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Posted: Thursday, May 1, 2008 10:00 pm

Lodi High Senior Josh Niemeyer and his date, fellow Senior Amanda Carter, 17, were one of the first to arrive for photos at their "Techno City" themed prom earlier this month.

Dressed in a white tuxedo and a hot pink dress, the couple contemplated what to do in their photo. Should they strike a traditional pose or should they go for something a bit … unconventional?

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283 comments:

  • posted at 8:58 am on Mon, May 12, 2008.

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    Bingo Bango Bongo...

     
  • posted at 6:30 pm on Thu, May 8, 2008.

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    getreal: I quoted the most important part IMO. After all, the quoted sentence was a big giant BINGO!

     
  • posted at 8:42 am on Thu, May 8, 2008.

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    Lodian, that was all you gleamed from that? You only pulled out half a bingo, did you miss the first sentence and the last?

     
  • posted at 8:23 am on Thu, May 8, 2008.

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    Cogito wrote "The school overreacted, like they usually do, in an attempt to make it look like they actually do something to earn their salary. The whole thing is much ado about nothing."BINGO!

     
  • posted at 3:45 am on Thu, May 8, 2008.

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    The more I hear about this incident, the more it sounds like this kid is just some spoiled little adolescent who did something stupid. Mommy and Daddy are upset because they are his parents and they love him more than life itself. The school overreacted, like they usually do, in an attempt to make it look like they actually do something to earn their salary. The whole thing is much ado about nothing. Everyone just needs to shake hands and get on with something else, hopefully something important.

     
  • posted at 5:25 pm on Tue, May 6, 2008.

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    getreal: The fight I speak of was personally witnessed.

     
  • posted at 2:28 pm on Tue, May 6, 2008.

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    Bill Atterberry is a freakin moron if he`s gonna now claim he`s Chief Of the Thought Police. Who was actually hurt by this "T" thing Mr Atterberry? Your feelings I suspect?

     
  • posted at 1:41 pm on Tue, May 6, 2008.

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    Lodian, aren't you the one that speaks of gossip and rumors? Yet you dare to compare an undocumented story about a fight. This so called "fight" is not part of the story. Let me get this straight your rules are that you can add what you hear, but no one else can. Interesting...I see a comparison with you and others that make their own rules.

     
  • posted at 1:18 pm on Tue, May 6, 2008.

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    This is the stupidest thing I have ever heard.Rules like this are made to be broken.

     
  • posted at 12:40 pm on Tue, May 6, 2008.

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    getreal wrote "...I would have moved on"I doubt that you would have been okay with a three day suspension. I'm glad this student's parent shared this story. It shines the spotlight on a problem with the administration. When these students get the same suspension as a student that chose to physically fight at school this tells me there is something seriously wrong with the admins judgement. This was all definitely a waste of time, resources and money. All the things we do not have in this district right now. Besides, the main point, it is not acceptable for you or anyone else to stand idly by while students are wrongly accused, punished and suspended in excess.

     
  • posted at 12:25 pm on Tue, May 6, 2008.

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    getreal wrote on May 6, 2008 2:52 PM:"Don't worry about me Lodian, I prefer purple."I know. I could tell.

     
  • posted at 10:01 am on Tue, May 6, 2008.

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    And if this was my kid, I would be aware of the double meaning and would of said to him or her that this was a bad idea and I would have moved on. I would not have made a public spectacle of my son or daughter. And if in fact my son or daughter would of been disrepectful to school administration I would have dealt with that as a separate issue. I would imagine this young man and lady are back in school and are well on their way to graduation.

     
  • posted at 9:52 am on Tue, May 6, 2008.

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    Don't worry about me Lodian, I prefer purple.

     
  • posted at 9:02 am on Tue, May 6, 2008.

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    Jeff: What changed your mind?

     
  • posted at 9:01 am on Tue, May 6, 2008.

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    getreal: You'd better remember to never wear red again as it means you are a gang member. It's sad when good people allow something, such as this T sign, to become associated with gangs and/or drugs. Pretty soon we'll all have to be walking around with our hands at our sides and dressed in nudes. But, that will probably end up becoming a drug or gang symbol too. Where does it stop? Well, I'm telling ya right now that I am not giving up my favorite red outfit. And that's that.

     
  • posted at 8:08 am on Tue, May 6, 2008.

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    Lodian, I just re-read all of these, especially your, comments on the blog and have come to a conclusion. You might be right.

     
  • posted at 7:59 am on Tue, May 6, 2008.

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    getreal 9:27 AM: Texting does not have anything to do with the admin taking issue with this T for Techno in a prom photo.

     
  • posted at 7:56 am on Tue, May 6, 2008.

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    "Reliable" is relative.

     
  • posted at 7:56 am on Tue, May 6, 2008.

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    Jeff wrote on May 6, 2008 10:25 AM:"I was at a social gathering with a reliable LHS Administrator."Sorry, that's not good enough.

     
  • posted at 7:54 am on Tue, May 6, 2008.

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    getreal 12:20 PM: Your comments are cryptic, gossip and innuendo. If this suspension was about something else, as you suggest, then why suspend due to a T for Techno in a photo?

     
  • posted at 7:51 am on Tue, May 6, 2008.

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    getreal 10:39 AM: You are simply incorrect.

     
  • posted at 7:20 am on Tue, May 6, 2008.

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    The suspension was not just about the "Thizz" sign. That is why this needs to go away. If it is pushed, this will come out. He is 18.

     
  • posted at 7:08 am on Tue, May 6, 2008.

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    Again, What a waste of time, the suspension is ludicrous, and the attention to this article just reveals the gullibility and level that lodi has stooped to.....end of blog.........

     
  • posted at 7:01 am on Tue, May 6, 2008.

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    To Jeff,Ignore Lodian. Lodian simply answers questions with questions and hangs out on the blogs 24/7. It is sad more than anything.Lodi Residnet

     
  • posted at 6:42 am on Tue, May 6, 2008.

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    oh, yeah, and i'm omnipitant.

     
  • posted at 5:39 am on Tue, May 6, 2008.

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    There is no argument that this article presents one side of the issue. The administration at Lodi High School knew the histories of the students in question and diciplined appropriately.

     
  • posted at 5:25 am on Tue, May 6, 2008.

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    I was at a social gathering with a reliable LHS Administrator.

     
  • posted at 5:03 am on Tue, May 6, 2008.

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    they would have said that those kids were in a gang and they would of gotten expelled and even had the cops involved. But i mean throwing up the "T" was not that bad, they didnt promote drugs even when the bay area rappers throw it up it doesnt mean they are promoting drugs.

     
  • posted at 4:58 am on Tue, May 6, 2008.

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    Lodian are you and your kids caucasian, cause if you are i would not think he was in a gang if i saw him wear red in downtown lodi or anywhere else. maybe if he was mexican yes. Like i said before if these kids were other than caucasian this would be a whole different story.

     
  • posted at 4:27 am on Tue, May 6, 2008.

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    Jeff, clearly Lodian and the parent of this 18 year old adult are in Denial. The insistance of the T for Techno is laughable, but yet sad at the same time. Hopefully this young man is back in school and attending all his classes without his phone and the ability to text. Afterall, texting is against LUSD rules, even if some teachers turn a blind eye. It is still against the rules.

     
  • posted at 4:19 am on Tue, May 6, 2008.

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    Jeff wrote on May 6, 2008 8:34 AM:" Lodian, who is spreading gossip? You don't even have a clue what is going on, you're just going off of what you've gleaned from this article and hearsay. "Jeff, again, just curious how are your comments not hearsay either? You have some interesting ideas without any validity above what anyone else (on either side of the debate) is saying.

     
  • posted at 4:16 am on Tue, May 6, 2008.

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    You haven't addressed my question on wearing red clothes as compared to this T issue. Might you do so shortly?

     
  • posted at 4:16 am on Tue, May 6, 2008.

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    So now it's okay to try and read minds and punish for what we think was on someone's mind at the time, even though the accused students have stated otherwise? And said students had a very believable explanation I might add.

     
  • posted at 4:11 am on Tue, May 6, 2008.

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    Jeff wrote on May 6, 2008 8:34 AM:"You don't even have a clue what is going on, you're just going off of what you've gleaned from this article and hearsay."#1. You do not know that for sure.#2. How is your "belief" more like the truth than what we are reading, and hearing/seeing at school?

     
  • posted at 4:08 am on Tue, May 6, 2008.

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    Jeff: This truth sure sounds like just hearsay.

     
  • posted at 3:42 am on Tue, May 6, 2008.

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    Lodian would you rather I say "Although his suspension was reduced, then re-instated because of his attitude and behavior." My qualifier did not remove the truth from this statement.

     
  • posted at 3:38 am on Tue, May 6, 2008.

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    A cover for the double entendre, 'throwing up a T', thizz, etc., that knowingly tried to get away with. Ms. Carter admitted that she knew there was the illicit meaning. Mr. Niemeyer has refused to admit so.

     
  • posted at 3:34 am on Tue, May 6, 2008.

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    Lodian, who is spreading gossip? You don't even have a clue what is going on, you're just going off of what you've gleaned from this article and hearsay.

     
  • posted at 2:56 am on Tue, May 6, 2008.

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    Jeff wrote "Although I believe his suspension was reduced, then re-instated because of his attitude and behavior."You "believe"? Nice of you to spread such gossip.

     
  • posted at 2:55 am on Tue, May 6, 2008.

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    Jeff wrote "...the T for Techno was a cover."A cover for what, Jeff? Is this like my cover for being in a gang when I wear my favorite color red?

     
  • posted at 2:52 am on Tue, May 6, 2008.

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    Jeff wrote on May 5, 2008 8:19 PM:"These kids deserve the benefit of the doubt""Not when they act like an ass."Jeff: What does this mean? Is this more gossip? Hey it may look like I am acting like an "ass" to some people if I am unjustly accused of wrongdoing too. Ya, I'd be pissed.

     
  • posted at 2:43 am on Tue, May 6, 2008.

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    I didn't include "Jeff" in my copy and paste of his comment below. Apologize for the confusion, if any.

     
  • posted at 2:36 am on Tue, May 6, 2008.

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    Not when they act like an ass. The article is not very clear/correct. My understanding is that Ms. Carter's suspension was reduced (NOT repealed) in part because she admitted that she knew there was a popular, inappropriate second meaning. Mr. Niemeyer did not. Although I believe his suspension was reduced, then re-instated because of his attitude and behavior. They both were aware of the double entandre, the T for Techno was a cover. Take your lumps and move on.Jeff, just out of curiosity....how did you come to these specific conclusions?

     
  • posted at 3:20 pm on Mon, May 5, 2008.

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    entendre

     
  • posted at 3:19 pm on Mon, May 5, 2008.

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    'These kids deserve the benefit of the doubt'Not when they act like an ass. The article is not very clear/correct. My understanding is that Ms. Carter's suspension was reduced (NOT repealed) in part because she admitted that she knew there was a popular, inappropriate second meaning. Mr. Niemeyer did not. Although I believe his suspension was reduced, then re-instated because of his attitude and behavior. They both were aware of the double entandre, the T for Techno was a cover. Take your lumps and move on.

     
  • posted at 2:03 pm on Mon, May 5, 2008.

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    Robb wrote on May 5, 2008 4:54 PM:"what a supreme waste of time and Taxpayer dollars"That's for sure.

     
  • posted at 2:02 pm on Mon, May 5, 2008.

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    My post wasn't all that clear in one part. It should have read more like this...Would you think my kid is a gang member just because he was wearing red in downtown Lodi, or anywhere else (red is a gang color in Lodi)? You are jumping to conclusions that these prom goers are into drugs, and meant to represent ecstasy/thizz, just because they made a T sign in a prom photo? Be reasonable. T is for Techno (Prom theme: Techno City).Thanks

     
  • posted at 11:54 am on Mon, May 5, 2008.

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    what a supreme waste of time and Taxpayer dollars, I have found that most of LUSD staff acts like children, but, I have heard you become who you hang around the most.... Who is more insane, the kids or the administration????

     
  • posted at 11:32 am on Mon, May 5, 2008.

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    getreal: Simply, you are wrong. These kids did not deserve a suspension from school for making a T sign for Techno in a prom photo. This is all so ridiculous. Would you think my kid is a gang member if he was wearing red in downtown Lodi, or anywhere else? These kids deserve the benefit of the doubt, as their explanation is perfectly believable. The photo was not remotely offensive or anything of the sort. The prom theme was Techno City for goodness sake. People are getting out of control with all of this zero tolerance garbage. Each case/situation needs to be looked at individually and not judged with some sweeping generalization.

     
  • posted at 11:23 am on Mon, May 5, 2008.

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    rgj - you are right they both got off easy and if in fact these would of been kids of color some of these people would not be making these kids the victims -and that is a sad statment.

     
  • posted at 6:55 am on Mon, May 5, 2008.

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    rgj: You're right. They are not known to be drug users.

     
  • posted at 6:53 am on Mon, May 5, 2008.

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    getreal: Just because something, like this time out sign, has been used for one thing (a bad thing) does not mean it still doesn't also have an innocent meaning. For goodness sake, kids can't even wear their red Lodi High colors outside of school anymore without it meaning gang association. If I wear red does that mean I am in a gang? No, it means I was just at a Lodi High function...or I just like red! I look good in red!

     
  • posted at 6:45 am on Mon, May 5, 2008.

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    i agree with u soccer mom they didnt cause any trouble the dance ended just fine,but if both threw up the "T" then both should be punished the same.

     
  • posted at 6:30 am on Mon, May 5, 2008.

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    the whole this is stupid I think both kids should be suspended or both should be allowed back in school , reguardless they deserve the same treatment .

     
  • posted at 5:18 am on Mon, May 5, 2008.

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    im pretty sure they got off easy, you know for a fact that if these kids were of color they automatically would have said they were gang bangers.

     
  • posted at 5:14 am on Mon, May 5, 2008.

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    i am in to that all kinds of music, so when i saw there pic i immediately thought they were throwing up the "T" for the thizz not necessarily for drugs, just to have fun, did you look at there faces they dont look like there drug users

     
  • posted at 4:56 am on Mon, May 5, 2008.

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    This story is one sided not because of LNS, but because of the restrictions placed on LUSD. The fact that this received the news attention that it did is ridiculous, and was a poor choice by the parent for going along it. I wish this young man and young girl nothing but the best, it was an unfortunate choice that led to unfortunate discliplinary matters. But it is not the fault of admin or the photographers that these two made this choice. Both kids have different pasts which may not lead to the same discipline.

     
  • posted at 4:47 am on Mon, May 5, 2008.

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    Reading: I do not know this kid at all, but have heard...and should apologize for repeating what I have heard, but my thoughts on this subject are based upon this story and that this mom and some of the bloggers mainly lodian and girard seem to blame this situation on the Admin, photographers, and the girl for not getting in as much trouble. The truth of the matter is that 99% of the kids out there know this means "Thizz" No one will convince me that he did not know what he was doing.

     
  • posted at 4:26 am on Mon, May 5, 2008.

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    I'm pretty sure Jeff is a teacher. "teach247365, You have some well rounded opinions on the situation, I will also agree with Jeff in the case that the LNS often reports things one sided. However, if Jeff is a teacher, surely he has something beyond rumors or armchair psycology to ad(?)

     
  • posted at 1:11 am on Mon, May 5, 2008.

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    Lodian: in my classroom, yes. My students don't know that I know they're using them. with as many students as we have in our classrooms right now, we really have to pick our battles. The cellphone battle is one I choose not to fight, unless it is blatant.

     
  • posted at 5:54 pm on Sun, May 4, 2008.

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    teach247365 wrote "Usually, if they aren't being distracting and aren't "obvious" to everyone else, I "don't see it." However, when asked outright, I say "no" every time."Is it a "Don't ask don't tell" sort of thing?

     
  • posted at 5:52 pm on Sun, May 4, 2008.

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    teach247365: Most teachers may say no to cells/ipods, but not all say no. Two out of six say yes.

     
  • posted at 5:18 pm on Sun, May 4, 2008.

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    Lodian: most teachers I know do not say "its okay." They just choose to pick their battles. It is clearly defined in the handbook that cell phones and ipods are not allowed. Usually, if they aren't being distracting and aren't "obvious" to everyone else, I "don't see it." However, when asked outright, I say "no" every time. They think they are more sneaky than they are.Giovanina: we are supposed to take the phone/ipod the very first time. Again, some teachers just pick their battles.I'm pretty sure Jeff is a teacher.

     
  • posted at 6:06 am on Sun, May 4, 2008.

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    getreal wrote on May 3, 2008 8:36 PM:" Jeff - from what I hear this is not an innocent kid, and although there is some support for this kid from some of the student body, a lot of them think this was another one of his stupid ideas. getreal, as an impartial observer, I have to ask how you and Jeff seem to have so much (albeit hearsay) personal knowledge of this kid? I also ask if you and Jeff have lived your entire lives remaining completely innocent and without any stupid ideas of your own, ever?

     
  • posted at 2:50 am on Sun, May 4, 2008.

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    First of all, most schools are supposed to be warning students the first time caught with a cellphone, not give me the phone.Secondly, even if this kid has had a reputation, or not, of pushing things to the limit, this is a separate matter. Sounds to me this kids is only acting out against an overly oppressive administration. Considering all the mediocre to totaly incompetent adminstrators that Huyett and the school board hired, I don't blame this student one bit for standing up to them. Sheeple in this blog should stop assuming guilt by rumor.

     
  • posted at 6:08 pm on Sat, May 3, 2008.

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    If anyone has not seen the picture yet, here it is...http://www.kcra.com/news/16123190/detail.html#

     
  • posted at 5:49 pm on Sat, May 3, 2008.

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    Pardon me for including getreal's post/words in my recent responses. I did not intend to do so. I sure hope this is not an indicator of some future crime I might commit.

     
  • posted at 5:47 pm on Sat, May 3, 2008.

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    getreal wrote on May 3, 2008 8:43 PM: Mom needs to be focusing on the real problem or we will be seeing his name in the paper for much worse in the future. Sounds like he does not respect authority. Maybe because mom does not give it."Are you remotely serious? If so, you seem completely out of touch with reality. Posing in a prom photo with a T sign for Techno in no way, shape, or form is an indicator that this young man will be anything less than a productive member of society as he becomes an adult.

     
  • posted at 5:41 pm on Sat, May 3, 2008.

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    getreal wrote on May 3, 2008 8:43 PM: I have heard what Jeff has said about this kid's prior discipline problem - sounds to me like this is far beyond the "T" symbol.What prior discipline problem? Stop gossiping. None of that matters in this case of suspension regarding a T for Techno. There should be no suspension for a T sign in a Techno City prom photo.

     
  • posted at 5:34 pm on Sat, May 3, 2008.

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    getreal wrote on May 3, 2008 8:43 PM: " Lodian - do you not get it? It isn't ok to text at school - it is not ok to use your phone at school, whether certain teachers allow it or not.Perhaps you didnt read all of my post. Try again I feel for some of the kids with this whole cell phone, and ipod, matter at school. Some teachers allow it (cell phone/texting and ipod use) and some don't. The kids need to make sure and remember what teacher said it's okay and which do not allow it.Like I said, I feel for them in trying to remember this fact. When a kid is told by a teacher that it is okay to use a phone or ipod they are inclined to think the teacher is telling the truth and they are okay to do so. Do you not understand this scenario?

     
  • posted at 5:30 pm on Sat, May 3, 2008.

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    getreal wrote on May 3, 2008 8:36 PM:"Jeff - from what I hear this is not an innocent kid, and although there is some support for this kid from some of the student body, a lot of them think this was another one of his stupid ideas."getreal: Now you are going to condemn someone on gossip? Shame on you. Stick to this issue and this situation. Students should not be disciplined based on gossip or if other students do not like him. Also, did you not read the article? It states that the young lady said it was here idea, not his.

     
  • posted at 3:43 pm on Sat, May 3, 2008.

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    Lodian - do you not get it? It isn't ok to text at school - it is not ok to use your phone at school, whether certain teachers allow it or not. I have heard what Jeff has said about this kid's prior discipline problem - sounds to me like this is far beyond the "T" symbol. Mom needs to be focusing on the real problem or we will be seeing his name in the paper for much worse in the future. Sounds like he does not respect authority. Maybe because mom does not give it.

     
  • posted at 3:36 pm on Sat, May 3, 2008.

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    Jeff - from what I hear this is not an innocent kid, and although there is some support for this kid from some of the student body, a lot of them think this was another one of his stupid ideas.

     
  • posted at 2:00 pm on Sat, May 3, 2008.

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    I feel for some of the kids with this whole cell phone, and ipod, matter at school. Some teachers allow it (cell phone/texting and ipod use) and some don't. The kids need to make sure and remember what teacher said it's okay and which do not allow it.

     
  • posted at 1:57 pm on Sat, May 3, 2008.

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    Jeff: How do you know this information?

     
  • posted at 1:01 pm on Sat, May 3, 2008.

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    FYI everyone: He was not suspended for texting. He was suspended for loudly and profanely and defiantly refusing to give up his cell phone after being caught texting. Texting was only the intitial infraction, the suspension was for the subsequent reaction. Let's see profane and defiant reaction... could there be a theme? Could his attitude and behavior (and maybe mom's too) be a part of the current suspension. It is true, that LNS is only reporting part of the story.

     
  • posted at 12:15 pm on Sat, May 3, 2008.

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    Perhaps the boy only meant to honor teaching by throwing the "T"? But at the salaries the LUSD admin types pull down, they are paid handsomely to decipher the behavior of children. The administration attitude is If they are, as a matter of fact, incorrect on their speculations, who cares? They get paid anyway. Students are "held accountable" but not the adult administrators.

     
  • posted at 7:23 am on Sat, May 3, 2008.

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    This is all way too much. When they have to look this hard for things to punish these kids then there is definitely something wrong with this administration.

     
  • posted at 7:21 am on Sat, May 3, 2008.

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    jrobison 9:04 AM: What did they do when you brought back a clean drug test result the next day? Was there an apology? Had they suspended you the night before? What happened?

     
  • posted at 5:44 am on Sat, May 3, 2008.

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    Many comments have moved away from the issue of the suspension and the mistake that the LHS's administration has made. The negative publicity that this has generated for the school is more ridiculous than not have 400+ students missing school because of a shooting scare. AT a parent meeting one administrator was heard to comment on the type of dancing that the high schoolers do. His comments echoed his dislike of these type of social events.

     
  • posted at 5:05 am on Sat, May 3, 2008.

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    he he, he he he. She said HARD. he he he. Yep, I've heard that before.

     
  • posted at 4:17 am on Sat, May 3, 2008.

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    (By the way, Standing Tall refers to a certain part of the male anatomy, and why the middle finger would be the accompanying gesture.) I don't agree that a 3 day suspension was appropriate for a stupid gesture. However, from what I've heard of the rest of the story, the gesture isn't the reason for 3 days. Originally, he was only getting 1. Is it true? I don't know. LNS is famous for giving only half of the story, remember that.

     
  • posted at 4:13 am on Sat, May 3, 2008.

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    I know we don't have the full story here. First of all, these two do know about T for thizz. My students were talking about it constantly, referring to "thizz faces" and I had no idea what they were talking about until one let me in on it. Perhaps it was T for Techno, but I'd bet money that they were giggling the whole time about the double meaning. That's just what kids do. All you have to do is say "that's hard", and 15 kids start busting up laughing.

     
  • posted at 4:09 am on Sat, May 3, 2008.

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    one more thing Canestrino asked if the theme of the prom was "Standing Tall," would students be allowed flip off the camera and say it meant "standing tall?"haha good one shad...how long did it take you to think of that one big man..talking about half a brain that didnt even make sense.

     
  • posted at 4:04 am on Sat, May 3, 2008.

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    As a former student of lodi (i got the hell outta there last year :)).I know about the know about this administration.They are out to get kids.I got kicked out fo football game for being "under the influence".Canestrino look in my eyes and told me i was on drugs.Him and hedi reyes try to suspend me but i came next day with a clean drug screen.(they didnt like that)Well i wanted to share these other exploits of the great lodi high new administration...SO I WILL GIVE YOU A T LODI HIGH T FOR Tyrantstay up josh :)

     
  • posted at 3:12 am on Sat, May 3, 2008.

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    Continued: So what if a "gangster" flashes a gang sign - who does that hurt? It offends another "gangster" but means nothing to me. Personally I think it makes it easier for Law enforcement to find them. But associating a symbol that has been around for 100 years with a counter culture drug doesn't make everyone that uses that common symbol a criminal. Stop the PC Police NOW.

     
  • posted at 3:08 am on Sat, May 3, 2008.

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    Lodian: Pointing out the ridiculous over-reaction on the issue has no bearing? When the "peace" sign is associated with viagra then everyone who flashes it will be punished. When some fringe group associates a "thumbs-up" to some politically incorrect issue will we have to stop that? My kids can't wear red or blue, even though they are 2 of the colors that represent our great Country. Why does society pander to the thugs and scourge?

     
  • posted at 7:13 pm on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    A kid makes a T sign in a Techno dance prom pic and another kid beats on a kid at school and they all get the same punishment/suspension. There's a problem here folks. It could be your kid next. What will you do then? Ya better worry.

     
  • posted at 7:11 pm on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    This kind of harsh punishment, for no crime, is getting out of control at Lodi High. I know of a kid that started beating up another kid, right out of the blue at school, and he got a three day suspension. Is this an equal treatment of offenders? What is going on here?

     
  • posted at 6:13 pm on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    Lodi High baseball with Josh 5-1 in league, without Josh 0-2. Watching the outfielding lately on the Lodi squad without Josh makes me thing this suspension might just have cost Lodi the league title and possibly the playoffs also.

     
  • posted at 5:45 pm on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    WOW! I can not believe that adults have come to this... I went to Lodi High they used to have a smoking section and now they suspend a kid for what they "think" is suggesting the use of a drug.. Really people let's get a life and stop this madness.. I hope this mother fights for her sons rights!!!

     
  • posted at 4:01 pm on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    Who would have a prom theme "Standing Tall" first off ~ then to suggest a middle finger gesture to go with it??? Please!!! This person actually is hired to discern, interpret and judge situations that need attention? Are you kidding me??? Good luck Mr. Atterberry ~ as long as this person has such power, your battle to maintain your, LH, LUSD reputation will continue to tarnish.

     
  • posted at 3:49 pm on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    As comment #191: Is it any wonder that after 4 years of 'okaying' school spirit with a "L" pointed high in salute for Lodi High, that students might use a "T" for Techno at their dance? My "L" will mean 'loser' for a long time. God help the students at Tokay High (if their campus security ever feeds on such drama)... most of the school would be suspended for signing the 't' in tokay! Maybe this campus security guy can be part of helping the District come up with their 8.2 million dollars in cuts!

     
  • posted at 3:28 pm on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    OOpS! The cop said he was not being arrested

     
  • posted at 3:27 pm on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    PJ Guy wrote on May 2, 2008 8:13 PM:" It is amazing to me the number of people in this community that are so in tune with culture and teenagers and are able to know beyond doubt the thoughts, intensions and motivations of people that they do not know.What arrogance and judgemental elitism to paint all students with the same broad brush. You could not have said it better, PJ Guy thanks! :)

     
  • posted at 3:25 pm on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    Read how the cops violated Terry's 1st amendment rights!!http://www.diggersrealm.com/mt/archives/002651.htmlOh he was found innocent by a jury of peers, and that jury said the police violated his civil rights. Now the student can sue the police. The reason LUSD is being very quiet, is they just violated the students civil rights. There are quiet pending many meetings with LUSD attorneys, because they blew it. Regardless, of what some armchair lawyers THINK happened, the student can only be held accountable for a crime. No threats or slander was made. He is innocent!

     
  • posted at 3:19 pm on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    But too many people on here are being accusers, by assumptions, cause you don't KNOW the facts, judge and jury.This is a normal tactic in Lodi where you accuse someone of something they didn't do, and then scare them into a false admission for the reward of a reduced sentence. This student should stick to his guns.I know a guy who protested on a sidewalk in the US, and was arrested, when the cops said he was being arrested. His crime was saying a bad word while on the sidewalk.

     
  • posted at 3:18 pm on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    Some of you assume that this mom went to the media and defended her son. Maybe she did. But maybe someone else heard of the incident and called the media. But I do know that you, the commentators so quick to point fingers and assess blame would qualify to be a school administrator, you posess the apparent qualifications.

     
  • posted at 3:13 pm on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    It is amazing to me the number of people in this community that are so in tune with culture and teenagers and are able to know beyond doubt the thoughts, intensions and motivations of people that they do not know.What arrogance and judgemental elitism to paint all students with the same broad brush.

     
  • posted at 3:11 pm on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    How many of you were wearing Red or Blue, today? Geez you were promoting Bloods and Crips you should all be arrested for being in a gang. LOLGeez the PC word police are, now, the PC thought and hand gesture police. What's next? In some countries, giving the OK sign is like flipping the bird.Making a T sign at a Techno event is NOT a crime. And yes there are a lot of people that listen to Techno and don't know the T connection. If you are a Techno cultist, that's different.

     
  • posted at 2:52 pm on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    MySpace is a public forum designed for people who mostly want to shock other people.When I was a kid, away from adults, we would talk anyway we want; about anyone we wanted; and had a good time doing it. Technology has permitted these 'conversations' to take place in a global setting. For better or for worse, this is what we've evolved into. I don't think the majority of these kids at LHS or on MySpace are 'bad.' They're growing up and spreading their wings just like we did only now it's in our faces. We (adults) need to grow up.

     
  • posted at 2:42 pm on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    girard74 7:03 PM: H5!

     
  • posted at 2:41 pm on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    It's funny how these people just come out of the woodwork with their weird references and attacks.

     
  • posted at 2:41 pm on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    ud: This situation has nothing to do with Myspace so you can stop sharing all your favorite Myspace sites.

     
  • posted at 2:39 pm on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    G. Wiman: None of what you shared has anything to do with this situation.

     
  • posted at 2:04 pm on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    Here's another of Lodi's finest throwin up the gangsta signs:http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=324835273

     
  • posted at 2:03 pm on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    I sure hope someone is getting a kick out of parroting my posts under the screen-name 'girard.' It indicates an extreme level of imagination. Oh, and for those of you who couldn't figure that out, I am being sarcastic. But you know, at this point I don't care what the majority of you think. Of those few I do care about, they know who they are.

     
  • posted at 1:59 pm on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    Now I'm going to be late in picking her up now. (My fault, not the school's.) She'll be cited for loitering if I don't get there quick. Saturday school here she comes!!!

     
  • posted at 1:13 pm on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    This "T" thing is an epidemic! I saw it early this year when the Tokay Band formed a "T" during halftime of a football game. Then during a basketball game I saw the coaches for both teams flashing the "T" until the referee got so annoyed he STOPPED the game. Later a referee even flashed the "T" and asked the coach to leave!It's about time someone was punished!

     
  • posted at 12:54 pm on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    T is for Techno.

     
  • posted at 12:53 pm on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    Sportsguru: You seem to be lumping these kids in with all the others you describe. Just because other kids are doing something inappropriate doesn't mean these kids were doing anything inappropriate. And getting suspended for this photo is 100% wrong. This situation needs to be looked at individually. These kids should not be responsible for all the other ills of youth today. These kids are not responsible for what the administration has to deal with and should not suffer because you see others doing inappropriate things on Myspace. Stop generalizing and look at this individual situation.

     
  • posted at 12:35 pm on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    Oh there "Trouble" right here in River City. Trouble with a capital "T" and it rhymes with "P" and that stands for "pool". Now I know all you folks are the right kind of parents. Would you like to know what kind of conversation goes on while their loafing along? They'll be trying out Bevo, trying out Cubads, trying 'bout Tailor maid like cigarette fiends. And bragging 'bout how they're gonna cover up a tell-tale breath with Sen Sen

     
  • posted at 12:33 pm on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    SportsGuru, interesting websites. I love the 20 year old whose occupation is "school" yet he does not know if he will go to college.Most kids are pretty cool, but there are some trying to push the boundaries all the time and their parents are clueless.I appreciate your comments.

     
  • posted at 12:17 pm on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    .To Lodian:What I am doing is demonstrating the culture that school administrators have to deal with, and why the rules that are currently are in place .. ARE IN PLACE!They have to deal with what teenagers have become. A gang-banger obsessed culture that admires dank urban behavior.The parents of the examples I have posted must be proud.

     
  • posted at 12:13 pm on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    .EXHIBIT C:Meet Yvette from Tokay High ... she is proud of her 1 finger salute, and her opening salutation ... "F YOU"...http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=11706726Lodi's FINEST!

     
  • posted at 11:58 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    siser, I remember a friend watching her daughter doing the tongue with the peace sign on a video and her saying "she is so cute." I took the time to explain what the gesture meant and the color instantly drained from her face.I got a chuckle from her expression.SportsGuru, I agree. Educate yourself on what your kids are really doing.

     
  • posted at 11:43 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    SportsGuru: What are you doing? Come back and address the prom photo, hand sign, topic. The Myspace sites have nothing to do with this topic.

     
  • posted at 11:30 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    .EXHIBIT B:Meet "m!Zz~ BE@UT!FULL* F**K ~ aLL~HaTErZ"She is a 19 year old Lodi girl who apparently loves Corona.....http://a366.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/92/l_da5bdd893623660d80c6b236fbe5bc75.jpg

     
  • posted at 11:25 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    Sports Guru - you have the completely WRONG Scott.It absoluntly amazes me how many people are blogging about this non issue. I would be willing to bet that 80% or more of the people posting on here partied at their prom. "to be more concerned with our own actions - and have no time to criticize others"

     
  • posted at 11:15 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    Scrutiny: When you add the tongue to the peace sign, I think it means something else (referencing a sexual act). It's not uncommon to see kids doing this on their myspace accounts. Also, to those parents who let their kids have computers in their rooms, they are looking at all kinds of things they shouldn't be. The kids talk at school and let each other know what websites they should check out. And, of course, they check the box that they are over 18 and they get right in.

     
  • posted at 10:57 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    .EXHIBIT A:D E N I A LEvery parent should take a half day and do SEARCHES on MySpace. Try searching on "Lodi High CALIFORNIA" and you will get some very interesting results.Below is the link to SCOTT's page. He says he is a 20 year old catholic male, whose first "waking thought" is of "morning wood" and has an income of $250,000+http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=56833282This is what American Society has become .. white boys with names from the hood and pants falling down

     
  • posted at 10:22 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    mayberry usa, 1:02 post. You make the most sense of any post on here. If you parents don't know the syndrome, it's called denial. Yes, mom, you. And girard, you're lonely and awfully mixed up today, psychoanalyzing one minute and defending yourself the next.

     
  • posted at 9:47 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    All handsigns need to be outlawed!!The "peace" V is now outlawed!!V really means Viagra, everyone knows that V means viagra!!TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE!!!

     
  • posted at 9:44 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    Took a look at the picture, and as someone who has actually been around people who have done X... These kids are NOT high in this picture. Ultimatly there were some bad choices that have lead to this: 1)the administration allowing a theme that MIGHT(even in the slightest)promote a drug atmosphere. This is probably why they are paraniod. 2) 2 Kids using a symbol they know has multiple meanings and one is in ref to drug use. Really since they BOTH made a bad choice and either they BOTH pay or NEITHER I don't get how the school gets-away-with-playing-favorites.Other-issue-was-not-even-the-same.

     
  • posted at 9:27 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    DuceDub: Be careful what conclusions you jump to when reading an online post. Girard was being sarcastic, so do not use those words as him making a definitive statement regarding his daughters "Angel" status. Good Lord!...we don't think our kids are ANGELS.

     
  • posted at 9:12 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    Lodian 1:46pm-actually he did (9:50am) so before you choose your words ever so carefully (telling me to comprehend better), you might want to actually read.

     
  • posted at 9:06 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    Now I'm going to be late in picking her up now. (My fault, not the school's.) She'll be cited for loitering if I don't get there quick. Saturday school here she comes!!!

     
  • posted at 9:04 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    DuceDub stated, 'girard, it just seems from earlier posts that the parents on here, including yourself, blame anyone but their own child for trouble they have gotten into. if i recall, you blamed her counselor.'I stated I had issues pertaining to a particular counselor regarding my daughter. No where did I say that I was blaming a counselor for anything. I did not elaborate on the subject matter because frankly it's not germane to the issue at hand.Why don't people simply 'read' what's written?

     
  • posted at 9:00 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    girard, it just seems from earlier posts that the parents on here, including yourself, blame anyone but their own child for trouble they have gotten into. if i recall, you blamed her counselor. nemo's mom blames the administration, other posters blame the school for choosing the techno theme when ultimately it's the student who makes their own decisions. in this case, whether or not they meant it, and whether or not they were on anything, they still made a bad decision knowing what the implications could be.

     
  • posted at 8:59 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    I wish I could stay and chat some more, but school is almost out and I must go and pick up my 'angel.'

     
  • posted at 8:57 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    girard74: VERY TRUE!! please please dont be a litter bug.PLUS!!! a my senior prom a few people had very sexually explicit poses. and nothing was dne about that. I would rather see a cute picture with these kids making a "T" than a girl with her butt shoved in her date's crotch.

     
  • posted at 8:54 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    class of 007 - Atterberry does pay attention to those most important of issues by 1. strutting around campus chanting, 'hat, 'hat,' 'hat, 'hat,' etc. to those adorning their heads with covers and 2. personally overseeing the littering problem that exists within the lunch area on a daily basis.I know, I know - hats are 'gang-related.' What, too much 'gang' for you, DuceDub? It is what it is.

     
  • posted at 8:51 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    DuceDub asked, 'Lodian, are you another enabling parent whose child can do no wrong? Or like girard's, whose daughter is "truly an angel?'She IS an angel. She makes mistakes and is considered a typical teenager. I've got four daughters who are, in fact, angels. The three older ones are grown, gone and living their lives as happily as they can.I would submit that aside from those whose children are truly evil, most fathers would accept the angelic side of their daughters as being the characteristics that epitomize their true essence. Those who don't aren't much of a father. (IMO)

     
  • posted at 8:50 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    Atterberry and Catestrino is always looking for ways to prove they have weight around campus. There are much worse things going o at Lodi than this. Why dont they pay attention to those things?

     
  • posted at 8:46 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    girard, one thing i would agree with on is that it doesn't make sense why the girls suspension would be rescinded. their punishments should have been the same. and since you feel so strongly about gang members being punished, if gang members were flashing blatant gang signs in their prom pictures, which keep in mind, goes out in a booklet to all students who went to prom, would you think they should be suspended for their actions?

     
  • posted at 8:46 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    DuceDub: Please be careful to comprehend better. Girard never said he thought his daughter was an angel. I never said anything of the sort either. What does that have to do with anything here. What? Question parenting skills so as to make your argument more credible? Come on. You are twisting and turning here... the fact is the T was for Techno. Big deal. It's a picture. Big deal. There are many that back up the story. Even adults. Why hammer away at good kids that were goofing around? Their claim re the T is perfectly believable and just makes perfect sense. And you dont know me, but if I thought otherwise, I would be the first one to bust their butts.

     
  • posted at 8:45 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    DuceDub asked, 'Girard, how many times must you mention the gang problems?'I suppose, DD, as many times as I wish; especially since the issue was raised in the article as well as by others here on this blog.

     
  • posted at 8:43 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    I don't care about the punishments as long as they're fair and equitable. The girl even went so far as stating understanding why the boy wouldn't want to 'cop' to devising the plan; it was HER idea. Yet she still stands beside her story that the sign was not drug-related and she gets relief and he does not.Do all of the kid-bashers not understand this fundamental difference; regardless of his texting crimes?Or would it be enough for him to say that he's sorry if what he did offended anyone? Would that work? Can he go back to school then?

     
  • posted at 8:40 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    DuceDub 1:39 PM: Thank you.

     
  • posted at 8:40 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    Lodian, are you another enabling parent whose child can do no wrong? Or like girard's, whose daughter is "truly an angel?" wake up people.

     
  • posted at 8:40 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    DuceDub: "...every one said it meant "thizzin">Let's not suspend kids based on what "everyone thinks".

     
  • posted at 8:39 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    DuceDub and Bob - What you two might not realizeis that ALL we have to go on is what IS written here. That's the purpose of this forum - to read the letters/articles and discuss them as well as to discuss what each of us contributes.If you suggest that our opinions are not valid because of information we might not be privy to, then please LNS, shut down the blogs now! What is the point?

     
  • posted at 8:39 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    yet another ignorant statement lodian.

     
  • posted at 8:38 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    WOW, it just hit me... Dub's wife is probably the one that complained about the picture. Right, Dub?

     
  • posted at 8:37 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    Lodian, yes kids can like techno without doing drugs, which is why people need to stop saying its the school who is to blame for choosing the theme of the dance. however, none of the kids i talked to said that sign meant "time out or techno" every one said it meant "thizzin" and that's where you guys need to wake up and realize they knew exactly what they were doing. the photographer probably said it was fine, because how many adults would know what it meant? i know i didn't.

     
  • posted at 8:36 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    DuceDub: Just as I thought. You don't know a thing. Also, FYI, this is an anonymous board... unless Dub is your real last name, you are anonymous to me. I don't know a Ms. Dub at Lodi High.

     
  • posted at 8:34 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    yah, fat chance i am going to jeopardize my wife's job to humor you lodian.

     
  • posted at 8:33 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    One can like Techno and not like/do thizz/drugs.

     
  • posted at 8:33 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    Bob Loblaw: Remember, the photographer is also a witness and backs up the claims that the T was for Techno. The kids were having fun with Techno. It was Techno night at the prom.

     
  • posted at 8:32 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    Girard - you are naive to think that these two kids really were promoting techno - not saying they were promoting drug use either. Even if it was that these two were just being funny. Drug use is not funny. It kills people every day and it all leads people down the wrong path. Lets not lose sight of this fact.

     
  • posted at 8:31 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    Girard, how many times must you mention the gang problems? Let me guess, you are a white middle to upper class male? YES, gangs are a problem and gang members should be punished for being pure menaces to society. However, that does not mean that the white kids who break the rules of the school or try to get away with doing something THEY KNOW THEY SHOULDN'T should be exempt from consequences. you sound just like nemo's mom...

     
  • posted at 8:28 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    DuceDub: What more is there to this story?

     
  • posted at 8:27 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    Ducefub: He signed "T" for "Techno". Gimme a break. Then maybe the principal should be suspended for allowing the "Techno" prom theme.

     
  • posted at 8:27 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    Bob Loblaw-GREAT point! My wife works at LHS and what people like girard can't seem to comprehend is that there is much more to this story. There are facts that haven't been reported and the story has been extremely one sided, coming from the "Nemo" family. Now here's a thought...the media gets a hold of a story, can only get one side of it, and then makes it into what they think will be the most interesting.

     
  • posted at 8:26 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    For those naive parents that believe their child can do no wrong, please check the myspace pages of these kids. Pictures with headlines of "getting thizzled", "smoking blunt", posing in "Captain Morgan" style, throwing up gang signals. The "G" culture is more pervasive than you think. I think the principal has a tough job and he knows his students. If he feels he needs to send out strong message then so be it.

     
  • posted at 8:25 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    mayberry usa wrote on May 2, 2008 1:02 PM: " I am sure Nemo will be living in her basement when he's 35..... "Why? Because he signed "T" for "Techno". Gimme a break.

     
  • posted at 8:23 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    I agree that the theme techno probably shouldn't have been used for a high school prom but just because techno is associated with raves and drugs doesn't mean it MAKES students take drugs or make drug references. it is all about students personal accountability and obviously they have none. these kids are either adults already or are going to be adults any day now and are not prepared to be responsible citizens when their parents are such enablers. i have asked MANY high school students what the sign meant and every single one responded "thizzing".

     
  • posted at 8:21 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    Bob Loblaw - I wasn't aware that vicodin came in 'vials.'

     
  • posted at 8:20 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    Bob Loblaw - I'm not naive at all. Yet, all we have to go by is what is written here and through KCRA. Atterberry isn't talking, claiming policy prohibits him from doing so in spite of the apparent forfeiture of privacy by both of the kids involved.My only point is absent actual proof, these kids' explanations were summarily dismissed. What do they walk away with from that type of action?And why was one's punishment reduced because of an apology that was meaningless (as I can gather from what has been reported here)?What ARE the lessons for these kids to learn?

     
  • posted at 8:19 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    I just flashed some dude the Vulcan "live long and prosper" sign and he offered me a vial of vicodin. Sweet.....

     
  • posted at 8:16 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    girard: I'll give you that the punishment does not fit the crime, but you too are naive if you really think they were not flashing a drug sign. Atterberry is not Sherlock Holmes. He has to go on what he knows about the kids, the school culture, and whatever regs he laid out for prom goers beforehand (which we don't know about). He is a smart guy and is around these kids all day. He knows what the T is for, just like everyone else. 3 days is harsh, but...

     
  • posted at 8:10 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    For some reason I'm not surprised at many of the responses here that these kids are the scourge of the earth. Perhaps some have been accosted or even mugged by some juvenile gangs or maybe the sight of them wearing funky clothes and using language of which they don't approve has caused them to be so cynical.If what they believe about kids is true, who is truly to blame? While unfair to compare kids of the 60s to today's kids, it's clear that we as a society have gone very much astray in our child-rearing. Yet, I don't see that-here.

     
  • posted at 8:04 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    It was mentioned in an earlier blog that Amanda is quite an athlete. That is true...she is an excellent diver. In fact, she placed 2nd in the sectionals yesterday (Thursday). Perhaps the diving coach has more pull than the baseball coach.

     
  • posted at 8:03 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    getreal stated, 'I hope that the publicity that mommy dearest brought in does not take away from the situation and that the kids learn from this.'In all seriousness, just what do you believe these kids should 'learn' from this entire episode? Tell me, what could possibly be the positive lesson that they can walk away with that will serve them well as adults?Distrust? Assumption of guilt? Absence of fundamental fairness?I truly want to know.By the way (no surprise here), I applaud the parent for moving ahead with this; obviously she received no justice for her son at LHS.

     
  • posted at 8:02 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    The mom needs to get Nemo out of his den and take the Grand Theft Auto game away from him. The kid knew what he was doing and mom should be more concerned about his Senior Project. I am sure Nemo will be living in her basement when he's 35.....

     
  • posted at 7:59 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    Bob Loblaw writes, 'Denying the pervasiveness of drug language and culture among our youth does them a disservice.'Assuming guilt with little or no actual proof does more of a disservice to the kids because of the apparent automatic distrust by those in authority over them.Regardless of what may or may not be pervasive in any part of our culture, jumping to conclusions is never a solution.In spite of others' insistence that these kids must somehow be 'bad,' they are still kids who are growing and learning. In the absence of real proof the benefit of the doubt should rest with-them.

     
  • posted at 7:58 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    DuceDub: You are right -If you have a reputation for such things you will be blamed even if "they really meant techno" (yeah right) and Dad, you are right...this is about being cool and being the cool guy. I hope that the publicity that mommy dearest brought in does not take away from the situation and that the kids learn from this. This mother should choose her battles - not with authority and admin but with keeping the reference to thizz out of a school event.

     
  • posted at 7:42 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    Lodian: I agree with many of your posts, but I think you are being naive here, believing the students' lame excuse. Of course the kids are going to say the T is for Techno or whatever other T-word they can think of on the spot. Of course they aren't going to admit the T is for thizz. Why would they admit that and get into more trouble? Of course their friends are going to back them. Denying the pervasiveness of drug language and culture among our youth does them a disservice.

     
  • posted at 7:35 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    The mom called them. So sad, she is so fooled and is going to these lenghts. These are not innocent kids, I know a student there who says they both have rep's as "partyers".

     
  • posted at 7:35 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    Just one more example where a school administrator jumps immediately to a high level of punishment. A little common sense would go a long way.

     
  • posted at 7:33 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    Lodian asked, 'How did the media get ahold of this story? Just curious.'I would imagine we don't need to look too much further than the principal parties involved. Who would benefit most from wider coverage of this issue?

     
  • posted at 7:27 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    How did the media get ahold of this story? Just curious.

     
  • posted at 7:03 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    "Did he throw a flying T?" Headline news? Who gives a flying you know what!!

     
  • posted at 7:03 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    Whoa Nellie! wrote 11:32 AM: "These two Seniors are respected by the students and staff alike at LHS, so says my three kids. Atterberry is way off the mark on this one. "T" is for a TERRIBLE decision by the Administration."I agree.But I do enjoy texting.

     
  • posted at 7:00 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    Hey dad: It doesn't matter what "sign" you think this was in the picture. Have you seen the picture? The students in question, other students, bystanders AND the photographer all back up the kids claim that the "T" was for "Techno". If you have such a dim view of everyone then you have the problem. A suspension for a "T" sign for "Techno" is insane.

     
  • posted at 6:58 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    Furthermore, this example may go a long way to convince our young that 'justice' and 'fairness' is not possible.Justice appears to be missing in that there was no proof of intent; obviously no drugs were found and no one believed them to be intoxicated. Yet, their explanations were dismissed out of hand.Fairness is now in question due to the administration's relieving one 'perpetrator' of punishment while upholding the others punishment. Constitutionally this goes to the 'equal protection' idea.These are incredibly wonderful lessons that Atterberrry and all else involved decided weren't important enough for these kids to learn. Again, pity.

     
  • posted at 6:56 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    The_dad wrote on May 2, 2008 11:36 AM:" What was the point of making a "T?" Are you supposed to be the "cool guy" now? Is ecstacy the "cool guy" thing to do or is just throwing up the "thizz" sign the cool thing? I mean...seriously...what did you accomplish? Hey everyone...Nemo is the "cool guy" so lets all drop some thizz!! Obviously this person (dad) is a jealous parent or something. Just look at his references about this student. I think you need to be suspended "dad".

     
  • posted at 6:56 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    Wow...poor Lodian...if you believe the "T" was for Techno you are the villiage idiot and beyond help. At least try to join us in reality.

     
  • posted at 6:54 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    getreal: What do you have against "Techno"? Do you prefer another kind of music?

     
  • posted at 6:52 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    The_dad wrote on May 2, 2008 11:36 AM:"What was the point of making a "T?" "T" was for "Techno" in the prom picture. get it? "T" = "Techno". How much more simply does this need to be for you?

     
  • posted at 6:51 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    Sorry DuceDub, I didn't even suggest that things were 'terrible' at LHS. I simply stated in response to your assertion that the administrator's wouldn't simply throw punishment around for no good reason that my experience indicates that they did and they do.I also never hinted that my kids were perfect; obviously none are. However, as they are growing up and learning, the 'benefit of the doubt' should be something used often and with the objective that some sort of lesson be attached warning our kids of what mere 'appearances' can cause others to think about them. It's about 'educating' them.

     
  • posted at 6:50 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    getreal wrote on May 2, 2008 11:45 AM:"to Lodian: Wow - Simple Clean Fun?"Yes, getreal, Techno is good clean fun.

     
  • posted at 6:49 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    getreal: OMG! GET REAL! Are you for real? Read carefully Making a T sign in a prom picture is good clean fun. NO ONE HERE IS PROMOTING DRUGS. Stop making a mountain out of a molehill. Or are you a mole?

     
  • posted at 6:45 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    to Lodian: Wow - Simple Clean Fun? Where have you been? Techno + Thizz does not equal simple clean fun. Keep trying to convince yourself of this. Ecstacy is affecting out youth and our nation. I hope this is the last time I see these young people in the paper for this type of thing - hope we are on postive footing. This girl seems to be quite an athlete.

     
  • posted at 6:45 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    You know this because of your SIX children you put through this school? I am sorry but if it was so terrible why not take your kids elsewhere? I am so sick of the "Oh no not my child" mentality, parents who think their kids are perfect and could do no wrong. Some truly have NO idea what is REALLY going on in their kids lives. This is a perfect example.

     
  • posted at 6:36 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    What was the point of making a "T?" Are you supposed to be the "cool guy" now? Is ecstacy the "cool guy" thing to do or is just throwing up the "thizz" sign the cool thing? I mean...seriously...what did you accomplish? Hey everyone...Nemo is the "cool guy" so lets all drop some thizz!! girard...you're right...you should ignore me.

     
  • posted at 6:34 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    DuceDub wrote, 'Admin's are not going to just throw punishment like this around for no reason.'Oh, I have to take issue with this idea. There are teachers and administrators at Lodi High School who lack the ability to teach and guide; as such many of their 'disciplinary' decisions made are baseless and arbitrary.I know this from experience having had six children go through that particular school.

     
  • posted at 6:32 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    Boonablis: "Rap music, texting, and posers- the decline of western civ "I could not agree more. Nothing funnier than seeing teenage white kids acting like they're the black kids they see on tv in music videos.These two Seniors are respected by the students and staff alike at LHS, so says my three kids. Atterberry is way off the mark on this one. "T" is for a TERRIBLE decision by the Administration.GO FLAMES!!!

     
  • posted at 6:31 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    They got what they had coming, parents , like the boys mom need to wake up and pay attention to what their kids are really doing. Admin's are not going to just throw punishment like this around for no reason. I couldn't stop laughing during the KCRA bit how stupid the mom and boy looked trying to throw blame at everybody else. Own up, Grow up, WAKE UP!!!

     
  • posted at 6:27 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    Trackback wrote on May 2, 2008 11:23 AM:"Honestly though, who makes a "T for techno?"Answer: The students at a "Techno" dance. It's simple clean fun.

     
  • posted at 6:26 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    getreal - I'm not mad at all. The problem is that an admonition to both of these kids would have resolved the problem; and since there is no proof of any real problem, such a discussion with them would provide a forum to teach about the 'appearance' of guilt and how that can be almost as damaging as actually committing the offense.Instead, at least from what is provided in the article, it appears that any lesson in justice and/or giving the benefit of the doubt in dubious circumstances has been completely squandered. And THAT is a pity.

     
  • posted at 6:26 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    alumn95 wrote on May 2, 2008 11:24 AM:"Confucius say You do the crime you do the time."But remember, there was no crime.

     
  • posted at 6:24 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    Confucius say You do the crime you do the time.

     
  • posted at 6:23 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    Honestly though, who makes a "T for techno?" That being said, it does seem like the punishment was rather harsh.

     
  • posted at 6:20 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    Girard are you looking for justice for the boy or equal justice or are you just mad that she did not get in as much trouble? - which would be a sad statement. What happened to her should not be an issue - first time offense vs second offense. Why do you want the girl to be punished so badly? This boy is getting his 15 minutes of fame or is it his 15 minutes of shame.

     
  • posted at 6:14 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    Wow!! The_dad weighs in with some inspiring thoughts.'Sub-humans' you say? Hmmm, I believe after reading your entire post a couple of times trying to determine 'who' you are and 'what' your intentions are, I think it best that at least I ignore you.See ya!

     
  • posted at 6:11 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    And getreal this is where we obviously disagree. If the boy had a 'history' of obscene or gang/drug-related offenses, then it would apply. Even if he was an adult with a 'history' of misconduct perhaps (just perhaps) it would be considered in determining his guilt/innocence.Here we have two teenagers accused of the very same offense. Both receive the same punishment in spite of their denials. Other than the 'beliefs' of the administrators, there is no other proof.So the girl 'apologizes' for being the one to instigate the 'offense,' but not for the supposed 'intent' and gets off easy.Justice? No way!

     
  • posted at 6:11 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    Why did the LHS approve the theme TECHNO? Are they so naive that they dont realize that ecstasy and techno parties go hand in hand!!!!??!??! Come on! and why was the girl "let off"? She had just as much cupibility as he did?? TECHNO=ECSTASY WE ALL KNOW THAT!!!

     
  • posted at 6:09 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    These worthless, sub-humans knew exactly what the "T" meant. Anyone who believes it was for "techno" is just as sub-human, including their parents. Why do you all insist on raising such trash people?

     
  • posted at 5:55 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    Lodian, yes these people should be happy. Too bad this kid was not one of the kids shown in the paper the day before regarding college aspirations. I sincerely hope that he has a wonderul life, goes to college next year and puts this all behind him. I am sure all in all he is a good kid, but this was a stupid choice.

     
  • posted at 5:50 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    Also you can take your picture without going to prom. So it looks like you went to prom or at least to your parents and you can go to the prom party instead of the dance. That is what a friend did. Yeah his parents think he went to prom because he has a picture to prove it but no he was not there. Something just needs to be done to prevent things like this from happening. You cannot punish someone with telling them the "rules."

     
  • posted at 5:47 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    Gerard what I am saying is this mom should not teach her child that just because one person did not get in the same trouble, just because one person got a ligher sentence for the same crime we should not teach our children that they were shafted, the truth is the boy has a history, I do not care how bad the history is, he has a history and when you are a second offender the punishment is worse. What happened to the girl should not be an issue to this mom, she should be happy for her.

     
  • posted at 5:46 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    In general Lodi's Prom needs to be reworked. When I went last year with my date breathalyzers were used on every student. However a lot of the people who were giving the tests got distracted and let many people in without even being tested. Heck, I could have gotten in drunk if I wanted to all I did was talk to Mr. Atterberry and he totally forgot he didnt give me the test.

     
  • posted at 5:39 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    Why would someone flip the middle finger if the dance theme was "Standing Tall"? How is that related?

     
  • posted at 5:33 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    WEG 10:30 AM: I agree. That was a really weird thing to say. Talk about trying to create a reason why this kids were punished/suspended. This is wrong. They will never admit it though.

     
  • posted at 5:32 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    These people have to be stopped.

     
  • posted at 5:30 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    This may be the worst analogy:"Canestrino asked if the theme of the prom was "Standing Tall," would students be allowed flip off the camera and say it meant "standing tall?""I cannot believe someone so ignorant is let on campus even as an officer.

     
  • posted at 5:17 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    papercut wrote on May 2, 2008 9:45 AM:" Sam, that's funny! Channel 3 news and those old goats Dave and his wife Lois."AWK, I LOVE those old goats. I think they are fun to watch. The one I hate is Mark Finan. He is a drama "king". Geez talk about scaring people with weather reports. Off the charts.

     
  • posted at 5:16 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    getreal: I know that pointing my finger at someone could mean "I gotcha" or "You're the one I love" (wink wink) or a gang member might do it to mean "You're dead" or it could mean that I just want "One taco please". Or maybe, just maybe it means "I'm #1". SO WHAT! The kids told the admin what it meant in the picture. That should be the very end of it.

     
  • posted at 5:16 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    I would think that with a regional television news outlet covering the story and the kids' participating in the story, and claim of "privacy" issues are non-existent.If it was MY kid, I'd be raising hell about now; I'd be camping out in Atterberry's office waiting for the LPD to haul me away. (Or at least that's what I "hope" I would be doing.)

     
  • posted at 5:14 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    getreal: I know that pointing my finger at someone could mean "I gotcha" or Youre the one I love (wink wink) or a gang member might do it to mean "You're dead" or it could mean that I just want "One taco please". Or maybe, just maybe it means Im #1. SO WHAT! The kids told the admin what it meant in the picture. That should be the very end of it.

     
  • posted at 5:13 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    I believe Atterberry and others are hiding behind this so-called policy of not discussing discipline on campus to keep us from fully understanding what truly has gone on here.The plot thickens - what could HE be hiding?

     
  • posted at 5:12 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    Boonablis: re: "Look at picture their high". If you saw some of my high school pictures with my 80's haircuts you could conclude the same of me, LOL!Bottom line: unless there was an explicit policy in place that said NO hand gestures whatsoever, the suspension is an excessive punishment.

     
  • posted at 5:09 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    getreal wrote "These people should all be happy that he gets to go back to school next week and let it end."Seriously?!Are you kidding me???Wow!This is complete lunacy!The admin is twisting the arms of good kids while bailing on the real crap that goes on at Lodi High.

     
  • posted at 5:08 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    Okay, getreal, how do you square the girl's early re-admission to school after an apology that did not include admitting that she made the gesture in support for the use or ecstasy, with the boy who, like she denies this intent?Where is the sense of justice or even fundamental fairness here? Just what message are the administrators sending?

     
  • posted at 5:05 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    Even when proof of innocence is presented, the students punishment remains in place. This is just another case in a line of cases. The admin never excuses after he accuses.Is the principal saving face at the students expense?

     
  • posted at 5:04 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    Lodian this is the quote "Josh Niemeyer said he is aware that making a "T" with his hands also known as "throwin' up a 'T'" could be construed as a drug reference" Lodian - We are not talking about being out on a basketball court or a field and a "timeout" being called. The kid admitted that he knew what it meant. These people should all be happy that he gets to go back to school next week and let it end. Stop the Denial

     
  • posted at 5:00 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    Lodian wrote, 'Sounds like Lodi High to me. Ugh.'And you've hit the nail squarely on the head with that statement.Bear Creek, another LUSD high school, has an entirely different set of rules on campus deportment and behavior. I suspect (but am not certain) that Tokay and McNair are also free to do as they please on their campuses.Not having any sense of consistency must be a nightmare not only for the students, but for teachers/administrators/counselors, etc., who work on two or more of these campuses during the school year.And how much do we pay these people?!?

     
  • posted at 4:58 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    "They'll be dealing with those kids, too," Canestrino saidWow, things at Lodi High must be wonderful, like Heaven, due to the lack of any other real issue on campus.NOT!

     
  • posted at 4:57 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    girard wrote "...But to SUSPEND them for three days..."Sounds like Lodi High to me. Ugh.

     
  • posted at 4:55 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    getreal - the problem here, however is that the theme was 'Techno City.' Sure, the 'T' sign can be representative of ecstasy, techno or simply wanting to take a 'time out.' In light of no one knowing for certain what the intent was, a simple admonishment (warning) to the kids would have been sufficient. And if they wanted to bring in the parents to witness the discussion then all the better.But to SUSPEND them for three days - nonsense! The further insult was to reduce one's sentence because of an apology for what? She only accepted responsibility for the idea.

     
  • posted at 4:54 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    getreal 9:50 AM: The kid said he knew what it meant, but don't we all also know what a "time out" sign is in sports?...it's the "T" sign as well. SO WHAT! The dance was "TECHNO"... "T" for "TECHNO". Get it? These kids are not druggies, gang members or bad kids. Chill out.

     
  • posted at 4:52 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    Sam, LNS watches KCRA3 for trivia and to pick up stories from Lodi. This is so they can skirt the issues like Lodi being broke and facing another negativedownrating of their credit and ssweeping the issue at Mokelumne school under the rug again, rather than a followup story about the consequences of the asbestos problem and the schools' muddled finances again.

     
  • posted at 4:51 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    girard: The admin thinks this is running a tight ship. I disagree.

     
  • posted at 4:50 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    Lodian asked, 'What can we do, girard?'Well, for me I've got some issues with a particular counselor at LHS pertaining to my 'angelic' daughter. (She really IS an angel.)Too often I've permitted certain things to 'slide' where I should stand more firmly behind and beside my kid.When the kids are indeed wrong, fine - but when there's all this 'supposing' and 'believing' that ends with probable unfair punishment or even unfair entries on 'permanent' records, it's my responsibility to insure my daughter is well represented.That's where I need to start.

     
  • posted at 4:50 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    Girard - don't twist it. The boy did know that it was a drug sign - he admitted it in this article. Sounds like you are too close for comfort. Sports Guru is "right on" on this one. This is nothing for this boy or girl to be proud of. Hopefully their misdeed will not be caught up in pitty. I hope they will both come away from this better people and not learn how to blame it on the Admin or the photographer or be mad because one got in more trouble than the other.

     
  • posted at 4:49 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    SportsGuru wrote on May 2, 2008 9:23 AM:"To avoid PARENTAL DENIAL SYNDROME, Mom should take the kid for a drug test. If he is clean, then she has a case to complain."This is not true. Even when proof of innocence is presented, the students punishment remains in place. This is just another case in a line of cases. The admin never excuses after he accuses. This young lady here was dismissed from her suspension because she admitted the "T" was her idea. Big deal...why was she suspended for this? Ridiculous!

     
  • posted at 4:46 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    Lodian asked, 'Will this really prevent these kids from graduating?'No, at this point it doesn't appear so and I didn't intend to give that impression. However, this does detract from what should be a fun and memorable last month of high school for these kids.I say dismiss this action and let them be kids for the next few weeks. Once their childhoods are gone, they're gone forever. All of us here understand that all too well.

     
  • posted at 4:45 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    What can we do, girard?

     
  • posted at 4:45 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    Sam, that's funny! Channel 3 news and those old goats Dave and his wife Lois. They'd make great additions to Lodi's city council. This whole thing sounds more like a publicity stunt than anything else.

     
  • posted at 4:45 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    ...."agree" too!

     
  • posted at 4:44 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    girard74 9:30 AM: Great post!!! And I garee!

     
  • posted at 4:44 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    But for students continuing with their educational careers in the LUSD, certainly something needs to be done with what is occurring on these campuses.While I applauded Atterberry's actions during the bomb scare, I've got a lot of problems with how he has handled his job in other matters. There's way too much policing going on to the detriment of educating.Something's gotta give; and soon. And parents need to get involved beyond whining and complaining. Including me.

     
  • posted at 4:43 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    boonablis: Wrong blog, dude.

     
  • posted at 4:43 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    Will this really prevent these kids from graduating?

     
  • posted at 4:40 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    getreal wrote, 'Only they know.'And this is the point of the entire story. Absent real proof that these two kids violated the rules, their records should be cleared of all action taken and they be permitted to return to school, make up any work missed while on this ridiculous suspension and permitted to graduate at the end of the month. If they commit any crimes between now and then, then that should be dealt with if and when necessary.

     
  • posted at 4:36 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    Girard: some drugs do not create drooping eyes or slouching bodies. Some drugs create a euphoric feeling...some make a person appear to be bright eyed. You are right, no one should be judging these kids and their drug use on a particular night based on a picture. But talk to the kids at the school - the truth is out there on who is using and is not using if a person really wants to know - please know this comment is in no direct relation to these two. Only they know.

     
  • posted at 4:36 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    boonablis: Shut up.

     
  • posted at 4:36 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    boonablis asked, 'HOW COME NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT THE GRAPE LINE-DIAL A RIDE UNION!!!!!!'What's a 'Grape Line?' :-)

     
  • posted at 4:36 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    Students are guilty until proven innocent at Lodi High. Even then, they are not forgiven and retain a black mark on their record with a suspension. Is there something wrong with this picture? I bet most of you, when you were high school students, would have flipped your lid if this happened to you. It's time the administrators do their job and deal with real problems instead of making them up.

     
  • posted at 4:34 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    Lodian wrote, 'Next, there will be suspension for picking your nose.'Actually, "pickin'" is acceptable; "flickin'" is a crime.

     
  • posted at 4:33 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    HOW COME NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT THE GRAPE LINE-DIAL A RIDE UNION!!!!!!

     
  • posted at 4:32 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    This zero tolerance crap has gotten out of control. They are just looking for things to punish these kids. Stop trying to trip up good kids and deal with the ones that are the real problems. Certainly you have better things to do than suspend kids for making a "T" for "Techno". INSANE! The dance theme was "Techno City"! Even if the theme wasn't techno this would be ridiculous. Is this all to make the admin look like they are actually doing something? Yes. Next, there will be suspension for picking your nose.

     
  • posted at 4:32 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    Has everyone gone completely insane? Administrators, CHILL OUT! (I'm making a "C" sign at you with my hand...sure hope it doesn't mean something else bad) Talk about making something out of nothing. This is ridiculous.

     
  • posted at 4:30 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    We're now stuck on the idea that even when someone is not guilty of an offense, the offer of an apology resolves the issue.We keep hearing this with so-called adults who "are" caught with their hands in the proverbial cookie jars. While caught "red handed," for some reason everything becomes hunky-dory by uttering the three simple words, "I am sorry," even when it is so obvious that the only thing they're sorry about is being caught.What ever happened to "integrity?"

     
  • posted at 4:26 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    getreal wrote, 'Whatever happened to teaching your kids to say, hey, I screwed up, please accept my apology.'So, in light of the girl's insisting that it was "not" a drug-related gesture (that earned her early re-admission to school) and the boy's consistent denial that it was a drug-related gesture, somehow the administration must be "right" and the kids are wrong.By the boy "not" caving in with an insincere "apology" for something that he does not believe he has done, his credibility is lifted. By reducing the girl's sentence under these conditions diminishes the credibility of the administration. (IMO)

     
  • posted at 4:23 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    .To avoid PARENTAL DENIAL SYNDROME, Mom should take the kid for a drug test. If he is clean, then she has a case to complain.PUTTING THIS INTO PERSPECTIVE. Because there is now screening for alcohol at high school dances, kids have resorted to sneaking in PILLS and other drugs that are easy to hide. So most dances you go to are no longer disrupted by drunken teens, but teens high on ecstacy and other drugs. Moderate a high school dance as I have and you'll learn a lot as to why policies like this are needed.

     
  • posted at 4:22 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    This is a travesty, LUSD is making a mountain out of a molehill on this one! Can`t kids have ANY fun anymore?!

     
  • posted at 4:19 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    Girard: "As you say who cares if it was the ectasy sign." a lot of people care "if it was an ecstacy sign" obviously the kid does, the mom does...or they would not be denying it. Whatever happened to teaching your kids to say, hey, I screwed up, please accept my apology. Instead it becomes a full blown story of denial When you say "discipline is done away with for fear of hurt feelings", you are right, but maybe this time the admin is trying to get it right. They are disciplining as should

     
  • posted at 4:10 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    boonablis wrote, 'look at picture, their high'Now, while neither you nor I can make that determination with certainty, I'm afraid that I just don't see what you apparently think is obvious.They're smiling; I don't see the telling slouching of their bodies or the drooping of their eyes indicating some sort of intoxication.Are you and I looking at the same picture?

     
  • posted at 4:05 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    look at picture, their high

     
  • posted at 4:02 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    I've got a copy of my High School yearbook right here on my bookshelf. When I look at those pictures in there, I often shiver with embarrassment over what I must have been thinking at the time. But overriding that are the incredible memories that flood my mind and my chill suddenly turns quite warm.These kids are making memories; the picture appears innocent and innocuous. Their own kids (not suggesting these two will have kids together) will get a kick out of seeing their parents behaving silly. I know mine do.

     
  • posted at 3:54 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    GEEZ. Why don't the administrators focus on the real troublemakers: gangbangers who use gang signs communicating with other gangbangers to shoot people? Even if this kid WAS making the sign for ecstasy, what harm was done? No one was hurt

     
  • posted at 3:53 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    Blimp, go here to kcra's site.. the photo is still up.http://www.kcra.com/news/16123190/detail.html

     
  • posted at 3:52 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    The Blimp wrote, 'I fell sorry for his date.'Why feel sorry for her? She's the one who came up with the idea?

     
  • posted at 3:46 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    Print the photo and publish it in the paper. Nothing would be more embarrassing for the boy than to have a photographic reminder of how goofy hand gestures are in pictures. I fell sorry for his date.

     
  • posted at 3:41 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    getreal wrote, 'Don't attack admin for reducing punishment when the girl had the integrity to admit her error.'What "admission" to what "error?" According to the story she claimed responsibility for instigating the pose in the picture while dismissing the notion that it was drug-related.The only "integrity" she apparently displayed was to follow someone's advice that if she went along with what the officials wanted to hear, just maybe they'd allow her back into school early.

     
  • posted at 3:37 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    papercut said "If this photo wasn't meant for public display or viewing, then what seems to be the problem?"PC, this is old news. Their photo was all over channel 3 and 10 news days ago. I saw this story and thought "How funny. Now LNS is watching KCRA to get their headlines."

     
  • posted at 3:34 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    PJ Guy , do you understand why "texting" is not permitted in class?texting example:"What is the answer to #5?"Cheating is wrong. Texting during class is NOT allowed. Actually aren't cell phones banned from campus??? Either we teach our kids to obey the rules or we throw them all out.

     
  • posted at 3:33 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    Don't attack admin for reducing punishment when the girl had the integrity to admit her error. The mom is quick to blame the school, the dance committee, the photographer, the girl for getting a reduction in her time - everyone except for the boy.

     
  • posted at 3:32 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    papercut suggested 'girard, are you on medication? You're all over the board with this one.'I believe you need to pay closer attention to how "words" are used. I'm not all over the board with anything here; I've responded with extreme sarcasm about just how ridiculous this whole situation is.That's why I write words like "seriously," after stating something that was not to be taken as such and to change the course of my conversation suggesting that what is to follow is a more sober discussion of the subject at hand.Certainly youre not that one-dimensional? Or maybe you are.

     
  • posted at 3:25 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    Are you kidding me? 3 days suspension for a hand sign? I don't care what it means. Were they high at the prom? That would be a different story. They can express themselves however they want. They are paying for the pictures and their parents are the ones hanging them on their family room walls.

     
  • posted at 3:22 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    who on earth gave the dance the 'BRANDING'authorities be real,take off the blinkers this is 2008,and sometimes goods kids just want to have fun.

     
  • posted at 3:20 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    girard, are you on medication? You're all over the board with this one.

     
  • posted at 3:19 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    This sounds like another problematic issue just like the Bill and Monica travesty. He said, she said and what is is. They're just kids and if anyone of you, including myself, haven't pulled a prank such as this, there's something wrong. If this photo wasn't meant for public display or viewing, then what seems to be the problem? I can't believe our school resource officer is wasting his time on a trivial matter such as this when the gangbangers are the real problem.

     
  • posted at 3:17 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    Yes getreal that "texting" stuff leads to harder, more violent crimes such as "talking," and "communicating" or maybe even "learning." But you are absolutely correct; this is a "bad" kid.Seriously, while there is need for order and discipline in the schools, it just seems that over time much of the "crime" that is being uncovered and prosecuted in schools is insignificant.With the removal of true discipline and parental involvement in what goes on (the removal of parents' rights insofar as what kids do outside the home), it's no wonder things get out of hand.But this story is just plain silly.

     
  • posted at 3:17 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    "Repeat Offenders"! Get real "getreal". We are talking about texting. Look to the character of the person. And he is doing the time. Josh has enough integrity to stand on his word and principles. He could say "yes it was a reference to X", but it would not change anything. This is a great lesson for Josh and all of the other kids. You don't buckle to moronic authority when you are right. But serve your time and come out of it stronger, better and wiser.

     
  • posted at 3:08 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    Reality in life is that if you are a repeat offender - the consequences to your actions will be greater. It appears to me that there is more here than what is in the paper. The girl has not had any priors - the boy has - and who knows what else he has done. Just like in real life - with the law - if you have a history of being bad you suffer the consequences. Maybe it is time for this boy to do the time? Hopefully he will learn his lesson.

     
  • posted at 3:03 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    Josh knew exactly what he was doing and he needs to learn a lesson.I think we all have had to learn valuable lessons in life.

     
  • posted at 3:03 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    I wonder if Atterbery lifted the suspension so that his star diver could compete at sections.Both of these kids are good kids. I know Josh and his family and I seriously doubt that he uses drugs of any kind.Other comments have hit it on the head. Has LHS suspended the faculty advisor for allowing a dance theme so closely related to the drug culture?

     
  • posted at 2:58 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    I dont know who this dude is trying to fool, it is obvious to anyone who keeps their ear to the street what he meant by this. Techno, a hand gesture?? what a lame cop out. he's B.S'ing us. I am not that far out of H.S. and we all kinds of lingo to cover what the underlying meaning was cut the crap, and quit being so lost

     
  • posted at 2:54 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    Not printing the pictures would be enough punishment for the student. It's hard to prove without a doubt (although it's most likely) that the T was for Thizz. I agree with LodiGirl it was very bad judgement to allow a techno theme, with the well known link to ecstasy use, to begin with.

     
  • posted at 2:51 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    Whoever made this decision must have been high.

     
  • posted at 2:42 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    So the young lady, after admitting that the pose was her idea (but rejecting the school's belief that it was ecstasy-related), was permitted to return to school prior to serving her entire sentence.If this wasn't so ridiculous it would be criminal! Some kid sticks to his guns and the "adults" (term used loosely) find out that someone else was the instigator and as a reward for being "honest," she gets her punishment lifted and Niemeyer is returned to his cell for execution of sentence? Please!!! Someone tell me these administrators have better things to do!!

     
  • posted at 2:34 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    Perhaps this student's reputation could be a basis for the punishment? I see that his prior criminal activity at LHS was for "texting" during class.Well then, that changes things. I think expulsion and not graduating is more appropriate in this case.Thank God he wasn't wearing a hat or chewing gum in furtherance of his misdeeds. Then the Lodi Police should have been involved.And we've been worried about rampant crime taking over our fair city!! Rest well, citizens - we are safe!!

     
  • posted at 2:22 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    Techno Raves and Ecstasy go hand-in-hand in our culture. However, it is debatable whether he(Josh) meant a drug hand sign or Techno. The truth probably lies somewhere in the middle. But three days for a hand gesture? How many days for actually DOing something wrong, when you get three days for symbolizing something wrong?

     
  • posted at 2:09 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    I hope LUSD stands their ground. Who does this kid think he is trying to fool?- mom for one. Glamourizing drug use should not be tolerated. The fact that they are throwing out the blame on the photographer and the school admin, are angry that the girl didn't get in as much trouble, etc. are reasons for me to believe that this student and this parent are not accepting the responsibility of poor judgement. For this alone the suspension should be left intact.

     
  • posted at 2:09 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    Wow Lodi High's prom had a Techno theme? Anybody who knows anything about Techno culture knows that Techno and X go together like peanut butter and jelly. Honestly if the school was so concerned about the drug influence on the school they would have suggested another theme. I can only guess how many of the "party" kids got blissed out of their minds thanks to the theme. These two kids may not have been downing or refrencing but really school administrators should know better then to have a theme night based around a drug culture.

     
  • posted at 1:58 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    The author wrote, 'Lodi High Principal Bill Atterberry would not answer questions about the matter, saying education code prohibits him from talking about student discipline.'Okay, but he couldn't offer his opinion regarding the situation in general? What's with our schools? Kids are suspended for three days for making a gesture in prom picture; they offer their "reasoning" when asked about it; evidently even the photographer was "witness" to the intent; school dismisses students (figuratively & actually); principal seals lips and claims he's powerless to discuss the situation. How are we (students/parents/public) to "learn" anything in this environment?

     
  • posted at 1:53 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    More from the Socialist Lib thought police. With all the things that should be enforce, in Lodi schools, they enforce this? The student is not a drug user, the theme of the event is Techno, therefore the hand gesture was not related to drugs. The example of comparing the middle finger to making a T with your hand is ridiculous. This hand sign has been used for decades by referees in sport, and just recently by the drug trade, why should the drug trade dictate. Take them to court!

     
  • posted at 1:41 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    Maybe it "was" an ecstasy sign. Who cares?Why all this concern now about what is happening within our schools? Many things that could do some good to help our youth has been halted at the doors of the school. Discipline has been done away with for fear of hurt feelings; God help any student who lowers his/her head in prayer anytime during the school day.I would be concerned over the suspension (missing much-needed scholastic training), but since there seems to be very little educating going on in our schools, what's the harm here? Diplomas aren't worth the paper they're printed-on.

     
  • posted at 1:12 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    Ahh, i wish someone would let these kids know that the whole ecstasy thing has been over for about 10 years. Yes, we are in lodi and we get things a little late. Attn: Lodi Students you are beating a dead horse. Again, there is a relation between this subject and rap music. You kids live in lodi-i am positive you guys "hella" relate to mac dre. Rap music, texting, and posers- the decline of western civ

     
  • posted at 12:33 am on Fri, May 2, 2008.

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    Gee, glad to know we can no longer use the hand sign "T"! Coaches, athletes beware. But, estasy is a very ugly drug. Plus possibly deadly. Maybe the photographer needs to ban all hand gestures in all pictures. But, would that cut into his profits? Oh, thank God for the first amendment. Abstain from judgement on the administration on this one. Will Mom and son frame this picture and hand it on the wall?

     
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