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Some believers say world is still going to end

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31 comments:

  • Bruce Crary posted at 6:41 am on Fri, May 27, 2011.

    Bruce Crary Posts: 9

    Hi Lindy, I am very sorry to hear about your former foster brother. Each and every life on this earth is precious, and when we lose a life due to the attempted control, manipulation and lies of of self-absorbed and narcissistic people, we all lose.

    Who is to say that your former foster brother, could not have touched a person's life "Today", and caused massive change? We will now (on this earth), never know...

    I was in advertising for many years, and I know that Harold's extensive world wide campaign to deceive, has and will continue to affect and destroy many lives.

    The bullies of this world (most media and 50%+ of the population) will continue to sluff off this needless loss of life, because they simply don't care about their neighbor. They simply cannot or will not think beyond their own selfish needs and destructive viewpoints.

    It is going to get worse in the next few months, and more bullies will emerge with their self-serving opinions, as good people lose their lives due to this fear and deception.

    I for one, will do my best to bring people to the truth, and help to set them free of fear, worry and deceptive bullying. I declare now, that anyone who predicts any future date for the "Rapture" or "End Of The World" has come to steal, kill and destroy, and DOES NOT represent God or Jesus Christ!

    I say this; Do not follow men or religious (man made) error. Turn your fear into courage. Anyone who wants biblical answers, I will do my best to help you, and if I can't help you, I will find someone who will.

     
  • Bob Silvano posted at 7:46 pm on Thu, May 26, 2011.

    Bob Silvano Posts: 145

    I PREDICT THAT:
    1. I will wake up tomorrow and NOT see my name in the obitiuaries.
    2. I will repeat this routine each day, for many years.
    3. My predictions will be correct.

    Y'all have a great Memorial Day Weekend !!! (you know....the one that we weren't supposed to be here for?)

     
  • Bruce Crary posted at 10:29 pm on Wed, May 25, 2011.

    Bruce Crary Posts: 9

    Hi Darrell, please try to do some research before making blanket comments. Harold Camping had everything to do with these peoples death/suicide/attempted suicide (check the stories on the internet).

    Please try not to stick your head in the sand and make callous statements about this issue by saying: "Oh, they were destined to die anyway". I wonder how you would feel if "These People" were your neices or daughters? The Mother slit the daughter's throats in direct relation to Harold's false prophecies. Same with the man who jumped out of the window to his death.

    I don't expect you to understand or fully comprehend what is going on here, since you are quoting Darwinisim as an explaination. But, If you are willing to dig a little deeper, I think you will find that people like Harold are VERY DANGEROUS to others.

    Have an enlightened and compassionate day!

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 4:25 pm on Wed, May 25, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Bruce Crary posted at 6:54...It is now coming out that several people have either attempted to, or succeeded in committed suicide, due to Harold Camping and his "End of The World" FALSE PROPHECY ...

    I think you are mistaken. I think Mr Camping has no influence at all. Anyone who died from such obvious nonsense was destined to die no matter what event took place. This man was just an excuse to do what they would have done anyway. I assign no blame or harm on this quack... I do not think this man is dangerous or has credibility... Maybe Darwinian principles are at work.

     
  • Bruce Crary posted at 6:54 am on Wed, May 25, 2011.

    Bruce Crary Posts: 9

    Thanks Darrell and David for your comments. No one (on this earth) in my opinion, is able to predict the future with any consistent accuracy, and it is very dangerous to other people to attempt to do so (as I stated in my first post).

    It is now coming out that several people have either attempted to, or succeeded in committed suicide, due to Harold Camping and his "End of The World" FALSE PROPHECY of May 21st. Now he falsely states it is Oct 21st, 2011 is the new date for the "End of The World".

    More and more people will be deceived through Harold's lies, and more lives will be unnecessarily lost, due to this selfish, narcissistic, fortune teller.

    Unless something is done, by people who have the courage to stand up and take action (us, news agencies), then we will see more mothers slitting their childcare’s throats out of F.E.A.R = False Evidence Appearing Real.

    I hope that Ross is reading this, because I for one, will be more than happy to tell my story, and help save lives before October, 21st hits.

    It is time we quit treating this idiot (Harold Camping) as just a "Old Fool", he is a "Dangerous Leach", causing the "Self-Murder" of others.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 10:46 pm on Tue, May 24, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    David stated...Is that better?

    Not in the least... not better at all... since my point had nothing to do with your statement.
    Maybe if you had stuck to your expertise in defining what you are all about it would have been more constructive. Since you advertise yourself as having an organization titled Atheists and free thinkers... it would have been educational had you defined Atheism and free thinking from "your perspective”... Exactly what is free thinking and an Atheist? I would think a free thinker would enthusiastically express what he/she perceives.

     
  • David Diskin posted at 9:53 pm on Tue, May 24, 2011.

    David Diskin Posts: 175

    Darrell, my bad.

    Your *example* of atheism and/or freethinking is just about as accurate as me claiming that all Christians believe that the world is 6,000 years old and was going to end on May 21.

    Is that better?

    And Bruce, to answer your interesting question... I don't believe anyone can predict the future, in a prophet sort-of way. Anyone who claims to is making a rather large claim that can earn them $1,000,000 through the James Randi Foundation.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 2:13 pm on Tue, May 24, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Bruce stated...I would like to add that many people have turned to; Terrot Cards, Astrology, Seances, Tea Leaf Reading, Self-Proclaimed Prophets/Fortune Tellers, just to name a few avenues of error filled deception.
    It is good that we have freedom of thought, and I would think that most people would see that the above examples of trying to determine your personal future, are fruitless and fraught with deception, danger and disappointment.
    But, for those of us that accepted Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior, the above examples are not only fruitless, but are very dangerous, because then, we step into a harmful, dark spiritual realm that God does not want us to venture into, "End of the World" dates.

    Bruce... please understand that I misunderstood the intent of your question. I do think it is fruitless to go anywhere or to anyone in making an attempt to determine anyone's future. When you asked “who” to go to, I was only thinking of a human being as who. I never go to anyone for that.

    As far as the after life and salvation, I leave that to others to discuss as I take a position that all things are equally possible but I have no interest in persuading anyone one way or another what will happen once someone dies. I do not depend of faith to take a path or direction when it comes to this issue. For me, I depend of life's experience where I failed and learned from my failures. I also learn from things that work and reinforce those behaviors. I think if you want to know where you are going, you must focus on where you have been and how you got to where you are... then you can take educated guesses as to the next step to take... that is for here on earth... after that... I have no experience and will wait and see what happens.
    I know since you have accepted Jesus as savior, you know in your heart what will happen. I do not think it appropriate for me or anyone else to say something pro or con to what you know to be truth of god... I consider you fortunate to have the ability you do to find peace of mind and knowledge as to what your future hold.

     
  • Bruce Crary posted at 12:14 pm on Tue, May 24, 2011.

    Bruce Crary Posts: 9

    Darrell, thank you for your well thought out and intelligent response. I also appreciate your honesty. It is nice to know that there are still people out there that can carry on a conversation or debate, and not become heavily defensive, or turn to verbal bullying.

    I like your comment about; "Evolution of Thought", during a conversation, as I would like to see and understand an individual's viewpoint regarding a particular subject. I would just like to try to stay on the author's subject of: Family Radio/Harold Camping and his followers.

    In response to my first question: 1. If you want to know your personal future, who would (or do) you go to?

    You mention that a "Crystal Ball" or a "Palm Reader" would be as good as any to find out your future. I would like to add that many people have turned to; Terrot Cards, Astrology, Seances, Tea Leaf Reading, Self-Proclaimed Prophets/Fortune Tellers, just to name a few avenues of error filled deception.

    It is good that we have freedom of thought, and I would think that most people would see that the above examples of trying to determine your personal future, are fruitless and fraught with deception, danger and disappointment.

    But, for those of us that accepted Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior, the above examples are not only fruitless, but are very dangerous, because then, we step into a harmful, dark spiritual realm that God does not want us to venture into, "End of the World" dates.

    I suppose that in my original comments, I should have stated that my viewpoints are mainly directed to those who have accepted Jesus Christ, although common sense dictates to anyone, that putting a date on the end of the world through any means, is simply a maneuver to manipulate and control people for monetary and/or personal gain.

    Just this morning, Harold Camping has re-calculated and dropped back to: "Plan B", and has now stated that the "End of The World" is "STILL ON" for October, 21st, 2011, and that the May 21st, 2011 date was just the “Beginning of the End of the World”, even though NONE of his recorded FALSE/OCCULT PREDICTIONS/PROPHESIES have come true.

    There has been at least one person who has sadly, committed suicide because of Harold's latest false prediction, and I believe in the next few months, we will find more. Anyone (christian or not) should realize that this idiot should be stopped, and/or serious consequences should be imposed on him when his October, 21st, 2011 FALSE PREDICTION, once again, falls flat on it's face and hurts more people.

    I do believe that everyone should have a chance to learn about (and accept or deny) Jesus Christ, who by the way (contrary to popular belief), is very loving, caring and just wants to give eternal life to people, and lead them on a good and prosperous path. So it really irritates me that people like Harold Camping depict my Lord and Savior (Jesus Christ), as someone who wants to kill everyone. Harold has used the Bible (The Word of Life), as a springboard to promote his own selfish agenda, and very few people have the courage to stop or expose him.

    What stops religious bullying? In my opinion: “PAIN!”. I'm sure your going to ask me about that statement.
    Anyway Darrell, you asked, and then stated: "Is it possible for anyone to have all the answers? That possibility has never crossed my mind".
    I used to think that "I" had all the answers, because I hung around people that said: "We have all the answers". I was literally "A Legend In My Own Mind" If you were to ask me if I was ever wrong, I would reply with; "I thought I was wrong once, but I was wrong!" (ha! ha!).
    Harold Camping thought he had "All The Answers" (and still does), and look where it is getting him. No one on this earth has all the answers for all situations, but if you specifically “SEARCH & ASK” for the correct answers, for your situation, you will receive. There is a way to expedite this process through an “Awesome Coach”. Go ahead, ask me!

     
  • Bruce Crary posted at 9:28 pm on Mon, May 23, 2011.

    Bruce Crary Posts: 9

    Oh, by the way. Harold Camping is at this very moment acting like you GPS unit; Recalculating, in an attempt to save face and continue his deception and trickery, regardless of the truth.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:25 pm on Mon, May 23, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Bruce... as far as going off track... many thoughts and ideas are generated from various letters consistently... as far as I know, evolution of thought is permissible.

    As far as questions that concerns future results... I think someone with a crystal ball would be as good as any... or maybe a palm reader... May I ask a question of you.. Is it possible for anyone to have all the answers? That possibility has never crossed my mind.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:13 pm on Mon, May 23, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Manuel stated...Your experience means nothing to me...
    They are my experiences ...not yours... there is no reason you should care about my experience. Why comment on something so obvious?

    Manuel stated... It is a stable of the freethinking community to consider the claims of the religious and evaluate them objectively, in fact, it's kind of a hobby.

    If you want to fantasize that you “objectively” evaluate and consider, that is your privilege. By definition, an atheist is not objective at all.

     
  • Bruce Crary posted at 9:06 pm on Mon, May 23, 2011.

    Bruce Crary Posts: 9

    Wow guys! A bit off track from the author's article's aren't we?

    Anyway, a couple of quick questions (to those who wish to respond):

    1. If you want to know your personal future, who would (or do) you go to?

    2. If someone (anyone) attempts to predict your future, how would you determine whether that person was right or not?

    3. Who (on this earth) has all the answers?

    Thanks for your responses

     
  • Manuel Martinez posted at 8:06 pm on Mon, May 23, 2011.

    Manuel Martinez Posts: 641

    Your experience means nothing to me. Why not ask David or other members of the Stockton Area Atheists and Freethinkers how often they consider religious questions and the data put forth to defend them? Nearly every day I consider religious positions, either in discussion with the religious or through my own study of religious texts or articles. It is a stable of the freethinking community to consider the claims of the religious and evaluate them objectively, in fact, it's kind of a hobby.

    I have no need of pretending there is no God when I am perfectly fine opposing a tyrannical being through corporeal action or being surprised by a blissful and wise deity who serves as the antithesis of the judeo-christian patriarch. As Christopher Hitchens pointed out, I and those like me can imagine a plethora of beings (mythology is a favorite subject of mine), with no problem at all. What we don't do is make the assertion that such beings exist, care about or intend to shape the thoughts and futures of human beings or other parts of the universe. In the event that one does do so, we challenge them to put their best foot forward in defending the claim and weighing the evidence.

    Briefly put, your insinuations are as dust.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 7:52 pm on Mon, May 23, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    David Diskin posted at 6:58 pm... Mr Baumbach, your definition of atheism and/or freethinking is just about as accurate as me claiming that all Christians believe that the world is 6,000 years old and was going to end on May 21.

    Mr Diskin... your analogy is rather silly considering I offered no definition of atheism nor freethinking... I simply gave one isolated example of free thinking is not in general and that in one case, you are not a free thinker...
    Now that you bring up the subject of definition of free thinking and atheism, and because you have an organization that professes to be both, maybe you could define what you think the definitions are. Obviously, I do not qualify to offer a definition as I am not as advanced in this thought as you.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 7:26 pm on Mon, May 23, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Manuel stated...We consider the evidence and determine whether or not it is plausible to conclude a deity from these assertions....

    Manuel... In my view and experience, most Atheists pretend to evaluate and consider. My guess is that intellectually, they want to appear to be objective and measured. In reality, they are just looking to reinforce their position that there is no god.
    I am sure there are many motivations for wanting to take that position, but none of them involve rational thought. Just look at how annoyed and angry you get. Maybe rational considerations take you away from the position you wish to hold which results in frustration.. I have no doubt that you will ever change positions no matter how many "considerations" you participate in.

     
  • David Diskin posted at 6:58 pm on Mon, May 23, 2011.

    David Diskin Posts: 175

    Mr Baumbach, your definition of atheism and/or freethinking is just about as accurate as me claiming that all Christians believe that the world is 6,000 years old and was going to end on May 21.

    Thank you for writing and sharing.

     
  • Manuel Martinez posted at 6:35 pm on Mon, May 23, 2011.

    Manuel Martinez Posts: 641

    As to Darrell's commentary, I am reluctant to put much effort into displacing his rather feeble argument (I wouldn't want to take away Joanne's fun). I will however put forward a prepackaged response to a rather annoying proposition: "these so called atheists are also not free thinkers. If they were, they would see evidence already that there “might” very well be god. Not much free thinking among this group as well..."

    http://youtu.be/GF1mJlE5c-c

    Furthermore, the position of disbelief on the grounds of insufficient evidence is not the expression of anti-free thought. We consider the evidence and determine whether or not it is plausible to conclude a deity from these assertions. It is by no means dogmatic; rather, it awaits new forms of evidence with which to review while maintaining that there is no reason to assume that such a deity exists in the absence of such evidence.

     
  • Manuel Martinez posted at 6:18 pm on Mon, May 23, 2011.

    Manuel Martinez Posts: 641

    Need it be said further that this is precisely what is the problem with religion? This desire to make claims without evidence up to the point when deeply held beliefs are held to not be the case, in which a new pretense is erected to protect the point but alter the parameters of that which was explicated.

    What particularly annoys me are the comments I hear from Christians of other denominations. Nearly repetitive are the iterations of Matthew 24:36 made known without any originality put forth. A mocking took place to where Christian scoffed at Christian over poor interpretations of a collection of ancient scribbles. With the deadline past, that mocking continues, perhaps to the dismay of Camping's followers, making it clear that they were at best, mistaken and at worst, insane. I say this with concise honesty, that I don't view Camping's followers any more insane than those Christians of other denominations who now mock them. (This is not so much a compliment, so don't go nuts here.)

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/27682/onethird-americans-believe-bible-literally-true.aspx

    Nearly 1/3rd of Americans believe that the bible is literally true, which provides the implication that the bulk of them have a series of beliefs (along with their non-literal counterparts) on Christian eschatology. To hold that the world WILL end at the hands of their deity is about as preposterous as a small group asserting that it has pinpointed the date of that event. When I hear Christians come back at Camping's followers with "No one but God knows," I very often want to come back at them, "How do you know what you speak of will even occur, much less that the deity you posit as knowing of when such a day will occur actually exists?" Quite often, the same vice of biblical doctrine will be put forth as justification of their beliefs to which I need only point to those who most recently placed their trust in their interpretation of that very text and were left the next day in utter disappointment (...that they were not lifted into heaven, shedding their clothes as nudists, and leaving a great many of what presumably are 'God's children' to suffer the torment of earthquake after earthquake and debilitating pestilence so that their angry deity can establish his dominance and close the book.)


    "What is faith? If it is believing propositions for which one lacks evidence or, worse yet, for which ample evidence to the contrary exists, then faith is at best, simpleminded credulity and, at worst, poisonous perversion - 'the rational animal' recalcitrant at the constraints of reason. If, however, faith refers to a certain attitude of optimism or an instance upon interpreting experience in the most hopeful light available, then once cannot but boggle at the leery reticence with which so many of the 'faithful' appear to regard 'God's world.'"

    -Christopher Hitchens

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 2:11 pm on Mon, May 23, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403


    Ms Bobin... so you can relax and be part of the real world, I included a website that addresses your perception that Mr David Diskin and The atheist and freethinking community are separate philosophies...David Diskin and C. J. Keenan ( are Co-Organizers) of a social network at meetup.com

    http://www.meetup.com/Stockton-Atheist/

    They are on line and inviting like minded people to do as the name of the website suggests... What is the name of their group you ask?... why.. it is “ Stockton Area Atheists & FreeThinkers.... if you read their comments and posts... it is obvious that freethinkers and atheists co-mingles
    When I made my comments, I was addressing this blogger from that basis... you seem to perceive that the title of his organization represents two separate philosophies... maybe you should inform the group so that they can understand what you do... I'm sure you can set them straight the Bobin way... I will mediate for them...

    I also Im providing what they are all about... according to them....

    We are an organization of non-believers that focuses on:
    Community Involvement
    Social Events
    Education and Information
    Activism
    In addition to periodic events here and there, we have three monthly events:
    Social and Business Meeting (First Friday)
    Bookclub (Second Wednesday)
    Freethought Movie Night (Fourth Sunday)

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 1:44 pm on Mon, May 23, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Ms Bobin...since you are a person who rarely has anything to say... of substance... or constructive...about anything or anyone, I assume when you stated below " Someone could have saved themselves a whole lot of words here ", that you were offering self critique... I agree with you 100%... This must be the first exception to the rule... You finally wrote something of substance . Congratulations again!

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 12:45 pm on Mon, May 23, 2011.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4301

    Someone could have saved themselves a whole lot of words here. The statement read, "The atheist and free-thinking community...", not "the atheist/freethinking community." Two different, though not unrelated, philosophies - and certainly not deserving of Mr. Baumbach's "learned" philosophical analysis.

    For a self-proclaimed "non-religious" person, Mr. Baumbach seems to always have something to say in support of religion and severe criticism for those who do not support all aspects, good or bad, of religion.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 9:21 am on Mon, May 23, 2011.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1792

    Another "Doomsday" prophet wrong? Unvelievable. IF and when it comes, no mortal on this earth will be forewarned.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:49 am on Mon, May 23, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Mr Diskin states... The atheist and freethinking community welcomes those disillusioned by Saturday's non-event.

    Interesting that this man perceives atheists as free thinkers... I perceive traditional Atheists think there is no god. Therefore they are not free to think that there might be god. Then there are those atheists that say they see no evidence that there is god and until they see evidence, they will act accordingly... these so called atheists are also not free thinkers. If they were, they would see evidence already that there “might” very well be god. Not much free thinking among this group as well...
    I think the best thinkers say... they are not sure, they do not know, and they will try hard to seek truth whatever that may be.. and that faith must take a role in your perception of reality... like I have faith that each person has the ability to love … I do not know that for a fact... I have faith. If you make room for the possibility that your reality is only as sound as the variables and facts that you understand... and that as you learn more , your reality with change...

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:34 am on Mon, May 23, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Statement...1. Anyone who states that they know the date of the return of Jesus Christ is a complete FALSE PROPHET, and is involved with the OCCULT and WITCHCRAFT through fear, for selfish gain. They are "Trying to Play God", they want you to follow and worship them...

    I think this statement is in the same category as the people predicting the end... they may be right... they may be wrong. No one has the ability to know for certain anything relating to future events... To draw a conclusion that these people are involved with the occult and witchcraft as if that is carved in stone draws upon the same sensory that predicts the end... neither side can prove their point. Both sides must rely on faith,common sense or intuition that their position is right. Mr Crary could be right... but there is just as much chance that he is wrong.
    Statement 2...And last but not least, ANYONE who says they have ALL THE ANSWERS, is a liar...
    There is a second possibility that comes to mind... to lie shows intent to deceive... many times a person is mistaken.. does not have intent to deceive and therefore is not a liar. Just like Mr Crary might be mistaken about someone telling the truth or not... that would not make him a liar.

     
  • Frederick Goethel posted at 8:01 am on Mon, May 23, 2011.

    Frederick Goethel Posts: 50

    Sadly there will always be people who will believe the Campings of this world. I doubt there is a way to prevent it.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 7:27 am on Mon, May 23, 2011.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1792

    On a side note, I am wondering how much money the Camping enterprise reaped over this whole debacle?

     
  • Bruce Crary posted at 7:16 am on Mon, May 23, 2011.

    Bruce Crary Posts: 9

    Hi Ross (writer of this article), good talking with you, and thanks for quoting me. Just a quick note; the religious bullying and deception was only part of what destroyed my previous marriage. Other factors included; infidelity (on my x-wife's part), global criticism, contempt, defensiveness, and stonewalling. You can read more about this in the book; "The Seven Principles for making a Marriage Work" by; John Gottman. I am very thankful I read this book, because it helped paved my way to the wonderful 10 year + marriage I have now.

    I am still very concerned about those who have been controlled, manipulated, and deceived through Family Radio's/Harold Camping's religious bullying. They need help, understanding and correct teaching, if they realize and admit that they were in error.

    But, it is also obvious to me (from your article) that there are people out there who are still promoting fear, lies and error, even though they have been exposed. Amazing!

    I am a strong believer in; God, Jesus Christ, and The Holy Spirit. My life has been literally saved many times by; God, Jesus Christ, and The Holy Spirit, because I was led to accept Jesus Christ and receive eternal life, when I was fourteen (ask me about some of these stories, it will blow your mind, still amazes me).

    My point is this... Now, according to your article, some people are now trying to bully others into believing that: "God is no longer saving people", and that "Judgment Day" Just "Began" on; May 21st, 2011. I feel you right now, that ALL of the words being spewed out of their mouths are lies. I will now expose you!

    1. Anyone who states that they know the date of the return of Jesus Christ is a complete FALSE PROPHET, and is involved with the OCCULT and WITCHCRAFT through fear, for selfish gain. They are "Trying to Play God", they want you to follow and worship them.

    2. ANYONE who says that God has stopped saving people/offering eternal life, is SPEAKING AGAINST the "Holy Spirit", saying; "The Holy Spirit is no longer doing it's work". That, is a blatant lie! Follow NO ONE who teaches this, they are on a path to destruction.

    3. And last but not least, ANYONE who says they have ALL THE ANSWERS, is a liar. We ALL see through a glass darkly. We who believe in Jesus Christ, must follow HIM, NOT lying men.

    Thanks Ross

     
  • David Diskin posted at 7:15 am on Mon, May 23, 2011.

    David Diskin Posts: 175

    The atheist and freethinking community welcomes those disillusioned by Saturday's non-event.

    Nearly all of our members were once Christian, and had the same faith and conviction as Camping's followers once did. They were missionaries, priests, and avid church-goers of all faiths, and now they accept that there is no ultimate plan, there is no Heavenly father, and yet there is grandeur in this view of life.

    Feel free to search for the Stockton Area Atheists and Freethinkers, and visit us.

     
  • Daniel Blair posted at 5:04 am on Mon, May 23, 2011.

    Daniel Blair Posts: 1

    I am very sad for those who have been following this lie that the rapture was to occur on May 21st. Hopefully, they should now admit that “No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven nor the Son, but only the Father” (Mark 13:32). Every Christian, theologian, scholar, and prophet from the first Century until the Nineteenth Century all believed that the church would go through the Great Tribulation and not escape through some secret rapture that would leave the world completely paralyzed. I pray that they now will take a moment and read through my book, “Final Warning” to help them to stand firm in their faith because the hour of is His judgment has come. http://www.revelation-truth.org

     
  • Danny Haszard posted at 1:23 am on Mon, May 23, 2011.

    Danny Haszard Posts: 2

    Armageddon-aint-a-coming-so-im-a-getting-outta-here...
    Watchtower Jehovahs Witnesses have lost credibility with their own *Millerite Math* doctrine of Jesus *invisible* second coming October 1914.
    Watchtower society false prophets declare Armageddon end of world in 1874, 1878, 1881, 1910, 1914, 1918, 1925, 1975, and 1984....
    ---Danny Haszard been there!


     

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