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Posted: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 12:00 am | Updated: 6:17 am, Wed Oct 20, 2010.

Constitution supporters talked of freedom, activism and staying informed on conservative issues as the Tea Party Patriots’ Constitutional Bus Tour rolled into Lodi on Monday night.

Guests from throughout the state gave a history lesson of the Constitution’s founding in 1787, how they say it’s being threatened today and what residents can do to restore government to its original constitutional principles.

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22 comments:

  • Brian Dockter posted at 9:09 am on Tue, Oct 26, 2010.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2850

    If Anderson Cooper had never used the CNN podium to say "It's hard to talk when you're
    teabagging" then we probably wouln't be having this conversation, Steve.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:24 am on Tue, Oct 26, 2010.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2850

    Steve,

    The Tea Party Movement has it's roots leading up to the Boston Tea Party.
    It is only lately that the term teabagger also has sexual connotations. Thanks but no thanks for reminding us how you view the Tea Party. Now do us all a favor and go back in YOUR metaphorical closet with YOUR teabags.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 6:03 pm on Sun, Oct 24, 2010.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2572

    It seems to me that, if you folks are going to teabag, you should be proud of it. Don't lock yourself away in some metaphorical closet, celebrate yourselves for who you are!

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 3:13 pm on Fri, Oct 22, 2010.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Kim, great comments, I appreciate the wisdom of your perspective.

     
  • Kim Parigoris posted at 8:43 am on Fri, Oct 22, 2010.

    Kim Parigoris Posts: 470

    Steve- the term teabagger has become very passe..I don't even think MSNBC uses that anymore. You will have to come up with something a little more original and new.
    Doug, most of the members of Tea Party groups are Independents, and defectors of the Republican party and want to see some major changes in that party before they entertain the idea of returning to it. You will find some Democrats, some that still think their party is independent of socialistic agenda and hasn't done a reality check on that in quite a number of years. .The Tea party believes in adhering to our Constitution, free markets and small government. I guess I just do not understand why that offends someone like you and you feel the need to attack that. I guess I also do not understand why liberals, who now possess a majority of the House and Senate, most of the members of our Courts, and the Presidency, are still so angry and vile...you would think they would be happy and dancing in the streets! All I can say, is I'd hate to be them- life is really not that bad if you have strong beliefs and conviction why the anger and hatred?

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:16 pm on Thu, Oct 21, 2010.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    19, then I will seize it and verbally destroy it, with facts and citations...

    Manuel, again...what actually happens and what the laws state is many times completely different... you are foolish and silly.

    The only thing you destroy is your credibility.

     
  • Manuel Martinez posted at 9:10 am on Thu, Oct 21, 2010.

    Manuel Martinez Posts: 641

    Darrell, your claim was this: "Although the initiative provides penalties for adults (over 18 years old) providing marijuana to minors, there is nothing in the law that prohibits minors from growing and providing marijuana to each other."

    Not once did I say that there is nothing beyond the letter of the law. Never have I hinted that violations of the law are nonexistent. What I have been doing over these past few days, is rebutting the claims of individuals that commit a play on words or an exploitation of ambiguity to explain away their distrust of the proposition. If you claim that Proposition 19 allows(emphasis on allows!) minors to cultivate and transfer marijuana to each other in the absence of a specified penalty, on par with the penalty an adult faces for providing or offering to provide marijuana to a child in Prop 19, then I will seize it and verbally destroy it, with facts and citations.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:22 am on Thu, Oct 21, 2010.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    The letter of the law is all there is to Manuel... what actually happens and what the laws state is many times completely different...hello…wake up Manuel.... The law states that you cannot stay in this country without proper documentation... there are over 15,000,000 examples of where the law is ignored and irrelevant.... Maybe Manuel is right and I am wrong... since the law states it... that means everyone has legal documents... Yes, the letter of the law is reliable... in Manuel’s world.... The real world is completely different though, especially in unsettled law, or law that doesn’t exist yet, like prop 19.

     
  • Manuel Martinez posted at 11:20 pm on Wed, Oct 20, 2010.

    Manuel Martinez Posts: 641

    Prop 19 does not modify the Health and Safety Code to omit all traces of current regulation of controlled substance consumption or cultivation. Section 11357 Subsections (a) and (b) would still apply to juveniles, given that the introductory statement in each subsections is as follows: "Except as authorized by law,"

    Prop 19 instead amends the Health and Safety Code with Section 11300 Subsection (a): Notwithstanding any other provision of law, it is lawful and shall not be a public offense under California law for any person 21 years of age or older to: clause: (1): Personally possess, process, share, or transport not more than one ounce of cannabis, solely for that individual's personal consumption, and not for sale. clause: (2): Cultivate, etc. clause: (3): possess living and harvested plants etc. clause: (4): posses objects etc related to personal marijuana consumption, etc.

    Hence, anyone that is under the age of 21, and engages in the aforementioned actions that are lawful for individuals at or above the age of 21, are therefore subject to the same level of prosecution that currently exists for such individuals under Section 11357 of the Health and Safety Code. Most notable among such restrictions, is the maintenance of Subsection (E) of Section 11357, which expressly prohibits the possession of marijuana by minors on school grounds and lays the penalty in clauses (1) and (2).

    As for the 'protected legal status', there is evidently a stigma against those that consume cannabis, and as such, the potential for discrimination exists in the public sphere. This section allows for a.) the protection from police or private individuals that seek to discriminate or in any other way deprive another individual of his rights for his lawful choice to consume marijuana(as provided under section 11300) and b.) provides an exemption to the previous clause by maintaining the existing standards regarding an employer's right to address consumption that impairs an employee in the course of his duties.

     
  • Doug Chaney posted at 10:42 pm on Wed, Oct 20, 2010.

    Doug Chaney Posts: 1232

    So the tea party leaders want everyone to brush up on their conservative point of views? And this guy says they are a non-partisan group? Wow.

     
  • Doug Chaney posted at 10:40 pm on Wed, Oct 20, 2010.

    Doug Chaney Posts: 1232

    Welcome back, Andre! How's that little one of yours?

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:27 pm on Wed, Oct 20, 2010.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Kim wrote: "we are recommending a "no" vote on Prop 19, but mainly because it is poorly written as far as testing for commerical drivers, pre-employment tests, etc."

    Kim,good points, in addtion,

    What Prop 19 would do
    Proposition 19 legalizes the personal cultivation (up to 25 square feet) and use and transportation of marijuana (up to one ounce).2 Of course, 25 square feet of marijuana plants produces much more than one ounce of marijuana. Although the initiative provides penalties for adults (over 18 years old) providing marijuana to minors, there is nothing in the law that prohibits minors from growing and providing marijuana to each other. Presumably their parents could be held liable, although it would have to be proven that they provided the marijuana initially.

    In addition:
    Protected class of users
    Proposition 19 establishes a dangerous legal precedent by establishing marijuana use as a protected class under the law:
    No person shall be punished, fined, discriminated against, or be denied any right or privilege for lawfully engaging in any conduct permitted by this Act or authorized pursuant to Section 11301 of this Act. Provided however, that the existing right of an employer to address consumption that actually impairs job performance by an employee shall not be affected.2

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 7:13 pm on Wed, Oct 20, 2010.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Steve... the terms "teabaggers and teabagging" , are meant to be derogatory and a put down from the left. Even though I do not consider myself a tea party member or supporter,
    When someone uses these terms, it implies a negative.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 7:09 pm on Wed, Oct 20, 2010.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    What you said...First of all, let me say that I am deeply saddened to learn that you consider me your "enemy". I think you are taking these blogs W-A-Y to seriously.

    What I said... I assume you intend sarcasm in stating “my friend”, to me, as it is more likely you meant “my enemy”.

    Steve, I did not say I thought of you as an enemy, I said I thought you felt I was your enemy. Please read more carefully.

     
  • Manuel Martinez posted at 6:13 pm on Wed, Oct 20, 2010.

    Manuel Martinez Posts: 641

    Kim wrote: "we are recommending a "no" vote on Prop 19, but mainly because it is poorly written as far as testing for commerical drivers, pre-employment tests, etc."

    Can you elaborate as to how the proposition fails in establishing guidelines regarding the issues you brought forth? I ask because Section 11300, Subsection C, Clause (3); and Section 11304 Subsection A, prohibit individuals from driving or transporting materials whilst under the influence of marijuana. Section 11304 Subsection B also protects existing rights regarding an employer's capacity at addressing the inhibition of an employee that uses the substance.

    The text of the proposition can be found here:

    http://www.voterguide.sos.ca.gov/pdf/english/text-proposed-laws.pdf#prop19

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 5:22 pm on Wed, Oct 20, 2010.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2572

    In any case, I, for one, consider you to be as fine an amigo as can be found on these scarred and depopulated pages.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 5:20 pm on Wed, Oct 20, 2010.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2572

    First of all, let me say that I am deeply saddened to learn that you consider me your "enemy". I think you are taking these blogs W-A-Y to seriously.

    Its all just fun and games, isn't it, with a little participational democracy thrown in to season the stew?

    As for teabaggers and teabagging, I only meant to say that your stated beliefs (see below) mesh well with the beliefs of those who enjoy the practice of teabagging (see above).

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 4:06 pm on Wed, Oct 20, 2010.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405


    Steve Schmidt posted...Darrell, it sounds like you are ready to teabag. Rock on, my friend...
    Steve, I have tried to ignore you and others making comments about tea party and tea bags... in that you and others keep making comments associating me to these groups.

    I have never been to a tea party, never met someone that claims to be in the tea party. Any comments I make in these blogs are my own personal opinions and beliefs. If the tea party makes statements that are similar to my beliefs, it is coincidental. I appreciate all people left or right that that believes in the same principles as I do.
    In addition, I assume you intend sarcasm in stating “my friend”, to me, as it is more likely you meant “my enemy”.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 3:18 pm on Wed, Oct 20, 2010.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2572

    Darrell, it sounds like you are ready to teabag. Rock on, my friend!

     
  • Kim Parigoris posted at 2:38 pm on Wed, Oct 20, 2010.

    Kim Parigoris Posts: 470

    Manuel-
    The Tea Party tries to stay out of social issues...we are recommending a "no" vote on Prop 19, but mainly because it is poorly written as far as testing for commerical drivers, pre-employment tests, etc. Many of our members would consider themselves "social libertarians" We are more concerned with the propositions that deal with our freedoms being taken away, bigger governement taking away our ability to make a living, being overregulated, and being taxed without representation.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 2:28 pm on Wed, Oct 20, 2010.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    I agree with Manuel, more freedoms. I would support his freedom to smoke marijuana in the privacy of his own home, if:.. I could have freedoms that I appreciate.

    01. If Manuel is busy smoking dope in his own home, and the smoke drifts out to my home, I want the freedom to enter his home and remove the source of the smoke and implement consequences upon the person who infringed upon my right to fresh air.
    02. I want the freedom to build a 1000 foot home office on my land adjacent to my house… as of today, I cannot.
    03. I want to freedom to build my own home without government supervision.. No permits or regulations. If my house is not built well, it’s my fault and I bear all responsibilities. I cannot do this as well.
    04.I want the freedom to buy health insurance without the government mandating mental health coverage. I cannot.
    05. . I want the freedom to drive down the road without a seat belt. I want to ride my motor cycle without wearing a helmet. I cannot
    06. I want the freedom to buy a soda from a vending machine in San Francisco… since they have outlawed these machines there, I have less choice.
    07. I want to freedom to have 5 wives in the privacy of my own home… I cannot and wouldn’t live to tell the tale.

     
  • Manuel Martinez posted at 10:51 am on Wed, Oct 20, 2010.

    Manuel Martinez Posts: 641

    “'Freedom is more important than anything else,' said Sam Paredes"

    Just a quick question, does that include the right to smoke marijuana in the privacy of your own home?

     
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