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Local land use controlled by the United Nations? Yes, activist says

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28 comments:

  • William Dawes posted at 6:40 pm on Fri, Sep 9, 2011.

    William Dawes Posts: 116

    It is quite obvious from the Left wing "protectionism", practiced by a few of these posters, that they wouldn't know anything about the Tea Party except from what they learned from their International Socialist Organization meetings. I have noticed more of these ISO's moving into Lodi and they should float back to the bay. lol

    This "sustainability" plan is the same type of socialist politics used by the Russian government to enslave their own people. I have talked to Russians and Ukrainians before, and they see what is coming. Unfortunately, many Americans can't see it.

    Read "The Road to Serfdom" by Hayek

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 9:03 am on Tue, Sep 6, 2011.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    Joanne Bobin wrote, "Perhaps, Ms. Parigoris, you would like to RE-READ what you wrote before making comments about "divisiveness."

    Indeed... Ms. Parigoris seems quick to fly off the handle and get into name-calling. She seems like a very unapproachable and angry woman. Is her entire group like this too? Yikes! Personally, I don't think that someone should be representing their group like this, but I guess they're okay with it. Says a lot about them.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:07 pm on Mon, Sep 5, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    K Lee posted at 1:41 pm on Mon, Sep 5, ...
    Rick Houdack @ 10:24 pm: I appreciate your posts. Well said.


    SHOCKING!!

    K Lee Stated...Kim Parigoris: You seem quick to anger towards others of opposing viewpoints.

    Anger?.. she is calm and measured...

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 1:49 pm on Mon, Sep 5, 2011.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    Kim Parigoris: You seem quick to anger towards others of opposing viewpoints.

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 1:41 pm on Mon, Sep 5, 2011.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    Rick Houdack @ 10:24 pm: I appreciate your posts. Well said.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:08 am on Mon, Sep 5, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Rick Houdack posted at 7:22 Rick on Thu, Sep 1, 2011...It’s you and only you lobbing in ACORN, ACLU, etc. while you are attempting to build your own big case for persecution.

    Then Rick states... And practice hyperventilating while looking in the mirror admiring your pinwheel eyes.

    Rick is definitely comical. He enthusiastically attempts to paint pictures of others as out of control and hysterical but in his haste to paint this picture, looks hysterical himself. I have a feeling Rick is normally calm, collected and does good for society... just my guess. However, this was not his best day.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:59 am on Mon, Sep 5, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Rick Houdack posted at 10:24 pm on Wed, Aug 31, 2011
    1. I know a lot of tea partiers, ma’m, and not a single one of them is a Democrat...
    Really?
    Obviously you do not know a lot of tea partiers... if you did, you could not make this statement...
    There are Blue Dog type democrats that are socially liberal but fiscally conservative. It is these kind of democrats that you will find there. I think you are painting a picture of yourself as a far left type democrat who would naturally hold the views and attitude you have. YOU DO NOT KNOW EVEN ONE FISCALLY CONSERVATIVE DEMOCRAT THAT IS A MEMBER OF THE TEA PARTY... THAT IS INCREDIBLE

    2. Do you ever redistribute money to Democratic candidates?
    I think that is a silly question. In today's environment where democrats vote as a block like they did with Obamacare, you have to join a block of votes to get what you want. I think both parties are part of the problem. However, with the democrats in lock-step calling tea party people terrorists and other harsh imagines, why would one dollar do to them. Conservative democrats see the wisdom of the tea party position and understand the harm the far left is doing to our country. Not all democrats are far left... that would only be your group Rick.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:38 am on Mon, Sep 5, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405


    Rick Houdack posted at 10:26 pm on Wed, Aug 31, 2011... I suppose I should just shake my head and walk away, but I want to address your screaming...

    If it is screaming and hysterical to you, I suggest you seek a therapist. ( But you and I both know you are simply pretending)

    Then Rick stated...which really might be described as hysterical, that Larry Hamilton, “…was insulting and attacking Ms. Parigoris with obvious lies and misinformation.

    I was simply making a measured observation based on my experience. When I observe people discount other peoples ideas and thoughts by labeling them as “ kooky”, religious types”, nutty, and completely characterizing the essence of what makes up the other people, then yes, to me that is vicious.
    You Rick are utilizing the same technique. You PRETEND” to be the dismayed and say things to describe me in terms that says... Darrell is out of touch... Darrell is wacked out.. by stating the following...
    1. I should just shake my head and walk away
    2. I want to address your screaming
    3. Might be described as hysteria
    4. We'll leave your hysterical claim
    5. That Is strictly not allowed on the blogs
    6. Perhaps in a less emotional time of day for you
    7. I'll hold him down for you

    I am not emotional or out of control. I know exactly what I said and selected my words carefully.

    People like you and Larry do not want to debate facts, you want to silence opposition. In my view, that is vicious and unacceptable. So Yes when Larry “attempts” to use Jesus for the purpose of creating a false image of the tea party and when he says no democrats are with the tea party, he is obviously painting a false picture. WHY? Why did Larry select the words he did? Why did you select the exact words you did? For me , it is obvious. Both of you are disingenuous and devious.


     
  • Rick Houdack posted at 7:22 pm on Thu, Sep 1, 2011.

    Rick Houdack Posts: 177

    You find it amusing, you say? Yes, Robert, you evidently find it so amusing that, in its absence, you invent it for yourself.

    It’s you and only you lobbing in ACORN, ACLU, etc. while you are attempting to build your own big case for persecution.

    You seem to be in about the same shape as that poor Darrell Baumbach, who has to argue with himself all day just so he’ll have someone to talk to. My advice to you, Robert, would be to keep ramping up the hyperbole until you’ve convinced yourself people are making vicious attacks on you, too. And practice hyperventilating while looking in the mirror admiring your pinwheel eyes.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 11:50 am on Thu, Sep 1, 2011.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    I find it amusing that the Democratic party can have major influences by the likes of ACORN, any UNION, ACLU, NAACP, LA RAZA and any number of other special interest groups and all is fine with their camp. ONE interest group that happens to align with the GOP and is interested in getting America to return back to the basics and sanity get branded as terrorist, UnAmerican, radicals and any other negative adjective they can come up with. See any irony here?

     
  • Rick Houdack posted at 10:26 pm on Wed, Aug 31, 2011.

    Rick Houdack Posts: 177

    Darrell, I just don’t know what to do with the likes of you. I suppose I should just shake my head and walk away, but I want to address your screaming, which really might be described as hysterical, that Larry Hamilton, “…was insulting and attacking Ms. Parigoris with obvious lies and misinformation. In my view, that is vicious.. She then responded to his attacks by telling the truth”.

    My goodness! This is serious! I think we should read your claim again, shall we? You said that Larry was “insulting” and “attacking” and “vicious”. Really, Darrell? Attacking? ATTACKING? And VICIOUS? That is strictly not allowed here on the blogs, is it, Darrell?

    We’ll leave your hysterical claim for just a moment while we review the cruel things that horrible meanie Larry said, okay?

    Let’s see, Larry’s blog, in its entirety, reads:

    “Democrats are not tea party members in any way.The tea party has control over the republican party with idea Jesus will take care of everything.”

    Darrell, in reading Larry’s complete blog again, in a perhaps less emotional time of day for you, would you like to show us all the mean, hurtful things you witnessed him use to insult and viciously attack Ms. Parigoris? I’ll hold him down while you show us where the mean man hurt you.

     
  • Rick Houdack posted at 10:24 pm on Wed, Aug 31, 2011.

    Rick Houdack Posts: 177

    Ms. Parigoris, despite your annoyance over, “…WHEN is the public and the media going to drop the notion that all tea Party people are Republicans?” Rosa Koire did not claim to be a tea partier, did she? She was addressing a room regarding an issue about which two otherwise disparate groups might find common ground. I know a lot of tea partiers, ma’m, and not a single one of them is a Democrat. I know a lot of Democrats, too, and there is not a single tea partier among them, either. The fact is, Kim Parigoris, that tea partiers are overwhelmingly, almost exclusively, white middle-aged Republicans, aren’t they, with a handful of Libertarians thrown in and a pinch of Independents sprinkled on top. In your very next sentence you say your PAC “…receives money and gives it to Republican candidates…” From whom do you “receive” the money you redistribute to Republican candidates? How much of the money you receive and redistribute comes from Democrats? Do you ever redistribute money to Democratic candidates? Or is it always only Republicans? You can redistribute the political money you receive any way you see fit, but your admitted dearth of Democratic beneficiaries of political monies serves only to undermine your apparently disingenuous bemoaning of “…WHEN is the public and the media going to drop the notion that all tea Party people are Republicans???”

    Then Kim Parigoris, after first feigning umbrage at the idea tea partiers have the “…idea Jesus will take care of everything” admits later, in the second of a curiously edited double-post, that it isn’t a bad thing for tea partiers to expect Jesus to take care of everything after all.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 10:51 am on Wed, Aug 31, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Ms Bobin... Mr Hamilton was insulting and attacking Ms. Parigoris with obvious lies and misinformation. In my view, that is vicious.. She then responded to his attacks by telling the truth.

    Mr Hamilton stated that Democrats are not members of the tea party... but in reality, many are...so in truth Mr Hamilton is close minded... wouldn't you agree? In addition, the Tea Party has absolutely no control over the republican Party... so he is either a liar or misinformed... she responded appropriately in my view... Then Mr Hamilton disparages her by stating the tea party thinks Jesus will take care of everything.. attempting to make the tea party look bad by making them out to be religious fanatics rather than rational thinking people...

    SO get off your high horse Ms Bobin... she responded to an false information and bad intent on Mr Hamilton's part...that is all.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:30 pm on Tue, Aug 30, 2011.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Don't think you are special, Ms. Parigoris.

    And Mr. Baumbach...chief hypocrite. Ms. Parigoris blatently used desparaging words against Mr. Hamilton, calling him "small and close minded." But that's OK in your mind.

    You two disgust me with your dishonesty.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:52 pm on Tue, Aug 30, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Kim... I have seen a pattern with Ms Bobin in the many attacks she has graced me with. The more truth is magnified that shines light on how wrong and silly her points are, the more vicious and personal the attacks become.
    I can only conclude that what you have said along with what this topic brings to light , Ms Bobin feels exposed . Maybe you can take her rant as a compliment.

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 8:31 pm on Tue, Aug 30, 2011.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 2050

    Kim, don't take it personally. Some people on here just like to pick fights without actually addressing issues. I don't know why, maybe that was how they were raised.

     
  • Kim Parigoris posted at 7:00 pm on Tue, Aug 30, 2011.

    Kim Parigoris Posts: 470

    The difference is that I speak in generalities and describe a group of people.. you attack the person, personally and viciously. I don't know why I even checked back on these posts after this morning.....I must have had a masochistic tendency today..

     
  • Kim Parigoris posted at 6:03 pm on Tue, Aug 30, 2011.

    Kim Parigoris Posts: 470

    And I would to thank Ross Farrow for covering this story and being very objective and reporting the facts, like our media is supposed to do!

     
  • Kim Parigoris posted at 6:00 pm on Tue, Aug 30, 2011.

    Kim Parigoris Posts: 470

    Ms Bobin,. I have offered for you to call or write me before since you obviously have a "personal" issue with me. Or do you attack everyone as personally as you do me? I do not think you can honestly say that my comments have ever been as nasty and personally attacking as yours. We can all have our differences but why do you always have to be so personal and vile in your conversations? so anyway if you want to write me and have an open conversation please email me at kim@lodicitizensinaction.com Why do you have to be so negative and unhappy?

     
  • mizzo roberts posted at 1:30 pm on Tue, Aug 30, 2011.

    mizzo roberts Posts: 59

    Rosa Koire is to be admired..she is doing all she can to help the citizens. Just read "Animal Farm" by Orwell, it is all in there.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 1:17 pm on Tue, Aug 30, 2011.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    “I’m not crazy; this is true,” said Rosa Koire, who is fighting what is known as United Nations Agenda 21 throughout the nation.

    Anyone who has to begin their speech with the above phrase is just what they claim not to be.

    Shakespeare had the right idea when he wrote: "The lady doth protest too much, methinks."

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 1:13 pm on Tue, Aug 30, 2011.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Ms. Parigoris wrote: "we would be sitting in our lounge chairs relaxing and taking life easy, instead of trying to educate small and closed minded people, now wouldn't we Larry?"

    and

    "It is comments and bipartisan comments like yours that are inhibiting this country from moving forward, and is fostering so much divisiveness. But we have a lot of work to do, so your kind of comments just don't have the sting they used to and are like a little gnat buzzing around our heads."

    Perhaps, Ms. Parigoris, you would like to RE-READ what you wrote before making comments about "divisiveness."

    Mr. Baumbach...where are the Baumbach Legions that rail against namecalling, besmirching, and insults? This just goes to show how hypocritical you are when you agree with someone. If I had used the above language, you would have been all over my comments like flies on you know what...never mind the gnats!

     
  • Karen Griggs posted at 11:16 am on Tue, Aug 30, 2011.

    Karen Posts: 1

    Most of the Tea Party people I have met are what used to be middle class when this country had a middle class. Can't say what their religious views are because I don't think I have even seen or heard a religious discussion among them. Some are pro life, some are pro choice....some are social conservative..some are not, pretty much all of them are fiscal conservatives. Some own guns, some don't. Haven't met a one of them that had ever called their Congressman or state representative over anything before two years ago. It may also surprise people that most are just as critical of the Republican Party as they are the Democratic Party....as both parties have been self serving for decades to the detriment of their constituents. What changed and activated what for decades had been the "Silent Majority"....the perfect storm of political greed. Elected officials who thought that their constituency were lobbyists and unions. A politically created massive foreclosure wave, skyrocketing unemployment and business owners who reached the tipping point of spending more time dealing with regulation and the government maze of paperwork and frustration than they did being productive in their business, that they suddenly were having to spend more to keep open than they were making in income. When you have lost your home, lost your job, lost your business, you don't really have a lot left to lose by finally saying out loud what you have privately grumbled about for years. It would be nice if "Jesus" suddenly came and solved all problems but my grandmother always told us that God helped those that helped themselves and we are the people that have always worked, just don't have the homes or jobs or business to distract us anymore.

     
  • Kim Parigoris posted at 9:51 am on Tue, Aug 30, 2011.

    Kim Parigoris Posts: 470

    Ah, ignorance is bliss....
    And if the Tea Party were expecting Jesus to take care of everything (which isn't a bad thing) then why aren't we all sitting in our lounge chairs realxing and taking it easy, instead of spending every waking moment trying to learn as much as we can about our government, and trying to pass that on to the general public? It is comments and bipartisan comments like yours that are inhibiting this country from moving forward, and is fostering so much divisiveness. But we have a lot of work to do, so your kind of comments just don't have the sting they used to and are like a little gnat buzzing around our heads.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:49 am on Tue, Aug 30, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Larry stated...The tea party has control over the republican party with idea Jesus will take care of everything

    I see Larry Is watching Jon Stewart and Bill Maher again so he can explain what the tea party is and is not... Thanks for the humor Larry...

    .

     
  • Kim Parigoris posted at 9:42 am on Tue, Aug 30, 2011.

    Kim Parigoris Posts: 470

    Ah, ignorance is bliss....
    Well, if the Tea Party thought Jesus was going to take care of everything we would be sitting in our lounge chairs relaxing and taking life easy, instead of trying to educate small and closed minded people, now wouldn't we Larry?

     
  • Larry Hamilton posted at 9:23 am on Tue, Aug 30, 2011.

    Larry Hamilton Posts: 53

    Democrats are not tea party members in any way.The tea party has control over the republican party with idea Jesus will take care of everything.

     
  • Kim Parigoris posted at 6:48 am on Tue, Aug 30, 2011.

    Kim Parigoris Posts: 470

    WHEN is the public and the media going to drop the notion that all tea Party people are Republicans??? Yes, the Tea Party Express is a PAC that receives money and gives it to Republican candiddates, but Tea Party Patriots, which Lodi Citizens In Action align itself with, are just as disgruntled with the Republicans as they are the Democrats- actually maybe even more, because we expect more from them. And if we were such staunch Republicans, why would we have a liberal Democrat come to speak at our meeting? It is time that this nation start getting on the same page, or we are going to lose this country. And having idiots like Maxine Waters say that "the Tea Party can go straight to hell" is not exactly what I would call "civil discourse" We have a fellow from Australia that has been emailing us for over a year and was extremely anti-Tea party...he attended our meeting last night and made a point of coming over and saying how his whole view about the Tea Party has changed after last night. So let's throw the social issues in the trunk and start concentrating on the things that matter to preserve this country.

     
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