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134 comments:

  • posted at 7:53 am on Tue, Sep 30, 2008.

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    Lets get one thing straight, the ULC Monastery is not a tax dodge. They have no 501.c.3, meaning they pay full taxes and are free to have a political voice.Just because your reading of the bible tells you that homosexuality is wrong, doesn't mean that's the way everyone reads it. If you endorse the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, do you support Lot's incest that occurs thereafter?

     
  • posted at 3:31 am on Sun, Sep 28, 2008.

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    What about polygamy? Should that be legalized in the US as well? It is a loving relationship between loving people as well?

     
  • posted at 6:57 pm on Sat, Sep 27, 2008.

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    Gay people deserve the right to marry. This is a commitment between two consenting adults.

     
  • posted at 3:42 pm on Sat, Sep 27, 2008.

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    ("Lodian wrote on Sep 23, 2008 7:11 PM:" I guess I have my answer. Nothing else changes, as far as the yellow streak running down your back").let the record show, lodian chickened out of answering the question, as she always has, so i decided to use her OWN words against her, with a slight modification.lodian "thinks" because this blog disappears tonight, she can "pretend" she didn't read it, and didn't "have to" respond.it's what "they" always do

     
  • posted at 8:10 am on Sat, Sep 27, 2008.

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    lodian, a couple of posts ago you demanded that someone answer your challenge. when no one else but rhodie and i did, you spilled your tears all over the board, and complained that no one wouldn't.i ask you one simple question, to qualify your position by explaining the perceived "rights" of child molesters, and you AND billy chickened out of that one.it's ok. i always love exposing your weak position, that you can't make a stand based on truth, but on people and agenda.i can appreciate why people of your ilk don't like me, because i actually have the tools/guts to take your phony position, and highlight it's hypocrisy for all the board to see.it's what i dopeople that have a strong position in life can actually defend it. hitting and running and lying ISN'T a "defense"

     
  • posted at 8:02 am on Sat, Sep 27, 2008.

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    marriage...consenting....commited...adults.....loving......civil rightsall-terms-used-to-"pretty up"-sin.according to God, there is nothing "loving" about sin, no matter what spin you put on it, no matter if the two people involved actually ARE commited to stay together for a long period of time in an exclusive monogamous relationship.....it's still sin before God, and therefore any aspect of it ISN'T "loving", it's totally unacceptable.as a society, you do NOTHING to make that happen. your an accesory to the crime if you do. NO ONE has the "civil right" to sini challenge anyone to demonstrate a time in history where God-ever-high-fived-homosexuality.your in quite a predicament lodian, because YOU came on these boards claiming your a "Christian". so if that's true, then YOU need to demonstrate that Christ ok'ed homosexual sex of any kind. your in a predictament because if you try to, you will be caught lying about it, because he/bible NEVER did. if you chose people/agenda over truth, you prove your not a Christian.either way, your up integrity creek without any KIND of paddle, before you even enter the water, and obviously you can't "swim"

     
  • posted at 7:48 am on Sat, Sep 27, 2008.

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    no they don't lodian.the highest "law" of the land is Gods standards, and Gods standards say it is a sexual sin, and therefore ANY aspect of homosexuality, "married" or otherwise, is against Gods standards. if you say it isn't, you can show me ONE example anywhere in the history of the world, where God "ok'ed" homosexual sex of ANY kind.....you-can'tin the bible there is not ONE example that homosexual sex is "ok".leave out the religious arguement altogether, your position is still rejected by the norm of society. only in the last decade or two, has homosexuality become more "accepted", and that's only beacuse people are folding like wimps over the "PC" issue. no where in history has homosexuality EVER been "acceptable".the ONLY reason liberal bent people are even giving into the faux "acceptance" of homosexuality at this time, is so that they can sell themselves the notion that THEY can pick and choose what morality is, instead of what God states. the liberals, giving homosexuality a high five, so THEY can do whatever they want.neither will suceed. NO-ONE-has-ever-fought-against-God, and-won.you-won't-either

     
  • posted at 7:05 pm on Fri, Sep 26, 2008.

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    Gay people deserve the right to marry. This is a commitment between two consenting adults.

     
  • posted at 3:17 pm on Fri, Sep 26, 2008.

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    civil rights?whatever happened to the challengers of civil rights to address the floodgate arguement, that grown men wanting to have sex with children because to them it's "love"? they demand their "rights"what's the matter, can't get yourself to come to the table straight across the board?it's not a "rights issue", it's a morality issue. morality that stands completely outside of "God" even. the whole of society polices morality, which is why a grown man having sex with children is immoral.a morality issue because the world has recognized throuhout it's existence that homosexuality is IMmoral.case closed

     
  • posted at 8:14 am on Fri, Sep 26, 2008.

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    TichMarie wrote: "...What is NOT allowed under our Constitution is for our government to enact religious doctrines into law -- particularly not where it affects civil rights like the right to marry."This is not about the Establishment Clause. This matter concerns the 14th Amendment and the right for similarly-situated persons to be treated equally.

     
  • posted at 6:46 am on Fri, Sep 26, 2008.

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    Billy Rubin wrote on Sep 26, 2008 5:32 AM:" Have you seen the commercial for Tide detergent in which two people are trying to talk, while the stain interrupts shouting gibberish at the top of its voice, Lodian? "Billy: YEEEEES!!!! Too funny! So true....

     
  • posted at 12:32 am on Fri, Sep 26, 2008.

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    Have you seen the commercial for Tide detergent in which two people are trying to talk, while the stain interrupts shouting gibberish at the top of its voice, Lodian?

     
  • posted at 6:27 pm on Thu, Sep 25, 2008.

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    ("Lodian wrote on Sep 25, 2008 1:44 PM:" Billy: Simply, NO! Rhodie attempted a response, but failed").what lengths people have to go to, to lie about what really happens in here, and in history.if you have to lie, you don't have a position to beging with.these blogs make me yearn for that day when there will be no liars about Gods truths without conscience.that day will be a beautiful amalgamation of truth and rejoicing, where the voices of those that challenged Gods truths will be silent.that factor alone will bring real peace

     
  • posted at 6:21 pm on Thu, Sep 25, 2008.

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    doesn't have as much to do with "gay people", as it does with the erosion of the definition of morality PERIOD. name anything else connected to the morality issue, the cumulative effect is still IN effectcracks me up lodian, you claiming to be a "Christian", when all you have ever done in these blogs consistently over a long period of time is make excuses FOR the opposite of Gods stated standards.your a phony.some piece of work you two are.....having to lie in order to say something "doesn't exist". laughing. laughing yourselves all the way to moral bankruptcy "court".both of you make it a "rights" issue, yet neither one of you integrity ain'ts can answer why it wouldn't be "right" if a grown man wants to legally have sex with an underage boy. you won't answer it, because your position is a joke.mea gulpa. i shouldn't have used the man/boy reference, as it probably incited a mental riot inside billy's already twisted world. my badso you can answer it lodian. you won't, because your full of it

     
  • posted at 8:44 am on Thu, Sep 25, 2008.

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    Billy: Simply, NO! Rhodie attempted a response, but failed. No one can give any real reasons why they think any foundations would crumble if prop 8 fails. It's all just a big dramatic fit they throw because they have some deep seeded issues with gay people.

     
  • posted at 3:57 am on Thu, Sep 25, 2008.

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    Lodian -Were you satisfied with the explanation you got about what all of the other foundations are that will crumble?

     
  • posted at 3:10 pm on Wed, Sep 24, 2008.

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    depends on the circumstances...if you were the one that caused the problem, and bailed for "greener pasteurs", then you are the one that will face the consquences of doing so.not unlike anything else in life, there are consequences for bad choices in ALL of life. some now. some later. some throughout eternity. the worst "payment" is the one they will pay for thinking "it only involves me".i watched in the last year, as a friend of mine completely flushed his life and integrity down the drain over a relationship with a younger woman outside his marriage. that "love" (as he tried to justify it) didn't work out, now he is all alone, after flushing his relationship with his wife and kids down the drain.i hope for your sake, you aren't in the position you are in, because YOU went looking for a "better deal".people that have that transient "better deal" mindset are never satisfied......about anything.the ONLY true satisfaction in life, is a God directed life NON DEPENDANT on anyone/anything

     
  • posted at 10:05 am on Wed, Sep 24, 2008.

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    Actually I've been divorced twice. Yep, i did it again. I'm with someone new now.

     
  • posted at 6:21 am on Wed, Sep 24, 2008.

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    NO. sometimes divorces are justifiable, but only as per Gods standards.the ONLY sin that cannot be forgiven, that sends a person to hell, is the rejection of Jesus Christ until you die.there is no "second chance" after you die.any sin short of that, you will realize thru the circumstances of your life, however God chooses to use those circumstances to teach you not to do it again.

     
  • posted at 7:52 pm on Tue, Sep 23, 2008.

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    I'm divorced. I don't regret the divorce. Am I going to hell?

     
  • posted at 4:24 pm on Tue, Sep 23, 2008.

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    not true.just because no one besides rhodie and i answered, doesn't mean "nothing changes". it would change all rightyou always did pretend that truth would disappear, if you lied about it enough.here is another example of your agenda dreaming.btw, you claimed in other blogs that you were a "Christian". if you really were, you would have read the ending of the BOOK, where God deals with the fallout of the proposition 8 type "reasons".truth stands alone. it doesn't need "numbers" to make it true , or not

     
  • posted at 2:11 pm on Tue, Sep 23, 2008.

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    I guess I have my answer. Nothing else changes.

     
  • posted at 2:10 pm on Tue, Sep 23, 2008.

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    To anyone here that has not answered yet: What other foundations would possibly crumble if Proposition 8 fails?

     
  • posted at 5:54 pm on Mon, Sep 22, 2008.

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    just so you know....the post before this, i was talking about lodian

     
  • posted at 3:09 pm on Mon, Sep 22, 2008.

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    just like i said.....hit and run artists.Ya, that's what ----> I <-----thought.

     
  • posted at 6:40 am on Mon, Sep 22, 2008.

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    lodian, you have a right to be demanding on this one. i owned up to it, and answered your question. i think it's tragic that others won't step up to what should be a slam dunk.rhodie did say earlier (i think in this blog about this subject matter) that if this prop fails, it will open up the avenue for lawsuits against churches who don't want to perform "marriage" ceremonies for gays. if my memory serves me correctly (as it usually does), rhodie asked you a question pertaining to those statements, and you chickened out of answering him.what gives? you can "demand" everyone answer you, but you feign memory loss when someone challenges you?i know why. hit and run 101

     
  • posted at 5:26 am on Mon, Sep 22, 2008.

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    Ya, that's what I thought.

     
  • posted at 10:54 am on Sun, Sep 21, 2008.

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    .....To Ken Owen (or anyone else here that has not answered yet): What other foundations would possibly crumble if Proposition 8 fails?.....

     
  • posted at 10:53 am on Sun, Sep 21, 2008.

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    ...To Ken Owen (or anyone else here that has not answered yet): What other foundations would possibly crumble if Proposition 8 fails?...

     
  • posted at 10:51 am on Sun, Sep 21, 2008.

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    Robb wrote on Sep 21, 2008 3:28 PM:" Go in peace, my brother... "He will never know peace.

     
  • posted at 10:51 am on Sun, Sep 21, 2008.

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    To Ken Owen: What other foundations would possibly crumble if Proposition 8 fails?

     
  • posted at 10:28 am on Sun, Sep 21, 2008.

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    Go in peace, my brother...

     
  • posted at 9:24 am on Sun, Sep 21, 2008.

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    i know this, if homosexuals get their way in november, it will open up a hell hole big enough you can drive a busload of immorality right thru it, without any "speed bumps" to stop it.next in line will be man/boy "love", all under the same guise as "civil rights".when those happen, God will keep his word and judge us, this great country that let standards slip away."as God goes, so goes the nation"."blessed is the people whose God is the Lord".you don't even want to know the plethora of verses that deal with what happens with a nation that turns it's back on God. first there is a gentle "nudging" of judgement aimed at "reminding" who is in charge. the second phase is more on the wammo scale.we are inching closer to the second phase, having IGNORED the first.think multi billion buyout "

     
  • posted at 9:22 am on Sun, Sep 21, 2008.

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    Lodian wrote on Sep 21, 2008 12:39 AM:" As per Ken Owen's statement, what other foundations would possibly crumble if Proposition 8 fails? (bump) ").i already answered it. you want to play the bump game, i am down...the slide of mankind repeated in the next realistic real world post.winner winner chicken dinner----->

     
  • posted at 9:20 am on Sun, Sep 21, 2008.

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    ("Lodian wrote on Sep 21, 2008 1:00 PM: I can't imagine sitting in church listening to this man or being anywhere near such hate. Aren't these very hateful types usually the ones that come out of the closet next? I wonder what his next statement will be to the public. ")>this is why i oppose your lying garbage.your a purposeful destroyer of all things righteous, and unless you repent of it, you will pay a terrible price for doing so.i will bet that 100% accurate historical statement didn't even ding your non conscience.funny how you sell yourself as a "Christian" in here, when your FIRST move toward ANYTHING Godly is one of destruction EVERYTIME you get the chance.your an "ain't"see non-hypocrite, that's how you tell the TRUTH. if sin and evil are present, you don't shake their hand, and hand them a key to the city

     
  • posted at 9:14 am on Sun, Sep 21, 2008.

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    lodian, i so look forward to the day when your sick lies catch up with you and overtake you.in your truest form, your jumping all over edwards ASSUMING he hates gays, when he said nothing of the sort.he said he wouldn't "MARRY THEM".it's your consistent display of a sick heart, that you would run so easily to a lie in order to destroy a persons character straight away when there is NO evidence to convict edwards of the crime you accuse him of. at least with you, you leave a trail of evidence a mile long.like i said, YOUR the poster child of the left, who can't defend their postion(s) in life, so they resort to lying about people.he NEVER said he hated gays, he said he wouldn't "MARRY THEM". if he would have said it, i sure would have busted him for it.your lying has no boundaries, because it's who you are.it's your usual weak game with the lying "hate" card.good luck on judgement day. your "nose" will arrive long before you do

     
  • posted at 9:05 am on Sun, Sep 21, 2008.

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    non-hypocrite wrote on Sep 21, 2008 12:38 PM: As a community religous leader and as president of a lodi rotary club;Maybe you should do the Four-Way test and see for yourself!IS IT THE TRUTH?IS IT FAIR TO ALL CONCERNED?WILL IT BUILD GOOD WILL AND BETTER FRIENDSHIPS?WILL IT BE BENEFICIAL TO ALL CONCERNED?)"as a "community religious leader", you SHOULD be more concerned with what God thinks, rather than what man thinks. if it is your goal to bind people together, that is a good goal. however, if you sweep aside what God thinks in the midst of accomplishing that goal, then you are not doing Gods bidding, your then a -----> "community secular humanist".the "4 way test" is unbiblical. at least the last three are. Godly truth isn't determined by whether or not the outcome is "favorable" to anybody. since when does God ever alter truth over peoples feelings and circumstances?he doesn't.you speak the truths about God, and let God divide it up."PC" Christianity is killing off Gods truth/voice among secular society.

     
  • posted at 8:00 am on Sun, Sep 21, 2008.

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    I think all that attend Century Assembly Church, where Dale Edwards is pastor, should think long and hard before they return to such a church. Edwards comments are very enlightening on exactly what kind of charcater he has and how hateful he can be. I can't imagine sitting in church listening to this man or being anywhere near such hate. Aren't these very hateful types usually the ones that come out of the closet next? I wonder what his next statement will be to the public.

     
  • posted at 7:55 am on Sun, Sep 21, 2008.

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    non-hypocrite: Very well said.

     
  • posted at 7:38 am on Sun, Sep 21, 2008.

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    Dear Dale Edwards,Congrats on your 60th BD and 40th wedding anniversary!!In response to your notable quote published on Friday 19th "it will be a cold day in hell before I marry a homosexual couple"As a community religous leader and as president of a lodi rotary club;do you think your personal beleifs about gay marriages encourage and foster the ideal of service? WE THINK NOT!Maybe you should do the Four-Way test and see for yourself!IS IT THE TRUTH?IS IT FAIR TO ALL CONCERNED?WILL IT BUILD GOOD WILL AND BETTER FRIENDSHIPS?WILL IT BE BENEFICIAL TO ALL CONCERNED?Have a nice day.

     
  • posted at 2:33 am on Sun, Sep 21, 2008.

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    real facts, you have been such an inspiration to me, thank you, my brother..

     
  • posted at 7:43 pm on Sat, Sep 20, 2008.

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    "It will be a cold day in hell before I marry a homosexual couple."— Dale Edwards, senior pastor, Century Assembly, LodiIf Dale Edwards is okay with this kind of response being printed in the newspaper I wonder what he must be saying when he's preaching to the choir.

     
  • posted at 7:39 pm on Sat, Sep 20, 2008.

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    As per Ken Owen's statement, what other foundations would possibly crumble if Proposition 8 fails? (bump)

     
  • posted at 7:02 pm on Sat, Sep 20, 2008.

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    let's just seperate and highlight this to make sure it get's it's proper attention.**************************************rhodie wrote; "So, Anthonyandrea, you tell me should churches and religious oganizations be sued into submission by the homosexual legal activists? "

     
  • posted at 7:00 pm on Sat, Sep 20, 2008.

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    ("Lodian wrote on Sep 20, 2008 11:40 PM:" As per Ken Owen's statement, what other foundations will crumble if Proposition 8 fails? ").i dunno, your going to have to ask him yourself as far as what he meant.i know this, if homosexuals get their way in november, it will open up a hell hole big enough you can drive a busload of immorality right thru it, without any "speed bumps" to stop it.next in line will be man/boy "love", all under the same guise as "civil rights".when those happen, God will keep his word and judge us, this great country that let standards slip away."as God goes, so goes the nation"."blessed is the people whose God is the Lord".you don't even want to know the plethora of verses that deal with what happens with a nation that turns it's back on God. first there is a gentle "nudging" of judgement aimed at "reminding" who is in charge. the second phase is more on the wammo scale.we are inching closer to the second phase, having IGNORED the first.think multi billion buyout

     
  • posted at 6:48 pm on Sat, Sep 20, 2008.

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    ("Robb wrote on Sep 20, 2008 9:32 PM:" I have to thank real facts, after reading his blogs here, I have become an ordained minister with the universal life church, and plan to marry as many same sex couples as possible... thanks my brother.... ").you do realize that if God does have standards, and you color outside those lines, you can never blame me for doing so?on the other hand, if you chose to go full speed ahead of those standards, by all means, your the one that has to pay the price, should their be a price to be paid.fair warning. you can't go against history robb, and the "universal life church" has ditched true history a long time ago in favor of God DIS-honoring secular humanism, and attached the word "church" in order to accomplish tax free status while doing it. smart business move, but they are NOT...."a church"doing something you think is noble, sometimes turns out to be the worst thing you could have ever done. given the eternal implications, this is such an expenditure

     
  • posted at 6:40 pm on Sat, Sep 20, 2008.

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    As per Ken Owen's statement, what other foundations will crumble if Proposition 8 fails?

     
  • posted at 5:37 pm on Sat, Sep 20, 2008.

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    ("Lodian wrote on Sep 20, 2008 8:16 PM:Ken Owen: You cannot blame the high divorce rate between a man and a woman on the fact that gay people want to marry. ").and he was right on the money. thanks for helping our side of the coin lodian.what ken owens was keying on is the homosexual agenda ISN'T about comittment, it's about legitimizing the behavior. if homosexuals can pass themselves off as "family/comittment oriented", then they can pull the legitimate card out of their arsenal of tricks.it is obviously not true with every homosexual, but the vast majority of them are not worried about comittment, as sex is their main aim, instead of a relationship. homosexual relationships are much more transitory than heterosexual relationships.gays getting "married" isn't going to reduce that fact.the homosexual agenda is one about acceptance. by any means necessary

     
  • posted at 5:08 pm on Sat, Sep 20, 2008.

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    Anthonyandrea: "So that leads me to ask you this simple question, why is it so important to ban gay marriage if you are straight?"Read through these:http://americansfortruth.com/news/homosexual-legal-bullies-latest-target-eharmonycom.htmlhttp://gcmwatch.wordpress.com/2007/07/20/gay-christian-wins-suit-against-bishop-for-discrimination/http://www.christianpost.com/article/20080710/gay-man-files-70m-suit-against-bible-publishers-over-homosexual-verses.htmThese are BEFORE the vote. What happens after the vote if same sex marriages are legalized? No religious organization will be allowed to follow it's own doctrine without lawsuits popping up. Schools are already being sued to make teaching homosexuality manditory including books aimed at kindergardeners.So, Anthonyandrea, you tell me should churches and religious oganizations be sued into submission by the homosexual legal activists?

     
  • posted at 4:32 pm on Sat, Sep 20, 2008.

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    I have to thank real facts, after reading his blogs here, I have become an ordained minister with the universal life church, and plan to marry as many same sex couples as possible... thanks my brother....

     
  • posted at 3:26 pm on Sat, Sep 20, 2008.

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    Thanks for the responses everyone. But of course we are still seeing the same kind of responses one would expect. I do suppose we all judge in one way or another but when it comes down to a marriage and or civil union between two people whether they be gay or straight should be NONE of yours or my business. So that leads me to ask you this simple question, why is it so important to ban gay marriage if you are straight? Does it make you feel insecure? Perhaps you should leave the judging to our lord almighty and trust in your heart that you are making the right decision.

     
  • posted at 3:16 pm on Sat, Sep 20, 2008.

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    Ken Owen said "Marriage is one of the foundations of our society. Many other foundations will crumble if Proposition 8 fails."Ken Owen: You cannot blame the high divorce rate between a man and a woman on the fact that gay people want to marry.

     
  • posted at 9:26 am on Sat, Sep 20, 2008.

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    ("Ross Farrow wrote on Sep 20, 2008 10:21 AM: Anthonyandrea: I would also like to hear from more pastors. But this is a touchy subject, especially in Lodi. I sought comment from pastors who I thought might oppose Prop. 8. Three of them appear in this story. One pastor declined to comment; others didn't return calls over a two-day period. ").as a Christian, i DO NOT respect any man or woman that bases their response/comment on whether or not it gets them in "hot water". alot of these pastors seem to run away from arena's like this to me it's an opportunity to take a stand for what God says about something, but these guys are worried about filling pews. at least that's what it appears to me.it is never about popularity, money or the amount of people that can fill your church. if those principles are what motivates you, you should turn in your "certificate" and go sell amway. you are there to represent God in ALL matters, not just the warm and fuzzy ones. if you can't do it, then you are failing God in your representtaion of him.

     
  • posted at 9:19 am on Sat, Sep 20, 2008.

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    ("Lodian wrote on Sep 20, 2008 1:57 PM:The divorce rate was already at 50% before gay people were allowed to marry. The divorce rate doesn't have anything to do with gay marriage. ").your right. it's pathetic within the church as well. the statistics supposedly aren't any better.like i said a ton of times in here, anytime you or somebody else wants to discuss ANY sin, other than homosexuality that keeps coming up on these blogs, then YOU write a letter to the LNS so we can. if your afraid to do it lodian, get one of your "other handles" to do it for you.but if anyone thinks they can steer the ship in another direction by utilizing their myriad-topic deflection games in order to legitimize homosexuality, it won't happen. not in here it won'tyou cannot use white out on Gods standards, and "pretend" they wil go away

     
  • posted at 9:12 am on Sat, Sep 20, 2008.

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    what pastor edwards said was good and bad.good that he isn't going to budge for anyone based on the principles of God to not make any aspect of homosexuality "acceptable".bad, because it seemingly lacked any compassion for gays. "seemingly", because i am giving him the benefit of the doubt that within his statement of being adamant, he "might have" stated it to quick and harsh. i don't know the guy, but i wouldn't defend him if he doesn't have compassion for those that struggle with homosexuality.which reminds me.....it is incredible to watch the amount of people in here that will lie/twist peoples words while "defending" their position. pastor edwards did NOT say gays are GOING to hell. but someone twisted his words and then the "integrity giants" jumped on board.you people throw stones, yet you have ZERO problems lying on purpose if it suits your agenda. sickening

     
  • posted at 9:04 am on Sat, Sep 20, 2008.

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    if someone would read the rest of the passages in matthew 7, they would see that the passages are instructing the believer TO judge, but judge righteously.people quote only a portion of that scripture in an attempt to silence people, not really caring what the passage really says.

     
  • posted at 8:58 am on Sat, Sep 20, 2008.

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    "It will be a cold day in hell before I marry a homosexual couple." Dale Edwards, senior pastor, Century Assembly, LodiWow! I wonder if this pastor always articulates himself this way.

     
  • posted at 8:57 am on Sat, Sep 20, 2008.

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    Ken Owen said "Marriage is one of the foundations of our society. Many other foundations will crumble if Proposition 8 fails."The divorce rate was already at 50% before gay people were allowed to marry. The divorce rate doesn't have anything to do with gay marriage.

     
  • posted at 7:22 am on Sat, Sep 20, 2008.

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    Anthonyandrea, to quote from the great Indigo Montoya, I do not think that means what you think it means. The reality is, we "judge" others to some extent every day of our lives. I mean, think about it. Have you ever done jury duty? Have you ever hired someone? Have you ever listened to a political candidate and thought, "he's lying"? Have you ever had someone babysit your kids? Congratulations--you've made a judgment.The degree to which judgments is appropriate is, of course, up for discussion--especially in the context of gay marriage. But let's not allow our desire to prove a point lead us into the trap of making misleadingly absolute statements.

     
  • posted at 7:15 am on Sat, Sep 20, 2008.

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    Billy - thanks for clarifying.

     
  • Ross Farrow posted at 5:21 am on Sat, Sep 20, 2008.

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    Anthonyandrea: I would also like to hear from more pastors. But this is a touchy subject, especially in Lodi. I sought comment from pastors who I thought might oppose Prop. 8. Three of them appear in this story. One pastor declined to comment; others didn't return calls over a two-day period.

     
  • posted at 3:59 am on Sat, Sep 20, 2008.

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    I am a religious person myself but find it saddens me to see that those who are opposing gay marriage might as well oppose the bible as it states clearly "Do not judge lest you be judged. "For in the way that you judge you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you. (Matthew 7:1-5)This is from Pastor Edwards verbatim:"It will be a cold day in hell before I marry a homosexual couple."— Dale Edwards, senior pastor, Century Assembly, LodiPLEASE TELL ME WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE?????? And please if there are any "religious leaders" from Lodi reading these comments I would like you to address this issue for us.

     
  • posted at 2:18 am on Sat, Sep 20, 2008.

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    dogs, i know you can read, so maybe if you cut back on the "medication" it would help.let me know if there is anything else i can help you with

     
  • posted at 5:04 pm on Fri, Sep 19, 2008.

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    real facts you state that the earth is only 1,4000 years old, explane the cavemen and the drawings on the cave walls that go back 1 million years. I`ll make the question easy for you, since a 5th grader makes you look silly.

     
  • posted at 4:26 pm on Fri, Sep 19, 2008.

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    ("dogs4you wrote on Sep 19, 2008 8:27 PM: I would suggest you watch the History channel and get caught up to date").i do watch the history channel.it's a surreal experience watching interchangeable historical "truth" in HDTV.some people in here aren't smarter than a fifth grader, but even you know you don't believe everything you see and hear.true history without agenda. THAT should be everyones aim. unfortunately, it's not

     
  • posted at 4:18 pm on Fri, Sep 19, 2008.

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    ("dogs4you wrote on Sep 19, 2008 8:27 PM: " real facts--- get your facts together. are you serious by saying that the earth is only 1,400 years old?").for the third time now, i said the bible was written over a 1,400year span. i DIDN'T say the earth was 1,400years old.i will play nice, and believe that you didn't/don't understand the word "span". span is a term i used to describe HOW LONG it took to write it. now do you understand what i said?next time, don't let an agenda get you so excited, that you read right over what somebody HAS said.for the record, scientific evidence supports the biblical record of the earth being thousands of years old, not millions.so i DO "have my facts straight"

     
  • posted at 3:27 pm on Fri, Sep 19, 2008.

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    real facts--- get your facts together. are you serious by saying that the earth is only 1,400 years old? I believe the diosours`s wondered the earth durning a period that dates back to millions of years ago, and proving that man was on earth for hundreds of thousands of years. I would suggest you watch the History channel and get caught up to date. Your a couple of hundred of millions of years to late. The Egyptians date back 5000 years. To believe the bible was written over a period of 1,400 years, take a look at when Christ was crusified, something like 2,000 years ago. Get your s*** and ages together.

     
  • posted at 2:54 pm on Fri, Sep 19, 2008.

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    ("Lodian wrote on Sep 19, 2008 4:13 PM:" voter: I guess Mormons are okay with polygamy, but not gay marriage. ").if you ever speak a truth apart from your "damage" agenda, i will probably drop dead. is that enough of an incentive for you?while i believe mormonism is an obvious cult, i will defend their honor to a degree, because MOST of the entirety of mormonism condemns polygamy. sliver groups are responsible for polygamy.you knew that, and lied about it anyway.it's who you "ain't"that's good though, because now YOU are the face of my 7:41pm post. like i said, you guys can't pick the truth over agenda.thanks for confirming that :)

     
  • posted at 2:48 pm on Fri, Sep 19, 2008.

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    ("TichMarie wrote on Sep 19, 2008 2:55 PM: The Bible ALSO says that a man can sell his daughter into slavery (check Exodus)'.instead of making that blanket statement, why don't you qualify that statement by actually referencing chapter/verse. then we can "discuss" why it doesn't say what you imply it says.you game? (probably not. hitting and running inaccurate "biblical accounts" is at an all time high in here).

     
  • posted at 2:41 pm on Fri, Sep 19, 2008.

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    ("kaycee wrote on Sep 19, 2008 12:54 PM:" Since when do we love someone when we agree with them and hate them when we don't?").it demonstrates the left's weakness, by having to lie about what's taking place in order to silence those that oppose their agenda. if they can turn it into "hate", they can silence the opposition.anytime you have to lie, you don't have a position to begin with.twisting the facts is well within the scope of their operation. saying literally anything to reach their goal.i laughed earlier when somone pulled the "racism" card out. it's what "they" do.

     
  • posted at 2:34 pm on Fri, Sep 19, 2008.

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    ("4AStrongLodi wrote on Sep 19, 2008 11:51 AM:" I'm so glad I was fortunate enough to grow up going to St. Paul's, where they don't try to use the Bible to exclude people from basic rights...or have so much hate towards anyone "different").your right,...."they don't use the bible".that's their problem. preferring to filling pews, than replicating what God actually thinks about a subject matter.there is nothing "loving" about giving a free pass to sin. it's being an accessory to the crime of sin, by sweeping it under the rug.modeling Jesus Christ is what matters most, and Jesus Christ NEVER allowed sin to go unchecked.speaking out against sin that God himself has designated IS sin, IS loving. maybe you can build your case about it being "hate" or the "denial of basic human rights" if you can show ONE scripture that ok's homosexual sex in any form. whatever st. paul's says about homosexuality is not gospel, unless it mirrors the gospel.for years i have asked someone to show ONE scripture that high fives homosexual sex.....nothing.

     
  • posted at 2:23 pm on Fri, Sep 19, 2008.

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    ("dogs4you wrote on Sep 19, 2008 11:34 AM: A bloger maintains the Bible has been around for 1,400 years, man has been on earth for millions of years").not true. the earth isn't anywhere near that old. now with the latest and greatest scientific tools available to mankind, the earths age supports the biblical account of it only being "closer" to several thousand years old. what i really like about Gods word, is that you can't challenged it from any angle, and come out good on the other end.if you are going to challenge a position, you should read what your challenging alot more slowly. i said that the bible was written over a SPAN of 1,400(=/-) years. i didn't say it was 1,400 years old.

     
  • posted at 2:15 pm on Fri, Sep 19, 2008.

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    Hi, JD.I'm not in a postion to make sweeping demands of that scale - it is, to borrow a phrase, above my pay grade. That was only my opinion.Many churches unabashedly endorse and fund-raise for parties, politicians, measures and propositions and it is happening now; Prop. 8 is a political agenda. I'm for keeping churches OUT of politics and politics OUT of churches. Churches who do not wish to marry ANYONE, for ANY reason, MUST have the right to decline the ceremony. It is the STATE who must, by its Constitution, provide equal treatment for all its citizens and currently "Civil Unions" do not.

     
  • posted at 2:10 pm on Fri, Sep 19, 2008.

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    If your gay your gay and not much can be done to change that. The Castro district in SF puts on a show every year where as gays don`t help their cause by kissing and hugging in the middle of Market St. This kind of show only infuryates the straights and doesn`t do a thing to help the gay comunity get into the main stream of life. I didn`t say stay in the closet, but in this case if you got it don`t flaunt it.

     
  • posted at 12:47 pm on Fri, Sep 19, 2008.

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    Hi Voter--Sure; and not to take this thread too far afield, but the light in which you painted it struck me as patently unfair. The whole thing was not sexual at all--it was nothing so much as culturally anachronistic. But maybe it's one of those you-had-to-be-there sort of things.People wondering what the heck we're talking about can visit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washing_and_anointing (I just stumbled on the site today--had no idea Wikipedia had an article on the subject, but it's pretty good).OK, now back to your regularly scheduled gay marriage slugfest, already in progress. :-)

     
  • posted at 12:40 pm on Fri, Sep 19, 2008.

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    I am not sure why I would need to be reported--and no, JD, I really wouldn't suspect you anyway--not your style. There are numerous accounts on the internet--hundreds--of people feeling violated by those ceremonies. That's a fact.

     
  • posted at 11:44 am on Fri, Sep 19, 2008.

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    Huh. I see the comment Voter made, to which I was responding, has been removed. (No, Voter, I wasn't the one who reported you).If the mods wish to delete my previous comment, feel free.

     
  • posted at 11:43 am on Fri, Sep 19, 2008.

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    Apples and oranges, Voter. That ceremony was about as sexualized as was the average town swimminghole in the 19th century before bathing suits became fashionable.By the way, since Proposition 8 opponents are so intent on keeping this an in-state affair, I assume they'll be returning that 1 million dollar check that WordPerfect founder and native Utahn Bruce Bastian just sent them? :-)

     
  • posted at 11:41 am on Fri, Sep 19, 2008.

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    I know many gay couples, both with or without children who represent more of a loving family unit than many male/female couples I know. These are Christian families, where the only difference would be their sexual orientation. They are not only great parents and contributors to the community but offer positive role models to their children. I think the problem here is a fear of the unknown in many cases, and learned prejudices. Why not allow them to have the benefit of confirming their union before God??Remember God loves us all.

     
  • posted at 11:32 am on Fri, Sep 19, 2008.

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    I made an error in earlier response. I am against Prop 8 which would appeal the gay rights provision for same sex marriage. My comments before: " It is appalling how, in this day and age, you can experience the narrow minded bigotry like that displayed by the supporters of Prop 8!! My young daughter explained it best, at when at age 9, I overheard her explaining to her friends when they experienced a homosexual couple while on a Girl Scout outing in San Francisco. She said" They love each other, like our Mommy and Daddy, and after all God loves everyone, that means, black, white, yellow, gay or straight." Homosexuality is a genetic orientation, and God did make us all, so I doubted he would want Pastors to exclude them from acceptance. That would be against God's will!! Open your hearts and mind, and show your Christian spirit by OPPOSING Prop 8. "

     
  • posted at 11:31 am on Fri, Sep 19, 2008.

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    If you check websites like Election Track you would see that the majority of donations to the Yes on 8 campaign are coming from California not Utah. In regards to the No on 8 campaign, the majority of the donations coming in are from out of state.

     
  • posted at 11:13 am on Fri, Sep 19, 2008.

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    voter: I guess Mormons are okay with polygamy, but not gay marriage.

     
  • posted at 10:35 am on Fri, Sep 19, 2008.

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    I just read that 35% of the money in support of prop 8 is coming from the Mormon church, with most of the largest checks coming from the state of Utah. It seems like a religious group is attempting to buy the election and change the constitution of a different state.

     
  • posted at 9:55 am on Fri, Sep 19, 2008.

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    Hmmm...an interesting array of comments. I know many of you who dislike the idea of same-sex marriage equality do so because of your religious beliefs. I see folks here saying that the Bible says it's wrong. And, yes, that is one interpretation of the Bible. HOWEVER, let's think about this. The Bible ALSO says that a man can sell his daughter into slavery (check Exodus). So, I'm assuming you folks who believe everything in the Bible think that is ok? I also see folks who claim that allowing SSM would essentially force people/churches to except it. Not true. Under our Constitution, Churchs cannot be forced to preach any given doctrine by the government. Moreover, under our Constitution, you are allowed to believe whatever you like (which is why, even though slavery was outlawed, there are still people who think allowing African Americans to be free is wrong -- they are allowed to think that to this day). What is NOT allowed under our Constitution is for our government to enact religious doctrines into law -- particularly not where it affects civil rights like the right to marry.

     
  • posted at 8:59 am on Fri, Sep 19, 2008.

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    I don't care what your position is----I just love seeing so many speaking of GOD---GO GOD :)

     
  • posted at 8:42 am on Fri, Sep 19, 2008.

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    Billy, my understanding is that churches are permitted under the tax code to get involved in particular issues. It is candidates whom they are not supposed to be endorsing. And frankly, given that my primary support for Prop 8 arises out of a concern for the long-run possibility that government may begin dictating the types of behavior a religion may and may not label as "sinful", your demands that government take punitive financial measures against socially conservative churches is hardly reassuring.

     
  • posted at 8:38 am on Fri, Sep 19, 2008.

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    I agree with the best-interest-of-children argument, but I must point out that it would probably get Prop 8 supporters a lot more mileage had we pitched a similar hissy-fit back when states first began allowing single-parent adoptions.We didn't. Perhaps there were good reasons for doing so at the time, but the fact remains that it seems a little late to play the card now.

     
  • posted at 8:26 am on Fri, Sep 19, 2008.

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    MARZO2008 - the truth is that they are wrong in what they are doing. it's never right unless it was meant to be. only a man and a woman can be in a marriage. what makes the marriage complete is children. those children need both a man and a woman to guide them through this world to be a good person. we can clearly see if a gay couple has children those children will suffer in society and will never be accepted as normal. what matters to you the most should be doing the right thing for yourself. without effecting others. it's commonsenseOk. So kids need a mom and a dad, what about single parents? Mom is stuck with a kid while the dad ditched them, so does that mean that society wont accept them as "normal". How would you know the difference between a "normal" kid and one that was raised by two homosexuals? You couldnt. no, its not common sense. i dislike closeminded people and I love Jesus. Lets fight for a real cause.

     
  • posted at 8:10 am on Fri, Sep 19, 2008.

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    All of these churches who have abandoned their calling and have been turned, by their leaders, into political houses should lose their tax-free status.

     
  • posted at 7:54 am on Fri, Sep 19, 2008.

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    Since when do we love someone when we agree with them and hate them when we don't? I don't drink alcohol but I've never been accused of hating those who do - and I'm ok with their right to drink, as long as it doesn't infringe on my right to live my own values. I'm not voting Yes on Prop 8 because I hate gays (which I don't). I believe we should all be free to have our own beliefs and opinions, but not to force them on others. California domestic partners have the same rights as married couples, so I don't see the advantage of calling it marriage except to force acceptance of a behavior which some believe to be sinful. One of the beautiful things about our country is our right to believe as we choose. Homosexuals should certainly not be penalized for their beliefs, and neither should religious people who believe homosexuality is wrong. It seems we already have a good compromise - homosexuals can have the rights of marriage with domestic partnerships, and parents and churches can remain free to teach their values without being labeled as haters.

     
  • posted at 7:41 am on Fri, Sep 19, 2008.

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    So Bob, you`re saying that Sylvester was gay!! That is Awesome news!!! I heard a rumor that Porky Pig was fond of leather chaps!!! VIVA LA QUEER REVOLUCION!!!

     
  • posted at 7:28 am on Fri, Sep 19, 2008.

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    wudbridgGal - if you were going for gay, you only achieved Sylvester. Weak.

     
  • posted at 7:27 am on Fri, Sep 19, 2008.

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    It amazes me that people still think you HAVE TO have a man and woman raise a child. For 12 years of my life it was just my mom and me, and trust me my mom ddid just fine on her own. So what is the problem if it is 2 women/men? To me two parents are better than none. I am all for legalizing someones right to marry the person they love. BTW, I AM Christian!!!

     
  • posted at 7:23 am on Fri, Sep 19, 2008.

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    hellsbells -- funny stuff.

     
  • posted at 7:17 am on Fri, Sep 19, 2008.

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    Sharp Lady,Just FYI, homosexuality is NOT a genetic orientation.

     
  • posted at 7:13 am on Fri, Sep 19, 2008.

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    mandi1I really dont understand what the big deal is. Two people love each other, they want to show their commitment to each other by getting married, (doing the right thing) and they are being persecuted for for soemthing YOU dont believe in. What the hell ever happened to freedom. eh. We cant afford the gas, the rising price of everything, but we can fight who can marry who? WTF is wrong with the world. " the truth is that they are wrong in what they are doing. it's never right unless it was meant to be. only a man and a woman can be in a marriage. what makes the marriage complete is children. those children need both a man and a woman to guide them through this world to be a good person. we can clearly see if a gay couple has children those children will suffer in society and will never be accepted as normal. what matters to you the most should be doing the right thing for yourself. without effecting others. it's commonsense!!!

     
  • posted at 6:51 am on Fri, Sep 19, 2008.

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    I'm so glad I was fortunate enough to grow up going to St. Paul's, where they don't try to use the Bible to exclude people from basic rights...or have so much hate towards anyone "different".BTW, you ever notice that the people most against gays are the ones who always get caught in a homosexual act? Because they have feelings that they can't come to terms with.I'm proud to be living in a state where (at least for now) everyone can legally share a committment to the person they love.

     
  • posted at 6:41 am on Fri, Sep 19, 2008.

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    Funny thing, if we are all Gods children, therefore would not God love all his children? Two gays that have been together for 20 years, I would consider that they are in love since lust went out the window years ago. You want real lust, check out todays todays teenagers, now your talking lust and love is nowhere to be found.

     
  • posted at 6:37 am on Fri, Sep 19, 2008.

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    Hey all, Gays have the right to be miserable too!

     
  • posted at 6:34 am on Fri, Sep 19, 2008.

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    The Bible was written by many men, in many different languages. Now comes the hard part, to translate it. I find it most difficult to understand that when a person is about to give testimoney at a trial, he / she puts their hand on the Bible, suppose they don`t believe in God, does the trial proceed? The Bible is the most violent book ever written. A bloger maintains the Bible has been around for 1,400 years, man has been on earth for millions of years, looks like the caveman had to fend for himself without guidence, but his own will to survive.

     
  • posted at 6:22 am on Fri, Sep 19, 2008.

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    There goes another blog.

     
  • posted at 6:18 am on Fri, Sep 19, 2008.

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    the comment that homosexuals are only expressing their "love" for one another is patently wrong within the framework of what IS love. God designs love, not man. God has stated over and over in history, that homosexual sex is NOT love, but lust. even civilization outside of God has rejected homosexual sex as "love" throughtout the history of man.if you are attempting to use the angle that homosexuals are "loving", then you are going to have to justify the man that wants to have sex with little children, as he defines that as "love".God designs and designates. anything short of that is a facsimile thereof, and is not acceptable.

     
  • posted at 6:10 am on Fri, Sep 19, 2008.

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    Election Year: ALL scripture is God breathed (exhaled). The Bible was written by humans by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. Therefore the Bible is authored by God. But if you choose not to believe the scriptures that clearly state these truths, who's to say what to believe in the Bible, if anything at all? Why even acknowledge the relevancy of the Bible in the slightest degree if you are able to dismiss anything that gets in the way of personal comfort and convenience? The Bible is what it claims to be, or it's totally useless.

     
  • posted at 6:09 am on Fri, Sep 19, 2008.

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    ("Election Year wrote-Sep 19, 2008 8:53 AM: " Pastor Mattheis acknowledges, as do most theologians, that "God" did not write the Bible. Humans, i.e. "men" wrote the Bible and wrote according to the era in which they lived").the correct historical statement is that God wrote the bible THRU man. given the amount of incalcuable prophecies that were fulfilled just in Christ alone, it was God thru man, as only God can predict the future.as far as the homosexual topic, it wasn't a matter of the mindset being "from that era". homosexuality has been labeled as "not normal" by EVER citizenry in every sector of the world since the beginning of time. the bible itself spans some 1,400yrs (i think), and the theme is the same throughout, that homosexuality is NEVER high fived. not ONE reference/inference of it's acceptability.the current move for acceptance of homosexuality isn't based on progressive/evolutionary thinking. it is based on the erosion of immorality and the acceptance thereof. primarily speaking, the shucking of Gods standards over man.it's not about "hate". that's a lie. it's about the LOVE of Gods standards

     
  • posted at 5:59 am on Fri, Sep 19, 2008.

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    I really don`t see the big deal if to gays want to get married, after all its just a piece of paper, what really matters is who gives out that piece of paper, a preacher or the justice of the piece, in eithers eyes a marraige has been preformed, and no I won`t end up in hell for my opinion as I don`t agree with gay marrage in the first place. But like tagging it`s coming and you can`t stop it.

     
  • posted at 5:25 am on Fri, Sep 19, 2008.

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    hellsbells are you really that bad of a person the you will see Dale Edwards in hell, from your blog you don`t seem like one.

     
  • posted at 5:22 am on Fri, Sep 19, 2008.

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    What really happens if two gays marry? Nothing. After all thats said and done, its really only one persons opinion. The person that hates gays will go on hating gays, and that hate and anger will consume him in hate. Whats really the big deal, if you don`t like it just like TV, stay away from it or change the channel since you can`t change what will happen. I don`t agree with a gay relationship, but after all thats said and done, I don`t give a s*** anymore.

     
  • posted at 5:21 am on Fri, Sep 19, 2008.

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    OK Mazie - after God strikes down all the gay people to hell, I recommend you gather up all the people who have committed adultery and stone them in the town square. "Thou shall not committ Adultery". Be sure to gather up all the children who have not "honored their mother and father" and stone them as well. Perhaps we could do this at Hutchins Street Square. Then once there are no people left in our society, there will be NO SINNERS. You cannot pick and choose which of God's "laws" should be carried on today - versus thousands of years ago. Focus on "loving thy neighbor".

     
  • posted at 5:19 am on Fri, Sep 19, 2008.

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    stucknlodi: Ken Owen is a dinosaur!

     
  • posted at 5:18 am on Fri, Sep 19, 2008.

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    You would think this group would focus more on the divorce rate.

     
  • posted at 5:13 am on Fri, Sep 19, 2008.

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    can someone explain to me if the dinosaur was around during the biblical timeline? that is more important to me than Prop 8.

     
  • posted at 4:58 am on Fri, Sep 19, 2008.

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    Mazie seems to be proud of her hate group.

     
  • posted at 4:51 am on Fri, Sep 19, 2008.

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    JD: I can respect your opinion, as it does not seem as though you are hateful like so many others in discussing this issue.

     
  • posted at 4:51 am on Fri, Sep 19, 2008.

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    Election Year at 8:56 and 8:58 -- couldn't have said it any better!

     
  • posted at 4:48 am on Fri, Sep 19, 2008.

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    sharplady209: Are you for or against prop 8?

     
  • posted at 4:47 am on Fri, Sep 19, 2008.

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    Mazie: It is not comparable to equate two consenting human beings wanting to marry to a human and a dog having sex.

     
  • posted at 4:44 am on Fri, Sep 19, 2008.

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    That Ken Owen is one who is dammed. May his soul rot in the blackest pits of hell. Always butting his nose into what other people do. So what if some wants a lap dance or do the nasty with someone on the same team. I would rather have a stripper or gay living next door the Mr. Butting In Owen.

     
  • posted at 4:44 am on Fri, Sep 19, 2008.

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    Election Year: Well said.

     
  • posted at 4:33 am on Fri, Sep 19, 2008.

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    It is appalling how, in this day and age, you can experience the narrow minded bigotry like that displayed by the supporters of Prop 8!! My young daughter explained it best, at when at age 9, I overheard her explaining to her friends when they experienced a homosexual couple while on a Girl Scout outing in San Francisco. She said" They love each other, like our Mommy and Daddy, and after all God loves everyone, that means, black, white, yellow, gay or straight." Homosexuality is a genetic orientation, and God did make us all, so I doubted he would want Pastors to exclude them from acceptance. That would be against God's will!! Open your hearts and mind, and show your Christian spirit by supporting Prop 8.

     
  • posted at 4:26 am on Fri, Sep 19, 2008.

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    I generally support Prop 8, but I must confess myself disgusted by the number of Prop 8 supporters (including some of my own co-religionists) who seem to be licking their chops in anticipation of the day when all those gays are cast down into hell.

     
  • posted at 4:03 am on Fri, Sep 19, 2008.

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    Off to work, this has been fun. BBL

     
  • posted at 4:03 am on Fri, Sep 19, 2008.

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    Do you know of any gays that were married in the Bible? Do you know of anywhere it says it is ok? Does it not say that a man should not lie down with another man? You think because this is from the OT that it is ok now? People change, not the Bible.

     
  • posted at 3:58 am on Fri, Sep 19, 2008.

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    But I am not a hater, I don't ANYONE. I just feel they should know what they are up against. This is what I grew up to believe, homosexuality is a sin. yes, God loves all sinners and will forgive them IF they want forgiveness. I am entitled to my beliefs the same as you. AGAIN I do not hate anyone. I do not agree with what they are doing, that is my right. I can't make them change but I can sure voice my opinion. I only answer to God, not to you so SHAME ON YOU TOO.

     
  • posted at 3:56 am on Fri, Sep 19, 2008.

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    And Mazie: Give up the marrying animals routine. It's old and no one cares what you have to say about it! It is totally irrelevant to the conversation about gay marriage.

     
  • posted at 3:53 am on Fri, Sep 19, 2008.

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    Pastor Mattheis acknowledges, as do most theologians, that "God" did not write the Bible. Humans, i.e. "men" wrote the Bible and wrote according to the era in which they lived.Mazie: If you profess to be a Christian, shame on you for the venomous hate you spew. If gays are going to hell, they will no doubt see you there. There is no salvation for unrepentant haters like you.

     
  • posted at 3:51 am on Fri, Sep 19, 2008.

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    What if someone found it acceptable (to them) to have sex with and marry their animals? What would be the difference?The Bible teaches that to be a sin, but perhaps it is not? I mean if someone loves their dog and wants to have sex with that dog, perhaps even marry the dog, is that ok? Maybe that person has always had that feeling, it is what they are, should they be allowed to do so? That is no worse than being in a gay relationship to me. They are both against God's teachings. God loves us all, we are all sinners. Time to repent.

     
  • posted at 3:49 am on Fri, Sep 19, 2008.

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    Jesus' ministry was very polarizing. He was eventually killed because of His ministry. He never sought common ground or de-emphasized Truth for the sake of unity. But it is a popular pursuit these days, even in the Christian realm. Look at Rick Warren and his P.E.A.C.E. plan. He would like all religions to ignore what theological differences they might have, and celebrate their commonality. VERY unbiblical and very earthly (man-centered) goal oriented (typical for him). We must always love our neighbor but never condone any action or any ideal that is in conflict with the Bible. Hating homosexuals is also in conflict with the Bible.

     
  • posted at 3:33 am on Fri, Sep 19, 2008.

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    I really dont understand what the big deal is. Two people love each other, they want to show their commitment to each other by getting married, (doing the right thing) and they are being persecuted for for soemthing YOU dont believe in. What the hell ever happened to freedom. eh. We cant afford the gas, the rising price of everything, but we can fight who can marry who? WTF is wrong with the world.

     
  • posted at 3:29 am on Fri, Sep 19, 2008.

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    I give credit to Bob Mattheis, who doesn't hide behind any double talk about believing the Bible is God's inerrant word BUT allows current acceptable societal mindsets trump God's commands. No, he boldly stands in opposition to God and states that the Bible is in error and a hypothetical view of homosexuality allows humans not to exercise self control.How Mr. Mattheis ever held a position as Pastor yet never understood, or turned is back on the biblical principles of "sola Scriptura" and "tota Scriptura" is baffling.Who dares to stand toe-to-toe with God, who spoke the universe into existence, and tell Him "you are wrong"? Answer: Bob Mattheis and others who would deny the Bible. That is a scary and dangerous position to be in.

     
  • posted at 3:20 am on Fri, Sep 19, 2008.

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    "Jesus was about inclusivity. It is very difficult for me to read Jesus in such a way that he would deny basic human rights to people." Bob Mattheis, retired pastor, St. Paul Lutheran Church, LodiSpoken as a true man of God. God bless you.

     
  • posted at 3:16 am on Fri, Sep 19, 2008.

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    I knew I liked something about St. Paul and their big, soft, kind hearted pastor.

     
  • posted at 2:46 am on Fri, Sep 19, 2008.

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    Gay people will all burn in Hell. Read the Bible, wake up! We are suppose to be fruitful and muliply. We are not suppose to be "fruits." This world is turning into Sodom and Gomorrah. The end must be coming soon.

     
  • posted at 2:40 am on Fri, Sep 19, 2008.

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    those who claim to be gay are only "choosing that life style". we all know that it can only be between a man and a woman. not only do they not like it in most churches but it effects society as a whole. just think of what children are thinking when they see a gay couple. they get the wrong message and society as a whole will never think it's right.

     
  • posted at 2:12 am on Fri, Sep 19, 2008.

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    What happened to "love thy neighbor"? I guess if you're not christian you can't support prop 8 either because Owen only want christians to the polls.And to Dale Edwards- see you in hell!

     
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