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Posted: Sunday, March 23, 2014 10:04 am

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16 comments:

  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 11:16 pm on Sun, Mar 30, 2014.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2357

    But you wouldn't describe C.J.'s treatment as anything less than humane, would you?

    Humiliated he is not; neither is he being harmed by the painting which I would expect to be nothing more than non-toxic water colors.

    On the other hand, I'd be most interested in learning how anyone (with a straight face) could determine if the horse is not only "unhappy," but is "VERY unhappy." (My emphasis added just for fun, maybe even to cheer C.J. up a little. Who knows, maybe he's a descendant of world-famous "Ed" and capable of controlling a television and telephone.) But he is by no means being even "way too close to abused" as Ms. Hosman opines earlier.

     
  • Ed Walters posted at 7:45 pm on Sat, Mar 29, 2014.

    the old dog Posts: 548

    That horse doesn`t have a clue, have you ever been to a slaughter house, cows are not very smart since they just stand there and let it happen, Little kids get their face painted at fairs, so whats the big deal.

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 10:10 am on Sat, Mar 29, 2014.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 2027

    I didn't ascribe happy or sadness to the horse's appearance. I described the look as bored.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 8:43 am on Sat, Mar 29, 2014.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2357

    As I am somewhat convinced that this conversation is just about over, I thought it appropriate to make a few closing comments about "animals."

    C.J. is a horse - an "animal." I have always believed that they should be treated humanely - not humanly. This means they should be treated with the dignity reserved for animals: depending upon their purpose, their lives should be afforded every decent act up until their lives are ended.

    Horses are usually used as pets, transportation and for entertainment. We don't like the idea of using them as food products, but there are those around the world who do. Cows and others in the cattle group are used to nourish us: from milk to hamburger, steak and prime rib. Yummy! Of course the manner in which they meet their deaths would sicken most of us, some to the point where we'd give up consuming them (at least for awhile).

    The thing is - they are ANIMALS. They exist solely to serve human beings. C.J. here - at least on this one day - served as entertainment and as an educational prop. Some lament the small enclosure he was suffering inside. Well, that was temporary; probably for not much more than a few hours or even a few days. It was hardly mistreated, even when the children were invited to use it as a living canvas.

    I have two dachshunds, both of whom mean a great deal to me. As a single person, they provide company and a level of companionship that help make my days much more enjoyable. I realize that they are often cooked and eaten in other countries, but because of how I feel about dogs and cats as domestic pets I would never knowingly consume one. But just like C.J., they are animals, not human beings. Would I risk my life to save them? You betcha I would, but not in favor of saving the life of another human being had they all been in the same burning building.

    Finally, our lives would be much different without these animals. As a staunch believer in God and in Jesus Christ, I believe that we've been provided these creatures to make our lives better and to permit us to live longer and happier. I also believe those who would mistreat any animal to be wrong - that's why I see little difference between dog fighting and horse racing - both activities can result in the untimely death to the "contestants." BOTH activities exists to not only entertain, but to make people monetarily richer.

    Thank you LNS for affording me this opportunity to rant about animals.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 4:34 pm on Fri, Mar 28, 2014.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2357

    It is so sad those who simply cannot differentiate seriousness from tongue-in-cheek.

    That being said, Mr. Paglia: do you really believe from this one picture you can determine the happiness/sadness level of this horse? After all, he's just standing there as most other horses/ponies/cows and other livestock might in the fields they call home on farms scattered about the Central Valley of California.

    After all is said and done regarding this one silly story, C.J. appears to be living the life of Riley, no?

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 1:01 pm on Fri, Mar 28, 2014.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 2027

    Here is my take on the pic. The horse id getting attention, it looks playful and gentle. I would suspect the horse may have enjoyed it or been indifferent to it. What I suspect was bringing it down more than anything was being in that tiny cage for a long time. Try spending 4-5 hours in a half bathroom and you might understand. The horse looks bored to tired in the cage to me.

    Jerome, horses and cows and animals in general may not be able to smile BUT they do convey emotion through body language. How their ears, eyes, tail, head and stance are all convey their emotions. They are possible to pick up on, but the observer has to be aware of the indicators.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 12:29 pm on Fri, Mar 28, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Really, Mr. Kinderman, did you absolutely HAVE to take your comments in rebuttal to mine and Ms. Hosman's to the point of ridiculousness just because I seem to irk you with every comment I make?

    The question here is whether this poor little pony (or horse, as it is referred to in the caption) should have been used as a canvas for little kids and what the POINT of the whole exercise is in learning about horses in general.

    Overall, CJ looks just about as happy as the ponies forced to walk around in circles with little kids on their backs that they've had at the Downtown Farmers Market last year and the pony rides at various kiddie parks. Exploitation of these animals for profit is, I suppose, the American way.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 11:54 pm on Thu, Mar 27, 2014.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2357

    I've driven on country roads in this area and have come across all manner of livestock standing around - but mostly cows and horses and I love both. I have yet to see any that appeared to be "unhappy." Of course I never thought they could exhibit emotions through facial expressions. I'd certainly love to see a smiling horse/cow as I would love to get a picture of one.

    Still, I suppose there are those here who might suggest that the dogs and cats owned by my family over the years must have been terribly humiliated when dressed up in doll clothes for fashion shows - especially if the males were somehow mistakenly forced to wear dresses or other gender specific outfits. Oh the shame of it all!! A logical question regarding this issue might be what statistics exist insofar as animal suicides are concerned due to such loss of pride after subjected to this kind of human mistreatment/torture.

    Now as far as this little pony is concerned, I've looked closely at his/her features and now I do wonder why the long face (tee-hee!). But my final conclusion is that C.J. must have truly enjoyed the attention from these youngsters as I doubt the animal can even see what they're doing!! Unless of course someone would have been so thoughtless that they showed the pony a snapshot caught on their iPhone/iPad.

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 6:31 pm on Wed, Mar 26, 2014.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 2027

    The conversation was about "Humiliation" not "Humility".

    And f you think mistreated animals can't lose all pride (the definition of humiliation) then I really hope you don't have any animals under your roof.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 5:06 pm on Wed, Mar 26, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Might I suggest to Mr. Lauchland that just because "humiliated" has 3 letters in common with "human" makes it in no way a verb that only applies to humans. That is just plain silly.

    And yes, it is possible to HUMILIATE an animal by treating it in this ridiculous manner. "We're (sic) there tears in its eyes?" I don't know, Mr. Kinderman - I don't even know if horses cry, but if they could, this one should have. It certainly looks VERY UNHAPPY.

    And from past comments, "humiliation" seems to be a word that doesn't apply to humans either in your world.

    This was simply a stupid exercise for the WW museum to have even supported.

     
  • Ted Lauchland posted at 1:52 pm on Wed, Mar 26, 2014.

    Ted Lauchland Posts: 255

    I truly do not believe humility is in an animal's emotional capability .

    Hu - mility , Hu - man. Get it , got it ?

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 9:17 am on Wed, Mar 26, 2014.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2357

    Is this what a humiliated horse looks like? It doesn't look any different than other farm animals I've seen. We're there tears in its eyes?

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 9:14 am on Wed, Mar 26, 2014.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2357

    While I seriously doubt that the horse was in any way "humiliated" by this project, it does seem rather strange. It would have made better sense to give the kids some poster boards and let them draw and/or paint a picture of the horse.

     
  • Lisa Hosman posted at 3:15 pm on Tue, Mar 25, 2014.

    Stuck_In_Lodi Posts: 5

    I agree with Joanne. This is coming way to0 close to Animal Abuse in my opinion. Please don't do this again. It's wrong. Look at the poor pony. He is humiliated.

     
  • Ted Lauchland posted at 2:16 pm on Tue, Mar 25, 2014.

    Ted Lauchland Posts: 255

    I am sure the horse loves the attention and the kids practice staying inside the lines - ha. Lessons in no fear on both accounts. Typical farm day experience with a twist. I doubt dogs or cats would sit still long enough to be painted on. They would be too busy sloppin' yer face.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 1:41 pm on Mon, Mar 24, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Seriously? What does painting directly on a horse have to do with the study of horses? How humiliating for the poor animal.

    What's next? Painting on dogs and cats at the animal shelter?

     
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