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Posted: Friday, July 1, 2011 12:00 am | Updated: 7:49 am, Fri Jul 1, 2011.

A bill signed in 2010 by former Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger requiring California homeowners to install carbon monoxide detectors goes into effect today. The bill, authored by Sen. Alan Lowenthal, D-Long Beach, aims to protect against what the California Air Resources Control Board calls "avoidable deaths."

About 40 people per year die from carbon monoxide poisoning, Lowenthal said at the time of the bill's signing.

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  • Kim Lee posted at 5:35 pm on Thu, Jul 7, 2011.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    "Taste" is relative, as evidenced by your many comments and jokes made in bad taste, Darrell.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 2:39 pm on Thu, Jul 7, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Ms Lee stated... Oh, and it doesn't matter if you joke about an individual (Palin) or a group (democrats)... it's till a joke. You don't get to joke about democrats and artists..

    Please let me clarify again. I appreciate that all jokes no matter who they are intended for should be in good taste... I do not consider all jokes Bashing... and the intent of the bash is important if you are to Bash... "period"...Now I have used a period as you requested Ms Lee. Happy to do as you request.

    Speaking of jokes... I think this dialogue is one... tell you what... why dont you respond and post how bad I am... I make this advance post and state... "whatever".... and you can get your fantasy thrill without me responding...

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 6:30 pm on Wed, Jul 6, 2011.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    Darrell wrote, "My guess is that you thought " Cujo" was a funny movie."

    LOL! What the heck? Now you say that I have no idea what comedy is since I must have thought "Cujo" was a funny movie? Oh bother, Darrell, that was pretty bad. You don't like comedy or the arts, do you? (rhetorical) LOL! It's really very obvious that you are so out of touch.

    Again, you post so called "jokes" and go on to personally attack others for their jokes, as if they are inferior. Give us all a break, Darrell, and save your "comedy" for those birds you feed at the park.

    Oh, and it doesn't matter if you joke about an individual (Palin) or a group (democrats)... it's till a joke. You don't get to joke about democrats and artists (because you "say" your motives are pure) and then chastise others for joking about Palin. It doesn't work that way and you're going to be called on it every time. Before you blast others, Darrell, check your own behavior first. You seem to be missing a mirror in your home.

    Maybe someday you can respond simply because you disagree.


     
  • Kim Lee posted at 6:15 pm on Wed, Jul 6, 2011.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    Darrell: For goodness sake use a period! LOL!

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 10:15 am on Wed, Jul 6, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405


    Ms Lee stated...Ahhhh... And there it is! That's the point, Darrell. Right back atcha. Remember THAT the next time you go off getting all worked up, angry and bitter over someone elses "joke".

    Ms Lee, you are mistaken again"just a joke", is something that does not make others look stupid.. a play on words where it focuses on a group rather than a specific individual is "just a joke"... from my perspective where my intent was not to bash...intentional bashing a specific person like Durst and you, is not "just a joke", as the intent is to malign in a comical way so that the listener would not perceive it "mean"... after all its just a joke... sorry K Lee, your joke is mean... my joke is not.... I find it sad that you would enjoy such distasteful comedy. My guess is that you thought " Cujo" was a funny movie.

    Oh... and when you state...Darrell. Right back atcha... that reveals your character of aggressive intent to get even about something... I am pleased that I do not do that. When post something that is a result of something you post, it is an attempt to set straight and communicate reality as I see it... I have no intent to get even... interesting to discover what motivates people like yourself... maybe someday you can respond simply because you disagree and wish to state your reality... somehow, I think you are not interested in truth... just negative energy in the form of
    “right back atcha”, as you say.

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 11:12 pm on Tue, Jul 5, 2011.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    Darrell stated, "I was joking about pro-choice thinking..." and "I was also pointing out the importance of freedom to choose as opposed to mandated rules even if it had good intent and safety as its goal.."

    Darrell: These two statements are contradictory. You joke about pro-choice and democrats (in a derogatory manner), but go on to point out the importance of the freedom to choose. Odd.

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 10:50 pm on Tue, Jul 5, 2011.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    Darrell wrote, "you sound so angry and bitter over nothing but a joke"

    Ahhhh... And there it is! That's the point, Darrell. Right back atcha. Remember THAT the next time you go off getting all worked up, angry and bitter over someone elses "joke".

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:30 am on Tue, Jul 5, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    K stated...However, you are more than willing to protect the republicans on a case by case basis from such an awful fate...

    K... now you are acting the comedian... thanks for the snicker...protect the Republicans?
    I was joking about pro-choice thinking... I was also pointing out the importance of freedom to choose as opposed to mandated rules even if it had good intent and safety as its goal...I was not bashing or protecting anyone... The reason I joked about republicans on a case by case basis is because there are certain republicans that are republicans in name only... so if Olympia Snowe applied for a waiver as an example, since she is pro choice and liberal, I would grant a waiver...
    Ms Lee... your perception of my intent is comical... you sound so angry and bitter over nothing but a joke that has nothing to do with hypocrisy... Maybe you should have had one more for the 4th as you suggested in another thread.

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 4:51 pm on Mon, Jul 4, 2011.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    Darrell wrote, "I was not bashing the democrats in my joke..."

    Darrell: Really? LOL! Yes, you were indeed joking that the democrats can go ahead, with your help as the "carbon monoxide detector Tzar for California" and get carbon monoxide poising if they like. However, you are more than willing to protect the republicans on a case by case basis from such an awful fate. You can backpedal on this all you like, but it's obvious that you were doing exactly what you bashed others for doing on the other (Will Durst) thread. You can't bash people for making jokes about people they may not agree with politically and then you yourself go off with jokes about people that you may not agree with politically. That, Darrell, makes you a hypocrite. I think you know this is exactly what you did and you are feverishly trying to get out of it now. I know there will be more jokes from you in that same vein (and I'm sure I'll laugh... as I don't have the same issues as you), but I'll be here to remind you of your hypocrisy then too.

    God Bless America!
    Happy 4th of July!


     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 10:29 am on Mon, Jul 4, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Doug Chaney posted at 9:57 am...being diagnosed with mesothelioma due to the harsh chemicals, odors, toxic gases, lead paint, and plenty of asbestos and fibreglass, it wseems my destiny will come due to the fact that we weren't told these substances were gooing to kill us some day, and not in a very pleasant manner.

    Doug... thanks for this post...
    You have my respect and concern on this kind of issue. Im very sorry that you have been diagnosed with mesothelioma... I think you have identified exactly when the government should be involved … health.. safety and protection from things we can not protect ourselves from by ourselves... I think a healthy debate as to what is appropriate for government and when it goes to far would be beneficial... again... thank you!

     
  • Doug Chaney posted at 9:57 am on Mon, Jul 4, 2011.

    Doug Chaney Posts: 1232

    Darrell, after 30 years in the constructon industry and being diagnosed with mesothelioma due to the harsh chemicals, odors, toxic gases, lead paint, and plenty of asbestos and fibreglass, it wseems my destiny will come due to the fact that we weren't told these substances were gooing to kill us some day, and not in a very pleasant manner. Anyone not using any kind of deterrant to avoid this same situation will certainly suffer the same fate, possibly earlier in life than most. For my "punishment" I receive checks from my attorneys in the class action lawsuits that remind me of my soon coming fate every day. I hope others aren't as ignorant today with the warnings and safety devices available on the public market to avoid this pollution tainted world.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:48 am on Mon, Jul 4, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Anyway… shouldn’t it be the republicans that can choose not to have the detectors, as they are the ones that want no government in their lives?

    K... I think you have a misunderstanding of republicans... its is Libertarians that what government out of their lives, and in many circumstances, I appreciate that position...
    Conservative republicans want “Federal” government in our lives mostly when it comes to national security and protecting people economically from unfair practices domestically and internationally.. National defense is important as well... personally, I wish each state had more control.. I think the more local politics is the more likely you can get effective representation. I have never met a republican that wants no government in their lives.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:27 am on Mon, Jul 4, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    K Lee stated...Darrell: the thing is that you just got done arguing (over on the Comedian Will Durst thread) that you do not find it funny when people make jokes about people they don’t like. Well, obviously you don’t like democrats or liberals, as that’s been well established here.... but I have to say that you are a hypocrite for doing exactly what you just blasted others for doing on another thread (including the comedian Will Durst).
    Anyway… shouldn’t it be the republicans that can choose not to have the detectors, as they are the ones that want no government in their lives?

    K... Let me respond in what I consider a respectful reply...

    I appreciate and admire many things about most people. I think that democrats have wonderful intentions in general and are caring loving people... I think to be liberal is to be nurturing and paternal. Those are characteristics that I respect and value. However, many times, liberals want to carry these characteristics too far and insist on doing for others what they perceive best... This is where I draw the line. So when laws are made in the best interest of people like seat belt, river rafting, smoke detectors, and a myriad of other mandated rules and procedures, I resent it. Even though the intent is honorable and of good heart... I want my freedom to choose. I want others to have freedom to choose. Its why I feel so free in Thailand... very few regulations...they let you put yourself at risk if you are silly enough to do it... I put myself at risk there and could have been killed because of my decisions... but I had that freedom... and I now know what freedom I do not have in USA anymore. It is getting bad in my opinion.

    As far as my joke... please remember that I originally said that when a comedian is “bashing” a person, it is not funny unless the person doing the bashing appreciates the person they are bashing... I was not saying that “no jokes” could be made... I was not bashing the democrats in my joke... I was trying to be creative and play off the pro-choice stance the democrats have claimed for years... I then joked about republicans that it would be on a case by case basis for the waiver... that is because they are “not” considered pro-choice... therefore a case by case basis, not as much freedom.

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 4:19 pm on Sun, Jul 3, 2011.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    Darrell: Obviously you were trying to be funny with your first comment here (Jul 1st @11:45am), but the thing is that you just got done arguing (over on the Comedian Will Durst thread) that you do not find it funny when people make jokes about people they don’t like. Well, obviously you don’t like democrats or liberals, as that’s been well established here. That’s perfectly fine (your choice), but then you proceed to write this comment, that I’m sure you find funny, saying that you'd gladly allow democrats to opt out of using the carbon monoxide detectors. I actually do think that was funny, but I have to say that you are a hypocrite for doing exactly what you just blasted others for doing on another thread (including the comedian Will Durst).

    Anyway… shouldn’t it be the republicans that can choose not to have the detectors, as they are the ones that want no government in their lives? Hmmm… you didn’t think about that one, did ya? LOL!

    Well, in all seriousness I do not believe anyone should be told that they have to legally have these detectors in the house. With that said, I think only an idiot would NOT have these detectors in their home.

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 4:11 pm on Sun, Jul 3, 2011.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    Darrell: Obviously you were trying to be funny with your first comment here (Jul 1st @11:45am), but the thing is that you just got done complaining (over on the Comedian Will Durst thread) about how you do not find it funny when people make jokes about people they don’t like. Well, obviously you don’t like democrats or liberals, as that’s been well established here. That’s perfectly fine, but then you proceed to write this joke, that I’m sure you find funny, saying that democrats can opt out of using the carbon monoxide detector if they wish. I actually do think that was funny, but I have to say that you are a hypocrite for doing exactly what you just blasted others for doing on another thread (including the comedian Will Durst).

    Anyway… shouldn’t it be the republicans that can choose not to have the detectors, as they are the ones that want no government in their lives? Hmmm… you didn’t think about that one, did ya? LOL!

    Well, in all seriousness I do not believe anyone should be told that they have to legally have these detectors in the house. With that said, I think only an idiot would choose NOT to have these detectors in their home.


     
  • Doug Chaney posted at 12:21 pm on Sun, Jul 3, 2011.

    Doug Chaney Posts: 1232

    By the way, these detectors are built into nearly all motor homes that use LPG or PNG fuel. Ours has one, but if not disconnected while the motor home is not in use will deplete both the vehicle and motor home 12 volt battery. Propane fuels are heavier than air and rather than rising, drop to the floor, I believe.

     
  • Doug Chaney posted at 12:17 pm on Sun, Jul 3, 2011.

    Doug Chaney Posts: 1232

    Uh oh? Happy Independence Day! Hope to see you at the Kiwanis breakfast tomorrow morning. I'll buy.

     
  • Bob Kempf posted at 11:57 am on Sat, Jul 2, 2011.

    Bob Kempf Posts: 41

    Holy moly....Me too.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 11:26 am on Sat, Jul 2, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Doug stated... but I don't agree with the mandatory designation. They are in use in my kitchen and laundry room where my gas appliances and water heater are situated...

    Doug... we have something more in common.... great post...


     
  • Doug Chaney posted at 10:53 am on Sat, Jul 2, 2011.

    Doug Chaney Posts: 1232

    So the democrats are responsible? These are, carbon monoxide detectors, are meant to be early warning signs of a dangerous, unseen hazard that culminates breathing these fumes, leading to possible death or other life threatening situations from carbon monoxide inhalation. Many new technology smoke detectors are a combination apertunance that detect both smoke, heat, fire and noxious carbon monoxide fumes. I recommend having them, especially those homes with natural gas appliances or propane, but I don't agree with the mandatory designation. They are in use in my kitchen and laundry room where my gas appliances and water heater are situated.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:56 am on Sat, Jul 2, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    K...please clarify... I have no idea what you are talking about... since democrats are firmly entrenched in freedom of choice (pro-choice), I would think democrats would appreciate the freedom to choose that this waiver would give...

    Ms Lee... this is another example of many where the conclusion you draw is odd.

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 10:57 pm on Fri, Jul 1, 2011.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    Darrell: Are you saying that you are okay with people experiencing carbon monoxide poisoning?

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 11:45 am on Fri, Jul 1, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Ms Bobin stated... Just who are the carbon monoxide detector police going to be?

    Ms Bobin... I'll let the cat out of the bag... I have been appointed by governor Brown to be the carbon monoxide detector Tzar for California... I have been given powers to issue waivers when I deem it appropriate. As of today, I am granting all registered democrats waivers as they deserve the freedom to choose. All registered Republicans will be granted waivers on a case by case basis. All independents will not be granted waivers under any circumstance. As a favor you you and Ms Lee, I am granting waivers if you wish to apply, regardless of political affiliation.
    Of course I do not expect anything in return. Just happy to do the right thing.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 10:37 am on Fri, Jul 1, 2011.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Just who are the carbon monoxide detector police going to be?

    Or will people be prosecuted after they are dead or family members are dead?

     
  • Ryan Jameson posted at 8:14 am on Fri, Jul 1, 2011.

    Ryan Jameson Posts: 195

    So what's next, are the politicians going to outlaw death? Or just anything that might kill you other than your own body failing?

     
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