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Bus stop consolidation saves Lodi Unified School District $13,000 a year

But some parents say loss of two stops may force a return to Mexico for children’s education

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Posted: Thursday, April 21, 2011 12:00 am | Updated: 10:09 am, Thu Apr 21, 2011.

Parents of a handful of Lodi Unified School District students living 15 miles from their school say they may be forced to return to Mexico after trustees voted against adding two new bus stops.

Tuesday's decision is a fallout from last year's district move to consolidate bus stops to save money.

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  • david brinks posted at 8:17 pm on Mon, Apr 25, 2011.

    David Brinks Posts: 10

    I think the point being missed here is the danger LUSD is putting the students in, they are trading loss of lives for a few dollars of savings. Already this school year a beautiful young girl lost her life walking a dark road to get to one of these hubs that saves the school district a few thousand dollars.

    Something is seriously wrong when LUSD makes a decision that plainly states that saving a few thousand dollars in bussing is more important than a childs life.

  • Doug Chaney posted at 9:08 pm on Sat, Apr 23, 2011.

    Doug Chaney Posts: 1232

    Mr. Jackson, have you ever considered that these people you seem to consider illegal, have green cards and are those who work for substandard wages for certain agricultural families who are known to exploit them? Your anger should be directed at these wealthy farrmers who are the lawbreakers by employing them if they don't have documentation. But then, how could these farmers get this cheap labor without the threats and intimidation of having them deported unless they agree to low wages and long overtime hours without overtime, or in some cases, no compensation for overtime at all. These imaginary illegals you're so possessed with wouldn't be here without the help of these criminal farmers who enable them with jobs and living quarters. Vent your hatred on them.

  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:31 am on Sat, Apr 23, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Most of Jackson's comments are embarrassing. I am not surprised... Jackson is a bit crazy in a way as he is trying so hard to be cerebral.
    I just wonder if any labor camp residents would be treated the same by him no matter legal/illegal Probably a lot worse than by some . Sounds like Jackson would be stoning these human beings before you know it...
    May I ask Jackson... is the above accurate? Do I have basis to state you are no better than KKK?

  • Bob Smith posted at 7:23 am on Sat, Apr 23, 2011.

    Bob Smith Posts: 128

    Doug's concern is that the school district would lose the money that the state gives LUSD for each student in attendance.
    For argument's sake let's assume that the state pays LUSD $9,000 per year per student. Now, even though nothing in the article points it out specifically, let's assume that they are here illegally, and they go back to Mexico for a better education. LUSD just lost $27,000 of state money, but is saving the cost of having to transport them, feed them, and try to educate them.
    Here's the part I like: The State of California would no longer be paying $27K for students that didn't belong here. Assuming of course that they were here illegally.
    If the parents and the kids are here legally, and the parents apparently have jobs, then there's no way they would move back to Mexico so their kids could go to school. Something smells.

  • Jackson Scott posted at 8:38 pm on Fri, Apr 22, 2011.

    Jackson Scott Posts: 392

    Doug, I too will suggest that this woman, Anna, is an illegal alien by a) her comments about returning to Mexico, but mainly due to b) her residence at Camp 14/15. Being the Champion Do-Gooder Doug I assume you know what those camps are, don't you? Well, for those of you who might not, they are housing for the migrant farm workers on the farm.

    In the school system only about 50% of migrant, illegal, or anchor-baby students actually put out any effort. Most will learn some English, but they will just go thru the motions. Just like their parents, they feel no need to learn English and assimilate into the culture of their new home because they can hablo Espanol just about in every store on the Eastside.

  • Kevin Paglia posted at 1:53 pm on Fri, Apr 22, 2011.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 2115

    According to http://www.ed-data.k12.ca.us/articles/article.asp?title=california%20comparison

    "In 2007-08, California spent $9,706 per pupil (94% of the national average), which earned the state a rank of 28th." That was for 07-08 but the page is updated in Feb 2011.

    I don't know where the 13k reimbursement comes from but IF it was accurate then each student COSTS about 10K. This does not take into account if there are any special education needs.

  • Ryan Jameson posted at 1:02 pm on Fri, Apr 22, 2011.

    Ryan Jameson Posts: 195

    Really? You know the numbers but won't share them huh?

    I am suggesting that she is an illegal immigrant because of her desire to so easily return to Mexico. Of course I am being a little sarcastic in that because I truly do not know her citizen status. And it has everything to so with citizenship. Why should I care if her kids get to school or not if they don't even have the legal right to be here? A nation without borders is no nation Mr. Chaney. A nation which does not enforce it's sovereignty is not a nation. And I am the last person in this nation who wants to see my tax dollars spent on people who are breaking the law by being here. Go through the proper channels to be a citizen and I will happily pay for your kids education.

    Sounds to me like $13k a year could do some good in our school system. But you cannot blame the schools for what is, quite frankly, a parenting problem. Truant schoolchildren and dropouts typically (although not always) come from broken homes with worthless parents. And then of course you could talk about powerful teacher's unions who share much of the blame for our school systems problems. And if things are that much better in Mexico why are its citizens still coming here?

  • Doug Chaney posted at 12:30 pm on Fri, Apr 22, 2011.

    Doug Chaney Posts: 1232

    Ryan, why are you suggesting that she's an illegal immigrant. If her children were born here, they are US citizens and this has nothing to do with citizenship, just the mindthought of many Lodians, maybe yourself included, but with the issue of saving $13K to spend 3 times that amount of funding if those children leave LUSD. Look up those per student numbers yourself, I already know the figures. Judging by SAT scores, attendance and dropout figures, conditions in Mexican schools may well be better off than LUSD.

  • Ryan Jameson posted at 6:54 am on Fri, Apr 22, 2011.

    Ryan Jameson Posts: 195

    Insulting what you presume to be my education level will not benefit your argument Mr. Chaney. You have already proven yourself to be simple minded and unresponsive to clear evidence contrary to whatever point you are arguing. So if you would like to change my mind then you are going to need to come up with the evidence to suggest your hypothesis is the correct one. Find the "per student funding" numbers and we can do the math. I would argue that most parents will find a way to work around the closure of bus stops and still have their kids in school. This lady is attempting to use an asinine argument to make a point. By suggesting that school conditions in Mexico are better than they are in the U.S, she is hoping to shock people into empathizing with her. As usual Mr. Chaney, you have decided to jump on the racist bandwagon and give it yet another go round. Oh and Mr. Chaney if you don't mind, while we are doing math could you please look up the dollar amount that taxpayers spend on illegal immigrants in this country? Because, I have to assume that if this lady is so willing to run back to Mexico seems to me like she might be a citizen of that country instead of this country. So would $13k a year be a "drop in the bucket" if we were transporting people to school who are not legally in this country?

  • Doug Chaney posted at 9:56 pm on Thu, Apr 21, 2011.

    Doug Chaney Posts: 1232

    And Ryan, I was only pointing out that if she pulled her children from LUSD, the per student funding would surely cost LUSD much more than $13K, with a budget of a quarter billion dollars. Wouldn''t you say that $13K is a drop in the bucket? Maybe you failed math and logics?

  • Doug Chaney posted at 9:52 pm on Thu, Apr 21, 2011.

    Doug Chaney Posts: 1232

    The subtle haters always respond to issues regarding anyone with a Latino name. You surely sound like long time white Lodians.

  • Bob Smith posted at 3:11 pm on Thu, Apr 21, 2011.

    Bob Smith Posts: 128

    Ryan, two thumbs up!

    Doug, you do know you're supporting somebody who lives on the *very* west side, don't you?

  • Robert Chapman posted at 2:15 pm on Thu, Apr 21, 2011.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    If her child will get an easier education in Mexico she should move there. Can't she make arrangements to get them to the nearest bus stop? Judging from the map, it isn't all that far. She could move to another location that the buses accomodate. If not, she definitely should take her kids to Mexico.

  • Ryan Jameson posted at 1:28 pm on Thu, Apr 21, 2011.

    Ryan Jameson Posts: 195

    Well Mr. Chaney, if $13k is a drop in the bucket to you then I would sure like your job! This lady is clearly overreacting. It's too hard to get a car and drive your kids a few miles to the nearest bus stop? Oh wait, the lady is hispanic, Lodi Police must have towed her car at the last DUI checkpoint!

  • Doug Chaney posted at 11:00 am on Thu, Apr 21, 2011.

    Doug Chaney Posts: 1232

    Yes Josh, she did. It's not a conspiracy theory. Are you suggesting there's anything wrong with this lady expressing her feelings? Can LUSD afford to lose more of its students and their much needed per-day student funding monies over a drop in the bucket, paltry $13K while administration still spends freely?

  • Bob Smith posted at 10:45 am on Thu, Apr 21, 2011.

    Bob Smith Posts: 128

    Earlier, the mother said (through an interpreter) her students might have to return to Mexico where they can get to school easier.


  • Josh Morgan posted at 7:55 am on Thu, Apr 21, 2011.

    Josh Morgan Posts: 542

    "Earlier, the mother said her students might have to return to Mexico where they can get to school easier."

    Tell me she really didn't say that.



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