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Redevelopment fan Brenda Akin thinks Measure W a great idea

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Posted: Friday, February 13, 2009 10:00 pm

When Brenda Akin found out that there was a way to keep tax dollars in Lodi, she was all for it.


Brenda Akin

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29 comments:

  • posted at 3:40 am on Sun, Feb 15, 2009.

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    My bad. Should have read "what was under which shell'?

     
  • posted at 3:39 am on Sun, Feb 15, 2009.

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    SmootDid Lodi ever balance the budget that went way past when it should have and why the delay? Sky King lose his abacus or did he forget whhat was un which shell?

     
  • posted at 3:32 am on Sun, Feb 15, 2009.

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    LOAD - you're too funny! You're seriously suggesting the IRS is NOT part of the government? Ever heard of the Department of the Treasury??Actually, you have every rigt to go to City Hall and request a line item copy of city expenditures - If you're so sure there are transgressions, go take a look at the books.With all these conspiracies you keep advancing, I don't understand why you've never taken your complaints to the Civil Grand Jury - or is it because you have no facts and would be laughed out of the room?

     
  • posted at 3:24 am on Sun, Feb 15, 2009.

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    Bohica - you're making my point. Absent Redevelopment, what makes you think anything will change? The whole poibnt of doing this is to provide the tools to entice new business here.

     
  • posted at 1:14 am on Sun, Feb 15, 2009.

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    Vote Yes Measure W - you're taxes will not go up. Lodi will keep more of the money that is already generated in the Redevelopment Area. Lodi will take on specific projects that will benefit Lodi with out waiting for Arnold and his band of misfits to take care of us. I'd rather know that I could vote out 5 people who make bad decisions than try and change Sacramento busniness as usual. Vote No on Measure W - your taxes will not chance, instead of controlling money to the benefit of our own city - you can do nothing and wait for Sacramento to help us out with our Lodi specific problems. They seem to have their act together up there, let's just wait around for them to take care of Lodi.

     
  • posted at 1:07 am on Sun, Feb 15, 2009.

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    loadeye - let's not cast stones here. I am not aware of any Realtors or Real Estate Co's. that created Mortgage Backed Securities, thes MBS and CDO's AND plenty of good ol' fashioned greed in every sector of the world got us where we are today. Don't make general and unsubstantiated statements....go watch house of cards on cnbc... "

     
  • posted at 3:21 pm on Sat, Feb 14, 2009.

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    http://www.swrcb.ca.gov/board_decisions/tentative_orders/docs/a1886_transmittal_and_prop_order.pdf Here smoot,study these documents and and see whether you should be worried about companies like the canneries and their processing plants whose polluted and contaminated sewer effluent waste are being held in those leaking ponds at White Slough,and some just dumped on the agricultural lands. Your Lodi leaders knew this and tried to sneak by anyway, although they knew they were polluting to keep those jobs by letting that cannery violate the laws. This is a warning letter to the city of Lodi and explains in detail the warnings and cease orders until the polluted, contaminated land is cleaned up, including the leaky pipes. This warning was from December 2008 and well hidden by your trusty manager and council. Looks like they'll need every bit of that $131 million just to clean up their polluted mess from White Slough, News-Sentinel,Katzakian's Lodi printing,Lodi chrome,the cleaners and the others that got away with the few bucks their insurers paid.More yet:http://www.dtsc.ca.gov/HazardousWaste/Projects/upload/LODI-CHROME_ENF_SO.pdf Don't you thin mayor Hansen is a major plaayer in this coverup?He knows well about the contamination at White Slough water treatment plant via the NCPA. No new power plant will be built on that site. Thanks, Larry.

     
  • posted at 11:13 am on Sat, Feb 14, 2009.

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    Smoot-Whether the funds are up front via infrastructure or in through other means, the debate remains as to whether or not any business would locate to the area. Being aware of all the "other" non-business friendly constraints and liabilities on a business that Lodi has is, again, enough reason to NOT pass measure "W".

     
  • posted at 10:14 am on Sat, Feb 14, 2009.

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    There's also a total $400,000,000 debt limit. That figure alone should make you shudder as soon as you see who's going to handle it. Those same four council people that've gotten Lodi $250,000,000 into debt as of now. Add another $400,000,000 to that and you've got some real wealthy good ol' boys. And the property tax that Lodi will get will be minimal. 20% goes to affordable housing and then after loans, advances, indebtedness and interest are paid, the monies remaining, if any, which there usually aren't, the funds on the taxable property will be distributed. You pulled your percentage out of the hat and I doubt it'll be 1/10 that after everyone gets their share.

     
  • posted at 8:24 am on Sat, Feb 14, 2009.

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    smoot, I didn't say government, I said IRS. What's so funny about that? Are you going to be serious about RDA or continue making a joke of it? And it's our debt (taxpayers), so why would we want to pay for those sewers again that haven't been repaired in the first place. Our utility rates have already gone up and redevelopment has nothing to do with it. The city raises them each year to meet their budget shortfall from overspending. We don't get to vote on that. And isn't that figure 20% and not any other? And what do you mean by freeing up, money? The only money Lodi has is debt. Are they going to borrow for as much as 25% interest to free up this money? Read the official documents on Lodi's website thoroughly and completely to see the real wording and not the propaganda those like you are being fed by your bosses to keep your jobs.

     
  • posted at 8:11 am on Sat, Feb 14, 2009.

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    By the way, I almost fell over laughing at the IRS audit suggestion. You want to ask the government you obviously don't trust to come in and audit another branch of the same government. Too funny!

     
  • posted at 8:08 am on Sat, Feb 14, 2009.

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    LOAD - good idea. Try to distract attention from the argument by crying about being belittled. Your arguments and conspiracy theories just don't hold water. At first I thought it was because you were misinformed. Now it appears either deliberate on your part or you're just plain thick. I'm not sure which.The COP argument is a great example. If you can't understand that using financial resources other than those from the General Fund to pay for improvements and services frees up money from the General Fund for services then I guess I feel sorry for you. Another example. Using redevelopment funds to pay for repairing sewer and water lines within the redevelopment area means the cost of those repairs that need to be funded by the General Fund are diminished - ergo, reducing the need for increases to the water rates.and finally, if you can't see that keeping 80% of the property tax increment is better than getting only 16% and sending the rest to the County or the State then you ARE either disingenuous or thick. If that offends you, I'm sorry but it's the only conclusion I can come to.

     
  • posted at 7:43 am on Sat, Feb 14, 2009.

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    Well I have read both sides and here is what I say; Magicians use distraction and redirection to fool the audience so they can trick the audience and Measure W is definitely a distraction and a redirection.

     
  • posted at 6:45 am on Sat, Feb 14, 2009.

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    Bohica, all those empty buildings and offices that're vacant on Kettleman Lane were nearly all connected to the real estate loan and title companies that sold their loans to those other entities that stole much of that money. Local developers like Geweke, Snyder, Katzakian and even some local real estate companies and brokers took the quick buck and ran. That's the reason for most of those vacancies. Now these same realtors and developers have those building loans and upkeep payments to make and no income to do that. Hence, this RDA scheme to fuel their own interests at the expense of honest citizens.

     
  • posted at 6:37 am on Sat, Feb 14, 2009.

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    Smoot, there are close to 100 cities in Calfornia without redevelopment. I knew it wouldn't be long before the name calling would be coming from you. If you want to debate, grow up, and present your points without trying to belittle anyone.

     
  • posted at 6:35 am on Sat, Feb 14, 2009.

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    Who's responsible for the signs proclaiming "keep our taxes in Lodi"? What taxes are you talking about? Are you deliberately misleading everyone? Why don't you tell the truth and say PROPERTY taxes generated by the redevelopment only? And how do you expect to generate taxes when you have to first borrow that same money and generate income on debt to see a benefit? How do you generate income on debt?

     
  • posted at 6:11 am on Sat, Feb 14, 2009.

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    Bohica - Redevelopment is a tool to assist businesses that want to locate here - that presupposes that there are businesses that WOULD locate here were the economic conditions favorable.Absent the prospective business, there's no reason to tap RDA funding. This is not "build it and they will come" - this is "I'd like to move my business to Lodi but the infrastructure costs are prohibitive" - that's where RDA can be effective.

     
  • posted at 5:17 am on Sat, Feb 14, 2009.

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    Vote NO on W and force this crazy city council to put checks and balances in place with private citizen (not developer or special interest groups) as oversight.Write a plan that takes care of the eastside instead of the money all going to economic development.Write a plan with specific goals not just a wish list.Tie the hands of this council and future councils to do what they promise the people.

     
  • posted at 5:06 am on Sat, Feb 14, 2009.

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    After reading the arguments for both pro and con one can only conclude that misinformation seems to rule the roost. One aspect that does NOT seem to be addressed on either side of this issue is the presumption that if the area in question is "cleaned up" and developed for business...will they come? One commenter pointed out that business' would not flock to the east side in it's current condition. NEWS FLASH!!! They're not flocking to the west side of town either. The issues concerning attracting business' to Lodi are far removed from the redevelopment issue. There are areas of Lodi that have been developed for office as well as industrial and these facilities lie dormant; empty; unused. Take a drive down Kettleman Ln, Cherokee Ln, Sacramento St, and you'll see just how many empty business suites are available. To presuppose that the devolopment of the east side area in question will spawn new business growth is, at best, a farce and at worst, fraud. In the long term the city will be responsible for any taxes and maintenence to the area (police, fire,etc)if business' DON'T show up to occupy the land. JUST SAY NO TO "W"! We're BROKE!

     
  • posted at 4:25 am on Sat, Feb 14, 2009.

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    Smoot, who's going to buy any California bonds or investments for at least the next 5 years? Those projects on the eastside have been funded once already? So it's OK for RDA to pay for them a second time after the first funding has been spent elsewhere or misappropriated. Where's Mr. King in this deal. Shouldn't he be explaining where all these missing funds were spent? Maybe it's time for an IRS audit as a stipulation that redevelopment be instituted?

     
  • posted at 4:21 am on Sat, Feb 14, 2009.

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    larprez, I apologize for my disrespect on the other blog and I understand your point and you come across as a very intelligent, knowledgeable person. But just because the head of one of these unions or organiztions is for Measure W doesn't mean that the entire organization supports it. As a retired union member, I was against many issues that my organization endorsed and that endorsement came from the upper echelon only, lest they lose their jobs to say otherwise. Please don't mislead us by saying Mr. Iturran speaks for every firefighter. If he wants to see his fire funding dwindle by some of that % RDA takes, I'm willing to bet that when he tells those firefighters they won't get a raise because RDA took it and the general fund and budget simply had only that money they already had. I hear freeing up funds? How can you free up funds if you don't have those funds to begin with because you gave them to RDA for a Hutchins Street Square renovation instead? Please be realistic. This is the same kind of jargon that many realtors used to get homebuyers those $400,000 loans on a $20,000 salary.

     
  • posted at 3:37 am on Sat, Feb 14, 2009.

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    LOAD, you just don't get it. When Lodi built the new police station they financed it with Certificates of Participation (COP's)- those COP's are being paid for with General Fund revenues. Had we had a Redevelopment agency at the time, such construction could have been done by the Redevelopment Agency and the bill paid with redevelopment dollars - no impact on the General Fund. You've got the argument entirely backwards. Redevelopment frees up money for the General Fund - that's why using redevelopment dollars to fix the sewer and water pipes SAVES the City from having to raise rates. HELLO! KNOCK KNOCK! DO YOU GET IT YET???

     
  • posted at 3:31 am on Sat, Feb 14, 2009.

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    The MORR-ONS responsible for the MORR report have certainly been successful in convincing other communities to their side - what was it I read? 163 cities Lodi's size have redevelopment agencies and about 8 (including us) do not. They're certainly having a lot of success with their argument. Reading some of their history, these guys still probably think the world is flat!

     
  • posted at 2:59 am on Sat, Feb 14, 2009.

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    THIS IS A GREAT QUOTE! - In studying the redevelopment plan, there are many provisions for developers and land owners to receive government subsidies. In fact, the council at a February meeting recently discussed that the city could reimburse costs to developers for construction expenses, architectural and design fees, off-site improvements, parking lots, equipment costs, fixtures and furnishings, facade improvements and land acquisition costs. If you believe in free enterprise, these are costs that a developer or land owner should be absorbing themselves. Such land owners or developers should not expect the poorest of homeowners to subsidize them through property taxes.

     
  • posted at 2:13 am on Sat, Feb 14, 2009.

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    Lodi has always looked out for Lodi. Our own County has a budget surplus and yet Stockton has to lay off police officers, Lodi PD has to get concessions from our officers in order to keep them on the job. Our own County has many other interests and people pulling at the budget strings. Yet where does Lodi stand in line? Lodi needs to take care of Lodi and ensure that the dollars generated here STAY here. Lodi PD, Fire and Schools will all get money directly from where it was generated. The State and the County will not help us with our infrastructure - let's take control of what is ours.

     
  • posted at 2:09 am on Sat, Feb 14, 2009.

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    loadeye - I can appreciate your concerns and Ms. Roche's on the other article. There are plenty of people from many walks of life in support of YES W. Library, Police, Schools and Fire all are for YES W. Consider this, Arnold and his crew are $42 Bill in the hole and are shorting you and other tax payers with IOU's. No one really believes that the people in Sacramento will take care of the needs for Lodi.Five people on the Council control almost every major aspect for our City. You and others in Lodi have more of a chance in swaying opinion or better yet voting them out if you are unhappy with the results. Citizens of Lodi have way more control and their votes can make more of an impact here in Lodi than voting at the State level.

     
  • posted at 1:55 am on Sat, Feb 14, 2009.

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    And I do respect your opinion, but after you read the literature on the MORR website, only then will you know that someone's been blowing smoke at you. If you'd tell us who gave you that propaganda, we'd know instantly who brainwashed you. Taxes are a bad word. Vote no on anything that says taxes of any kind are going to help anyone but those who allot them and their wealthy friends. Lodi's too old for this good ol' boy game anymore. Let's form an RDA comprised of those who live in the area and who aren't so old that they'll never live long enough to build anything, just grab the money. Why wouldn't this board be composed of the next generation who will be leading this city within the next 10 years and not the city council members? Right Lodi needs to fix the water treatment plant at White Slough before any more soil and groundwater is contaminated and line those ponds and fix those rotted eastside sewer lines.Why aren't they doing that? Just what are those "important projects that King has that're so secret he wouldn't release them or their numbers at the council meeting last week?

     
  • posted at 1:45 am on Sat, Feb 14, 2009.

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    Why didn't they take those tens of millions building Hutchins Street Square and fix those sewer pipes and instead of blighting the eastside themselves, simply maintain and repair these items as they were supposed to? The wealthy wanted to make their own poor slum area for the cheap labor, and they did. It gets worse every day. Gangs are uncontrolled in Lodi and redevelopment is going to pay to fix sewers, sidewalks and streets? That's money the police will lose in their budgeting process for protection to fix something that should've been done 20 years ago while the city leaders spent their money on their own wealthy interests and themselves. That's all redevelopment is going to accomplish again. You talk of parks and schools, then why did council let Gillespie delete the school and Parks from Reynolds Ranch? Will there be new schools on the eastside with mandatory busing for the jocks and rich kids on the westside to get a taste of real life in Lodi? I keep hearing from your group that property tax money from redevelopment merely goes to build needed new projects, not repair old ones. And the general fund loses that funding. Bottom line.

     
  • posted at 1:13 am on Sat, Feb 14, 2009.

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    Just look at the fatcats and wealthy interests supporting W. Do you want them to have your library, school, police, fire and other budget money spent building another Hutchins Street Square with redevelopment or having that money in your general fund. Every penny from redevelopment will only create an instant $150 million debt for Lodi citizens and take money from the general fund and city services.http://www.coalitionforredevelopmentreform.org/references/morrreport.php Read this and then tell me you want redevelopment. I'll bet you you haven't researched MORR website at all. You'd vote no if you have.

     
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