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Posted: Thursday, August 4, 2011 12:06 pm | Updated: 2:04 pm, Fri Aug 5, 2011.

To foster greater understanding among cultures, Lodi's Breakthrough Project will present a free movie, "My Name is Khan," at 1 p.m. Saturday at the Lodi Public Library community room, 201 W. Locust St.

The 2010 film, open to people of all faiths and cultures, is being shown to foster communication in light of the 10th anniversary of the 9/11 terrorist attacks coming up next month, said Helen Mansfield, a Breakthrough Project member.

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  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 1:16 pm on Tue, Aug 9, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Really Ms Lee... I am impressed if you disagreed with Ms Bobin. Of course I have not seen all of your posts. When I said never, I was referring to the ones I read. Please clarify... can you post a link of something you disagreed with her. I would love to read it.
    As far as being ticked off at you... please Ms Lee, I no longer care one way or the other as I see your posts as inconsequential and not of value. No... I am not ticked in any way.

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 11:40 pm on Mon, Aug 8, 2011.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    Darrell wrote, "Since Ms Lee has "never" refuted any of Ms Bobin's posts..."

    A wise man never says "Never". I guess we know where you stand.

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 11:38 pm on Mon, Aug 8, 2011.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    Darrell: You are so full of it. I have indeed disagreed with Joanne at times. You're just ticked off that I don't agree with you and have called you out on your lack of character... calling my children names. So, you are actually going to blast me because I did not comment on someone else’s comment… a comment that "obviously" bothered you? That's just weird. You are really grasping for things to argue about with me.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 12:27 pm on Mon, Aug 8, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Since Ms Lee has "never" refuted any of Ms Bobin's posts, and since Ms Lee tends to be very supportive of Ms Bobin...she has little credibility in accusing me of anything. If someone says a point I disagree with, I am happy to refute it with "facts", rather than call a person a bigot or racist. or in Ms Lee's case, calling me a coward.

    Pot-kettle-black Ms Lee?... hardly.

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 9:43 pm on Sun, Aug 7, 2011.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    Darrell wrote, "Your attempt to assassinate people's character and your attempt to cast doubt on the source is getting old."

    Careful, Darrell... pot-kettle-black.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 8:02 pm on Sat, Aug 6, 2011.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    JOANNE, my remarks about the TacoTruck Competition aren't the ONLY posts I have made, just the one you care to keep dragging up trying to turn it into some kind of insult. Actually, I am flattered that you remembered, I still say it would have been a golden opportunity to round up ILLEGAL law breaking aliens. Unlike some posters and you, I am not in favor of anyone who breaks ANY federal, state or local law. They need to be held accountable for their actions. So, tell me Joanne, do you favor giving these law breakers a free pass or not?

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 5:08 pm on Sat, Aug 6, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Ms Bobin.. If you disagree with my data, please correct the data. Your attempt to assassinate people's character and your attempt to cast doubt on the source is getting old. Maybe you could attempt to submit facts as you see them instead. It might help you avoid looking petty.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 5:02 pm on Sat, Aug 6, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Ms Bobin stated...And really...please tell me that you did not get your information for the "Florida" case from "Bluegrass Bulletin," which is what I got when I Googled your "headline...

    Ms Bobin. I did not know you cared which publication printed truth. I just did a google search... I knew it to be truth so I used it... so now that you question the data, let me get it documented for you. Are you refuting that this case happened?

    The judge in this case was was Hillsborough Circuit Judge Richard Nielsen.He announced on March 1, 2011 that he would decide the case by consulting shari’a law to determine whether the arbitration was conducted properly, and should therefore be binding.
    As reported by the St. Petersburg Times, the mosque contested this decision, stating through their attorney that they “believe wholeheartedly in the Koran and its teachings” and “follow Islamic law in connection with their spiritual endeavors,” but they also “believe Florida law should apply in Florida courts.”
    I was not stating that this case is a problem. I was saying that in our laws, prior court cases effect existing court cases. My point is that is is easy to imagine that Sharia Law can be fused in our system with judges like this. It happened in France and now French society allows Muslims to decide cases in court based on Sharia Law and not French common law.

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 4:42 pm on Sat, Aug 6, 2011.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    Oy

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 3:17 pm on Sat, Aug 6, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Joanne Bobin posted at 3:00 pm on Sat, Aug 6, 2011...
    Perhaps Mr. Baumbach has heard of a country, perhaps not "ruled" by the Vatican, but in many right wing conservative's minds, by Christianity. It is called the United States of America.

    Ms Bobin... Thank you for clarifying your position. You find equivalence in what people have in their “MIND” (conservatives minds as you put it) and Sharia Law which is enforceable in court in Sharia compliant countries.
    Honestly Ms Bobin... your position and conclusions you draw are remarkable. I do not think I need say anything. You said it all.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 3:12 pm on Sat, Aug 6, 2011.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    Joanne, I know it fuses your brain to read something that is fact and in direct contradiction to "The World According to Joanne Bobin" But ignoring the truth isn't going to make it go away. I hope you are writing BIG checks to the agencies that support illegal aliens because millions of American taxpayers like me are sick of doing so.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 3:06 pm on Sat, Aug 6, 2011.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    Darrell, there are places in America where Muslims are demanding that Sharia laws be integrated with the laws of America. This is in direct violation of out Constitution. If we let these people bully their way into our courts under the guise of religious freedom America will never recover from the onslaught radical Islam.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 3:04 pm on Sat, Aug 6, 2011.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    And really...please tell me that you did not get your information for the "Florida" case from "Bluegrass Bulletin," which is what I got when I Googled your "headline."

    Did you, perchance, read any of the comments from readers of this "prestigious" and "enlightened" online publication?

    Example: "That's a good idea lets send a Jew over to a Sharia judge to be tried."

    Really, Mr. Baumbach, you should screen your references a little more closely unless you actually agree with the racists that publish them.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 3:03 pm on Sat, Aug 6, 2011.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    Ahh Joanne, ever the mouth that roared. Too bad your roaring doesn't support anything or prove anything or disprove anything, All noise. What's wrong, don't you have anything to say about the Muslims that slaughtered the Catholics in their own church? I figured even YOU would be outraged about that, Maybe you aren't as "devout" as you claim to be?

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 3:00 pm on Sat, Aug 6, 2011.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Perhaps Mr. Baumbach has heard of a country, perhaps not "ruled" by the Vatican, but in many right wing conservative's minds, by Christianity. It is called the United States of America.

    As long as there are those who believe that this country was founded on Christian principles and should be ruled by Christian principles (to the exclusion of those of the Muslim faith, i.e., Herman Cain and his ilk), Christianity is the religion of favor here and there are many who believe that many of our laws should follow: No abortion, no birth control, no homosexuals, no homosexual marraige.

    Yes, there are many Islamic theocracies in the Middle East and elsewhere, but religion does not need to be elevated to a political state in order for its followers to conform to its edicts. Such is the case with Catholicism and Evangelical Christianity.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 2:40 pm on Sat, Aug 6, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Drew...The thing that frustrates me is that so many in our country see Muslims as hating our way of life. In high school and now college I see many of my peers adopting derogatory and racial slurs to refer to Muslims because they believed that they hated us and that is NOT okay...

    Drew... I am sorry that you have had this experience of peers adopting derogatory and racial slurs to refer to Muslims... I want to offer a thought. I think most people are good people and if like me, respect people who have “good “ at heart . I think most Muslim people in United States do have “good” at heart and deserve support, respect and admiration. Most have America's best interest at heart.
    However, the reason I bring up “Sharia”, and Muslims who live by it, is that these Muslim's generate the fear factor that many times result in your experience I'm afraid.
    I think most people who make these rude thoughtless comments fall into two camps. Some people are simply bullies and enjoy the conflict. These people are not a majority or worth feeling bad about. The other group say these things because they genuinely fear the violence and animosity that is demonstrated through Muslims who endorse Sharia law and do things like 9/11 and practice Jihad.
    Im not sure what the answer is but I hope you find comfort in the fact that people like you are respected and appreciated by most.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 1:56 pm on Sat, Aug 6, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Drew Izzo posted at 11:35 am on Sat, Aug 6, 2011....One thing to consider though is that there are many differing views on Sharia law in the Muslim community just as there are many differing views on Christian law...

    Drew... thank you much for writing such a thoughtful interesting post re Muslim faith and Sharia Law.
    I think you are a person many can learn from. Agree or disagree with you, your thought is reasoned and has merit.
    In reference to your comparison of Sharia Law and Christian Law, I would like you to comment on the following. I see Sharia Law and Christian Law as two completely different concerns. If you were to compare Muslim and Christian faiths, I would understand and see the similarity. However, I am not aware of any law case in USA history that won because it met Christian Law... However, in the Islamic world, Sharia Law is enforceable in court. Therefore there is a church/state concern.
    I do not fear any Muslim or Christian. I do however fear Sharia Law as it gives real legal enforcement of religious beliefs. How can we guarantee that Sharia Law will not get pulled into our court system.
    Look at the article printed online in 2011...
    March 21, 2011
    Florida Court Rules, Case To Proceed Under Sharia Law
    It wasn't long ago that the mere suggestion that Sharia Law would ever be applied by courts in the United States meant that you would be pegged as a right wing nut case and probably needed to be on the Department of Homeland Security watch list. Whose nutty now? A judge in Florida has now ordered it.

     
  • Doug Chaney posted at 1:41 pm on Sat, Aug 6, 2011.

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    Drew Izzo, finally the voice of intelligence and sanity speaks out. Thank you for an informative and intellectual comment.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 1:39 pm on Sat, Aug 6, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405


    Joanne Bobin posted at 12:28 pm on Sat, Aug 6, 2011...Maybe you've also heard of a sovereign city state called "The Vatican" that governs over one billion Catholics in the world …

    Ms Bobin... Since Sharia Law is woven into the fabric of various countries like Iran, can you please identify any country whose government has the “Vatican” law, as you call it,entwined in its government. Sharia Law is the third largest legal system in the world and has real political power.

    I hope you were joking when you compared Sharia Law to the Vatican in legal power. The Vatican does not “rule” anyone Ms Bobin. We are talking about a legal system integrated with a religious system.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 12:37 pm on Sat, Aug 6, 2011.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    And Mr. Chapman, with your smug attitude - the best you can offer is to comment that the Immigration Service should be present at a Taco Truck Competition with a big bus. And we are supposed to believe that YOU are an intellectual?

    Mr. Baumbach, if offering nothing more than his personal paranoia, has at least thought it through to his own satisfaction. Mr. Chapman is more like Pavlov's dog; the minute the "Hispanic" bell goes off, on comes the bigotry. I cannot find one post of his that offers something of the intellectual nature that Mr. Baumbach longs for from me.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 12:28 pm on Sat, Aug 6, 2011.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Since Mr. Baumbach obviously has a problem paying attention to those with whom he disagrees, I'm going to put the burden back on him to prove that Islam is the ONLY religion that is a combination of religious, legal, and political principals. Prove me wrong when I disagree, please.

    You have obviously ignored the Jewish faith that has both religious and political laws written in the Torah.

    Maybe you've also heard of a sovereign city state called "The Vatican" that governs over one billion Catholics in the world and also the Pope and the Holy See that make the laws for all Catholics. The same Catholic Church that launched the Crusades, supported the terrorist IRA in Ireland, slaughtered and conquered the natives of the Americas, all in the name of Christ.

    I was recently in a "hardware store" here in Lodi when I overheard one employee telling another, "We need to blow up all the Muslims in the US before they blow us up." That, combined with my WalMart experience two days ago - and that is only in the past week.

    And then you ask why I continue to maintain that there is a bigot around every corner in Lodi. Bigot or idiot. It's really a toss-up.

     
  • William Dawes posted at 12:26 pm on Sat, Aug 6, 2011.

    William Dawes Posts: 115

    E Plurbus Unum= One out of many is completely misinterpreted by the left wing and socialists/cosmopolitans

    It means a diverse group living in an homogenous culture based on the freedom of the individual. Islam creates a culture of inequality based on submission to the Koran, Sunnah, and Sharia. In other words, whatever Mohammad claims God said. He claims muslims worship the same God, yet Judaism and Christianity have equality and freedom of the individual, muslims don't.

    That is the problem with many traditional muslims. It isn't about coming to America to become Americans, it's a colonization process to slowly change the culture in THEIR image. You can see these changes everyday, slowly, but happening. You'll see news stories about how they should have their own Sharia courts like Britain let them have. If this happens here, we have no America.

    Sharia law supports a dictatorship and nothing less of a worldwide caliphate. It is nothing like Christianity which preaches equality in real life and you can see it on the streets. Christian women don't where things like muslim women do. Muslims women are not treated as equals under Islam or Sharia law.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 12:05 pm on Sat, Aug 6, 2011.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    JOANNE BOBIN, I know you love to post links that support your positions, here is a link to let you see what Muslims think of Catholics in Iraq.
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39945190/ns/world_news-mideast_n_africa/t/die-siege-baghdad-catholic-church/
    Religion of peace?

     
  • Drew Izzo posted at 11:35 am on Sat, Aug 6, 2011.

    Drew Posts: 3

    @Jay Samone
    Once again Jay you bring up a good point that highlighting differences caused by diversity can lead to division when one of the sides believes that it's differences lead it to be better than other. However you can't really refute the fact that there are going to be differences, but instead of calling each other names or out right telling the other sides they are wrong, accept that they are different and open a dialogue about how we can take those differences and come to an understanding. My best friend is a die hard Republican and even though we definitely don't see eye to eye on everything neither of maintains that the other is wrong, which allows us to communicate openly about those differences. It seems sad to me though that some (though those comments have been removed) would react so hostilely to an event that is simply seeking to promote understanding of Islam.
    @David Baumbach
    I was not referring to your comment when I stated that some claimed that one religion was better than the other, in fact I don't believe you've been hostile towards any religion in your comments. The comments I was referring to have since been removed. I do agree with you that Sharia law is not something that we want in this country, however if other countries in the middle east wish to practice this is it not their right? We cannot force Democracy upon others, it isn't our decision to make. However conversely it is not okay for them to force Sharia law upon another country. One thing to consider though is that there are many differing views on Sharia law in the Muslim community just as there are many differing views on Christian law. In the Bible it says that if a women commits adultery the community should stone her to death, but how many Christians really practice that (none I hope)? Some of the extremism that you see in the Middle East in regards to Sharia law I believe is more of a product of years of selective interpretation by extremists within the Muslim religion just as selective interpretation of the Bible by some led to centuries of prejudice against African Americans. Check this article out on the Sharia movement in Europe http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/feb/10/religion.law1. I totally do agree with you however that those who believe that Sharia law is the only valid form of law are not accommodating of others' values, but that is an issue that, as you said, transcends Islam. It would be prudent to note that ALL religions have members who believe that they're religious law is the final say and we should be wary of allowing any of that into our government, Sharia or otherwise. The thing that frustrates me is that so many in our country see Muslims as hating our way of life. In high school and now college I see many of my peers adopting derogatory and racial slurs to refer to Muslims because they believed that they hated us and that is NOT okay. Your discussion of Sharia law however is a valid and important discussion to keep in mind, but the the reason that I don't believe that the extreme elements of Sharia will ever take a widespread root in the Muslim American community is because the aggressive form of Sharia law which has developed in the Middle East was a response to the fact that there is no fair, uncorrupted government justice system in their countries. Will they still practice elements of Sharia personally? Most likely, but as long as those practices do not infringe on the rights of other citizens I see nothing wrong with that. I apologize if you thought that some of my earlier statements were directed at you as they were not.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 2:55 pm on Fri, Aug 5, 2011.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    Darrell, I wouldn't hold my breath. Her fingers are programed to only type "Bigot, Racist and Idiot". But who knows? Miracles do happen.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 1:44 pm on Fri, Aug 5, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Ms Bobin stated...Until then I cannot in good conscience stand by and allow that kind of garbage to go....... “UNREFUTED”.......

    At last Ms Bobin... this is what everyone has been waiting for for months... for you to finally refute “anything”... “something”... rather than simply call people names. This is very refreshing!!!!
    Now that you have admitted you think it is your responsibility, it is time to fulfill what you say should needs to be done....

    I know you have it in you Ms Bobin... Just click one key after another and soon your points will appear. Have confidence and determination. I'm sitting on the edge of my chair in anticipation of this historic occasion. Please hurry Ms Bobin. I'm sure it will be well worth the wait. If you have difficulty, let me know. I'd be happy to meet you at the library and give you a helping hand. For you, I will tutor you free of charge. Imagine Ms Bobin... free education for you from me. I know you will be pleased. After we finish, you will be able to refute everyone's points somewhat adequately. With hard work, someday you will be able to participate at the same level as the average poster here on line.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 12:49 pm on Fri, Aug 5, 2011.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    Joanne, according to you EVERYONE who posts on here is a bigot or racist. Just because their OPINIONS aren't in alignment with "The World According to Joanne Bobin" doesn't make them racists or bigots. Get real.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 11:54 am on Fri, Aug 5, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Joanne Bobin posted at 11:09 am on Fri, Aug 5, 2011...I've done it before and since you still rant on about Sharia Law, there is no point in repeating it since you have only one opinion on the subject.

    Wonderful... We have taken a step forward. You understand the topic. Yet, you have never articulated anything about my concern of Sharia Law and its relationship to the Islamic world. Ms Bobin, since you recall answering this topic before, it must be fresh in your consciousness. I think it is a figment of your imagination as you actually sound sincere in your claim. Why don't you educate us all why there should be no concern about Sharia Law. Why is it that you insist to discuss this topic and concern is to display bigotry or racism. I think it is people like you that attempt to silence conversation out of fear of this label is the obstacle to progress.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 11:21 am on Fri, Aug 5, 2011.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Paglia wrote: "And i disagree, Robert, I think the only way to deal with an over the top abusive poster is to report every post that is such. Maybe time away from these posts will grant a new appreciation for forum and respect for the fellow posters as well as an understanding of the rules."

    Report away, Mr. Paglia. Unless the LNS changes their outlook on ALL posters who are abusive, racist, bigoted, off-topic, liars, name-callers, obscene, vulgar, rude, etc., I doubt anything will be done. They seem to be very selective in deleting posts.

    I don't apologize for anything I say here. If the handful of posters who continually make racist and bigoted comments that have nothing to do with the articles or letters stop, then I will stop. Until then I cannot in good conscience stand by and allow that kind of garbage to go unrefuted. As a devout Catholic and Christian, neither should you.

     
  • Jay Samone posted at 8:05 am on Fri, Aug 5, 2011.

    Jay Samone Posts: 359

    Drew - I think the word "diversity" in itself promotes half of the problems and creates a negative connotation with the general public. We can all have different religions, but when you make your religion your ethnicity and expect people to accomodate your beliefs when you yourself don't accomodate - only condemn - it creates anxiety and tension between the two groups. This is why you have religious factions fighting against each other over in the Middle East and Ireland. Even in anceient times, it was the Romans against the Christians. Aside from that - yes - everyone can and should be different, but when you continously highlight those differences - expect hatred to continue.

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 10:44 pm on Thu, Aug 4, 2011.

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    Joe Baxter wrote, "I have half a hard drive on the islamic theocracy and their quest for world domination."

    Half a hard drive? Now you're just showing off, Mr. Baxter.

     
  • Drew Izzo posted at 7:46 pm on Thu, Aug 4, 2011.

    Drew Posts: 3

    @Jay Samone
    Perhaps diversity is the wrong thing to promote, a better phrasing would be unity in diversity because that is what being American is about. Christian, Jew, Muslim, Republican, Democrat, all of us are entitled to practice our diverse beliefs as Americans in an enviroment where none of the above is "better" than the other. It is when all those divers ideas come together to make something unique (like this country) that The United States is at it's finest. America is based on equality and justice in all things which is why any American-Christian, Jew, Muslim, Republican, Democrat-loves this country and why I find it EXTREMELY un-American that people call people un-American because they are different. E pluribus unum is what it says on the seal of The United States.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 7:34 pm on Thu, Aug 4, 2011.

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    Drew stated...To say that Islam is any less valid than Christianity or vice avers is simply ignorant ( nobody is saying this)
    I agree with Drew that this issue should not be approached with any kind of hostility and an open mind is appropriate. In turn, I would like Drew to be open minded as well. Islam and Sharia Law is a system of combining church and state. In our country, all religions have a separation of church and state. In France, Muslims migrated there with Sharia law not looked at in a serious manner. The French welcomed the Muslims understanding that Sharia Law was not part of the deal. Fast forward a decade... Sharia Law has now been accepted in France and Muslims have legal rights to abide by Sharia rather that French law.
    This is not about the Muslim faith alone. This is not about Islam alone. This is about the Muslims who believe Sharia Law is their law and other laws are not valid. I hope Drew has a open mind and will not put down others who think differently than him. He should consider the problems other countries are having with Sharia Law and that it would be easy that USA be influenced by this law.

     
  • Sam Heller posted at 7:15 pm on Thu, Aug 4, 2011.

    Sam Heller Posts: 176

    Drew, great comments. I love my Muslim friends and believe they are as American as I am... and I do love my country.

     
  • Jay Samone posted at 7:14 pm on Thu, Aug 4, 2011.

    Jay Samone Posts: 359

    IMHO - Promoting cultural "diversity" instead of cultural "unity" is what is weakening our nation. A place where everyone has to accomodate every one else promotes dissention, hatred and resentment amongst groups. Videos and presentations such as these only push individuals further from accepting each other. Each group seperate from others even further and it causes uprising and overthrown governments (not that it would be a bad thing right now, but I digress....) I don't agree with promoting diversity - everyone can be different, but we all live in the same nation and should be considered a UNIFIED culture.

     
  • Sam Heller posted at 7:12 pm on Thu, Aug 4, 2011.

    Sam Heller Posts: 176

    Lee Gill, great comment. Our diversity is what makes out country amazing.

     
  • Sam Heller posted at 7:10 pm on Thu, Aug 4, 2011.

    Sam Heller Posts: 176

    Linda Hammond, thank you for the great work you do for our community.

     
  • Drew Izzo posted at 6:26 pm on Thu, Aug 4, 2011.

    Drew Posts: 3

    Is the United States not about living in diversity? Our country would not be as great a nation if it weren't for the fact that we had so many innovations and ideas coming from so many cultures. To say that Islam is any less valid than Christianity or vice versa is simply ignorant. How many of you have talked to God recently and been told that either religion is THE FINAL answer? It is sad to me that Islamic extremists have succeeded in demonizing an entire group of people. Talk to service men and women coming back from Iraq & Afghanistan who have worked with the average Muslim who is helping them to eliminate terrorism in the Middle East. If you really look at your facts these "Muslim" terrorists have killed more Muslims than Americans. Just as the man who murdered so many in Oslo is no Christian, men like Osama Bin Laden are NOT Muslims. Both sides are guilty of crimes against the other (need I point out that the United States armed Osama Bin Laden, placed Sahdam Hussein in power and The Shah in Iran) and the only way to prevent more death on both sides is to come to try and understand the other culture, not call names or wholesale condemn an entire group of people as wanting to dominate the world and wipe everyone else out. Everyone one here has so far claimed to know what Islam is about, but I ask, do any of you have any Muslim friends? Ever engaged in extended dialogue with them that wasn't aggressive or racist? Ever attended a mosque? Ever actually read the Quran? How do you really know the religion then? Please, everyone who is on both sides of the argument, approach this debate with open minds and ears instead of aggression and hostility, you might be surprised what you find.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 3:25 pm on Thu, Aug 4, 2011.

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    Lee Gill posted at 1:36 pm on Thu, Aug 4, 2011... It's America. All races and religions. I remember when i was a kid i did not understand the people who were different than me.

    Good point Lee. I agree that we should all get along regardless of race or religion. When it comes to the Muslim faith however, it is different than all others in one way that makes it a concern where all other faiths are not a concern.
    What I am talking about is Sharia Law ( which is gods law).. This is not a faith or religion. If a person of Muslim faith follows Sharia Law, and the believe is that adultery is punishable by death for example, then it is the obligation of the Muslim person to follow Sharia Law. This marries church and state for Muslims since Sharia Law is building politics, religion and law into one system. Therefore, this is not a freedom of religion issue.
    According to Jan Michiel Otto( In Wikipedia) Professor of Law and Governance in Developing Countries at Leiden University, "Anthropological research shows that people in local communities often do not distinguish clearly whether and to what extent their norms and practices are based on local tradition, tribal custom, or religion. Those who adhere to a confrontational view of sharia tend to ascribe many undesirable practices to sharia and religion overlooking custom and culture, even if high ranking religious authorities have stated the opposite.

     
  • Lee Gill posted at 1:36 pm on Thu, Aug 4, 2011.

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    It's America. All races and religions. I remember when i was a kid i did not understand the people who were different than me. I did not want to accept them or associate with them. We live in a country where we are ALL supposed to get along. Live and let live. My views are different these days and I hope that people in all types of communities can learn to accept eachother. I hope the muslim community is teaching that amongst themselves.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 12:20 pm on Thu, Aug 4, 2011.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    I have to wonder how a "Understanding Christians" film would go over in Muslim country libraries? I think I know the answer.

     
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