dog. What I see is the potential for pain, suffering and even death. Perhaps because I was viciously attacked by one of these dogs about 15 years ago, my opinion is based on real-world experience. I did absolutely nothing to cause the attack; it belonged to my nephew and while I was sitting in their living room just having a discussion, I did nothing but stand up to get ready to leave. In less than a second the animal reared back and attached itself to my upper arm. Luckily I was wearing a relatively heavy jacket (it was Winter) because even though it bit through the coat and drew blood, it could have been much worse.
Since it was a family member who claimed that the dog had never done such a thing before, I just let it go. Sadly, I learned couple of months later that they weren't all that truthful because it had indeed attacked someone else seemingly for no reason at all. And maybe it was because of these attacks or the fact that they had a baby, they did get rid of the dog.
As a result of that attack I know that I have an innate fear of these types of animals - and when I'm around any large dog I'm certain they're able to sense my feelings. I don't know how to rid myself of the fear so I just try to stay away from them whenever possible.
Thursday, April 25, 2013, 12:56 pm
Jerome R Kinderman: Since I doubt that this woman has ever had her arm in the jaws of a pit bull, her comment was made more out of love for her beloved Doxie rather than a full understanding of what it would mean to have her arm mangled as her beloved dog was.
Of course as an owner of two Dachshunds myself, I understand how wonderful these dogs truly are - not that other breeds aren't equally as precious to other dog lovers. As such, I cannot fathom how I would feel had I witnessed such a mauling of my dogs - perhaps I would also would wish that the dog might attack me instead. It's all about "feelings" here - not so much about the physical reality of such an attack.
Thursday, April 25, 2013, 12:45 pm
Robert Jacobs: Okay I'll bite. If what say is true about the owners (and I'm sure it plays a part ) how come we don't see German Shepard's, or Dutch Hounds, or poodles, or just about any other breed biting and attacking people, animals and children?
Are you saying "only" Pitt bull owners are mean and teaching these animals aggression? You men to tell me that no other dog owner is ever mean to their animals? Because I haven't seen any other breed in the news going after people, other dogs or children lately? It's almost always Pitt Bulls!
And just FYI, there is no such breed as a Pitt-Bull anyway... But thats what we've affectionately call them....
I would love to be enlightened!
Thursday, April 25, 2013, 6:09 am
mason day: Ms. Bell; A trained rottweiler/chow mix will make short work of a pitbull. If you think a pitbull is evil, watch as a rottweiller does what comes naturally. The same goes for all breeds. Watch a pitbull choke to death as it tries to get through the thick fur of a collie as the long jaws of the collie makes short work of the pitbull. I t really is all about training and you can tell a lot about a person by their dog's behavior.
Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 11:57 pm
mason day: What does it take you people to wake up to the fact that IT IS NOT THE BREED , BUT THE OWNER'S KNOWLEDGE AND TRAINING OF THAT BREED THAT MAKES IT DANGEROUS??!!! I had a trained chihuahua for 16 years that was a handful and if it would have been a pitbull or any other "bad dog" I would have shot it if it displayed bad temperament. IT ALL DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU, THE OWNER TRAINS THEM FOR! I sympathyze with Ms.Dare wholeheartedly.
Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 11:39 pm
LewCal: Dogs are products of their breeding. Pit bulls do not have to be "taught" to attack and kill other dogs, it is an inbred characteristic. While training and the way a dog is raised can impact a dog's behavior, they cannot overcome inbred tendencies and the inbred tendencies of pit bulls are to attack without warning and rip, tear and shake until their victim stops moving.
Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 10:23 pm
LewCal: “It was pretty brutal,” said Dare, struggling to recall the gruesome scene. “I wish my arm could have been in that pit bull’s mouth rather than Shelby. She was my baby.”
I sympathized with Dare until I read this comment. What an incredibly stupid thing to say! A large pit bull can break and even rip off the arm of an adult male, so just think what that monster could have done to a woman! Dogs are easily replaced, arms aren't!
Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 10:18 pm
Sunny Samuels: I want to see the OWNERS charged for these crimes. They are the ones responsible for training the dogs. A dog learns what it has been taught. I also want to see animal abuse charged as a felony. I live in the country we have a bully breed but she is just a visual deterrent. She will bark like crazy but if you got close enough she would lick you and drool all over your shoes. (Kevin, FYI I don't live on Peltier-I also ride and I think I know what dog your talking about). Now then after you get past her then you get to deal with Cujo he only weighs 9lbs but he thinks he weighs 90lbs and he will mess you up if you give him a reason. It's funny to watch him growl at the UPS guy through the window but he has gone after someone before. I was in a parking lot and there was a begger who stuck his head in the passenger side window of my car. Cujo got him in the face. I called 9-1-1 because I thought the guy needed stitches but when cops and ambulance showed up he was freaking out and got himself arrested, turns out he was high on meth. The cops were shocked that i was the one to call them and no charges were ever brought up because the guy was a dummy and was in the wrong. I knew then that it wasn't just a 'show' with him. I've crossed a mean poodle in my day so I know it's not just big mean looking dogs that you need to watch out for.
Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 8:12 pm
Kevin Paglia: Pit Bulls are beautiful and POWERFUL creatures (not Ghetto dogs) and should be treated as such. Owners of ANY dog breed should be responsible enough to know what hazards their dogs are capable of.
No dog breed, or any animal species, should be eradicated because of the stupidity of people.
Do a google search on "Pit Bull saves" and you will see all the lives that would have been lost if people with Roberts and Jacobs mentality had their way.
Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 1:35 pm
Kurt Roberts: Pit bulls are ghetto dogs, those that gravitate towards owning them tend to be ghetto themselves... FACT!!!
Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 1:12 pm
Merritt Clifton: I have been logging fatal and disfiguring dog attacks in the U.S. and Canada since September 1982. Of the 4,086 dogs involved in fatal and disfiguring attacks on humans occurring in the past 30.5 years, 2,528 (62%) were pit bulls; 529 were Rottweilers; 3,276 were of related molosser breeds, including pit bulls, Rottweilers, Cane Corsos, mastiffs, boxers, and their mixes. Of the 508 human fatalities, 255 were killed by pit bulls; 84 were killed by Rottweilers; 377 (69%) were killed by molosser breeds. Of the 2,259 people who were disfigured, 1,451 (61%) were disfigured by pit bulls; 304 were disfigured by Rottweilers; 1,847 (82%) were disfigured by molosser breeds. Surveys of dogs offered for sale or adoption indicate that pit bulls are less than 5% of the U.S. dog population; molosser breeds, all combined, are 9%. This is, in short, a repetitively predictable phenomenon which is occurring more & more often, and, incidentally, is resulting in about 10 times as many animal deaths & disfigurements by pit bulls as are suffered by humans.
Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 12:26 pm
Robert Jacobs: These dogs should be eradicated!
Wiped out completely!
Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 8:21 am
mason day: Pitbulls drag 4000lbs. I gotta get one a dem to tow my 72 chevy truck when it pukes!
Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 1:22 am
mason day: [lol]
Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 12:49 am
roy bitz: I met Ms Dare and her mom briefly at the Vinewood dog park Saturday. They lost a beloved pet----nothing can change that, but I respect Ms Dare moving forward in a positive way to call attention to a very real and very serious problem. This is not a dog problem. This is a dog owner problem.I doubt the city would be able to impose a muzzle ordinance or Inforce it but---For safety sake--- I believe owners should be encouragedto fit their dogs into proper harness--- not a simple collar that can be slipped. A dog harness may no have saved Shelby in this case but maybe-- just maybe.
Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 10:10 pm
debbeBell: A thinking person only needs to examine which dog ALL USA dog fighters choose to know which dogs are the best at maiming/killing. Pits are the best at attacking without reason (even far from home), without trying to avoid a confrontation, without warning, for immediately doing damage, for not stopping even after the victim submits/says uncle, for attacking even after suffering severe personal injury. Read that those traits, they are essential for dog fighting.
Can someone control a pit? Probably not unless the pit wants to be controlled. Pits have dragged weights over 4000 pounds, so dragging an owner along on an attack is a piece of cake for most pits.
The fact that sadistic, cruel pit men created pit bulls thru selective breeding is not sufficient reason to continue breeding MORE pits. Ban pit breeding, sale. The only way to acquire a pit should be via adoption of a spay/neuter pit from a licensed shelter. BTW, dog fighters hate this plan, but do you really want to support dog fighters?
Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 9:11 pm
debbeBell: Breed doesn't matter, it's all about training and management? Then why continue breeding pit bulls at all? Let them mercifully become extinct. When pits are few and far between, just adopt any available dog, then train/manage her to be your delightful pet.
Please DO NOT equate GSDs and Dobermans to pits! Even when these dogs were popular, they never killed/maimed others (pets/people-neighbors/owners) in the ways and numbers pits are now. It is not about fault, but pits were/are created to kill others,period. Dobermans and GSDs are not BULLY dogs.
Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 9:04 pm
tg2ma: I am sorry to hear of this horrible act...however I am quite worried that the breed of dog is being blamed...it could have been any " big breed" dog.... a german sheperd....rotweiler.....great dane..... doberman pinscher...the list could go on and on. To blame the breed is naive and unfair....we adopted our sweet....kind....beloved " Pit" from a local rescue agency....she is the best part of our home....if you really want to see what these wonderful creatures are really like...take the time to watch Animal Planet....Pits are the same as any other breed...with one horrid exception....they have a bad reputation....Dogs are what WE make them....so I believe each case needs to be treated on an individual basis....DO NOT place a negative label on the Pit Bull because of a handful of incidences....and I WILL FIGHT tooth and nail for my right to own and love these amazing animals......
Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 6:31 pm
mason day: I've personally put the boot to such owner's dogs on occasion as described and WILL dish out kind admonishments and legallities, to the owner, but there comes a limit as I have demonstrated; FORGET ABOUT COURT: YOUR vicious animal shall be dealt with accordingly and so will you , legally or illegally.Here is a real simple fact: Pissed off dog with no training as well as its owner has NO CHANCE against Robert Maurer. PERIOD!! I have proven this time and time again. When you doubting Thomases want to see if I'm full of... TRY ME!! NOW OBEY THE CA.LEASH LAW AND AVOID THE PENALTIES AND HEARTACHE. Kevin; I know first hand what you go go through as a bicyclist and motorcyclist. Hint; a dog of any type freaks out and runs away when YOU become aggressive and chase after it.Get A MEAN ATTITUDE and believe IN GOD as you do this, and you WILL NOT be attacked.I was attacked in 1972 by a small dog who attached itself to my ankle while on a bicycle ride. It hit the ground 3 times during crankshaft revolutions(3) before it let go of me ankle.I have the scars to this day to prove it.Thus my attitude toward irresponsible dogs and their owners. There's more that reached Lodi'S court that I was a victim /witness to that did not end well for the dog and its owner that I won't get into except for the fact that it is difficult to put a GS550 on its center stand while avoiding getting bit while simultaneously booting a pitbull in the hip and head untill it focusses on another target ; a group of children on their way to school....
Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 6:13 pm
Todd Oesterman: What a shame. And what a d-bag the pit bull's owner is for running away from his responsibility. Not the first time I've seen or heard of a "muscular" guy all tatt'ed up with his attack dogs thinking he's a big stud . . . and then he lies like a coward. Time to stop overcompensating, grow a real set and come forward, perrita.
Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 5:48 pm
Kevin Paglia: It doesn't even take a big dog to be a danger in public. On my cycling rides I routinely have a small dog try to run into my bike on Jack Tone road. It only got close enough once where I had to kick it away, but if it ever got under my tires I could fall into traffic.
Down Peltier there is Shetland sheep dog that charges aggressively at me every time I pass the property as well.
Dog owners of ANY size dog or breed need to be aware of how their dog acts when off it's leash and protect others when in public.
Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 4:31 pm
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