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Jason Wallis Brutal, darkly comic ‘Red State’ a game-changer for Kevin Smith

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  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 4:30 pm on Thu, Sep 29, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Since I am being bated and accused of being a troll, let me review what Jason stated.

    Jason begins his post with “but this is too good to pass up”... why would he say that... he follows with “Darrell, I can only assume you have not seen the film”. So I interpret this to mean that the only way my comments would make sense is only if I had not seen the movie ( I guess that means I am a moron in Jason's view)... this was what was good to Jason...that he could have an opportunity to, in his perception, set me straight. That was not an act of kindness but one of aggression and anger. His tone was dripping with sarcasm as he stated “its kinda hard to miss” and “I guess I'm just missing something, yeah? Yeah...”. Jason set a tone of confrontation and ridicule, which is exactly what I thought he would do. I have a perception that aggressive people who have anger inside tend to attack people who question their perception of reality.
    In my next post I made this observation.

  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 4:09 pm on Thu, Sep 29, 2011.

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    Steve stated...'m left to conclude you're either a troll, or a very bitter man. Possibly both...

    I am simply stating my opinion Steve... I stated I could not believe you think this is a film about religious fundamentalism. Considering Jason stated that I should realize that religious fundamentalism (along with government bureaucracy) is the film's primary satirical focus, and considering I still maintain this this movie is not about religious fundamentalism, it should be obvious that I perceive what this movie is about in a different light that you or Jason. Just because you do not understand what I am saying, does not mean I am a troll or bitter. In fact, I have peace of heart and am very content with my life.
    In addition to the movie, Jason gave his personal opinion as I posted earlier on real life issues and I also commented how his real view of life would influence his perception of this movie. In essence, I was giving a review on Jason as a person and how he sees reality as it relates to this movie.
    I really do not care one way or the other if you agree with me especially sense you are insulting. I should be free to post my opinion without submitting evidence to you as if you are the paper monitor.
    I am not saying Jason or you are unreasonable for seeing things as you do. However, both of you have little patience for alternate perspectives and react in a belittling aggressive manner.

  • Stephen Wiebe posted at 8:59 pm on Wed, Sep 28, 2011.

    Stephen Wiebe Posts: 17

    I've looked at every one of your replies in this thread, and nowhere have you posted anything even remotely compelling. In fact, I don't think I've ever seen a post from you making a substantive response to someone that isn't just directly attacking the person instead of the argument. I'm left to conclude you're either a troll, or a very bitter man. Possibly both.

  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 2:39 pm on Wed, Sep 28, 2011.

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    Mr Wiebe stated...Darrell, can you please clarify WTF you're talking about...

    Thanks for the kind invitation to share pleasantries... yes I "can" clarify.. but no I will not. I have learned by past engagements with you and Jason that any explanation is fruitless. In my view, it is obvious and clear what I am saying. Just like watching a movie, you get to interpret what you see. Jason gave us his interpretation. I gave you mine. By you stating WTF... you demonstrate your narrow focus of your reality.

  • Stephen Wiebe posted at 5:32 pm on Tue, Sep 27, 2011.

    Stephen Wiebe Posts: 17

    Darrell, can you please clarify WTF you're talking about? What is it exactly about the film that you're objecting to? Are you denying that the target of the film is religious fundamentalism? Or are you denying that the behavior depicted in the film is actually fundamentalist behavior? Please accompany your answer with evidence and clear reasoning without the use of ad hominem attacks to support your position.

  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:55 am on Tue, Sep 27, 2011.

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    Jason stated...Darrell, I can only assume you have not seen the film, because if you had you would surely realize that religious fundamentalism is the film's primary satirical focus

    Just the response I was expecting Jason. You clearly missed my point. You are consistent. Wouldn't you say the prism one views reality from makes a difference in how one defines things. Your comments reflect how you see religious fundamentalism, not how some others see it. Since you consistently see things from your world view and do not consider other possibilities of reality, it was predictable you would be derogatory and dismissive. You know, that superiority complex you have. If Jason sees it a particular way, then that's how it is. I have no doubt you enthusiastically and joyfully endorse this film.
    Was the head shot your favorite scene?

  • Jason Wallis posted at 1:04 pm on Sun, Sep 25, 2011.

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    Sorry for my very belated response, guys, but this is too good to pass up.

    Darrell, I can only assume you have not seen the film, because if you had you would surely realize that religious fundamentalism (along with government bureaucracy) is the film's primary satirical focus. It's kinda hard to miss. "Red State" functions just as much as a political/cultural satire as it does a "crazy hillbilly" horror flick, and by the time Michael Parks' character has delivered his 15-minute "sermon," the film has made its agenda quite clear.

    As a Christian, I very much enjoyed the movie. It's made with more flair and panache than any of Smith's other works, and proves quite adept at skewering its twin targets of homophobia (which itself is intrinsically opposed to Christ's message, I'm just saying...) and government bureaucrats.

    I guess I'm just missing something, yeah? Yeah...

  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 10:05 am on Sat, Sep 17, 2011.

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    Three very interesting comments by Jason that display's the prism he looks through that makes up his reality of real life. I would think his appreciation and enthusiasm for this movie was enhanced by his perception of reality.

    1. Smith, a man of faith who is understandably disturbed by the dangerous bigotry that has become normalized in our society in the name of “God’s love.”
    2. Granted, the Westboro-inspired militia members aren’t exactly mainstream, but their hate and vitriol isn’t too different from what you can hear from friends, neighbors and elected officials in any community on a regular basis.
    3. Need I even bring up the ongoing Prop. 8 “DEBACLE” playing out in sunny, “tolerant” California?)

  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 3:31 pm on Fri, Sep 16, 2011.

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    Stephen... same here!.. I just could not believe you actually thought this movie was attacking religious fundamentalism.. thats a crack up... Thanks!!!

  • Stephen Wiebe posted at 11:33 am on Fri, Sep 16, 2011.

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    Darrell, you crack me up.

  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:58 am on Fri, Sep 16, 2011.

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    Mr Wiebe stated...These movies are attacking religious fundamentalism, not religious moderation

    I have a feeling that Mr Wiebe actual believes his comments. I first thought he had an agenda, but after reading his post a second time and remembering past posts he submitted, a reasonable person would conclude he is sincere and honest in voicing his perception. Amazing that there are people out there who are so naive or unaware of reality. This movie is not attacking religious fundamentalism at all.

  • Stephen Wiebe posted at 6:19 pm on Wed, Sep 14, 2011.

    Stephen Wiebe Posts: 17

    These movies are attacking religious fundamentalism, not religious moderation. Religious fundamentalists (of any religion) have been motivated to do some pretty outrageous stuff in the name of their god, so it's not as if these movies are just being invented out of whole cloth.

    While Kevin Smith might be anti-fundamentalist, he is definitely not anti-Christian (as anyone who has seen Dogma knows). Our popular culture is much more friendly for moderate Christians than moderate atheists, so let's stop repeating the old trope that Christians are persecuted in our society.

    The idea that there is a gay agenda is pretty funny, unless you consider wanting to be treated with equality an agenda. I give the religious argument against homosexuality zero credence, unless you also denounce shellfish-eaters as an abomination to God, and put to death any children who disrespect their parents. If you do, kudos on your consistency!

  • Chris Wallace posted at 11:05 pm on Tue, Sep 13, 2011.

    Chris Wallace Posts: 32

    It's not as if this type of topic is original; I've seen half a dozen cannibalistic, murderous bloodthirsty "Bible believing fundamentalist" movies on the Sci-Fi er- um, SyFy channel. Ironically, you see them more often than not on Sundays.

    If my memory serves me correctly, that described the Texas Chainsaw Massacre remake with R. Lee Ermey .

  • barbara wells posted at 4:00 pm on Tue, Sep 13, 2011.

    barbara wells Posts: 25

    This may be "bold, take no prisoners film making " and a personal statement from Smith, but it sounds more like the gay agenda from Hollywood to me. And as Mr. Wallace said, being a Christian, I get enough of that. By the way, this is not the bigotry that has become normalized in our society. If it has with your friends, I suggest you change them. Besides, if you have 2 or 3 movies that bomb, there is nothing like a good pro-gay, anti-Christian movie to get you back on top!

  • Chris Wallace posted at 12:04 am on Sat, Sep 10, 2011.

    Chris Wallace Posts: 32

    Yeeeaaahhh.... Me-thinks Ima gunna pass.
    Being a person who believen in Christ (altho imperfect in my following), TEA-Party backing, and prior Bush voter, I hear every day from the so-called "mainstream" just how much of an enemy of the State and all around bad-guy I am... so I don't think I really need to shell out a few dollars for what I can get from free from the TV and internet.

    Now, as for personal Holloween favorites there are 2 films that stand out:
    John Carpenter's HALLOWEEN and An American Werewolf in London.
    Yes, they are dated but both have a special place in my heart.
    Yes, Rob Zombie did a re-make of Halloween that seemed very good "mechanical" filmmaking, but id lacked the soirit and soul of Carpenter's original.


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