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City of Lodi reaches out to Urdu speakers on redevelopment by providing translated material

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Posted: Friday, July 13, 2007 10:00 pm

Mohammed Shoaib looked over a city of Lodi document on redevelopment before Friday prayers at the Lodi Muslim Mosque.

The paper, titled "Redevelopment: A tool to build a better Lodi," is part of the city's public outreach to make sure people know what is at stake as Lodi gives redevelopment another look.

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37 comments:

  • posted at 11:10 am on Thu, Jul 19, 2007.

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    I'd love to hear one of our cowtown cc say "SHALOM ALEICHEM" tonight. Ah yes, this will be goood.

     
  • posted at 11:07 am on Thu, Jul 19, 2007.

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    RE: CC Meeting at Boys and Girls club.
    If I hear one "Salaam Aleikum" from any CC member I'll start laughing because I won't be able to handle the "kiss a$$ nature of our crooked politicians. They whisper about people behind their backs -until they get their votes- Then its "so long who are you?". Thats hypocrisy which is haraam and the behavior of a kafir or mushrik.

     
  • posted at 5:35 am on Thu, Jul 19, 2007.

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    Don't laugh. Those Pakistani will vote for the people that communicate with them. This is no joke.

     
  • posted at 2:03 am on Wed, Jul 18, 2007.

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    TO: Oscar - Give ME a break! 20 years down the road, when your "new" street needs to be repaved, we will ALL share that burden, just like part of YOUR taxes will pay for MY street to be repaved, hopefully, for the first time in 60 years, sometime soon. We ALL share the burden of maintaining streets, sewers, water pipes, as well as public safety. The Eastside suffers from old age, just like your NEW development will eventually.

     
  • posted at 11:04 am on Tue, Jul 17, 2007.

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    Who do you think installs and pays for all of the infrastructure in new developments? I can guarantee you it's not the City. It's the developer who pays and then passes it along to the home buyer. As a relatively new home owner I've seen the breakdown of the fees. There was almost $75,000 in fees before one nail was hammered into my home. Now my understanding is that it's almost doubled. And now new home buyers are going to be subsidizing East Side improvements. Give me a break!

     
  • posted at 8:43 am on Tue, Jul 17, 2007.

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    As soon as the old folks home and redevelopment is passed the new aquatics center and indoor sports field will be built with your money. Money for streets and infrastructure improvements? They give those free to the new developments so why should the eastside have to PAY for them?

     
  • posted at 7:32 am on Tue, Jul 17, 2007.

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    To other Eastsider - I plan to be at the meeting. I'm hoping to get some real facts and numbers, not just self-serving blah blah blah. I'm prepared to be open minded and listen, especially because I'm tired of my beautiful home being worth $50,000 less than it would be if it were off Mills Avenue instead of Stockton Street! Anything that will improve my property values is A-OKAY with me!

     
  • posted at 3:05 am on Tue, Jul 17, 2007.

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    Accept for some illegals and people trying to make their homes labor camps, the eastside has been doing a good job of remodeling homes. We do not need anymore policies the CC are trying to make. You want more money to spend on the westside and think you can take it from eastside businesses and property owners and this is wrong! If you cannot balance the budget get out of office and I will run for counsel. It is sickening to see everyday you CC want to tax for this or tax for that! you are out of control!

     
  • posted at 2:55 am on Tue, Jul 17, 2007.

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    I am an eastsider and have been for 20 years. I help spearhead that last effort the city tried to pass. We are off the subject and the CC is trying to divert attention by using the language issue. We do not need anything the CC is trying to do! They want control of more money. How many educated people hear have seen education bonds and policies passed in the name of education and yet the money completely diverted somewhere else.

     
  • posted at 12:39 am on Tue, Jul 17, 2007.

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    To: 57 year Eastside - I too live and work there - and what you're saying is a great example of the misinformation about redevelopment. No one is going to "take" your house to put in a park! But there WILL be more dollars for street and infrastructure improvements and public safety. Yes, we will have to put up with the Council's management, but that's where concerned citizens can get involved!

     
  • posted at 2:33 pm on Mon, Jul 16, 2007.

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    You can always move!!

     
  • posted at 2:14 pm on Mon, Jul 16, 2007.

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    Hi how are you, we have talked before. Next time I see you I'll invite you in for a cup of java. Can you believe the lies, absolutely unbelievable! The cc and the "good ol boyz" really must think we are morons (oops we can't use that word- someone might get offended). Lets go to the Boys and Girls club this Thursday to see what evil they have conjured up. Oops I'm supposed to be stupid- I live on the East side. A one time, most of the Dakota clubbers lived over here.

     
  • posted at 12:22 pm on Mon, Jul 16, 2007.

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    To Oscar - I am LOL! and to "Other Eastsider" - I'm the nut that walks my neighborhood with a garbage bag, picking up litter in the streets. I also am a thorn in the side of Community Improvement because I CALL ab out the junk cars and all the other problems. And you're right - NONE of this would be tolerated west of the tracks!

     
  • posted at 11:38 am on Mon, Jul 16, 2007.

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    Just asking... do US citizenship applications no longer require the ability to speak, read, and write in English? When in Rome...

     
  • posted at 10:45 am on Mon, Jul 16, 2007.

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    Eastsider - I live there and work there! And , NO! I do not want to give our city leaders the ability to take my house and put a park in it's place. Or give them anymore money than they already have. They can't manage money!

     
  • posted at 8:17 am on Mon, Jul 16, 2007.

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    Lodi residents of Pakistani heritage have spotted the insincere attempt to garner votes. The CC and devlopers are advocates of "government TO the people" rather than "government BY the people". The CC and the "good ol boyz" think that we are all idiots because we don't have their power and influence. But we do. All we have to say is NOT IN THIS TOWN! They will try to wiggle and dance, change the story, look for a public weakness and they will strike a gain. Similar to a cobra. Never trust a hungry snake.

     
  • posted at 7:44 am on Mon, Jul 16, 2007.

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    Oscar, call Ms. Mounce, she's lived on the 400 block of east Locust for many years and she'll give you the REAL info on the east side and not the same crap you and your good old boys want us to believe.

     
  • posted at 5:07 am on Mon, Jul 16, 2007.

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    This tactic is the usual Multicultural, Open Border, Globalist, menatility of "every culture and language is important", except the American Culture and English. This "politically correct" attitude is seen as "democratic", by the liberals, but it's result is a polyglot of cultures & langauges that create divisivness and tear nations apart.

     
  • posted at 2:25 am on Mon, Jul 16, 2007.

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    Eastsider, how dare you enter into this conversation. Comments from people who actually live in the proposed area and are intelligent are no longer allowed to post on this site or subject. The last thing we need is someone who lives in the area and making sense. All of us who don't live on the East Side know what's best for you. Now sit down and listen! ; )

     
  • posted at 1:52 am on Mon, Jul 16, 2007.

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    The laws are already on the books. Code enforcement won't do its job. Gangs are illegal yet graffiti keeps popping up all over the place including the boys and girls club. People are living in their cars-illegal, people are still making illegal additions to their houses-no code enforcement, and people are renting out bedrooms like an apartment-illegal. Lets fix this mess up first. The streets will always be a mess unless they are on the west side. Thats obvious.

     
  • posted at 1:17 am on Mon, Jul 16, 2007.

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    I wonder how many of you actually LIVE in the area being considered for redevelopment??? As a 12 year resident of that very area, I wholeheartedly welcome anything that will give us repaired streets, curbs, gutter, and sidewalks in areas where there is no wheelchair access, perhaps increased police presence, new economic opportunities, and encouragement for people to clean up their property.

     
  • posted at 2:38 pm on Sun, Jul 15, 2007.

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    2,500 Pakastanis out of 63,000 Lodi residents represents only 3% of the citizens. What special treatment do the other 97% percent receive? I want Jeff Hood to hand deliver a pamphlet to my house.

     
  • posted at 2:34 pm on Sun, Jul 15, 2007.

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    What happens when the citizen who speaks Urdu reads the literature (read=BS) and asks questions? Does the City now have someone on staff that translates? Another waste of money!

     
  • posted at 5:53 am on Sun, Jul 15, 2007.

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    Yes, you got it straight away. The CC weren't reaching out to Punjabis who may know Urdu - but only to the Pakistanis (Ex-Indians) many of whom are Pashtuns who speak Urdu (Lodians). This was a self-serving political gambit. They thought that if they could "kiss up" to the local Paki community they would think there was "something in it for them". The CC are projecting their selfish greed on others. The CC don't realize that the Pakis know a Kaffir or Mushrik when they see one. Al Baqarah 02:06.

     
  • posted at 4:57 am on Sun, Jul 15, 2007.

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    Ms. Mounce, please vote no on this issue you truly can't believe in and make the rest of the council and Mr. King admit this is really just a ploy to enrich themselves and their local cronies and nothing more and make them be accountable to us citizens. Don't let this pass on a unanimous vote.

     
  • posted at 5:05 pm on Sat, Jul 14, 2007.

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    What is this "reach out" nonsense. We Read, Write and speake English. We were a British colony for over a hundred years. Why you treat us like simpletons ???? City of Lodi, you are efacing and ridiculing us !!

     
  • posted at 4:51 pm on Sat, Jul 14, 2007.

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    This story is a joke? right? My people learned and now speak english. What is happening. Erdoo? There is no reasoning from this pitiful mistake. Where is the language of my granfathers? You Lodi Nuts are so wrong.

     
  • posted at 4:28 pm on Sat, Jul 14, 2007.

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    In the name of allah, can the city of lodi suck up any more ??? What in the name of all that is holy can you do more groveling? You people are sick

     
  • posted at 1:39 pm on Sat, Jul 14, 2007.

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    Lo siento mucho pero no me gusta!
    (Sorry, I don't like it!)
    Sorry, I should not have to pay for things to be translated to a foreign language in MY country.

    If these individuals want it translated, because they do not want to learn MY Language, make them pay for it! Kind of like late fees. This is America, we speak English!!!!

    BTW: I've lived in several countries, and I read, write, and speak a few dialects.

     
  • posted at 6:13 am on Sat, Jul 14, 2007.

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    The signs of a hypocrite are many among which are the following three signs: 1. He lies whenever he talks. 2. He does not fulfill his commitment. 3. He betrays the trust that he takes. In this regard Prophet Muhammad said: The signs of a hypocrite are three: when he speaks, he lies; when he gives an agreement, he does not fulfill his commitment; and when he is entrusted, he betrays the trust.

     
  • posted at 5:56 am on Sat, Jul 14, 2007.

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    Surah Al-Baqarah section 5 42. And cover not Truth with falsehood nor conceal the Truth when ye know (what it is).

     
  • posted at 5:45 am on Sat, Jul 14, 2007.

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    YES! There is a writing that shows it is haraam to "feed yourself first at a table". Redevelopment Agencies FIRST PAY themselves a salary(PORK= HARAAM) before they give us their magical truth of suggesting that we give them more money (more pork=haraam) to continue having them tell us to give even more money(pork=haraam) for their Developer friends (PORK=HARAAM). This is easy to translate. RDA = PORK = HARAAM I am sure I can find more references to pork barrel politics and the RDA. Salaam aleichem! May ALLAH protect you.

     
  • posted at 5:33 am on Sat, Jul 14, 2007.

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    YES! to be fair lets call the RDA proposal HARAAM! RDA= HARAAM thats a good bumper sticker and we can show a photo of a pig (also Haraam). That should get the point across!

     
  • posted at 5:32 am on Sat, Jul 14, 2007.

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    How are the Urdu speaking citizens going to learn that the proposed Redevelopment Agency is a scheme that is 100% guaranteed to fatten the wallets of the participants? You can not disprove this statement (as in pork). Its true and you know it. How do you translate the work "pork" or "porkbarrel politics into Urdu? Oh..I Almost forgot, most of the Urdu speakers in Lodi are Moslem and pork is considered "haraam".

     
  • posted at 5:31 am on Sat, Jul 14, 2007.

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    Amazing, you politicians just don't get it. Our government is based on open discussion of issues not "railroad jobs" where only the view of a few City Council or developer elites is presented. I can easily think of 15 reasons that redevelopment is a bad idea fiscally and organizationally.

     
  • posted at 3:38 am on Sat, Jul 14, 2007.

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    How about the rest of the communities of Lodi? Are you going to inform each and every one of us, too, in our own language so we can be informed or are you just padding the minority Pakistanis to trick them into redevelopment, too. Did you ask them if they wanted an old folks home in their neighborhood? How about informing ALL citizens and not just particular areas? I know it's already a done deal and think it's just another money grab by the CC and management team. PAM specializes in APARTMENT MANAGEMENT, not development.

     
  • posted at 2:22 am on Sat, Jul 14, 2007.

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    Great now we go beyond wasting money on spanish to obscure dialects from 10K miles away, becasue a few people here in Lodi speak them. Why don't we get some printed in Klingon, someone must speak that somewhere.
    Shouldn't all these people who LIVE here speak english and be able to read it. I am sick of this BS....

     
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