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Posted: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 1:50 pm | Updated: 6:12 am, Thu Sep 13, 2012.

A second sexual abuse lawsuit was filed Tuesday against former Lockeford priest Michael Kelly.

Kelly is accused in the suit of assaulting a former altar boy in the early 2000s in San Andreas. The plaintiff, now 24 and living in Sacramento County, attended St. Andrew Catholic Parish in San Andreas at the time. Kelly was head priest at the Calaveras County parish.

Attorneys Vince Finaldi and John Manly will conduct a news conference today in Stockton to announce details of the lawsuit. The plaintiff is identified only as “John CC Doe” to protect his privacy as a childhood sexual assault victim, Finaldi said.

In addition to Kelly, the St. Andrew Parish, Stockton Diocese Bishop Stephen Blaire and Monsignor Richard Ryan are named in the lawsuit, Finaldi said in a media advisory.

According to Finaldi, Blaire and Ryan conspired to allow Kelly to remain in the ministry despite Kelly being unfit to minister to children and knowledge of several past allegations against Kelly.

Attorney Thomas Beatty, who represented Kelly in a civil case earlier this year, said Tuesday that he was unaware that a second suit was filed against Kelly. Beatty said he will likely be retained in the most recent lawsuit, but he hadn’t been as of Tuesday afternoon.

The suit filed Tuesday alleges that Kelly would travel to the plaintiff’s home unannounced, often with the boy’s parents away from home. The boy attempted suicide after Kelly’s sexual assaults, according to the lawsuit.

Prior to Kelly’s alleged sexual abuse, the boy was well-adjusted and popular, but then he began to withdraw from family and friends, the suit alleges. His grades and motivation dropped dramatically, Finaldi claims.

Kelly was pastor of St. Joachim’s Catholic Church in Lockeford from 2004 until he was removed from his position on April 6. A San Joaquin County Superior Court jury ruled the same day that Kelly was civilly liable of sexually assaulting former altar boy Travis Trotter in the 1980s.

Kelly was never criminally charged in the Trotter case.

Trotter, who attended Cathedral of the Annunciation in Stockton and a K-8 school of the same name, now lives in Fairfax.

Later in April, the diocese settled the case with Trotter for $3.75 million. Kelly left the United States and returned to his native Ireland in mid-April. Kelly said  in a note to his supporters that he sought medical care and time to be with his family in Ireland.

A case management conference has been scheduled for Feb. 8, 2013 before San Joaquin County Superior Court Judge Barbara Kronlund. The suit was filed in San Joaquin County because the diocese office is in Stockton, Finaldi said.

Contact reporter Ross Farrow at rossf@lodinews.com.

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97 comments:

  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 2:02 pm on Sun, Sep 23, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Mr Golay stated...Darrell,
    Let me be firm. I am in no way "connected to this case" as you put it. In fact, you stated that in the declarative as if it is a confirmed something that I must confess. In which way do you assume I am.

    Mr Golay, I am simply following and operating from the same position and standard as the Trotter jury as well as the SNAP organization. The Trotter jury awarded 3.7 million even the the jury acknowledged no evidence was presented. “NONE” Just a typical mythical repressed memory account from Mr Trotter.
    SNAP insists that a priest is guilty if a person accuses that priest. Evidence and proof is not needed.

    In my view, The Trotter jury gave me and everyone else license to hold people responsible without proof. I accused you of something. That standard is enough to make you wrong and me right. I have no physical evidence or documented proof that you are representing the accuser in some way. So what! You are guilty of what I accused you of.

    Therefore, your insistence that in no way are you connected to this case is does not matter.
    You are guilty as charged no matter what you say... You have no way to prove you are not related to this case just as father Kelly could not prove he did not do something 25 years ago in the Trotter case.

     
  • Steve Golay posted at 9:23 am on Sat, Sep 22, 2012.

    Cadavera Vero Innumera Posts: 43

    Darrell,

    Let me be firm. I am in no way "connected to this case" as you put it. In fact, you stated that in the declarative as if it is a confirmed something that I must confess. In which way do you assume I am.

    As with anyone who enters into a discussion forum such as this, folks have motivations, interests. Certain stories perk their alertness. They stay, because the tale simply grabs.

    But you seem to be suggesting collusion. That's silly. I have had no contact with the "accuser", as you tag him, or his legal counsel. I had stated earlier that I would only comment on this forum that such was and remains the case. I would withdraw if it was otherwise.

    As with anyone here, there may be a particular "story" behind my interest in this case, and my willingness to be involved in this forum. But once more, again, and forever, it does not, remotely, have to do with some relationship (hidden or otherwise) with the personages (or the investigation) of this case.

    You can not draw any such conclusion just because I've (boldly and publicly) state that my gut tells me the boy is telling the truth. But that's the rub, isn't it; you're interested in the genesis of the intuition, as if that is in anyway germane to this case. It is not.

    Of course, how truth is permitted to stand in court is a different issue - which is the on-going discussion on this forum. Not only with the particulars but the larger topics that, inevitability, surround it. Let's keep the conversation on that.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 5:37 pm on Fri, Sep 21, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Michael Wilson stated...I reiterate again that Kelly's testimony is paramount to this case

    I disagree. His testimony will not effect the outcome at all. The case is over Michael.
    The guilty verdict is in. All thats left is to determine how big the check is.

    Father Kelly cannot prove he did not do something... the jury will believe the story told by the accuser, no evidence is needed other than that. The process is a sham and justice is not a consideration.

    After all, this man happens to be a priest, he has been accused, case closed.

    All I can say... bring on the next cash cow.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 5:09 pm on Fri, Sep 21, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Michael Wilson stated...I would take someone who is in favor of Roe v. Wade who would fight for protecting our kids from sexual abuse from priests versus someone who opposes Roe vs Wade

    Gee, just what I have read 1000 times from SNAP representatives.

    Personal, I think it is noble and wonderful defending anyone who has been abused by anyone.

    You reveal your SNAP connection by only focusing on priests... that is what SNAP does, go after priests. Unfortunately, the innocent ones swept up

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 5:03 pm on Fri, Sep 21, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Michael Wilson stated...I do not believe that we are able to rule out the possibility ...

    So if the organization performing an evaluation sets a standard that they must be 100% certain... not 99.8 percent... then they cannot rule something out.

    Michael, for an example,you know as well as I that there is no way to rule out that you may commit a crime in the future. If I were the one making that recommendation, and I could be sued if my recommendation turned out wrong, I would then recommend that you not be allowed to go anywhere near the area of concern unsupervised. That way, if you do commit a crime, My behind is covered.

    You posting what you did is irrelevant without the context it was meant. We do not know what was verbally said. We do not know if the evaluators were simply worried about a future law suit that in this industry is rampant.


     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 1:56 pm on Fri, Sep 21, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Mr Golay... please identify yourself. You are connected to this case. The public has a right to know the objectivity of your posts. You are only here for this case, and after this case you will not return, just like all SNAP representaives. SNAP is more a vigilanti justice organization who insists they have never seen a false accuser... by posting your true connection to this case, people can judge your motivation to slant the case in favor of the accuser.

    Why are you so concerned? You are not from this area and live in your own world. Please post what city you live and if you represent Manly or SNAP.. or are you a friend to the family of the accuser?

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 1:34 pm on Fri, Sep 21, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Mr Golay of the accusers public relations firm stated.( in my opinion)....Am sure they did for John Doe, as a 12 year-old boy, when a certain person arrived at his home unannounced, with his parents away, walked in and closed the door.

    Thanks for the warning. Please be aware public...if you go to someone's house unannounced, you too may some day find yourself in court 20 years after the fact stating you abused someone.

    Seems to me you are quite the psychologist... you condition the jury pool to perceive that going to someone's home unannounced is behavior only a molester would engage in...later in court, the jury hears testimony of father Kelly entering a home unannounced.. then of course the jury will have that gut feeling that something is wrong... that he must be a molester or why else would he have entered in that manner... I wonder if my mother is a molester..she entered my home unannounced many times.

    In addition, there is no proof he entered that room to that child unannounced... but it you say it often enough, a maybe becomes an absolute.

    My hats off to you.. you are doing a very good job performing BF Skinner conditioning techniques.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 1:22 pm on Fri, Sep 21, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    The public realtionship firm of the accuser stated...You say the attorney for the "new John Doe" is "coaching" his client to make, to insert in an official summons, certain statements regarding Fr. Kelly's behavior towards (upon) him.

    No, did not say anything of the sort... I said coaching. You are putting words in my mouth.

    If I were in a civil case wanting to profit by millions of dollars, and there was no evidence other than my testimony... that makes the testimony crucial, right? I would be shocked if the attorney did not coach his client and rehearse repetitively... sort of like Trotter creating an outburst in court yelling at Kelly... and that opening day scene where after the emotional outburst, the judge compassionately asked if the accuser need time to compose himself...the jury stated those emotional scenes influenced their guilty verdict, right?

    So obviously , a well orchestrated presentation results in millions of dollars in profit. Do you really think Manly will leave the verdict to chance... he loves money too much in my opinion. His Newport and New York operations are very expensive. He cannot afford to lose.
    Just think, if Trotter would not have acted his way to millions, at Manly's direction, he would not have the opportunity to gain more in this John Doe case... I'd say coaching is the minimum Manly does for the benefit of the big pay day.(IN MY OPINION)

     
  • Michael Wilson posted at 1:04 pm on Fri, Sep 21, 2012.

    Michael Wilson Posts: 13

    Darrell,
    I ask you to read the entire compant. In it, you will see that the Diocese clearly breached its duty to protect its parishoners especially minors. I quote from the report; "I do not believe that we are able to rule out the possibility that some underlying or latent pedophilic elements may exist in this case...I believe that it is prudent to recommend that, in addition to undergoing psychotherapy, he is not to minister to children alone or to families in which there are children" (9). From this excerpt, it clearly looks like the diocese breached its duty in where they placed him (St Andrew's). If the diocese had reservations about this assessment, did they seek another opinion? If so, what were the results?

    My evidence speaks about of the previously referenced Archdiocese of Philadelphia. If parishoners knew about the shuffling around of troubled priests by church leadership, the sexual abuse against these minors would have most likely not happened.

    As for living in the Bay Area, you can say what you want. I would take someone who is in favor of Roe v. Wade who would fight for protecting our kids from sexual abuse from priests versus someone who opposes Roe vs Wade and by their actions allowed these actions to take place (like the higher ups in the Diocese). This sounds like the New Testament and the differences between Jesus and the Pharisees. Doesn't it Darrell?

    If you read the complaint, the plaintiff is clearly troubled and is lost in life. The lawsuit could be his way of cashing in and becoming a millionaire on a bogus story. Alternatively, it could be the indirect result of abuse that he suffered as a minor that was deleterious to his emotional and mental development. The details of the complaint are very specific, and they are not vague like the Travis Trotter case. Examples of this have already been mentioned in some of my postings and other postings.

    I reiterate again that Kelly's testimony is paramount to this case, and under the presumption of innocence clause he is innocent until proven guilty. His testimony will allow one to see if damages against the plaintiff actually could have occurred or if the lawsuit is bogus get rich scheme. If he truly says that this abuse did not occur, what does he have to hide? He does not even have to come to the US as Finaldi is willing to come to Ireland to record his testimony.


     
  • Steve Golay posted at 10:13 am on Fri, Sep 21, 2012.

    Cadavera Vero Innumera Posts: 43

    Darrell,

    You say the attorney for the "new John Doe" is "coaching" his client to make, to insert in an official summons, certain statements regarding Fr. Kelly's behavior towards (upon) him.

    Your source for this? A gut intuition!! Has someone leaked the transcripts of said coaching sessions? Maybe there are emails, bugged phones, detailing what the Plaintiff should say (in preparation for and during trial).

    Why belabor the point, the fallback position is obvious: we (they) know that to be the case due to the attorney's handling of prior cases. Again, we ask. again, the questions above.

    In the San Andreas case that claim (gut assumption) will really need to be pushed across the waters of the potential jury pool. Why? Because the Plaintiff is going to, under oath, testify, in concise and vivid language the actions of Fr. Kelly upon his body and person - and do so with clear recollection of (in cases like this) recent events.

    If the young man will not be telling the truth under oath, then he (again, under oath) will, inadvertently, be testifying to a conspiracy he and his attorney entered into to lay at Fr. Kelly's feet the most gruesome and despicable of crimes against children.

    It is one or the other. The notion of "coach.coaching" must be used with extraordinary care.

    OK, OK. Maybe there's a middle position. Maybe Manly, Esq., Attorney-at-Law, told his client, John Doe: Let's toss in the word s- - - - - for a bit of color. If it comes under examination we'll jut say, maybe not quite that, it was more like this.

    Words can be tweaked and twisted in all sorts of pretzelly ways. Some times words even fail. Am sure they did for John Doe, as a 12 year-old boy, when a certain person arrived at his home unannounced, with his parents away, walked in and closed the door.

    Words must have failed to describe the deed, to give voice to the dread of what just happened after the door was closed and that perpetrating fellow stole, blackened, and burdened the boy's "cheerful childhood" with his own sins.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:19 am on Fri, Sep 21, 2012.

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    Mr Wilson stated...If you and others who believe he did not do this, he should have no problem testifying.

    Actually, you are characterizing my position in a false light.

    I do not know if father Kelly is guilty or innocent. I do know that justice is taking a beating when anyone can be found guilty with no more evidence than coming from a 34 year old man who claims to be abused at age 8, did not remember anything bad happening until age 27. I cannot imagine anyone not scared to death that they too, someday, might be accused of something that is claimed to have happened 20 years ago.

    So no, if I were Kelly, I would not participate in this until the trotter case was reversed. At that point, my faith in the justice system would motivate me to testify.

    I stated that people in United states should be presumed to be innocent until “PROVEN” guilty. States such as Texas as a supreme court that as concluded that repressed memory cases (like Trotters) cannot go to court as the evidence is considered unreliable. In my view, the Trotter case was nothing more than vigilante justice as repressed memories was the only evidence.

    Therefore, if I were Kelly, my expectation would be I could not possibly get a fair trial in what many people consider a Kangaroo court. That you state Kelly should not have a problem testifying under an environment equivalent to a witch hunt, makes me suspect you as a person concerned with other issues than justice for “ALL”.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:02 am on Fri, Sep 21, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Mr Wilson stated...Yes, the Diocese did breach its duty by not disclosing the results of the psychological evaluation and/or previous actions to parishoners. High ranking church officials ...

    Why did I know you were not from San Joaquin... why are most SNAP officials from the Bay area in California and so vigorously post comments in non bay area cases? Saying you are a practicing Catholic ( in San Francisco) does not mean much. Nancy Pelosi of San Francisco states she is Catholic as well, yet supports legislation such as Row vs Wade.
    ( letting woman legally kill unborn babies) …


    Why are you stating the church Diocese did breach (is this a past legal court decision) it's duty by not disclosing the results of the psychological evaluation ... Is that your opinion? Was that the courts opinion? No matter whose opinion your referring to, the opinion could be wrong. You are stating it as if it is absolute. Are you stating that every organization nationwide who completes an evaluation of its employees that work with the public, must be notified of that test even if they honestly conclude there is no danger to the public? If this is the case, you are motivating organizations to avoid testing as they will be put in a position to be sued by someone.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:42 am on Fri, Sep 21, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Mr Golay stated...Stab at a wild guess here, but I think the query about "who I am" devolves upon that - why I am approaching this issue with the tempered passion of intuition.
    Upon the slightest chance that you are actually independent and not paid to influence the jury pool as is the intent of all SNAP operations ( justice is not a concern with SNAP), let me ask...

    You state you care about the "whole" process - even though it is apparent from your comments where your sympathies lie... that you are going by your gut intuition. Life has taught you to trust it more often than not. ( This is SNAP thinking at the core)
    Exactly what “whole process” are you claiming to care about? Are you referring to justice for both the accuser and accused? Are you talking about the legal system as a whole?
    If that is the case, do you perceive justice was done in the Trotter/Kelly case? If so, why do you not have concerns for the legal system where someone can be held liable in any civil case even where a juror states; even though we were not presented any evidence, we had to do something... that something was 3.7 million. The defendant has no ability to prove he did not do something 25 years ago. If you are concerned with the whole process, why are you inflaming people's emotions and not talking about the lack of evidence?

    Now that Kelly has been found liable in the Trotter case, and people like yourself and SNAP finger point to this guilty verdict... and again, the new John Doe ( anonymous accuser) has the same attorney who coaches his clients to say things that will result in a conviction, why are you not speaking out for this potential injustice? Are you suggesting that a jury can be found that all eleven jurists will have no knowledge of the Trotter case?

     
  • Michael Wilson posted at 8:19 am on Fri, Sep 21, 2012.

    Michael Wilson Posts: 13

    Darrell,
    First, I do not represent any organization and have no connection with Mr Golay. As you have seen in our postings, we agree on some ideas but disagree on others.
    As for me, I am a church going Catholic (every Sunday) and days that are marked by each diocese. I have been a church going Catholic my entire life. I grew up in the Central Valley, but I know work as a manager for a TPA firm in the Bay Area. Hence, my constant reference to the elements of negligence.
    Yes, the Diocese did breach its duty by not disclosing the results of the psychological evaluation and/or previous actions to parishoners. High ranking church officials did similar things (on a larger scale) in the Archdiocese of Philadelphia, and children were abused because of their breach of duty. They are now being held accountable for their actions criminally and in civil cases.
    As I have mentioned before, the client might be looking for a big payday and his account might be apocryphal. A large part of the complaint could be false. But Kelly's testimony is paramount in determining if the other two elements of negligence (damage and causation because of breach of duty) are valid and if the plaintiff is being truthful. If he did not abuse the plaintiff, what does he have to hide?
    If you and others who believe he did not do this, he should have no problem testifying. I bet the testimony offered will dramatically different from the plaintiff and the lack of culpability will become clear.
    I reiterate that there is no good reason why he should not testify as Mr. Finaldi is willing to go to Ireland to get his testimony.


     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 10:30 pm on Thu, Sep 20, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Mr Goay stated...I do not know how to respond to Darrell's question (or demand) to come clean about my part in all this. Baffles me.

    Absurd.

    You are related to SNAP or the attorney who represents the accused in my opinion.
    You are attempting to influence the jury pool. If you are independent from the accuser in all ways, it would make your statements more objective.

    I think you owe the jury pool the truth as to the connection to this case. You are without doubt attempting to increase the size of the award you are hoping the jury gives, in my opinion.

     
  • Steve Golay posted at 6:04 pm on Thu, Sep 20, 2012.

    Cadavera Vero Innumera Posts: 43

    Though it is difficult not to reach some tentative conclusions based on the enumerated complaints, Mr. Wilson is correct, Fr. Kelly is innocent until proven guilty (in this case). But isn't that presumption of innocence given on a case basis? And also, what facts-in-evidence, judgments was Fr,. Kelly held liable for in the earlier case? Though in honoring our judicial system, all sense and every way, it's difficult holding up a clean slate mirror to this case from San Andreas.

    Mr. Wilson and I would agree to disagree regarding Repressed Memory. That is a phenomena is one thing, if and how it should be used in a court of law is another. Our disagreement probably resides in the ebb and flow between those two poles. The False Memory Syndrome Foundation had the mucked the waters on this issue - and its unfortunate the public (the courts?) has taken their statements and publications as credible. Even excluding the PR obsessions of the FMSF, the professional literature on Repressed Memory is extensive.

    I do not know how to respond to Darrell's question (or demand) to come clean about my part in all this. Baffles me. Do I somehow owe him or this forum an expose of my person or intentions. Think he takes me too seriously.

    I wouldn't comment here if I didn't "care" - mostly about justice, and the truth that undergirds it. What else do I need to hang on the line?

    Again, I am associated with no person, no organization, no party. If it needs to be said, I am in the pay of know no one. If any of that should change I will notify this forum immediately - and withdraw.

    If the expectation is that I must somehow divulge where I live, the church I attend, my other unrelated associations. To do so would be, in the least, inappropriate. Think the editor of this page would agree.

    Darrell, you had once called me "intellectual", I am flattered. You had also called me "dangerous", as in polluting the jury pool. Don't see the point, as if those supporting Fr. Kelly are not muddying the same waters. If only I was such a vital clog in anything! I do not flatter myself about any potential effect my commentary would have on anything or anyone.

    But I do care about the "whole" process - even though it is apparent from my comments where my sympathies lie. It is a gut intuition. Life has taught me to trust it more often than not.

    Stab at a wild guess here, but I think the query about "who I am" devolves upon that - why I am approaching this issue with the tempered passion of intuition.

    Upon that DOES hinge a story, but I would never divulge it here. Others can guess as to its narrative, but they would most likely be wrong.

    CLOSING: I do not know know nor have I ever spoken to the Plaintiff (his family, his acquaintances, professionals who ma have interacted with him, or any member of St. Andrews parish); likewise, the same goes for the Plaintiff's attorney (his staff or any investigative agent); I can safely say that, though being catholic, I do not know any of the Defendants either personally or in a pastoral capacity; have only been in their presence from a distance as a participant in an audience; regarding the primary Defendant, Michael Kelly, have never met, let alone seen him - and certainly have never spoken or communicated with him; the same goes for any legal representative of his. That should cover it!

    In short, I, or my opinions, represent no one, except myself.


     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 5:07 pm on Thu, Sep 20, 2012.

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    Mr Wilson and Golay...since you both are helping to lay the foundation for guilt, can you please both identify your connections. Both are providing detailed in fomation and making suggestions that would persuade people to perceive Mr Kelly guilty.

    In fairness, please disclose your affilitations to avoid the appearance of conflict of interest. Both of you never make posts here locally . Both are well spoken and attempt to provide the jury pool with thoughts of guilt even though not one shred of evidence ecists. The other posts either of you have made are in regards to the cases of father Kelly. It appears you both have a conflict of interest.

    I am local and not affiliated with father Kelly in any way. I am here to defend justice as I perceive this man is in the process of being railroaded. I am not religious or go to any church. I do not pray.

    Tell us your story. Why are you here? why is your information one sided. In my opinion, you are attempting to be perceived as reasonable and objective yet one can always draw the conclusion that at the end of the day, by listening to what you have to say...write out the check, the trial need not take place.

    What cities are you from, what is your connection to SNAP or any related entity that has interest in having the accuser win this case. Why are you so anonymous and hide what you are connected to.


     
  • Michael Wilson posted at 2:58 pm on Thu, Sep 20, 2012.

    Michael Wilson Posts: 13

    I agree with Mr. Golay. I think people need to step back and read the complaint that is attached to this article. I mentioned this myself several posts ago.

    If the Diocese is found guilty on the first charge of negligence, it is likely to be found guilty on most if not all of the remaining nine counts

    For an organization or person to be negligent, four factors have to be present. 1) A duty owed to a person or group of people. 2) A breach of that duty. 3) Damages to group or person and 4) Damages caused by the breach of duty.
    Two parts of negligence are clearly present (1 and 2). The remaining two elements will be discovered through the process of the civil trial. Over the course of the trial, we can examine if the plaintiff is speaking with veracity or if this is his easy way of becoming a multi-millionaire.

    It is no secret that I believe that repressed memory is bogus, but after one reads the complaint there is the possibility that the plaintiff is not relying on repressed memory at all. This will be revealed over the course of the civil trial.

    Some details can be easily confirmed. For example, the plaintiff's guardian(s) can testify to if Kelly came over unannounced to their home and how often he came. Also, charges 7-10 in the complaint are fairly graphic. It is hard to imagine someone making up some of that information.

    To see if damages have occurred, we will need Father Kelly to testify. Under the presumption of innocence clause of the US Constitution, he is innocent until found guilty. EVERYONE on this site should remember that.

    His testimony will help to shed light if there was damage done to the plaintiff due to the diocese's breach of duty to warn of Father Kelly's psychological evaluation and past actions or if the civil suit is apocryphal. There is no excuse to why he should not testify. Mr Finaldi is willing to travel to Ireland to get his testimony as part of this trial. Kelly does not have to set foot in the US to tell his side of the story.


     
  • Steve Golay posted at 12:46 pm on Thu, Sep 20, 2012.

    Cadavera Vero Innumera Posts: 43

    Everyone. Time out. Inhale, exhale.

    First, stop talking as if this a criminal case - as yet, it's not; and more, stop degrading the seriousness of teh charges because this will stand before the court as a civil case. Truth is no less served because it is docketed in a civil court.

    Assignment: read the summons for the San Andreas case. Public info here. The Lodi News-Sentinel has linked to it. But open it up at this pdf file link:

    http://www.news10.net/assetpool/documents/120911070932_sktn-diocese-civil-complaint-091112.pdf

    As expected most of the 40 odd pages address the defendants, but the pertinent pages that list the alleged charges can be found on 12-14 of the
    printable pdf pages.

    Wouldn't, and no need to "paste & copy" the information - to graphic. But it needs to be read by any who is going to comment on the preparation and this civil suit

    Since the charges are public - and accessible by linkage through this publication - it is proper to make observations on them. Darrell, I fail to see the "danger" in that!

    What comes to my mind? Besides the common behavior of such predators to prepare and "groom" a prospective victim (and, yes, the victim's "community"), it is the blatant confidence Fr. Kelly had in gaining access to the boy. Where did that come from - based on the testimony of the first trial, practiced experience? The ease of it underlies even a causal reading of the charges - if there can be such a thing. A confidence that encouraged Fr. Kelly to go as far as he did, up to . . . By doing the deed - as numerated by the charges - the assault laid down triggers in the boy that permitted Fr. Kelly to control (so he thought) the boy's subjection and the fallout, the consequences of his behavior.

    This is not baseless "intellectualism", as Darrell would put it, it is a careful reading of the public documents.

    Something very serious is happening here. The boy (the young man) will be testifying in court of some gross and violent behaviors of Fr. Kelly. The kid is lying or he is telling the truth.

    READ THE SUMMONS, FOLKS.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:35 am on Thu, Sep 20, 2012.

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    Mr Golay stated...There are only three optional readings of what happened in San Andreas:
    1. The young man is lying. He has, for whatever malicious and malevolent reasons, fabricated the incident(s) and the narrative spun around them.


    This is another deception practiced by those who want a guilty verdict. They frame the case in a way where limited options are considered. This man is leading people to stop thinking past the framework he describes... I think this is insidious.

    Please listen to the reasonable request Erika Robinson makes... she is asking to consider giving justice a chance by keeping objectivity and truth a chance to uncover itself .

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:07 am on Thu, Sep 20, 2012.

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    I have chosen to accept number three. Assume that most of Fr. Kelly’s friends have settled for number 2.

    In other words Mr Golay... you are an emotional man of faith that will take the word of someone who is seeking millions of dollars. I am not a man of faith nor practice any religion. For example, based on the content of your post, I cannot imagine you are being truthful. You substantiate your position from websites SNAP uses frequently... Since I go by evident and proof, I do not accept your word just as I do not accept the word of the accuser. If real evidence is preseted, that is a different story. But please, spare me the faith based justice you are inflicting upon the reader. This is a legal case in a court of law, not a seminar of what peope feel and perceive.

    I do not know father Kelly and do not care to meet him. I am a friend to justice... this is not justice.

     
  • Steve Golay posted at 7:03 pm on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

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    Darrell,

    Me, a SNAP official!! Please. Don’t know those folks. Never seen them; never talked to them. Never wish to. For the umpteenth time: No, I am not. If you only knew my reason for entering into this muck and mire!

    Though, I do grant you this: to be falsely accused is a miserable, crippling – and, yes immoral thing. Whatever diminishes and thwarts the Image of God in another is a reprehensible thing – like hooded dread knocking on the door of 12 year olds. If I should reread my “Inferno” am sure Dante has circled a fiery habitat for such folks.

    In addressing this issue, the inestimable Michael Novak recently wrote a too-the-point piece on The Catholic Thing, “A Different Priestly Scandal”: http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2012/a-different-priestly-scandal.html

    But regarding Fr. Michael Kelly, I had bracket any judgment during the earlier case. It didn’t perk my interest. Didn’t have the time for it, mostly. Also, heard little about it among local parishioners. We Catholics are an odd bunch at times; here this big story ripples through the larger community, and, darn, if anyone’s going to talk about it.

    But once the story moved to San Andreas, things changed. My interest perked up for a reason.

    That, and the few public statements made by the victim, has kept my interest on a low boil. Those statements of his have, as they say, truth’s ring about them. (OK, made through his attorney via an official report, but still.) In addition, there is the victim’s age and the fact that, contrary to how these things tend to go, the small gap between the incident(s) and its reporting. That is significant.

    Along with others, the handling of the earlier case raised questions. (No need here to review that here.) But any hesitancy on my part to accept the judgment of the prior case began to fade as that story is now being sieved through the pending San Andreas case. That, along with the material posted on Fr. Kelly on the site Bishop Accountability, has made everything that happened prior to San Andreas more believable.

    Link for the material on Bishop Accountability: http://www.bishopaccountability.org/assign/Kelly_Michael_E.htm

    There is too much there to be shrugged at, swept under rug. Reviewing this record, along with the testimony of the first trial, this does not rise to the story that Michael Novak told in his article, above. Can’t avoid the dot connecting; one must consider the posted material. How does one account for those other incidents? That these incidents were not “officially reported” is immaterial in reaching an informed opinion. Regarding Fr. Kelly’s contact with children/youth, parents had to all these years.

    An informed opinion, especially if one must make decisions regarding one’s children, is the not the same as establishing the standing of a particular incident report in criminal court. Besides, to date, that is not we are dealing with here in San Andreas. What’s before us is a civil case. So, until that standing is announced, one way or the other, in this thread we should not be using the protocols of criminal court in discussing this case. Or, in adjudicating it, when the time comes.

    What will be forthcoming is the testimony of a young man describing Fr. Kelly’s contact and conduct with him when he was 10, 11, 12 years-old. The story of what happened when the man came knocking when his parents were away.

    Have you ever opened up a door to that story when you were 12?

    There are only three optional readings of what happened in San Andreas:

    1. The young man is lying. He has, for whatever malicious and malevolent reasons, fabricated the incident(s) and the narrative spun around them.

    2. Something, some event(s) did happened surrounding Fr. Kelly, but the young man has misinterpreted it (them). A misinformed perception abetted by his legal counsel, the significance of which has now been exaggerated. (The motive I leave to you!)

    3. Or, the young man is telling the truth. A truth whose memory has not been repressed but simply unvoiced. Until now.

    I have chosen to accept number three. Assume that most of Fr. Kelly’s friends have settled for number 2.

    SIDE NOTE: The Union Democrat (Sonora) in its reporting of this latest case, and Fr. Kelly’s claim of innocence, raised, maybe unbeknownst to the writer, some interesting questions. On that, later, maybe.

    And Darrell, what’s all this about “DNA and witnesses”? Or, am I misreading you?

    Assuming you’re referring to the earlier case, the concern is pointless. Regarding DNA, what 10-12 year-old boy has the state of mind, after claimed “episode”, to run to the kitchen for a plastic sandwich bag to deposit samples of – I’m being extraordinarily reserved here – the perpetrator’s bodily fluid and hair?

    Regarding witnesses, why would there be any when the perpetrator would arrange things so there wouldn’t be. They are clever folks! But there can be witnesses of sorts, especially if there was any conspiracy involved or the perpetrator discussed his actions before or after the event. So the notion that there is no case because there is no DNA or witnesses falls – as it should – flat.

    “Not all memory is repressed, just voiceless.”

     
  • Arabella Clark posted at 6:01 pm on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

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    http://www.uniondemocrat.com/News/Local-News/Ex-priest-says-hes-innocent

    Vince Finaldi, the attorney for the newest victim states this is NOT A CASE OF REPRESSED MEMORY.

     
  • Arabella Clark posted at 6:00 pm on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

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    Eleven year old boys NEVER save DNA from a rape. Get real. You might want to go educate yourself by doing research on pedophile priest rape cases of children. Never has there been a case where a boy has saved DNA. And do you think a priest is going to rape a boy when a witness is around?

    Thousands of priests have been convicted without a stained shirt or DNA. You've been watching too much CSI.

     
  • Arabella Clark posted at 5:50 pm on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

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    Go read the Union Democrat story out yesterday. The attorney Vince Finaldi says that the new victim who has filed a suit NEVER repressed his memories, never forgot what happened to him. He's only 24.. And you people who are commenting don't know anything about him.

    God help you if any of your children are molested.

     
  • Arabella Clark posted at 5:48 pm on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

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    The New York Times won't accept "email" comments from interview subjects. The person either has to speak to them on the phone or in person or they won't print the comments.

    This paper shouldn't either.

    Either Kelly gets on the phone and speaks to a reporter and answers questions or the paper shouldn't post comments from a person who fled the US and is hiding behind email.
    And if Kelly really wanted to proclaim his innocence, he should come back to the US and face the reporters.

     
  • Arabella Clark posted at 2:31 pm on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

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    As stated, I know criminal cases that have taken over two years.

     
  • Arabella Clark posted at 2:31 pm on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

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    Also wondering why no one here ever talks about the fact that the psychologist warned the Church that Kelly should never be alone with or work with children because of his pedophile tendencies.

    I also know that a lot of his defenders from the spring now believe he is guilty.

     
  • Arabella Clark posted at 2:29 pm on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

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    What's your motive? Your posts are un-Christian and unempathic.

    Why do you fail to see that many new victims have come forward?

    What's your motive for your hatred?

     
  • Arabella Clark posted at 2:27 pm on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

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    Um, you are aware that some of the victims who have gone to the police are much younger and NEVER forgot what happened to them. No case of repressed memory.

    Stop attacking the victims and go read the New Yorker article:

    http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/atlarge/2012/09/24/120924crat_atlarge_gladwell?currentPage=1

    Funny how people are avoiding the fact that there is a CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION going on and that Kelly's MO is a carbon copy of all the other priests who have been busted in this country and Europe.

     
  • Arabella Clark posted at 2:25 pm on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

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    The same can be said of you. I can vouch that Mr. Reynard is indeed a victim.

     
  • Arabella Clark posted at 2:24 pm on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

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    The New Yorker has an excellent article by renowned writer Malcolm Gladwell about why pedophiles like priests; Jerry Sandusky; doctors; teachers and others get away with it.

    Answer: because they groom the community first.

    The article describes how pedophiles ALWAYS have a reputation for being physical with kids in the community. It always starts out with tickling, then wrestling and goes from there. That's what Kelly did.

    http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/atlarge/2012/09/24/120924crat_atlarge_gladwell?currentPage=1

    Kelly groomed the community when he arrived from Ireland. He invited himself over to one family's house at least 500 times. He never missed a swimming pool party if there were going to be young boys there... As I recall, he was banned from attending any swimming meets because he was hanging around the little boys in their Speedos, and ogling them. After parents complained, he was banned from coming to the meets.

    It's alarming how much of Kelly's behavior is just like all of the other pedophiles in the New Yorker article.

    Remember: Jerry Sandusky started with tickling, then wrestling and then "tested" his victims to see if he could go further. If the boy told his mother, then he wouldn't bother the kid anymore.

    The New Yorker is a piece of chilling and devastating work and must be read.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:07 pm on Tue, Sep 18, 2012.

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    Mr Golay... you are a SNAP official... right? You are manipulating people to dismiss evidence and focus on emotions. That is SNAP strategy and technique... Are you shooting for jury nullification like the Trotter case? Ignoring the fact that no evidence exists is the goal.Right?

    Give people evidence... physical evidence,DNA, a stained shirt, a witness, a hair
    anything with substance... you to me are dangerous as you attempt to sound objective, calm, compassionate and concerned for the welfare of others...
    it is like you are conditioning the jury pool to find this priest guilty even if no evidence is found... that is what happened in the Trotter case, and you are attempting to do the same here.

    Evidence is not what a wealthy attorney or accuser claims happened. Evidence is independent of the accusation that substantiates the claims of the accuser.
    Saying the accuser would not lie, that he couldn't possibly make up a story and be coached by his sharp wealthy attorney is absurd. Millions of dollars as the reward is a motive to lie. There needs to be evidence to believe what is said is real.

     
  • Steve Golay posted at 5:40 pm on Tue, Sep 18, 2012.

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    You all did,now I do - Repressed Memory is not going to to an issue in this San Andreas case. Which will make for different approaches during trial - and on discussion boards such as this.

    A 10-12/24 year old woke up one morning and decided to lie - of course, for the millions - or the boy is telling the truth.

    No one needs to convince me that Fr. Kelly was a great this and a wonderful that. He may have well have been - in those situations, with those families. That is not the issue here. The point is that one like Fr. Kelly found a 10-12 year old boy in San Andreas, CA, vulnerable and accessible. One like Fr. Kelly would not need a truck load of vulnerable and accessible boys, just this one (or two). Others like Fr. Kelly would need a truck load. The point being that the good Fr. Kelly did for this family or that one is not a defense.

    It raises a whole packet of questions, doesn't it? How would one like Fr. Kelly find a particular 10-12 year-old boy vulnerable and accessible? One thing I can guarantee you: this particular victim has asked that question over and over to himself - why me?

    If you're reading this - yes, why you? It is you having to live with the BIG LIE and the BIG SHAME. A dime here, a million there, can never cash out the dread of that.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 3:20 pm on Tue, Sep 18, 2012.

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    Michael stated..However, the complaint also points out some pretty disturbing information...

    The complain was made by an attorney( hoping to gain millions more) that represents the accuser ( hoping to profit by millions)... I would be shocked if the complaint did not attempt to paint a picture that is disturbing. Considering , like the Trotter case, there is not one bit of evidence to support the law suit, their only possibility to profit the riches they seek is to pull at the heart strings and convince people the "story" has merit.

    No evidence, DNA or witnesses will be produced because it did not happen. In the Trotter case, the Jury inexplicable believed Kelly's tickling behavior was evidence even though the tickling was done with the parents in the same room watching. One of the jury members after the trial admitted there was no evidence presented to them, but because of the complains, they had to assume or guess something probably happened.

    I'm sorry, if all trials are determined by feelings instead of evidence, our legal system is finished and justice a fairy tail.

    If actual evidence does appear, that is a different story. This is a scary witch hunt in my opinion.

     
  • Michael Wilson posted at 9:26 am on Tue, Sep 18, 2012.

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    Darrell,
    There are clearly shades of grey present, and we will wait to see how events unfold before we see a clearer picture of what most likely happened.
    I advise that both sides read the complaint filed by Mr. Finaldi in San Joaquin Superior Court (attached in this article). This could be an attempt at another money grab after the Travis Trotter incident as the complaint states Kelly is to blame for his client's state in life. With the bad economic situation, this might be a simple attempt at grabbing the Diocese's coffers. After all, the Travis Trotter case set the bar so low that I believe other public entities with deep pockets would be sued now or in the near future.
    However, the complaint also points out some pretty disturbing information. In the complaint, it details how Fr Kelly would show up unannounced at the plaintiff's house (when the boy's guardian(s) were or were not present). Moreover, it states that Kelly would invite himself into the boy's bedroom when he came to the house unannounced (when his guardian(s) were not present0. As a father to a nine year old daughter, I find this extremely disturbing to find a older person to invite themselves into the sanctity of her bedroom when I or her mother was not present in the house. This could paint a picture that is much stronger than repressed memory that was the cornerstone of the Trotter case.
    In the complaint, the largest claim is based on negligence. Two elements of negligence are clearly present. First, the diocese of Stockton had an obligation to protect its parishoners (especially minors) and provide a supportive and safe environment for them. It clearly breached this duty when it did not disclose to the people of his parish in St Andreas the results of his psychological study and/or his previous actions. The two questions to be answered was whether any damages occurred and were they due to the diocese's breach of duty.
    For me, the situation currently is like the movie Doubt. One is left confused to whether abuse did or did not take place. Kelly's testimony is paramount in determing if there were damages done to the plaintiff, and if they were caused by the breach of duty by the Diocese of Stockton.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:53 pm on Mon, Sep 17, 2012.

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    Lastly Mr golay... I think your stategy aswell as SNAPS is unethical and a threat to justice.

    Bruce Reynard posted at 10:32 am on Thu, Sep 13, 2012... But it IS of critical importance that the people who continue to shelter this kind of evil get the message that their behavior won't be tolerated. If their wallet is the only legal tool you have to hit them, then you should make no bones about HITTING THEM HARD.
    When the support networks that child molesters rely upon are gone, they will be dealt with swiftly.

    This was specifically aimed at anyone who believes father Kelly is innocent. They are saying watch out...your next. That is why in the Trotter case people who spoke out were labeled as people who approved of Pedophile’s and as evil people.

    SNAP and you is attempting to isolate, divide and conquer no matter the priest innocent or guilty. You use intimidation and threats wanting to create fear . It’s no better that a National Geographic film where the lions attempt to isolate an animal from its heard so they can kill its defenseless prey.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:30 pm on Mon, Sep 17, 2012.

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    Mr Golay stated...So, there you are Darrell. Still, I’ll bet the farm and my winter coat that the young man is telling the truth.

    You evidently are attempting to appeal to an audience that makes decisions by "faith" ... It takes "faith" to believe someone is telling the truth despite no evidence, no DNA, no witnesses, nothing except a man who tells a story and if successful will be a multimillionaire.

    Me, I am not a man of faith. I make decisions based on evidence, proof, facts, DNA, witnesses, and history. In this case and Trotters case... not a shred of evidence.
    Repressed memories are for people who believe in the tooth fairy. I cannot believe a person who thinks and is objective could possibly consider this case seriously. Thankfully, there are states that throw out repressed memory cases simply because it would be absurd to entertain this kind of case in an objective court of law.


     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:15 pm on Mon, Sep 17, 2012.

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    Mr Golay stated...I carry no water for SNAP...

    I disagree. It is simply the good cop/bad cop story. Most SNAP members play the vicious angry roll while Mr Golay the intellectual reasonable roll.

    However, you both are doing the same thing; attempting to taint the jury pool with preconditioned thought that the accuser is a victim that should be paid millions of dollars. You are both painting theexact same picture. This case is all about the money. Trotter paved the road with his coached testimony by a polished oily haired lawyer who knows exactly how to get a jury to vote with their emotions instead of their brain.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:07 pm on Mon, Sep 17, 2012.

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    Mr Golay stated...You take Fr. Kelly as touching upon the truth - I take the boy, now a young man, as giving voice to it..."Not all voiceless memory is repressed, just not spoken."

    and also stated...But in this case (for reasons the victim is willing to place on record) the victim associates the arrival of Fr. Kelly with panic...

    Mr. Golay again assumes that with absolute certainty, the case is already decided and father Kelly guilty... notice he referred to father Kelly as “the defendant”. He then should have called the person bringing the civil law suit as “the accuser".... he did not. He decided to call the accuser a victim. That conditions the reader to believe the molestation did indeed happen since he is already classified as a victim before the trial even begins.
    In addition, Mr. Golay does not address the fact that the accuser has the advantage of anonymous status and has millions of reasons $$$$$ to play the role of victim. After one year of investigation, the police still have no evidence; this alone should raise a red flag that skepticism is in order. The attorney representing the accuser has won over a billon… follow the money and the answers may become visible.

     
  • Steve Golay posted at 10:29 am on Mon, Sep 17, 2012.

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    Part 3 of 3

    Now to your remark, Darrell:

    "Walking through any door" was used a figure of speech; it distinctly describes the defendant's action /motivation in arriving at the victim's home when his parents were absent. An act, in itself , that is not uncommon for a minister exercising his duty of visiting his flock – nothing unduly suspicious about that.

    But in this case (for reasons the victim is willing to place on record) the victim associates the arrival of Fr. Kelly with panic, dread and future diminishment of his life (thoughts of suicide, inability to find employment, and such).

    What has so far been released is not the deposition of the case, nor a trial’s transcript – the details are forthcoming – but the heart of the case settles on this: what, under any standard a common accepted practice, the visitation of a priest to a member of his parish, for this 12-year old boy turned into an episode of dread and fear – of his very self, including his future as a young man, held in bondage to that dread when the priest came knocking.

    Yes, Fr. Kelly is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law - so and so, and such and such. And yes, there is a distinction between "fact but not in evidence” and “facts”, those confirmed by various means even if the court will not admit them.

    But it can also be admitted that the courts are not the final adjudicator of what constitutes "fact" (that is the "truth"), only what is admissible under its set of PREDETERMINED rules and procedures. There is constitutional protection under that - for all of us - but we as men and women (under God and his Natural Law) are bound to the truth - which no court of law is the final adjudicator of!

    You take Fr. Kelly as touching upon the truth - I take the boy, now a young man, as giving voice to it.

    "Not all voiceless memory is repressed, just not spoken."

     
  • Steve Golay posted at 10:27 am on Mon, Sep 17, 2012.

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    PART 2 of 3:

    Again, I ask the question. Is Repressed Memory (Recovered) an issue in this case as it was in the earlier one. Will Manly, Esq., Attorney-at-Law, be using that to establish “facts submitted as evidence”?

    The discussion on this thread devolves around that. And it is not over-speculation to discuss the implications if it is going to be used or not. If the young man is coming forward with distinct recall of the events, and of Fr. Kelly’s words and demeanor, this may be quite devastating to the defendant and the diocese (with a backwards confirmation of the earlier case). But if Repressed Memory (Recovered) will be one of Manly’s tools to pry this case open, I plead, once more, not to dismiss the phenomenon of Repressed Memory so casually and cavalierly.

    Review the material at Dr. Ellen Lacter’s site: "False Memory Debate" from End Ritual Abuse: http://endritualabuse.org/activism/the-false-memory-debate/

    As you will note, Dr. Lacter's work specializes in Satanic Ritual Abuse (SRA), but her conclusions and approach are applicable to any species of sexual assault.

    Review her material along with the other source I posted earlier from S.M.A.R.T Ritual Abuse. All sexual assault is, to a degree, ritualized because it programs the victim to respond in certain ways: lays down triggers of fear and shame in the victim’s psyche, The goal of such triggering is quite apparent, to burden the victim with the guilt of the assault.

     
  • Steve Golay posted at 10:25 am on Mon, Sep 17, 2012.

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    PART 1 of 3:

    One more time: I carry no water for SNAP! But that does not prevent me from being a hound snapping at the heels of that (those) who seek to enslave children (and the vulnerable) to their perversity. See the article below on SNAP – it details. The other one is a clarion call for what the diocese (the Church) should have done decades ago, the expulsion from the clergy of men who same-sex attraction. So you see, Darrell, I am quite in your camp. But . . .

    Due to tested insight, honed by experience, I must go with my gut; I find the 12/24 year old victim’s claim credible, even though that intuition is based on the minimal public statements so far published.

    But it is a gut intuition that is tempered by a realistic knowing of what a court of law can accomplish, especially in a criminal case which, up to this point, is not the issue here. And being so tempered can be a heartache, for even with absolute knowledge that certain events occurred (and, even more, knowing with absolute certainty that those events resulted in harm and degradation) the law may still come down with a no show – there’s not enough for the light to turn bright green. When that is the case one must live holding the absolute knowledge that the law can do nothing about – hold it in truth and, at day’s end, with some charity.
    So, there you are Darrell. Still, I’ll bet the farm and my winter coat that the young man is telling the truth.

    SNAP: Support for Abuse Victims or Anti-Catholic Politicking? By By David F. Pierre, Jr. (Catholic World Review)

    Clergy Sexual Abuse: The Unaddressed Question of Same-Sex Attraction, byy Fr. Regis Scanlon (Crisis Magazine)

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:01 pm on Fri, Sep 14, 2012.

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    Mr Golay stated...I ask once more - what gave Fr. Kelly the confidence to walk through that door.

    Is this a documented fact that he walked through that door. Is this a claim by the accuser or is there a video of father Kelly walking through that door.

    Mr Golay makes this statement as if there is absolute proof he did as claimed... Can you please clarify.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 7:53 pm on Fri, Sep 14, 2012.

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    Mr Golay stated...- since you just stated that you just stated that you handle this issue one case at a time.

    Unfortunately, this case reminds me of the Clarence Thomas confirmation process where Clarance Thomas stated he believed he was subjected to an electronic media lynching...

    In my view, the Trotter case was inappropriate and should never have gone to court. I cannot help but think this new case would not be filed had the Trotter case been dismissed because of lack of evidence.

    If evidence presents itself independent and unrelated that substantiates that Kelly did something wrong, then of course a trial should be done. So far, there is no evidence that Kelly is guilty of anything.

    Unfortunately, many have already passed judgement and think a trial is not needed... that he is guilty simply because he has been accused.
    This is no better than vigilante justice.

    As far as SNAP... I disagree... they need to be labeled a vigilante organization that has no ethics. They are harming justice.

     
  • Michael Wilson posted at 1:45 pm on Fri, Sep 14, 2012.

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    Mr Golay,
    I state again that is why I say that Kelly must testify in this case. It is clear that the defendant's view of events and his are at odds.
    There are four elements of negligence that is the key component of Mr Finaldi's complaint. 1) Duty 2) Breach of that Duty 3) Damages 4)Damages due to the breach of duty
    It seems that the Diocese of Stockton had a duty to establish a safe and secure environment for all people and take extra precautions for areas of risk that might cause a chance of loss. It breached that duty when it did not talk about or disclose to people of the parish the results of Kelly's pschological study.
    The third and fourth parts are unclear. Kelly has to testify and heard as whether he (and/or the Diocese) were responsible for the damage and it was directly due to the diocese's omission to warn of Kelly's mental state.
    Kelly should give a full account of testimony of these events.


     
  • Steve Golay posted at 12:34 pm on Fri, Sep 14, 2012.

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    There was a space in the link. http://ritualabuse.us/research/

    If it doesn't come up goggle S.M.A.R.T. Ritual Abuse. Also goggle End Ritual Abuse for more.

    Who ever said Recovered Memory alone is enough? And yes , the recovery of it must be handled properly. Still that combined with the associate condition Disassociate Identity Disorder (DID) remains a powerful tool in the healing process - and, if presented carefully, in the courts.

    Why is so much energy expended in dismissing it? Maybe because it provides a window for the past to pull the curtain.

    Again, is repressed memory being claimed in this Calaveras County case? If not, if the young man has a firm and detailed memory to present in court a goose my be cooked.

    Remember, an unvoiced memory does not equal a repressed memory.

    Question abound: Why was the at priest in the boy's bedroom. What circumstances (in the boy's life) gave Kelly confidence he had access to walk through that bedroom door?

    Responding to only one item highlighted in the article. Who knows what is in victim's report or any deposition.

    While I'm here, you folks who say that Kelly could not have done what he is accused of because he never did it to my sons (well, that's basically what you're saying) is the weakest of all defenses for the man. Did Fr. Kelly ever walk through the door of your son's bedroom - and shut the door. It only shows that you raised your family with affection surrounded with firm and proper boundaries - and a good dose of godliness. A Fr. Kelly wouldn't even think of crossing those boundaries. Your sons would not have the look, let alone the fact, of being vulnerable and accessible. But that truth about your own family does not translate into innocence for Fr. Kelly.

    Why do I have this sinking feeling that a certain ugliness is drawing near - as if the shade of Charles Ng is being stirred once moreover Calaveras County.

    I ask once more - what gave Fr. Kelly the confidence to walk through that door? That is what has been mulling the mind and gnawing the heart of that young man all these years. Doubt if it had anything to do with dollar signs ringing in the eyes Manly, Esq, Attorney-at-Law.

     
  • Michael Wilson posted at 8:48 am on Fri, Sep 14, 2012.

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    Mr Golay,
    The link that you sent does not pull up. From which academic journal is this from? Have any medical doctors signed on to this theory (psychiatrists, neurologists, etc)?
    Yes, I do have a problem with repressed memory. I stated the Trotter case for example as there were so many inconsistencies in his statements. He contradicted himself on more than one occassion.
    I agree with you that we do not know if repressed memory is part of the trial. If the young man has clear vision and examples (as you stated), they should be noted in the record. I also reiterate that Kelly's testimony is of upmost importance in this case. Two elements of negligence are clear with the Diocese. Kelly's testimony is vital to seeing if the other elements were present and if the Diocese was truly negligent. Kelly should make himself available here or in Ireland for testimony. His failure not to testify would be liking giving the bird to his former boss (Bishop Blaire) and many people who have supported him.

     
  • Steve Golay posted at 8:38 am on Fri, Sep 14, 2012.

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    Darrell, you're fighting SNAP too much and, therefore, battling in a very small sandbox. You (and all here) should stick with the particulars of the case - since you just stated that you just stated that you handle this issue one case at a time.

    Let us see first if Repressed Memory is even an issue in this latest case against Kelly/ Go from there.

    It is a fact that one (a victim) can manage memories of sexual assault by storing them in (what shall we call it) an altered self. or state. Kept there in full knowledge but rarely or gingerly accessed. That is memory 'untainted" by the techniques of recovery - if such really are.

    Any priest who takes his ministry of the confession seriously knows the place altered self/states can have in a person's life, especially when the notion of guilt is confusing and difficult to square with actions the penitent was involved in (as is always the case with sexual assault).

    Question; Who is behind, who supports the False Memory Syndrome Foundation?

     
  • Steve Golay posted at 8:19 am on Fri, Sep 14, 2012.

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    Update to earlier post: Here's link to that page on S.M.A.R.T: http://ritualabuse.us /research/

    The concept of Recovered memory is not to be dismissed out of hand. And, of course, in a court of law it must be augmented by other evidence and presentations. But, new to this ordeal over Fr. Kelly as I am (and browsing Darrell's posts especially) there is a tendency to mock both the "syndrome' of repressed memory (which, in itself, is not a negative word) and the techniques used to recover it. Inform yourself, read the posted information under the above link. One could even make the case that the Church has practiced, in its spiritual and healing ministry, the recovery of memory since day one.

    We do not know (or do we?) that Repressed Memory is even part of this most recent case. If the young man has clear recollection of the events, of Kelly's demeanor, remarks, AND INSTRUCTIONS, it is going to be very difficult for Kelly (or the Diocese) to wiggle out from under. Seems that the characteristics of this case is elevated above the earlier one.

    Also, do not be surprised that the Calaveras County is taking its time with this investigation. That is not a sign of weakness of the evidence they have gathered to this point. Only of incompleteness - maybe even with the testimony of the victim. Would not be surprised if they feel that the victim is , not repressing, but withholding certain details he is presently reluctant to release for reasons which make no sense to us but is quite personal to him.

     
  • Michael Wilson posted at 5:58 am on Fri, Sep 14, 2012.

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    Repressed memory is a bogus theory. Yes, I know people do not like to hear Alex Bodkin MD, but I will mention his paper. While people say that he is bizarre, let us look that his research was published in the LEADING psychiatric journal in the world. Moreover, if you have a problem with him, take it to Harvard Medical School. He is a tenured professor, and the last time I checked Harvard had a pretty good medical school. Apparently, the faculty and administration at Harvard like his work.

    If you pull him off the expert list, there are eight other academic psychiatrists who would testify to the validity of his theories. They signed as co-authors to his article. I would doubt that you would find eight psychiatrists (not psychologists) who would debunk this theory and have published in academic journals to prove it.

    The problem with repressed memory is that it gives one the ability to pick and choose certain experiences without regard to accuracy. While the account does not have to be 100% accurate, there were so many inconsistencies in the Trotter case it was laughable. For example, in the original suit, Trotter claimed to be abused when he was seven. He was living in Tracy at that time, and Kelly was in Stockton. Then, he recalls that it was between 10-12. Moreover, he remembers being called to the rectory, but he does not know if there is a back entrance or not. He was graphic in many incidents, but he cannot remember certain details. For example, the hiking trail and certain hotels where Kelly took him. In addition, he could not recall any distinguishing body feature of Kelly. For someone that supposedly saw Kelly without clothes on multiple times I find this hard to believe. Trotter's testimony had more holes in it than a block of swiss cheese!

    I hope there is stronger evidence than repressed memory in this lawsuit. I am clearly upset that Trotter took SNAP and other child abuse support groups for a ride. The man is a fraud, and one only needs to look at his linkedin profile to prove this. The $3.75 million made his repressed memories go away quickly, and I am glad that he is flying again. Since Trotter is working and has a good paying salary, I hope that he can donate some or all of this settlement to a worthy charity. I am not holding my breath that he will.

    If there is stronger evidence than repressed memory, it is in the best interest of the Diocese to settle. Finaldi and Manly are both better attorneys than their counterparts in the 2nd lawsuit. In addition, two of the four elements of negligence are clearly present by the Diocese of Stockton. The other two will be determined by evidence and testimony. Kelly's testimony is paramount to this lawsuit, and I hope that he testifies in this case. There is no excuse for him not to as Mr Finaldi as said he would go to Ireland if needed for Kelly's testimony. His testimony is vital to see if the other two elements of negligence are present.


     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:06 pm on Thu, Sep 13, 2012.

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    Mr Reynard stated...I'm also pretty well experienced with the bizarre behavior of those who publicly support child molesters.

    I have never had the experience and will never support any man or woman who I think has molested anyone of any age. For example, Oliver O'Grady was convicted and should never see the light of day. He was monsterous in my opinion. I would never support that man.

    I take one case at a time and do not assume that all priests accused are guilty.
    SNAP on the other hand is monsterous in helping to convict innocent people.


     
  • Bruce Reynard posted at 6:16 pm on Thu, Sep 13, 2012.

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    Duh Darrell... Yes. It's true that I've never hidden the fact that I have expert, first hand experience with what it's like to be a victim of child sex crimes. I'm also pretty well experienced with the bizarre behavior of those who publicly support child molesters.

    Thank God we have YOUR non-biased opinions to guide us, right Darrell?

     
  • Dave Pierre posted at 5:36 pm on Thu, Sep 13, 2012.

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    The primary accuser of Fr. MacRae has ADMITTED that he made up the claims against the priest to extort $$ from the Church:

    http://www.themediareport.com/2012/02/20/new-evidence-may-exonerate-priest-gordon-j-macrae/

    Neil Allen continues his lies.

     
  • Dave Pierre posted at 5:35 pm on Thu, Sep 13, 2012.

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    Neil Allen KNOWS what he is publishing is 100% false and defamatory, yet he continues to insist on printing falsehoods.

    1. I do NOT defend wrongdoing whatsoever.

    2. The primary accuser of Fr. MacRae has ADMITTED that he made up the claims against the priest to extort $$ from the Church:

    http://www.themediareport.com/2012/02/20/new-evidence-may-exonerate-priest-gordon-j-macrae/

    Yet Neil Allen continues his lies.

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  • Dave Pierre posted at 5:31 pm on Thu, Sep 13, 2012.

    DPierre3 Posts: 3

    The so-called "research" on "repressed memory" was recently rejected by the Minnesota Supreme Court because it is obviously bogus:
    http://www.themediareport.com/2012/07/31/minn-supreme-court-rejects-repressed-memory/

    And for more research debunking "repressed memory," see:
    http://www.themediareport.com/hot-topics/repressed-memory-debunked/

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  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 4:41 pm on Thu, Sep 13, 2012.

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    Mr Wilson stated...SNAP and other groups were manipulated by Travis Trotter the great!

    It does not take much effort for anyone to manipulate members of SNAP... they do not care if a priest is innocent or guilty. If they can take money out of the hands of the Catholic Church, the ends justifies the means.

    Thank you Mr Wilson for bringing truth and reality to this situation.

     
  • Steve Golay posted at 4:31 pm on Thu, Sep 13, 2012.

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    I'll post this as often as I need to. There's is excellent research to support Recovered Memory,and how it has been falsely abused 9to coin a word!) by the False Memory Foundation (question: which has who supporting it?). For a sampling go to site for S.M.A.R.T. Ritual Abuse (goggle it, you'll find it). Click under "Related Research".

    This current case is a more serious one.

     
  • Michael Wilson posted at 4:14 pm on Thu, Sep 13, 2012.

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    Wow. Manly is back in town! I hope that he would have used some of that money for a gastric bypass as he was getting extremely corpulent. But I guess I was wrong.

    With Travis Trotter setting the bar so low that repressed memories can win you money, it is no wonder that others are lining up for the diocese's coffers. While Mr Manly and Mr Finaldi are entitled to earn a living, they have earned quite a large sum of money that they could afford to take on a pro bono case. With no substantial evidence gained so far (and likely to come in the future), there only route is through civil litigation (and another meal ticket!)

    I am sure that the acting coach (Manly) will prepare his client the same way he did Travis Trotter so he can get some shiny new items for his Newport Beach house. I am sure that with all the $$ promised by Manly his client is learning the script as we speak. But I do not think that anyone will beat the Oscar performance of Travis Trotter!

    While many proponents of Mr Trotter were calling him a hero, I can say that he took the Diocese of Stockton for a ride, and he is a fraud!
    Shortly after he had his share of the $3.75 million, he was off disability and flying again for Southwest Airlines! His repressed memories faded pretty quickly, and I am glad to know that he is back in the friendly skies!. In addition, despite all of the trauma of the trial and abuse, he still managed to complete a Master's Degree at Golden Gate University (funded by the Diocese of Stockton and disability)! How is one that is disabled and not able to work complete a Master's program?
    Moreover, the psychiatrist that testified in his defense (Dr. Ko) said that he was an alcoholic due to sexual abuse. Funny, Travis Trotter claims "food and wine"as an interest. I do not know many alcoholics who claim to have "wine" as an interest.

    If you do not believe me, go to linkedin.com, and pull up Travis Trotter's profile. EVERYTHING I said above is correct. SNAP and other groups were manipulated by Travis Trotter the great!


    I guess Manly and company are looking for their next big payday. With repressed memories being the threshold for a large sum of money, there will be many others looking for a payout. I can't blame them. It is easier than playing the lottery!!

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 3:18 pm on Thu, Sep 13, 2012.

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    Mr Reynard.. did you not post online in Modesto that you were a victim...that you have an ax to grind. CLearly, your posts are very subjective and void of common sense.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 3:15 pm on Thu, Sep 13, 2012.

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    Mr Reynard stated...It IS correct that a person who supports Michael Kelly is supporting a person who does harm to others (he is a child molester, after all...)

    Thank you for demonstrating how confused you are. There are innocent people convicted... like the following

    1.Michael Anthony Green, Time served: 27 years—On July 31, 2010, Michael Anthony Green was released from prison after serving 27 years for a crime he’s now found innocent of. Green was sentenced to 75 years in prison after a victim of a sexual assault fingered him as the perpetrator. 27 years later, DNA evidence showed it was someone else. While in prison, Green says his saddest moment was missing the funeral of his mother.

    2.Allen Wayne Porter, Time served: 19 years—For the past 19 years, Allen Wayne Porter claimed he was innocent of the rape and robbery charges brought against him. He tried challenging his conviction several times, but lawyers kept turning down his case. Finally, his case was reopened, and DNA evidence, fingerprints at the crime scene, and testimony from two other men convicted for the same crime exonerated Porter.

    3.Jonathan “Scott” Pierpoint, Time served: 17 years—In 1992, Jonathan Scott Pierpoint was convicted of sexually abusing his stepson. After serving 17 years in prison, he was released when new medical evidence and closer analysis of the stepson’s false statements made it clear he was innocent.

    4.Shawn Massey, Time served: 12 years—Shawn Massey was wrongly sent to prison for 12 years for armed robbery and kidnapping after it was discovered prosecutors withheld crucial information that could have helped his defense. As it turns out, the victim had said she wasn’t sure Massey was the one who robbed her.

    5.Gregory Taylor, Time served: 16 years—Taylor was convicted of murdering a prostitute in 1991, and he served 16 years for the conviction. Prosecutors had misrepresented evidence against Taylor, leading a life sentence being delivered in 1993. As it turns out, the blood stains in his truck weren’t from a human and the testimony given by witnesses was completely false.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 3:07 pm on Thu, Sep 13, 2012.

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    and consider father Kelly stayed and faced the baseless accusations for 4 years... stayed until it was obvious justice could not be served... when someone can be found guilty without "ANY" physical evidence...only supposed repressed memories from decdes earlier, one could easily lose faith in our legal system.

    Thank Goodness the state of Texas comprehends how baseless repressed memories are.Father Kelly's case would not have even made it to court in that state.

     
  • Bruce Reynard posted at 11:47 am on Thu, Sep 13, 2012.

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    Also, jurors, while you're fretting over my blind hate and non-objectivity, consider that Kelly FLED THE COUNTRY while engaged in defending himself at trial and left his employer holding the bill (an agreed-to sum, by the way) for $3,750,00.00. Yes... $3.75 MILLION.


     
  • Bruce Reynard posted at 11:31 am on Thu, Sep 13, 2012.

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    Mr. Baumbach states:

    "No one wants to be perceived as a supporter of people who harm others. Mr Reynard wants to diminish Kelly's supporters from showing public support by creating fear they will be labeled a child molester supporter by their peers"

    I certainly can't argue with this logic.

    It IS correct that a person who supports Michael Kelly is supporting a person who does harm to others (he is a child molester, after all...) and therefore the general public SHOULD perceive people who support a child molester as... well... people who support child molesters.

    I thought I was rather clear in my post, but I guess I'll have to thank you for helping readers with somewhat diminished capacities.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 11:15 am on Thu, Sep 13, 2012.

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    For people in the jury pool, this man and others are conditioning you to perceive all accusers are truthful and there is no doubt or motive possible other than to seek justice.
    Consider that people who claim to be a victim are not objective when it comes to these cases. They many times are blinded by hate and are not careful in assessing innocence or guilt of other cases.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 11:11 am on Thu, Sep 13, 2012.

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    Mr Reynard states...Know that you are in the right. Do not let your personal trial and your efforts be diminished by the incorrect opinions of the child molester's supporters

    Notice how clever Mr Reynard is in his post. He classifies people who believe the defendant is innocent as opinions of people who actively support child molesters.

    Was this an accident?

    No... this is a technique used to create fear in the mind's of people who believe Kelly is innocent. No one wants to be perceived as a supporter of people who harm others. Mr Reynard wants to diminish Kelly's supporters from showing public support by creating fear they will be labeled a child molester supporter by their peers. Maybe this is why no one spoke out in Kelly's defense until the Trotter trial was finished.

    To people who believe father Kelly is innocent... stand up and let your voice be heard. Otherwise, deceptive people like Mr Reynard wins and you lose.

     
  • Bruce Reynard posted at 10:32 am on Thu, Sep 13, 2012.

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    To "John CC Doe" and to other victims of child molester Michael Kelly:

    You will face much criticism from local people; the very people who make up your community and possibly even friends.

    My advice to you is this:
    Find those who are steadfast in supporting you, and lean on them, they will be there for you.

    Know that you are in the right. Do not let your personal trial and your efforts be diminished by the incorrect opinions of the child molester's supporters. We all know that no amount of money will restore your childhood, but it IS of critical importance that the people who continue to shelter this kind of evil get the message that their behavior won't be tolerated. If their wallet is the only legal tool you have to hit them, then you should make no bones about HITTING THEM HARD.

    When the support networks that child molesters rely upon are gone, they will be dealt with swiftly.

    You will be accused of being money hungry, you will hear the words Salem and McMartin... Ignore those who fall back to these rote defense memes -- they are of less moral fortitude than you.

    If you are a victim standing in the wings, watching to see what happens, consider contacting the Sheriff and the attorney involved in these cases; there IS strength in numbers. The sooner and more frequently those who shelter child molesters have to face criminal charges and attacks on their precious bank accounts, the sooner they will realize that a moment of embarrassment in turning in one of their own for doing wrong is far less painful than continuing to harbor and protect.

    I wish you all the best, and may your pain be lightened by your supporters. We ARE out here... all over the place.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 7:04 am on Thu, Sep 13, 2012.

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    couldn't agree more Kevin, great points

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 8:02 pm on Wed, Sep 12, 2012.

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    Neil Allen, your pure bias and hatred of all Catholics is obvious and a rampant sediment among SNAP representatives. You just accused all Catholics as being pro-pedophile. I am Catholic and have repeatedly said every predator priest needs to face the full extent of the law and I know many, overwhelmingly so, fellow Catholics that feel the same way. But your personal hatred blinds you to us. I also believe those who helped/protected them the predator priests need to answer to the law. I have also said that those who need bring FALSE charges against priests need to face justice JUST as aggressively. But you and SNAP not only believes that there has NEVER been a false accusation, but that all accused priests MUST go to jail, even if found innocent.

    Sadly SNAP will never defend an INNOCENT priest falsely accused with as much passion as they would hang that same priest as a symbolic message.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:21 pm on Wed, Sep 12, 2012.

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    So Mr Niel (sleeze type person)is trying to make Mr Pierre out to be some sort of pedophile supporter when in reality he is not. I took the time to look up one of his books,

    http://www.amazon.com/Double-Standard-Scandals-Attack-Catholic/dp/1453730699

    Book Description
    Publication Date: August 11, 2010

    "Double Standard: Abuse Scandals and the Attack on the Catholic Church is essential reading for anyone who wants to hear the other side of the clergy sexual abuse scandal. The side the media hasn't told you, and side most of the public doesn't know ... Even for someone who has read about this subject for years, it was eye-opening to me ... If someone attacks you or slanders the Church over the sexual abuse scandal, challenge them to read this book and continue saying such things."
    - Thomas Peters, American Papist, CatholicVote.org
    "This is a riveting analysis of how money, media, and mayhem transformed a tragedy in the Catholic Church into an attack on the Catholic Church."
    - Author Charlene Duline
    "I highly recommend this book."
    - Gus Lloyd, Seize the Day with Gus Lloyd, The C

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:17 pm on Wed, Sep 12, 2012.

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    Yes, SNAP and its supporters are ready, poised to aggressively attack, smear, belittle or committ character assassination... .

    Snap official accused me by innuendo that I support pedophiles simple because I think and stated father Kelly was being railroaded and that I go to Thailand...

    This cast of characters are vicious mean spirited angry people who will stop at nothing to get what they want...$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and lots of it.

    Mr Allen Neil Allen posted at 7:51 am on Fri, Dec 30, 2011...
    The Catholic church raped tens of thousands of children world-wide, hid pedophile priests, and lied about it. Everyone now knows this, despite how they tried to lie and hide it.
    "themediareport" is written by a guy named Dave Pierre trying to sell two books. Pierre also publicly endorses and is endorsed by Gordon Macrae, a convicted pedophile priest.

     
  • Neil Allen posted at 3:54 pm on Wed, Sep 12, 2012.

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    And Catholics like Darrell Baumbach will try to find SNAP (which are the victims of Catholc pedophile priest child rape).

    What Would Jesus Do?

    Whose side would Jesus be on? He'd be on the side of the victims, whereas Darrell Baumbach is on the side of the pedophile priests.

     
  • Neil Allen posted at 3:52 pm on Wed, Sep 12, 2012.

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    The Catholic church has certainly spent a lot of money to protect pedophiles and pedophile protectors.

     
  • Neil Allen posted at 3:50 pm on Wed, Sep 12, 2012.

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    SNAP consists of children who were raped by clergy, mostly Catholic priests.

    They are not nearly as sophisticated or rich as the Cahtolic church, who can afford to spend $11 million in legal fees to protect admitted pedophile protector Msgr Lynn in Philly, who finall went to jail this year.

    Msgr Lynn, along with 2 bishops, a cardinal, and at least one other priest, hid 37 known pedophile priests from 1994 until 2011, as Lynn admitted in court. They all let those pedophile priests roam free until 2011 when they were caught. Lynn blamed his boss, Cardinal Bevilacqua.

    There is no question that Lynn was guilty of a crime against humanity, but Catholics paid $11 million in legal fees to try to get Lynn off on a technicality.

    Catholics simply don't care if priests rape their children. The Catholic church is the cancerous outgrowth of Christ's church, and contains the wolves in sheep's clothing that the bible warns about.

    SNAP is certainly up against a powerful opponent.

     
  • Neil Allen posted at 3:47 pm on Wed, Sep 12, 2012.

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    and Catholics will continue to defend their pedophile priests like Jesus would defend the children that were raped by Catholic priests (who Catholics call "Christ on earth").

     
  • Neil Allen posted at 3:44 pm on Wed, Sep 12, 2012.

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    Fr Kelly appears to be jsut as guilty as tens of thousands of other Catholic priests that raped children, which is why he left the country, where the Cahtolic church can protect him rather than children.

     
  • Neil Allen posted at 3:42 pm on Wed, Sep 12, 2012.

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    Everyone shoudl read about Dave Pierre, who is trying to sell books where he defends admitted pedophile priests that PLEADED GUILTY in court to sexually abusing children.

     
  • Neil Allen posted at 3:40 pm on Wed, Sep 12, 2012.

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    Some facts about Dave Pierre everyone shoudl know:

    Dave Pierre of TheMediaReprt, shown above, should have mentioned that he is trying to sell books at THEMEDIAREPORT website about how innocent these pedophile priests are, even after they plead guilty, multiple times, to child rape.

    On example is Fr Gordon Macrae, a convicted pedophile priest who Dave supports (and who recommends Dave's books). Macrae PLEADED GUILTY to sex with 3 children, and was also accused by at least another 7. Macrae is serving 30-60 years for raping another, but Dave will tell you how those 3 GUILTY pleas aren't an admission that he's a child rapist.

    The Catholic church admitted 4,392 child sex abusing priests in their own report, and no institution in history is even close to this number. Catholics like Dave will lie and say its as bad elsewhere, and that everyone is just Anti-Catholic, but it isn't true. People are anti-Catholic because Catholics are pro-pedophile, but Dave Pierre actually gets paid for it.

    The Catholic church is BY FAR the world's largest pedophile protection program. No one else is even close.

     
  • Dave Pierre posted at 10:02 am on Wed, Sep 12, 2012.

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    Oh, yes, And some facts about SNAP that everyone should know:

    http://www.themediareport.com/hot-topics/snap-survivors-network-of-those-abused-by-priests/

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  • Dave Pierre posted at 9:59 am on Wed, Sep 12, 2012.

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    I highly recommend that people learn about lawyer John Manly to see what he and these lawsuits are *really* all about:

    http://www.themediareport.com/hot-topics/attorney-john-c-manly/

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  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:42 am on Wed, Sep 12, 2012.

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    christina relloque posted at 5:28 am...Finally, I'm curious as to your motives for defending the Priest. Is it because of his position in the church? If so, and you believe the Bible, even Jesus despised the church leaders of his time

    Thank you for asking. I do not go to church, I have never read the bible though I have attended classes to educate myself. I do not practice any religion, I have never prayed and do not know or have ever met father Kelly.

    I am not defending father Kelly. I am defending justice as in my opinion, the church nor father Kelly received it "YET". I do not like to see people or organizations railroaded and in my opinion, money, greed and hate is at the root of this entire process.

    I am irritated at the Catholic church and people who claim to defend father Kelly. Their response is too timid and in my view should be 100 times more aggressive in exposing the witch hunt they find themselves in. Kelly was convicted based on a laughable repressed memory case should never have been in court and should concern everyone no matter religious or not. There should have been 5000 protesters from the church in front of the court house each day of the trial... but all you could here was the sounds of silence.

    The jury pool was tainted in my opinion and in big part to SNAP and their distortions prior to the selection process.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:46 am on Wed, Sep 12, 2012.

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    Doug Elk posted at 6:43 am on Tue, Apr 10, 2012...When will these pedophiles be STOPPED?

    Interesting to observe this play in action... the script is very effective and pulls at the heart of unsuspecting victims the public becomes.

    Notice that many people will be here until the money is paid, then disappear. Most of the players in this staged play are from out of the area... for example, Judy Jones of SNAP runs a Heaven On Earth Bed 38 Breakfast locted in Marthasville, MO
    She posted her opinion on line a year ago and revealed her bias...

    Church officials can never be trusted to have the kids best interest at heart. They just do not care.
    There is only one way to get these men stopped. Outside law enforcement and prosecutors need to take heed and investigate every single catholic diocese in the world. There is no other way to get this life long harmful abuse stopped.
    Judy Jones, SNAP Midwest Associate Director, 636-433-2511
    snapjudy@gmail.com
    "Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests"
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3farzj_yEk&feature=plcp

     
  • Doug Elk posted at 8:08 am on Wed, Sep 12, 2012.

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    When will these predators be stopped? Save our children!

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 7:13 am on Wed, Sep 12, 2012.

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    of Course Bella is back. No posts before and after the trial... she has inside information as do all SNAP members as their website is a sophisticated collaboration entity that gives them all the techniques and procedures ..

    As there are only 3 employees in SNAP nationally that actual are paid employees, it is obvious that SNAP is deceptive in giving titles such as “Western Regional Director” to an individual who is simply moonlighting working out of their house. None of these SNAP people are trained, educated or professional in the profession of child care or protection. They are however people who “claim” to be abused by priests and have track record of deception.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:13 am on Wed, Sep 12, 2012.

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    christina relloque posted at 5:28...The Diocese messed up for allowing him, and in this world, when you mess up you usually pay... sometimes in the form of currency.

    Thanks for the reminder... in the last trial of father Kelly, SNAP ( and Manly) carefully fooled everyone into thinking "the church" was at fault and liable. Now, as you can see in this post, father Kelly is now not so important. So in this stage play what do we have... We have an anonymous accuser that has a very good chance of gaining wealth (no down side), we have a deceptive group of pretenders (SNAP) that play the roll of the outraged abused advocates, we have a church (patsy) that has deep pockets and is easy money to the people who want it, we have a group of people who defend the innocence of the accused as they have personal knowledge and experience with the accused, a very wealthy attorney who is never satisfied with the money he has... and a jury pool that has been conditioned to believe that the last trial was actually reasonable and fair.

    So what is the mystery? Not much... the size of the check is all that's left since guilt or innocence is no longer on the table or important. After all, the defendant is a priest and a church. What other evidence does one need? No evidence in last trial resulted in 3.7 million cash prize.

     
  • christina relloque posted at 5:41 am on Wed, Sep 12, 2012.

    Redeemed Posts: 2

    And if you believe the Bible, you know your intentions, but God knows them even better. It also explains that God has great favor on those whose intentions and motives are pure. Isn't it a perfect picture of hope, that no matter what people try to accuse us of, He is with us- right by our side. He loves what you do- never second guess that God finds favor with those who protect the innocent. Stay firm with the Holy Spirt leading you every step of the way. He is with us!!!!!!!!

     
  • christina relloque posted at 5:28 am on Wed, Sep 12, 2012.

    Redeemed Posts: 2

    Yes, it's a script because there's no other way to say...
    "Please be brave because it will prevent more chances of this reoccuring."

    Did you know that he was seen by a psychologist who reccomended back in 1999 that Kelly not be placed in a position where he is alone with any children?

    The Diocese messed up for allowing him, and in this world, when you mess up you usually pay... sometimes in the form of currency.

    I have a suggestion for you. Since you are so knowledgable, can you locate Father Kelly and ask him for yourself if these allegations are true in any way. I'm interested as to how he would respond.

    Finally, I'm curious as to your motives for defending the Priest. Is it because of his position in the church? If so, and you believe the Bible, even Jesus despised the church leaders of his time. This illustrates no matter what your position in society, the Bible explains in Romans 3:23 that everyone sins and has fallen short of the Glory of God.
    I'm just wondering if your post is an attempt to honor a Priest, or God.

     
  • Arabella Clark posted at 3:16 am on Wed, Sep 12, 2012.

    Arabella Posts: 129

    Um, there is also a criminal case underway in which sheriff's are investigating. Manly has nothing to do with this.

     
  • Arabella Clark posted at 3:15 am on Wed, Sep 12, 2012.

    Arabella Posts: 129

    I know of criminal cases against priests that have taken several years to compete.

    Kelly must be sweating bullets back there in Ireland.

     
  • Erika Robinson posted at 10:22 pm on Tue, Sep 11, 2012.

    Erika Robinson Posts: 3

    It's been a year this month since Calaveras started investigating this. NO charges yet. Must not be a good case at all. As hard as John Manly has been looking for clients and bragging, I would expect more clients with the millions at stake. At this rate it'll take him 30 years to get up to dozens of clients he says he has. This shows how innocent Fr. Kelly is. Most people under these circumstances would do far worse.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:17 pm on Tue, Sep 11, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Soon we will likely be treated to various canned posts that are intended to create emotion and anger. Yes, this is a well-oiled money machine that will generate easy money for anonymous accusers.
    And who are the cast of Characters of SNAP…who are these people who have scripts designed to counter all points of local people who know and trust father Kelly or any priest that gets in the way of their money?

    Their game? To post information and appear to be objective advocates but in reality are part of an organization that is truly motivated to convict priests no matter if innocent or guilty and obtain as much money as possible out of the hands of the church and into their own… Just ask Joey Piscitelli who in my opinion stuck it rich writing a book and fooling a jury into thinking he deserved 100’s of thousands of dollars.
    01. Tim Lennon of San Franciso
    02. Joey Piscitelli of Martinez who proudly claims to be a real witch
    03. Melanie Jula Sakoda of East Bay
    04. Nancy Sloan
    05. Arabella Clark (Bella)
    06. Bruce Reynard
    07. Joelle Casteix Western Regional Director

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:28 pm on Tue, Sep 11, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Another SNAP teammate who goes by the script Is Melanie Sakata... when someone in an earlier trial suggested money was a possible motive, this woman posted the following...Amazing...almost word for word from the script....

    Melanie Sakoda posted at 12:21 pm on Sat, Mar 10, 2012...

    No amount of money can restore the innocence lost as a result of childhood sex abuse. I applaud the brave man in this case for having the courage to come forward and pursue justice for himself. I hope his courage will inspire others to do the same.

    If you are a victim of childhood sexual abuse, don't suffer alone and in silence!

    Melanie Jula Sakoda
    Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests (SNAP)
    Toll Free Phone: 1-877-SNAPHEALS (1-877-762-7432)
    SNAP East Bay Director
    melanie.sakoda@gmail.com
    925-708-6175


     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:16 pm on Tue, Sep 11, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    SNAP has a play book...they have a script written and have a formula to influence public opinion... below is a post from Judy Jones of SNAP in a different month... I think this post is from page four paragraph 3 ofthe SNAP script... notice how similar in content both posts are....

    Judy Jones posted at 6:19 pm on Fri, Apr 6, 2012...

    This brave victim is to be commended for taking action to expose the truth about being sexually abused, this is not an easy
    thing to do.

    Hopefully anyone, who may have knowledge or may have been harmed by Fr Michael Kelly, will have the courage to speak up and report it to police, not the church officials.

    Keep in mind your silence only hurts, and by speaking up there is a chance for healing, exposing the truth, and therefore protecting others.

    Judy Jones, SNAP Midwest Associate Director, USA, 636-433-2511
    snapjudy@gmail.com
    "Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests'

     
  • Melanie Sakoda posted at 7:31 pm on Tue, Sep 11, 2012.

    Melanie Sakoda Posts: 16

    No amount of money can restore the innocence lost as a result of childhood sex abuse, but sometimes a civil suit can allow a victim to walk away with some feeling of justice. If you are the victim of a sexual assault, report your abuse to the professionals in law enforcement and learn your legal rights. There are people who will believe you and support you.

    Melanie Jula Sakoda
    Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests (SNAP)
    SNAP East Bay
    melanie.sakoda@gmail.com
    925-708-6175

     
  • Tim Fisher posted at 5:37 pm on Tue, Sep 11, 2012.

    Flowfish Posts: 1

    Sadly Mr. Manly has made quite a career of accusing priests for money .. it is time to get a real attorney and fight back.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 4:48 pm on Tue, Sep 11, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    SNAP here again? time for sleeze to grace Lodi

     
  • Judy Jones posted at 4:02 pm on Tue, Sep 11, 2012.

    Judy Jones Posts: 11

    This brave victim is to be commended for having the courage to come forward and take action to expose the truth about being sexually abused.

    Let's hope that every person who saw, suspected or suffered sex crimes and misdeeds by Michael Kelly, will find the courage and strength to speak up and call police, not church officials. They are not the proper officials to be investigating child sex crimes.

    Keep in mind that child predators rarely have only one victim. And your silence only hurts, and by speaking up there is a chance for healing, exposing the truth, and therefore protecting others.

    Judy Jones, SNAP Midwest Associate Director, USA, 636-433-2511. snapjudy@gmail.com,
    (SNAP, the Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests,)

     

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