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Gated communities in Lodi

Building barriers, not bridges?

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112 comments:

  • posted at 5:26 am on Sun, Nov 8, 2009.

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    Gator--You brought up Nampa, not anyone else WTF over??? I’m sure as hell not complaining about Nampa far from it.. If you were so interested inInvestment housing you would have bought in Eagle not Meridian. Loveyour Homi-fied Racist remark Why don’t you say what you mean, no guts??You didn’t mention Caldwell which is where you will find most of the trouble makers. Kind of like east side Lodi.. You see edumacation I live here you don’t. I know what we have you don’t . would I move? Absolutely not…You profess to be an expert on various subjects Education, Real Estate Etc. To me your as FOS as the Christmas Goose…

     
  • posted at 2:38 pm on Sat, Nov 7, 2009.

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    Gator--You brought up Nampa, not anyone else. Look at City-Data before you buy any house. It will be a good predictor of "homi-fied" areas and crime. I just bought a house in Meridian and there is a huge difference in everything. Compare Nampa, Boise and Meridian stats. Nampa is on the bottom of the heap---for investment purposes.The distance between Nampa and Boise is about the same as between Lodi and Valley Springs. Meridian is 1/2 way. Plus Lakeview is a great club.

     
  • posted at 4:04 am on Fri, Nov 6, 2009.

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    Gator 7:11 AM: I couldn't agree more.

     
  • posted at 4:04 am on Fri, Nov 6, 2009.

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    Leonard 5:14 PM: Thanks... And right back atcha! ;-)

     
  • posted at 1:11 am on Fri, Nov 6, 2009.

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    Come on people. Lodian and I were having a very reasonable discussion onthe subject at hand, Gated communities. Right ?? Now along comes the S*** disturbers with the same old sad song.. Your way off subject and veryboring…

     
  • posted at 7:54 am on Thu, Nov 5, 2009.

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    Brian wrote "I see Lodian is still in denial that any of her comments are of questionable or offensive nature"Brian: What comments do you think are of a questionable or offensive nature? This ought to be good.

     
  • posted at 7:47 am on Thu, Nov 5, 2009.

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    Aimee wrote 1. I don't respect you or your ideas2. I find you very annoying3. I don't care for you------------------I'm shocked! LOL!

     
  • posted at 6:34 am on Thu, Nov 5, 2009.

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    Aimee, what a coincidence. Those are the top 3 things that come to my mind about Lodian as well.

     
  • posted at 3:25 am on Thu, Nov 5, 2009.

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    Lodian wrote on Nov 4, 2009 1:11 PM:" Aimee: Since you are into being so righteous then why aren't you all over the acampo murder article/blog going after those bloggers? (rhetorical)It's really quite simple:1. I don't respect you or your ideas2. I find you very annoying3. I don't care for youIt's nothing you haven't heard before.

     
  • posted at 4:57 pm on Wed, Nov 4, 2009.

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    Brian wrote "And it may have stayed that way had you and your ilk not blurted out a lot of posters first and last names. Still in denial, madamme?"Brian: You've posted your full name and where you live. Don't blame others for your bad choices.

     
  • posted at 4:51 pm on Wed, Nov 4, 2009.

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    Brian wrote "I see Lodian is still in denial that any of her comments are of questionable or offensive nature"Brian: Your the very last person that should talk about being questionable and offensive here.

     
  • posted at 4:45 pm on Wed, Nov 4, 2009.

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    Gator wrote "After living here for 4 + years California is claustrophobicto me..."I can see what you're saying though there are still a lot of wide open spaces left in California. Unfortunately, they just cost more than Idaho land.

     
  • posted at 1:39 pm on Wed, Nov 4, 2009.

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    Lodian wrote,P.S. FYI, if you haven't noticed, we're all anonymous bloggers.-And it may have stayed that way had you and your ilk not blurted out a lot of posters first and last names. Still in denial, madamme?

     
  • posted at 1:36 pm on Wed, Nov 4, 2009.

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    Lodian wrote,You keep trying to pull things out of thin air and one would think you could do better since you're making it up as you go along.-I see Lodian is still in denial that any of her comments are of questionable or offensive nature.I fully acknowledge that I have digressed on occasion. I'll pray that Lodian overcomes her denial.

     
  • posted at 10:28 am on Wed, Nov 4, 2009.

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    Lodian as I said before the house was available where it was at. If it was a mile down the road and on an acre of ground like mine I would have boughtIt just the same.. After living here for 4 + years California is claustrophobicto me…

     
  • posted at 7:11 am on Wed, Nov 4, 2009.

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    Aimee: Since you are into being so righteous then why aren't you all over the acampo murder article/blog going after those bloggers? (rhetorical)http://www.lodinews.com/articles/2009/11/02/news/1_homicide_091102.txt.

     
  • posted at 6:57 am on Wed, Nov 4, 2009.

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    Aimee wrote "You comment about the rudeness of parents on Halloween night yet you have no problem being rude youself here, under the safety of a fake name."Not the same thing, Aimee. First of all, I have no idea if the adult Halloween trick-or-treaters are parents or not. That's another lie you're slipping in there, Aimee (again). Get it right. And secondly, since when is it rude to close my door and turn off my porch light on Halloween night? I give out more candy then you've probably ever seen in your life, as do my neighbors. Is that rude? Do you feel left out since I didn't answer the door when you rang? LOL! BTW, you can choose NOT to be here, read or blog and I won't think it rude of you to do so. Feel free.P.S. FYI, if you haven't noticed, we're all anonymous bloggers.

     
  • posted at 6:45 am on Wed, Nov 4, 2009.

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    Aimee wrote "Your "ignoramous" comment is a good example."Awesome! Then post it! And in context. I fully stand behind my comment. No problem.Now, since you brought it up, obviously you are supportive of the blogger that is proud he thinks/votes with his junk. No surprise there, Aimee. And, yes, he's an "ignoramus" for thinking with his junk.

     
  • posted at 6:37 am on Wed, Nov 4, 2009.

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    Of course our local government should NOT restrict the development of any further gated communities.

     
  • posted at 4:20 am on Wed, Nov 4, 2009.

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    The issues isn't one's personal preference about living or not living in a gated community. The issue is whether or not our local government should restrict the development of any further gated communities. I suppose if you currently live in a gated community the value of your home would be enhanced because further supply would be stopped. I wonder if that will cause a conflict of interest for Ms. Hitchcock?

     
  • posted at 4:07 am on Wed, Nov 4, 2009.

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    Lodian, I am more than capable of providing proof. I have done it before. All one has to do is to look at the current comments on here to find responses where you share your "opinions" about others. Your "ignoramous" comment is a good example. You comment about the rudeness of parents on Halloween night yet you have no problem being rude youself here, under the safety of a fake name. If having a sense of humor means I feel free to call names, then no, I have no sense of humor.If anyone else would like me to back up what I said, I will be glad to. Otherwise, I will try and leave this article on topic as much as possible.

     
  • posted at 3:53 am on Wed, Nov 4, 2009.

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    Gator: Your neighborhood sounds exactly like my neighborhood except we don't have a gate. I can't imagine what a gate would do to/for our neighborhood except cost us more money and make us feel claustrophobic. I don't see any way a gate adds security for the kids playing outside, especially when the gate is open all day. Like I said earlier, to each his own, and thank goodness there's a choice. As for me... I like wide open spaces... without gates.

     
  • posted at 3:43 am on Wed, Nov 4, 2009.

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    aimee wrote "And I refuse to junk up the comments on the board with a re-cap of your previous rude comments."If that's your opinion then why the heck do you keep addressing me? LOL!It's no surprise that you can't produce a single example of what you are so incensed about here. No surprise at all. You keep trying to pull things out of thin air and one would think you could do better since you're making it up as you go along.It seems you've got some personal issues to work through, aimee. You're obsessed or something. When you get thicker skin and a sense of humor I'd be glad to converse with you. Until then... Good luck as you sulk in the corner.

     
  • posted at 3:15 am on Wed, Nov 4, 2009.

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    Thank you for answering my question Lodian about your character.And I refuse to junk up the comments on the board with a re-cap of your previous rude comments. I've done it once before to showcase your blogging skills. I doubt anyone wants to see more of the same, since they experience it on a daily basis.

     
  • posted at 2:22 am on Wed, Nov 4, 2009.

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    Lodian.. Owners have no say who moves in.. CCR’s on the upkeep of the property keep things on an even keel. There are a lot of young families with children and they mix well with old farts like me.. in the four plus years I have never seen or heard of a squabble amongst the home owners. To methis is much ado about nothing and a little on the petty side. As for a falsesense of security, couldn’t be farther from the truth. People look out fortheir neighbors and you know when something just isn’t right…As for theKids they manage just fine. Sort of comes from playing outside all the time.As for traffic no one speeds through here and traffic is very minimal. WouldI do it again?? Maybe yes maybe no it would depend on the house, besidesI’m not moving…..

     
  • posted at 1:56 am on Wed, Nov 4, 2009.

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    Lodian is just stating her opinion - again and again and again...LOL

     
  • posted at 4:55 pm on Tue, Nov 3, 2009.

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    A question... Do the current neighbors get together and have to approve of anyone wanting to buy in the gated community? It seems to me that one could have the same jerk neighbor in a gated community as any other neighborhood as you can't discriminate.

     
  • posted at 4:53 pm on Tue, Nov 3, 2009.

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    Gator wrote "The gates are open all day and electronic at night. For kids it can’t be beat they have the run of the place, the only time there needs to be a adult with them is when they want to go to the lake."Gator: I really think there is a false sense of security in such a gated community. You say that the gates are open all day, so how does that keep the kids safer while they play in the streets? Just trying to understand why you like a gated community.

     
  • posted at 1:37 pm on Tue, Nov 3, 2009.

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    aimee wrote "And this is coming from a person who says she has no problem telling people to their face what she thinks, no matter how offensive her words might be but expects abject politeness from others."----------------Aimee, if I said the sky was blue you'd disagree with me. And when did I ever ask for your "abject politeness"? LOL! Next...

     
  • posted at 1:33 pm on Tue, Nov 3, 2009.

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    aimee wrote on Nov 2, 2009 3:23 PM:"Lodian, the difference between you and me is that I would find it in extrememly poor taste to tell someone who was simply citing their opinion about something that they are "ignorant" or an "idiot".------------aimee: Careful, your grudge is showing. Well, you must think all comments on these blogs are brilliant! lol! Point out where I said someone was ignorant or an idiot and you disagreed with me. Please be specific and with full context so we can all voice an opinion upon factual information and so we can check up on your honesty. Please include time/date stamp. That would be great. Thanks. Oh, and there are too many differences between us then can be counted here. Thank goodness!

     
  • posted at 1:19 pm on Tue, Nov 3, 2009.

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    Aimee: Yep... a guy that is proud of thinking with his "junk", and says his "junk" makes good decisions, deserves the name ignoramus.

     
  • posted at 12:45 pm on Tue, Nov 3, 2009.

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    Lodian This is the way it was, we lost the first home we signed for as it had12 leans against it. The Contractor failed to pay his subs. We looked at several and came up on one being built looked good!! I called my realtorAnd he came out saw the house and said there is one just like it in thisgated community by the same builder. The difference was the lake the stream and all the landscaping was done.. Turn Key.. Put in an offer and gotIt. The gated part just came with it.. Wasn’t looking for gated at all. The gates are open all day and electronic at night. For kids it can’t be beat theyhave the run of the place, the only time there needs to be a adult with them is when they want to go to the lake. My daughter lives on lakeshore not gated But the CCR’s are ridicules..

     
  • posted at 11:10 am on Tue, Nov 3, 2009.

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    It seems to me that, according to the natural progression of things, it is only a matter of time until "gun free" gated communities become the standard. People who will sign away part of their freedom are unlikely to cling to the rest of it.

     
  • posted at 10:16 am on Tue, Nov 3, 2009.

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    Of course not Lodian. How convenient for you to simply "forget" that you said that. I'm sure there are others on here that also remember you making that statement.Fine. Well, it's safe to assume that you reserve name calling for this site (love the "ignoramous" comment on the other article), safe behind a curtain of anonymity. It says a lot about your character.

     
  • posted at 8:50 am on Tue, Nov 3, 2009.

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    How many gated communities are there in Lodi? I can only think of two, the one at the corner of Lodi Avenue and Lower Sac. and the one in Rivergate. I've been told by local law enforcement that very simple practices will discourage burglars. A simple as keeping your doors locked. The bad guys can jump fences but there are too many easy marks out there and they don't have to take the chance in a gated community. I think it is absolutely ridiculous to restrict gated communities. (And no, I don't live in one)

     
  • posted at 6:54 am on Tue, Nov 3, 2009.

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    Gator: Your home sounds lovely, but could you not get the same lovely home without a gate and still be/feel safe and sound?

     
  • posted at 6:51 am on Tue, Nov 3, 2009.

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    Gator: Why do you feel safer with the kids playing outside when in a gated community rather than just a regular neighborhood... with the homes and people being almost exactly the same? Is it the actual gate that makes you feel safer? Criminals can climb. Do you know if there are actually any studies done on safety in a gated community as opposed to a regular neighborhood with neighbors that make an effort to know each other. We live in the later and see it as being quite safe. Do you think your old home on Nevins is in a bad neigborhood?

     
  • posted at 6:50 am on Tue, Nov 3, 2009.

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    Lodian the last job I had after I retired the first time was frequency checkingfor a wireless company. You drive every single street in a grid for a specificSite. The things I’ve seen would make your skin crawl. And yes even in Lodi.. Basically the things I’ve mentioned tend to be a very low priority forany city especially now days.. There were 2 places in Sacramento that hadLandlords that lived in other states and refused to comply with any cityNotifications. The City went in and tore down the houses cleaned the property and billed the owners.. But back to my reasons. Safe for my grand kids, little traffic, more real value than like homes out side . We have a lakewe don’t have to worry about and a stream behind my place full of Bass and ducks.. Works for me…

     
  • posted at 6:32 am on Tue, Nov 3, 2009.

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    I lived on Nevins dr. for 17 years and seldom did the kids play out side with out a parent sitting and watching. Here that is not the case. In the summer you can hear the kids playing till dark outside…In the winter some of theFathers pull the neighborhood kids around on inner tubes with their jeepsdo that in California some one would call CPS…Kids need to be kids offthe couch forget the video games and go play…

     
  • posted at 6:20 am on Tue, Nov 3, 2009.

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    Gator: The neighborhood problems you are concerned about seem like they would be covered with a HOA as well as some laws about junk cars in the drive etc. One doesn't have to live in a gated neighborhood to have an HOA. What else do you find appealing about a gated neighborhood? Is it security? Or maybe there is less traffic? I'm not sure, so enlighten me.

     
  • posted at 6:16 am on Tue, Nov 3, 2009.

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    Aimee (Nov 2, 2009 3:23 PM): I don't know what you're talking about.

     
  • posted at 6:08 am on Tue, Nov 3, 2009.

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    To each his own. Personally, I feel claustrophobic in a gated neighborhood. I suppose it depends on where (town/city) one lives in exactly. IMO, some people have a false sense of security in a gated community.

     
  • posted at 3:38 am on Tue, Nov 3, 2009.

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    Bottom line, it's about housing your children in the safest possible environment you can possibly afford. No logic-minded person can fault another for making that their primary intention.

     
  • posted at 2:19 am on Tue, Nov 3, 2009.

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    ElBombero Aren’t you special, I guess you wouldn’t give a rats a** if someone moved next door and proceeded to slob out the place, 2 or 3 cars at leastone that doesn’t run. Nocks 20-30% of the value of your home into the toilet. Gee I almost forgot at least 1 or 2 pit bulls for a status symbol andwith a chain collar for added effect. You just might like that. I don’t and I don’t intend to put up with trash like that.. Love your last remark. Life isFull of choices. I chose to work hard and have a life, I suggest you do theSame.. Jealousy really doesn’t become you…

     
  • posted at 8:44 pm on Mon, Nov 2, 2009.

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    I thought all you right wing gun nuts thought being armed to the teeth was "protection" enough, why you need the gates, too? Turns out your guns are only good for "accidentally" shooting your children or spouses. Or them, you. Let's build socialist homeless shelters right next to the gated communities.

     
  • posted at 1:52 pm on Mon, Nov 2, 2009.

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    Lodian wrote 11/1/09 Gator: Why do you desire a gated community in Nampa Idaho? Simple lodian Nampa like Lodi has people who see fitto let their houses go to hell, yards overgrown, overhauling cars in thedrive way. It’s called lack of self respect and no pride in ownership.So after I work my A** off, have a nice home that “WE” take pride inand consider it an investment and a place we intend to stay. Hell no Idon’t want any SOB like that moving in next Door. That answer yourQuestion lodian?? Hicks your name says it all…

     
  • posted at 12:12 pm on Mon, Nov 2, 2009.

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    Well I've lived behind a gate, and not behind a gate. One thing I've noticed about the gates, is they seem to annoy just about everyone, and don't keep anyone out.Also, I don't like to live with elitist jerks, and I think HOAs are stupid. So I won't live in a gated community.That being said. Lodi shouldn't ban gated communities. This is a property rights issue. People can do what they want with their own property.

     
  • posted at 10:19 am on Mon, Nov 2, 2009.

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    Aimee: Great observation. People who call others "idiots" have run out of talking points. They can't think for themselves.

     
  • posted at 10:18 am on Mon, Nov 2, 2009.

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    I don't want a gate on my neighborhood. I love crime.

     
  • posted at 9:27 am on Mon, Nov 2, 2009.

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    PS: What is "IN" today will be very out tomorrow. Without calling attention to your mistakes here in lodi, think, "rust colors", "avocado", "yellow/purple[1940's], "Tuscan", etc,etc,etc How about Gateway circle, Fairmont at Lodi Ave, Well, you know better than I do. Get out. How many bicycles do I see daily while driving ? One and on a good day, 3.

     
  • posted at 9:23 am on Mon, Nov 2, 2009.

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    Lodian, the difference between you and me is that I would find it in extrememly poor taste to tell someone who was simply citing their opinion about something that they are "ignorant" or an "idiot". You do that quite often on here, often with little or no provocation. You seem to have no problem pointing out to others just how "wrong" you think they are.And by the way, simply cutting and pasting my posts aren't going to win any arguments for you, rather it shows a lack of ready response. I think you can do better than that.

     
  • posted at 9:18 am on Mon, Nov 2, 2009.

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    Observer: Absolutely. I have family members who live in a gated community and they like it.To each his own, but not for me.

     
  • posted at 9:17 am on Mon, Nov 2, 2009.

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    Lodian: do you want me to find that article and post your exact words? I'm sure it's floating around somewhere in internet space.Sad you don't remember our conversation where I asked you if you would say the same things on here to a person, face to face, that the other would find offensive and you said "YES", you wouldn't be scared to voice your opinion. You were very forceful with your response, assuring all who read that you didn't have a problem with this.

     
  • posted at 9:16 am on Mon, Nov 2, 2009.

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    City planners.....do the LEAST THAT YOU HAVE TO DO AND THEN GET THE HECKOUT OF MY Tepee. You do not know whats best for all of us, you are as stupid as any college graduate who can barely spell.

     
  • posted at 8:05 am on Mon, Nov 2, 2009.

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    Aimee, I respect your desire to not live in a gated community. Do you respect the opinion of someone who chooses to live in a gated community?

     
  • posted at 7:22 am on Mon, Nov 2, 2009.

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    Aimee: I see that you are making things up again.

     
  • posted at 5:48 am on Mon, Nov 2, 2009.

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    Lodian wrote: "..but these rude people (ADULTS!!!) at my door every year make me want to shut off the porch light.."And this is coming from a person who says she has no problem telling people to their face what she thinks, no matter how offensive her words might be but expects abject politeness from others.

     
  • posted at 5:26 am on Mon, Nov 2, 2009.

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    Leonard wrote: "No, disgusting as I may find them personally, I do think people have the right to live where they choose. I would liken it to a drunks right to die face down in a pool of their own vomit, if they so choose.You certainly wouldn't catch me doing either in a million years."Leonard, I concur heartily with your statement.

     
  • posted at 5:09 am on Mon, Nov 2, 2009.

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    Take a look around community areas with high crime rates and see just how attractive iron bars on all the windows look. People should have the right to gate their property for protection. I have never seen a gated community that was an eyesore.

     
  • posted at 3:30 am on Mon, Nov 2, 2009.

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    Brian, why don't you just stop doing business with people who live in gated communities?

     
  • posted at 2:26 am on Mon, Nov 2, 2009.

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    Brian wrote on Nov 1, 2009 6:55 AM:" In general, I don't like gated communities. I get tired of having toget a gate code or check in with thegate guard. Most of the gated communites where I do service calls give me the impression of intoleranceand at any given time, a Burgermeisteris going to come around the corner with a list of the newest rules of the goulag.If you and I both agree about this, we must be right.

     
  • posted at 6:04 pm on Sun, Nov 1, 2009.

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    plus it has lots of trees i like the how it kinda has a nice palo alto feel to it

     
  • posted at 6:03 pm on Sun, Nov 1, 2009.

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    i would like to live in the old part of town i think it looks really nice and it has a safe feel to

     
  • posted at 5:58 pm on Sun, Nov 1, 2009.

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    gated communities are peoples ways of running from society, and i would say if i were a drug i would do it just like those asians did and grow weed in houses that are in a gated community because people are stupid enough, to not realize that a lot of the pot houses they found were in gated communities.STOP RUNNING FROM SOCIETY AND EVERYDAY ENCOUNTERS!!!!!

     
  • posted at 5:53 pm on Sun, Nov 1, 2009.

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    I think that gated communities are a lame way of people showing off there wealth, and why would you even want to live in one the regulations in them are so strict my moms friends family couldn't even put up a basketball court in there own front driveway. Man i didn't get a single trick or treater last night im so disappointed i left my gate open, I do it like a real lodian i live out in the country my fam didn't put up a gate for safety we did it fo sho with da fountain in the middle. Anyways the point is a gate is to attract people to luxury, Munson is contractor he knows what he needs to do those houses he built are really nice but small the price of them is high because the gate lets you raise the price because people are dumb enough to buy it if you want safety buy a gun and shoot the mofo, or just buy an alarm system like everyone else gates don't mean anything i can easily hoop it and find out the password from a friend.

     
  • posted at 5:41 pm on Sun, Nov 1, 2009.

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    educator wrote on Nov 1, 2009 5:51 AM:" I was against Gated-Communities until last night. Watching the Van-Loads of Diversity coming into our neighbourhood making it uncomfortable to take your own kids out, because of the mobs of people made me wish we had a gate. "I don't mind all of the people coming into the neighborhood for halloween if they'd all just remian polite and respectful.

     
  • posted at 5:29 pm on Sun, Nov 1, 2009.

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    Gator wrote "I live in a gated community."Gator: Why do you desire a gated community in Nampa Idaho?

     
  • posted at 5:26 pm on Sun, Nov 1, 2009.

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    gatemom 3:46 PM: I too live in an area where a lot of cars/vans drive in on Halloween night, park, and walk the neighborhood. That's totally fine, but I see many that are NOT polite. Maybe they don't care because it's not their neighborhood?? It gets really old every year. I loooove handing out candy to the kids, but these rude people (ADULTS!!!) at my door every year make me want to shut off the porch light early... but they don't respect that either. What's the deal?? I've talked to the neighbors and they have the same experiences on Halloween. Well, as long as the good outweigh the bad we'll keep giving out truckloads of candy.

     
  • posted at 3:25 pm on Sun, Nov 1, 2009.

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    KenH- "...you don't have to discriminate against people who don't. "Fine business, but you can descriminate, if its your own property. Strip Malls descriminate all the time... "...No loitering, no panhandling, shoes and shirts required. Restaurant menus say..." Minimum order at tables is...? Or NO SUBSITUTIONS". Descrimination is part of the human condition. What the nanny state wants to do is determine HOW and Who should descriminate. One of the posters who was upset about these comments actually stated, they (trick or treaters) must be polite..?Where and how? Who selected whom to decide personal decisions.If you haven't taken a bath in a week, don't bother to apply for employment for my firm. Is this descrimination? Yes, do I want to scare away my customers with stink? NO! This (bathless lifestyle) is common in Lodi among some groups.

     
  • posted at 3:13 pm on Sun, Nov 1, 2009.

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    This town is truly out of touch with reality. I think its harsh to see that people "on the other side of the gates" are scum of the Earth, to the people who live within the gates.Need I remind people that Little Tommy who lives within the gates could become the next kid that pulls a Columbine style attack, versus little Johnny who lives in the back alley could become the next president of the US?Stop judging people by how they look, where they live, or what kinds of cars they drive. If you feel comfortable living in your gated community, so be it, you don't have to discriminate against people who don't.

     
  • posted at 1:43 pm on Sun, Nov 1, 2009.

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    Journey 11:42- Good comments. I have experienced the same myself. It isn't just local government nannies who pull off this stunt! Its the local developers and Realtors who need the churn. As long as poeple are selling and buying, they are happy. Another name for it is "block busting". Many thought that federal equal housing legislation stopped block busting, but it has only gotten worse.The Plan: Build a development of magnificently overpriced "estates" and tell buyers they are in an exclusive community. When you are ready to pounce, you build an "affordable housing community nearby". What does that attract, no money down flippers, the jobless, welfare queens, and the secret weapon? Group homes (mini jails for juvenile criminals) . Those residents closest to these affordable houses quickly get tired of watching the menagerie of life forms and sell quickly, especially if they have lots of equity. They will sell to ANYONE--including three families! The hood is now gone.

     
  • posted at 11:54 am on Sun, Nov 1, 2009.

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    "gatemom", I guess that's what makes this "Lovable Livable Lodi" or something like that.

     
  • posted at 11:24 am on Sun, Nov 1, 2009.

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    You don’t like gated communities then don’t live in one. If I don’t want yourRusty *** wandering around my house that’s just the way it is….There areNo cars on blocks rusting away, no oil stained driveways people take prideIn their homes and yards. Last night the gates were kept open and kids fromAll over. black, Brown white what ever came and I would say 95% ofAll homes had their lights on. We gave out around 5 big sacks of candy. MyGuess around 200 kids hit our door…It was fun for all…

     
  • posted at 11:19 am on Sun, Nov 1, 2009.

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    gatemom: "...I only ask that they are polite.." You should be proud of the diversity in Lodi! We have diversity of ethnicities, languages, skin shades, and a diversity of criminal acts.Question: How do you determine...ONLY that they are polite? If you don't understand their language, mannerisms or custom. I saw a few "masks" last night that had nothing to do with Halloween. Burqas are not Halloween masks, yet in MY culture it is rude to hide your face, look away and grunt. Especially if I KNOW that they don't celebrate the holiday. They just want to bring shopping bags and load up with candy. So I gave those folks a selection of DIVERSE treats including packets of Jello, fried Pork rinds, and for the Vegans - dried peas ,lentils, seeds and nuts. Oh yes---you should be proud of the diversity in Lodi. Didn't the FBI find a terrorist cell (convicts went to PRISON) here in 2005? Oh well, thats diversity.

     
  • posted at 10:40 am on Sun, Nov 1, 2009.

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    Tosh Con--- i agree 100%.Educator---Many drove miles to "Trick or treat" looking for next weeks meals. One small child walked up---the mother standing some distance away exhorted "...mumble mumble unknown language ... She have three sister and two brother...They candy...! Say what---where do YOU live?There was a swarm of them getting out of vans and trucks. None of these people live within two miles of here.My own take. Gated communities should always be an option for safe streets. I also recommend NO SIDEWALKS. Sidewalks are used frequently by the derelicts and malcontents. Can you imagine driving several miles, just to get out a walk a few blocks on a sidewalk? I have NEVER seen anyone walking on a sidewalk out here. If I do, they are suspicious and I call 911. If you want to live here, bring money first. Look at the 17 mile road near Carmel. The access fee keeps out the Rif Raff and homeless. Imagine a 20 million dollar house, overlooking a "homeless camp" on the 13th green. No recyclable cans here---GO!

     
  • posted at 9:46 am on Sun, Nov 1, 2009.

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    The comments about "van-loads of diversity" on Halloween really irks me. Maybe those families want to bring their children out to trick-or-treat where they feel safe?! I live in one of those areas and I will happily pass out candy to whomever knocks on my door. I only ask that they are polite. I cannot stand the horrible racist attitude in this town. Lived here my whole life and just cannot believe that it still exists in the 21st century. Maybe some day before I die it will change. One can hope.

     
  • posted at 3:08 am on Sun, Nov 1, 2009.

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    I live in a gated community. The Gates are open from 0700 to 2100 every day. The streets are maintained by the home owners association. WaterFor lawns and gardens are paid for by the same. People from other neighborhoods walk through all day long because of the lack of traffic.All houses are on 1 acre sized lots and with no privacy fences. ChildrenCan play in the street because of little traffic and people here watch outFor one another. I spent 17 years living in Lodi and the lack of childrenPlaying out side was very noticeable and sad.. I will take where I live andThe sound of happy kids playing outside…

     
  • posted at 2:42 am on Sun, Nov 1, 2009.

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    At the end of the day, it all comes down to this, it seems: Money. I live in a lovely community in Marin. Expensive. Nice. My place there is old and tiny...I could buy a new mansion in the valley for what its worth. But the community is wonderful. People seem intelligent, courteous, law-abiding. Crime is practically non-existent. We walk on lonely mountainous neighborhood streets at the base of Mt. Tam at night...no worries. Its paradise. But bring sacks of money. Hey- that's life. Its not unfair...its the way it goes. Two miles north, the situation is entirely different- an enclave of less fortunate folks in a growing communitywhere, well, I wouldn't want to live. Forget those evening walks in the dark.But by comparison- prices are dirt cheap there. I think this is the same situation out here in the valley, indeed, everywhere. Its not rocket science.

     
  • posted at 2:13 am on Sun, Nov 1, 2009.

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    One can liken countries to gated communities. I have to say we do have to strive to maintain a certain amount of sovereignty. Now, how it is gone about is the question.

     
  • posted at 1:34 am on Sun, Nov 1, 2009.

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    Yeah Leonard, I get what you mean....kinda like pseudo intellectuals blogging on newspaper websites thinking they're just a little bit better than anyone else.

     
  • posted at 1:59 am on Sun, Nov 1, 2009.

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    If you folks want to live in a place with busy bodies looking out thier windows all of the time to see that you are not breaking some silly rule, that's you're choice, but PLEASE stop raceing down my street well over the 25 mph speed limit to hide behind your gate! There are kids playing out here also!

     
  • posted at 1:55 am on Sun, Nov 1, 2009.

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    In general, I don't like gated communities. I get tired of having toget a gate code or check in with the gate guard. Most of the gated communites where I do service calls give me the impression of intoleranceand at any given time, a Burgermeisteris going to come around the corner with a list of the newest rules of the goulag.

     
  • posted at 12:51 am on Sun, Nov 1, 2009.

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    I was against Gated-Communities until last night. Watching the Van-Loads of Diversity coming into our neighbourhood making it uncomfortable to take your own kids out, because of the mobs of people made me wish we had a gate.

     
  • posted at 10:13 pm on Sat, Oct 31, 2009.

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    this is too rich, coming from the same group of people. You say you don't want the government saying you can/cannot have a gated community, but yet you ask the government to block a Super Wal-Mart from being built. My, my, my, the irony. ;-)

     
  • posted at 2:10 pm on Sat, Oct 31, 2009.

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    Observer wrote on Oct 31, 2009 6:47 PM:" Leonard, are you talking about the "freedom" to choose whether to live in a gated community or not?No, disgusting as I may find them personally, I do think people have the right to live where they choose. I would liken it to a drunks right to die face down in a pool of their own vomit, if they so choose.You certainly wouldn't catch me doing either in a million years.

     
  • posted at 1:47 pm on Sat, Oct 31, 2009.

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    Leonard, are you talking about the "freedom" to choose whether to live in a gated community or not?

     
  • posted at 1:42 pm on Sat, Oct 31, 2009.

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    The gated communites in the PHX metro area tend to be so restrictive you can barely have visitors because of the limited parking.

     
  • posted at 1:32 pm on Sat, Oct 31, 2009.

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    Leonard, Don`t rag on anybody that would want to live in a gated community, is your idea of a gated community a large corral to keep the cattle in.

     
  • posted at 12:20 pm on Sat, Oct 31, 2009.

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    Patricia wrote on Oct 31, 2009 9:40 AM:" I would move into a gated community in a heartbeat if I didn't have so much invested in my "planned community" home that was supposed to eventually be a gated communityThat sounds like trading one hell for another.

     
  • posted at 12:17 pm on Sat, Oct 31, 2009.

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    Others, detest it so much that they pay extra to have it taken from them.

     
  • posted at 12:17 pm on Sat, Oct 31, 2009.

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    Some people treasure freedom. Some value it so little that they just give it away.

     
  • posted at 11:09 am on Sat, Oct 31, 2009.

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    journey:Yea...

     
  • posted at 11:06 am on Sat, Oct 31, 2009.

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    So, still. it is us and them...How spiritual...

     
  • posted at 9:50 am on Sat, Oct 31, 2009.

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    All of the phrases like "walkable communities" and "lifestyle centers" are a bunch of bull dung. Just who is going to walk to the grocery store and carry home their heavy load of bags? Let developers build gated communities, it's a supply & demand world.In the mean time I'm going to start selling those "Grandma Carts" to my neighbors so they can walk to the grocery store.

     
  • posted at 9:45 am on Sat, Oct 31, 2009.

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    Lodi government social engineers need to get real. This isn't Kansas anymore.

     
  • posted at 7:13 am on Sat, Oct 31, 2009.

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    I ***do*** agree with you regarding mixing low income housing with better markets...it doesn't work. I'm originally from the Bay Area and where I lived, you had the "nice" part of town, the "over the tracks" etc.; then I moved to Stockton for a while where you couldn't tell what was what....everything was all jumbled up. At least here in Lodi, we still have the "sections" of town...even though I technically live on the "bad" side.But, like I said, if those who want to live in gated communities choose to do so; go for it....but the 'security' features in any true community are all pretty much what you describe i.e., who belongs there and who doesn't.

     
  • posted at 7:13 am on Sat, Oct 31, 2009.

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    journey wrote: "...it's not just the gates, it's the fact that everybody knows who belongs on the streets and who doesn't. In addition, there's the Neighborhood Watch program, video surveillance, home security alarms, and a number of trained and armed residents."I live on the East Side (oh no!) and, oddly enough, what you have outline also applies. Believe me, I know who "should be" on our street and who shouldn't. I also have contact with LPD any time there is suspicious activity...and the guy I usually speak to, follows up.

     
  • posted at 6:53 am on Sat, Oct 31, 2009.

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    Please......let the free market make the determination if a gated community is built or not. This is absolutely ridiculous. I do not live in a gated community but I would like to have the option if I ever chose to move. Let's not make Lodi some sociological experiment.

     
  • posted at 6:47 am on Sat, Oct 31, 2009.

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    wtf........it's not just the gates, it's the fact that everybody knows who belongs on the streets and who doesn't. In addition, there's the Neighborhood Watch program, video surveillance, home security alarms, and a number of trained and armed residents. Believe me, our kids are safer in a gated community than outside one when playing out in front on the street. When a car drives by that doesn't "fit" any number of neighbors are out the door watching.

     
  • posted at 6:42 am on Sat, Oct 31, 2009.

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    Captain.....I bought a nice home in a nice neighborhood in the 70's. One day some government "social engineer" decided it would be a good idea to mix in low income family housing and it was downhill from there. Our homes lost value, vandalism and break-ins began, and we all ended up selling. Leave it to the government to decide what's good for the rest of us.

     
  • posted at 6:16 am on Sat, Oct 31, 2009.

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    Gated communities seem to me, to be a waste of money to those who live there; however, if you choose to be told what to do and how to live in your "castle" that is definitely your choice along with a ***false*** sense of security.A thought to ponder: Gates keep the "riff-raff" out; but they also keep people in....meaning they can become potential prisons....like shooting fish in a barrel. LOL!

     
  • posted at 5:05 am on Sat, Oct 31, 2009.

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    I live in a Delta area remote enclaveof just 100 homes surrounded by farmland and water. The only (and rare) crime we have is from outsiders who sneak in here after dark..auto thefts, burglaries. etc. I'd love it if the one lonely road that comes in here had a gate and a sentry. When the poop hits the fan in this country someday (an I think it will) you better believe we'll install one!

     
  • posted at 4:59 am on Sat, Oct 31, 2009.

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    If a community is all on private (not muni) property those owners absolutely should be free to gate their own property.After all- it is theirs- not public property. Other forms of gating already exist. How about "financial" gating?...where only rich people can afford to live? Should the Government force "projects" into places like Belevedere, Tiburon??? So I agree with many other posts- Allow Gating on PRIVATE PROPERTY.

     
  • posted at 4:48 am on Sat, Oct 31, 2009.

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    PS: If I want "diversity",I will shop at Food 4 Less on Sunday.

     
  • posted at 4:47 am on Sat, Oct 31, 2009.

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    Nanny, nanny, nanny government, always trying to decide what is best for us. The reasons listed in this article against gated areas are psychbabble and crap. Govt, get out of our lives.

     
  • posted at 4:44 am on Sat, Oct 31, 2009.

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    Those without nice homes & property will always PREY upon those that do! If I had financial stability I would like to keep the "Rif-Raf outside that gate, not breaking in and stealing what I have acquired! A walking path thru a gated well to do group of homes? Wow! The perfect crime scenario!

     
  • posted at 4:40 am on Sat, Oct 31, 2009.

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    I would move into a gated community in a heartbeat if I didn't have so much invested in my "planned community" home that was supposed to eventually be a gated community, but strings were pulled, and it never happened. I feel cheated. We now have 70% rentals which hinders loans for buyers who would consider living here. Our HOA does a good job, but the orignal draam is dead.

     
  • posted at 4:10 am on Sat, Oct 31, 2009.

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    "...they create barriers within a city and restrict interaction with a wide range of people." That is exactly why we buy in gated communities.

     
  • posted at 4:05 am on Sat, Oct 31, 2009.

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    I live in a gated community in a master plan and we have statistics to prove that gates assist in keeping crime to a minimum. However, when I want to take a look at homes in a neighboring gated community, I just wait for a car to go through and follow them on in. This is where Neighborhood Watch comes in. If someone follows me in through our gate with a U-Haul I pick the phone up and dial the appropriate authority -- just to make sure. I like the gates AND the HOA as they work together to keep the neighborhood consistent and liveable. I would not purchase a home without both -- anywhere in the country.

     
  • posted at 3:32 am on Sat, Oct 31, 2009.

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    People have way too much time on their hands. "When people are in gated communities, they have less of a chance to meet people who are different from them, especially socio-economically, he said."Duh, that's probably why they live there in the first place. If people want to live in a gated community, get a job that pays enough to live in one. If you can't, then that's a reflection of the choices you made in life. Don't punish those who worked hard to be more fortunate than others. There are enough run down places in Lodi, leave the nice areas as they are!(And no, I don't live in a gated community)

     
  • posted at 3:10 am on Sat, Oct 31, 2009.

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    wsdavis...That was my thought as well. I don't live in a gated neighborhood, but would like to. I've had friends that did and always liked the "safe" feeling they gave.Like Alicia Robinson said...There are plenty of areas for people to walk and bike. What is the point of making a new neighborhood a walking and biking destination???

     
  • posted at 12:44 am on Sat, Oct 31, 2009.

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    If you take away the gated communities, the home owners are just going to start putting wrought iron fences around there own personal property. I would rather see a gated community instead of each house have there own gate system. I think you should keep the gated communities and let more be developed. You take that away and people will move out of Lodi.

     
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