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Prayer debate continues as council prepares to vote

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Posted: Friday, September 25, 2009 10:00 pm

After months of debate, rallies and even national attention, the Lodi City Council will tackle on Wednesday the issue of whether to continue prayers before council meetings.

The council has dedicated an entire special meeting to the issue. The 6:30 p.m. meeting was moved to Hutchins Street Square to accommodate what is expected to be a large crowd.

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18 comments:

  • posted at 12:21 am on Tue, Sep 29, 2009.

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    There are two things that bother me about city council and prayer...1)Lodi residents are being asked to pay for old plumbing for older houses when water meters are put in; waste is hiking fees and the electric company for Lodi also want to raise rates. I would like to see a debate of prayer end and a debate of city services and cost begin. 2)If this city council upholds a stance that the city of Lodi can be sued over, I hope that the cost of that multi-million dollar lawsuit is divided evenly for those involved to personally pay the lawsuit--who should be the city council members and those writing comments here for prayer to be upheld. If the council upholds a stance on prayer, which has nothing to do with city government and it gets slapped with a lawsuit, and in the end I, as a resident of Lodi, winds up having to pay for the lawsuit...I will be at every city council meeting raising all kinds of hell and it will be my mission to make sure every council member no longer has a seat at the table.

     
  • posted at 4:36 pm on Mon, Sep 28, 2009.

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    I like that Lodi news this "the villain Owen " It is spot on.

     
  • posted at 8:30 pm on Sun, Sep 27, 2009.

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    And whatever happened to the separation of Church and State anyway?

     
  • posted at 8:26 pm on Sun, Sep 27, 2009.

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    Why does a prayer have to be lead? Prayer is a personal or public communion with a higher power. Why can't the meeting open with a moment of silence so everyone can pray personally to however they wish for guidance? How does the City get caught up in these things?? LOLOL

     
  • posted at 7:30 pm on Sun, Sep 27, 2009.

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    I'm very interested to see how this turns out. I feel people of all faiths should be able to pray, on their own time. If you need religious guidance to make it through a City Council meeting, set aside a few minutes for YOURSELF before the meeting begins. We live in America, where you are free to live a life without any religious pressures of any kind. It seems like a great opportunity to show how respectful we are of the diverse religious population in our town. But of course, Christians are claiming we're "silencing thier voice". There is no need for any kind of religion in government. People should make civic decisions based on common sense and reasoning, religious guidance should not be required. The real tragedy is that this is the only national press Lodi has received since our run in with terrorists. Any one paying attention must think Lodi is a backwards, close-minded place. They're probably right, too...

     
  • posted at 1:13 pm on Sun, Sep 27, 2009.

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    The local rabbi said it best. The business of the City Council has nothing to do with God.

     
  • posted at 10:52 am on Sun, Sep 27, 2009.

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    I think Prayer is a positive step.It harms no one and rather helps others to feel they are making a worthwhile contribution whilst being guided by someone whom they believe can make a difference. Do they really need a debate about prayers? No! Let them pray and get on with the important decisions.MG.

     
  • posted at 8:54 am on Sun, Sep 27, 2009.

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    I wish as many people concerned about prayer before council meetings would be just as concerned and involved in City budgets.

     
  • posted at 5:33 am on Sun, Sep 27, 2009.

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    dogs4you wrote on Sep 26, 2009 12:51 PM:"Prayer is a false sense of security and gives strength to weak people."If that is what you think, you must be doing it wrong.:)

     
  • posted at 5:32 am on Sun, Sep 27, 2009.

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    I am kind of intrigued by the current LNS campaign to legitimize Ken Owen.

     
  • posted at 6:27 pm on Sat, Sep 26, 2009.

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    dogs4you wrote on Sep 26, 2009 12:51 PM:"Prayer is a false sense of security and gives strength to weak people."We're all weak at some point.

     
  • posted at 3:03 pm on Sat, Sep 26, 2009.

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    Klingenschmitt - "He also did not have a list of expenses for the August rally, but said the money went to pay for the sound system, insurance and advertising the rally." For this he needed $7,000??? I was there. 1) That broken guitar amp (sound system) looked like it came out of someone's basement. 2) His advertising through a Facebook fanpage was free, as was his publicity on FAUX News. 3) Special Event insurance on public property? Well, someone else can price that, it's certainly way under $1,000. 4) I have no idea how much it costs to hire people to speak in tounges, but I'd guess it's comparable to a pack of Slim Jims. So, who's non-profit?

     
  • posted at 7:59 am on Sat, Sep 26, 2009.

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    Here we go again.....(sigh)

     
  • posted at 7:51 am on Sat, Sep 26, 2009.

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    Prayer is a false sense of security and gives strength to weak people.

     
  • posted at 6:26 am on Sat, Sep 26, 2009.

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    i pray that the city council makes the right decision. just use the moment of silence. all those who get offended at this point in time need to just think about furry animals or maybe their vacation. give it break already. or maybe you can just leave the meeting. get out. get out now.

     
  • posted at 6:13 am on Sat, Sep 26, 2009.

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    There is so much time and money being spent on this issue. Perhaps the city could find better use for these funds and their time. The city of Lodi could certainly use a few things right now. For Pete's sake, pray on your own and get back to city business.

     
  • posted at 5:17 am on Sat, Sep 26, 2009.

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    Ken Owen said, "The final decision that the council makes cannot be made out of concern of offending someone."Ken Owen's group and the Alliance Defense Fund are perfectly okay using a government forum to offend people of other faiths and beliefs.How does this fit into the purpose of a city council meeting, partially paid for by the very same people that are being offended?

     
  • posted at 5:02 am on Sat, Sep 26, 2009.

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    For those interested in supporting tolerance and unity, please visit http://www.LodiUnited.org.

     
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