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Jerry McNerney, Ricky Gill face November showdown in 9th Congressional District

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68 comments:

  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:59 pm on Tue, Jun 12, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    DB ..McNerney is an incumbent and you are light on reading comprehension

    Please use your advanced comprehension skills to answer my questions.

    I asked a series of questions so I can comprehend your intent. You appear to be disengenuous in your posts, but that might be a comprehension problem on my part.

     
  • Jerry Bransom posted at 12:06 pm on Tue, Jun 12, 2012.

    Jerry Bransom Posts: 363

    DB ..McNerney is an incumbent and you are light on reading comprehension.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:08 am on Tue, Jun 12, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Continued...


    Questions Jerry?

    1. Where did you find that detailed report on Ricky Gill?

    2. If you oppose both candidates, why did you only post significant information on Gill and nothing negative on McNerney?

    3. If you have a similar report on McNerney, why did you not post it to demonstrate your point that both candidates are equally bad?

    4. Why did you lie about Ricky Gill being rich when the report you posted showed that he had no incidence of ownership of any property? The report showed his assets less than 1.3 million total. That is supposed to be rich?

    5. His entire family's wealth is very small compared to the Kennedy, Rockefeller, , Pelosi, Reed, Kerry, Gore, Clinton families, and a host of other democrats. In addition, their money was earned by hard work and not through political favors. So why are you critical of this families money as they earned every penny through very hard work and struggle?

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:07 am on Tue, Jun 12, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Continued...


    Questions Jerry?

    1. Where did you find that detailed report on Ricky Gill?

    2. If you oppose both candidates, why did you only post significant information on Gill and nothing negative on McNerney?

    3. If you have a similar report on McNerney, why did you not post it to demonstrate your point that both candidates are equally bad?

    4. Why did you lie about Ricky Gill being rich when the report you posted showed that he had no incidence of ownership of any property? The report showed his assets less than 1.3 million total. That is supposed to be rich?

    5. His entire family's wealth is very small compared to the Kennedy, Rockefeller, , Pelosi, Reed, Kerry, Gore, Clinton families, and a host of other democrats. In addition, their money was earned by hard work and not through political favors. So why are you critical of this families money as they earned every penny through very hard work and struggle?

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:05 am on Tue, Jun 12, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Continued...


    Questions Jerry?

    1. Where did you find that detailed report on Ricky Gill?

    2. If you oppose both candidates, why did you only post significant information on Gill and nothing negative on McNerney?

    3. If you have a similar report on McNerney, why did you not post it to demonstrate your point that both candidates are equally bad?

    4. Why did you lie about Ricky Gill being rich when the report you posted showed that he had no incidence of ownership of any property? The report showed his assets less than 1.3 million total. That is supposed to be rich?

    5. His entire family's wealth is very small compared to the Kennedy, Rockefeller, , Pelosi, Reed, Kerry, Gore, Clinton families, and a host of other democrats. In addition, their money was earned by hard work and not through political favors. So why are you critical of this families money as they earned every penny through very hard work and struggle?

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:04 am on Tue, Jun 12, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Jerry Bransen stated... Read this: http://b.3dcdn.net/dccc/beb1a

    Oh my... Jerry posted the democratic party's research on Ricky Gill that is really a tool for people to have talking points to defeat him.

    Jerry pretends to support McDonald but in reality is supporting McNerney in my opinion.
    If McNerney was every bit as bad as Gill ( in Jerry's mind), and Jerry took the time to get a detailed report that the democratic party paid for, then he would also seek, find, and post information that demonstrated McNerney's potential liabilities and weaknesses.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 5:47 pm on Mon, Jun 11, 2012.

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    Jerry... thank you for explaining what a career politician is from your perspective...
    There are a couple of confusing statements though...

    Rick Gills parents are still alive and well. Ricky Gill is not a millionairre by inheritance as his parents have not died. Secondly, unless you have a copy of his parents will and/or trust, you couldn't possible know if he is their beneficiary. As far as you know, his parents may have established a Charitable Remainder Trust where Ricky inherits nothing.

    In addition, Ricky earned the Frank H. Buck Scholarship. Here is the link that shows all the people who qualified for this money. These are the best students consistently and you can see Ricki Gill is deserving in comparison to everyone else who qualified. Jerry...There are a couple of confusing statements though...

    http://www.buckfoundation.org/frank-h-buck-scholarships.html


    I am confused why you think someone who was valedictorian and scholar is not deserving. The foundation clearly states that this particular fund is specifically for achievement and not financial need.

    Each recipient must prove they have achieved and have great potential.

     
  • Jerry Bransom posted at 2:22 pm on Mon, Jun 11, 2012.

    Jerry Bransom Posts: 363

    My definition of a Career Politician is one that manages his own career rather than managing the business of the People. McNerney is self explanatory. But Ricky Gill "not a career politician"??? This is what I am talking about. Nobody wants to be bothered reading anymore. Just a little reading would reveal to you that he is indeed a career politician and even though he is literally a millionaire by inheritance, he got a full scholarship in place of someone who probably deserved it much more. I am disgusted when the richest people get the available scholarships. I worked my way to where I am!

    Read this: http://b.3cdn.net/dccc/beb1a27ece1f5ac80d_21m6bqy0z.pdf

    He is no better than McNerney. On the other hand, the guy you all rejected (McDonald) has a stellar record of creating jobs and wealth and no record of any negative job growth that I can see. I give this link however there are plenty of other news articles and documentation to back it up. CDN just did a good job of revealing the summary qualifications of Mr. Gill. And I am sure he is a nice guy, but come on.. of course he wants to be in politics to protect HIS property, not yours or mine!

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:58 am on Mon, Jun 11, 2012.

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    Jerry Bransom stated...Can you not see that both of these condidates are NOT public servants? I know there is no cure for stupid, but can you please think for once? For your children's sake?

    Now I am confused...please clarify so we can learn from you. In an earlier post on a different thread you stated..." Two Career Politicians. One with no business ability, the other with a golden spoon." ( in describing Gill and McNerney)

    Since Ricky Gill has never held a political office, how is it you say he is a career politician born with a silver spoon? Even McNerney, who I think is a rubber stamp and not much better than a trained seal, is not a carreer politician as he was not elected for the first time until he was 50 years old...

     
  • Jerry Bransom posted at 8:44 pm on Sun, Jun 10, 2012.

    Jerry Bransom Posts: 363

    I really do not understand how anyone could choose these clowns over John McDonald. I have no idea who John is but ANYTHING is better than what we are dealing with now. People.. they are not getting any negative message!! It is ALL about the money.

     
  • Jerry Bransom posted at 8:25 pm on Sun, Jun 10, 2012.

    Jerry Bransom Posts: 363

    How about this; what will it take for you people to stop voting for shysters? Can you not see that both of these condidates are NOT public servants? I know there is no cure for stupid, but can you please think for once? For your children's sake?

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:28 pm on Sun, Jun 10, 2012.

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    DB, a high percent of start ups fail. It does not matter if it is a corner 7-11 or a high tech startup

    You missed the point Mr Brown... You claim Ricky Gill was exagerating his work experience. I pointed out that McNerney even up to today, still advertises that he was a CEO of a wind turbine corporation. He does not state the company never existed and that he has no CEO experience. How many people with no employees call themselves a CEO unless they are attempting to look good in the business world.
    Clearly, McNerney is and was misleading the public and participating in the very activity that you say Ricky Gill is guilty of.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:19 pm on Sun, Jun 10, 2012.

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    William Dawes posted at 4:34 pm on Sun, Jun 10, 2012… He kept repeating over and over again about how he cosponsored the SAVE Act. Finally, the Lodi Sentinel asked him if he had cosponsored the discharge petition.....No comment from McNerney's office. He is a party line voter.

    Mr Dawes focuses on what is important . McNerney’s education, lack of training in law as well as work experience is really not very important if when it comes to crunch time ( voting on legislation that effects everyone). he votes for bad legislation like Obamacare.

    As Mr Dawes pointed out, Mcnerney is a rubber stamp for his special interests.
    Voters should select a candidate that is going to support issues and legislation of concern.
    Mr Brown is attempting to distract … Who cares what he thinks food for thought is as his food is clearly contaminated.

     
  • William Dawes posted at 4:34 pm on Sun, Jun 10, 2012.

    William Dawes Posts: 116

    I remember when I slammed McNerney about NOT cosponsoring a discharge petition to bring the SAVE Act to the floor for a vote. The Democrats were blocking it. He kept repeating over and over again about how he cosponsored the SAVE Act.

    Finally, the Lodi Sentinel asked him if he had cosponsored the discharge petition.....No comment from McNerney's office. He is a party line voter.

     
  • Ronald Brown posted at 1:53 pm on Sun, Jun 10, 2012.

    gipper Posts: 116

    DB,
    Here is some food for thought:

    As is true of all agribusiness firms, the Gills are dependent on the flow of immigration to remain competitive. Will he move away from the traditional GOP views and embrace immigration reform as suggested by former Florida Jeb Bush? It would cost him heavy with GOP voters. The GOP has killed immigration reform not only under President Obama but also under former President George W Bush.

    I agree with you that the United States is going over the fiscal cliff. The Simpson-Bowles commission recommended closing loopholes. By closing loopholes, it would mean a rise in tax rates even though overall corporate tax rates will go down. Would Ricky vote for this if elected? Jeb Bush supports this, and he was facetious during a recent interview saying that "I hope people really take me at word that I am not interested in being Vice President!"

    I am really surprised at your research on Jerry McNerney! As I have stated, I never knew he had started a company. All I knew was that he had a PhD, and that he had written position papers on alternative energy. With all of your research, I am surprised that you have not found any of his writings! LOL!.

    DB, a high percent of start ups fail. It does not matter if it is a corner 7-11 or a high tech startup. For example, Larry Ellison had two unsuccessful companies before he founded Oracle. Even then, he had to take a second mortgage on his home to get Oracle off the ground.

    In order to join the discussion of job creation, it helps that you have had a job. I think both of us would agree with this. McNerney (with or without his own company) has held a real job. Ricky Gill has not. He has failed to disclose specificially his role in the family business despite numerous opportunites to address this issue.
    In addition, he has greatly inflated his own work experience. For example, his "evolving" work experience has changed from an owner of a small beverage company to an unpaid consultant ( at the same company). I believe this is relevant because he claims on his website that as owner of this company gave him a unique perspective and ability to be an "expert" on international trade that could aid the Central Valley. So, since he was not the owner of this company, does this mean he
    is no longer an expert on international trade?

    As for making California a more competitive place to do business, this is done on a state and local level. States like Texas and Virginia are growing because each state has addressed key issues like taxes, tort reform and education that make them an attractive places to do do business.


    I am exhausted by reading all your posts DB. I need a King 888 right now!! ROFL!!

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 3:46 pm on Fri, Jun 8, 2012.

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    Mr Brown stated...The real joke is Ricky's changing position on his work experience...

    California is at a peak of insolvency, Stockton is ready to file bankruptcy, entitlements and public employee pensions are breaking the backs of our entire nation and Mr Brown wants to make an issue of Ricky Gill's work experience.

    I think a more important concern is the rubber stamp politicians who have got us into this mess; the politicians like McNerney that are responsible for getting us to this point.

    I think Mr Brown is simply attempting to distract the voters by pretending to be concerned about something very insignificant in order to shift the attention away from where it should be... on solutions to making California a more attractive place for business which will result in more private sector jobs.

    McNerney has failed and proven a Polosi rubber stamp for anti job legislation.

     
  • Ronald Brown posted at 6:51 am on Fri, Jun 8, 2012.

    gipper Posts: 116

    The real joke is Ricky's changing position on his work experience. It has changed from a small business owner of a beverage export company to an unpaid consultant at the same company. What caused this to happen?

    While I contemplate this, I will enjoy a nice King 888.

    But I do not think Ricky or his family want anyone to know about King 888.

    LOL.


     
  • Ronald Brown posted at 5:03 am on Fri, Jun 8, 2012.

    gipper Posts: 116

    I have not worked for thirty years DB. I am glad to see that you have seen some gains to your 401K.

     
  • Ronald Brown posted at 4:59 am on Fri, Jun 8, 2012.

    gipper Posts: 116

    Wow. Mr. Avila is an English teacher as well. You are really quite the man of all worlds. You are a farmer and an English teacher. Do you have any other professions?

    You still have not told me about Ricky's extensive business experience. Also, when is he going to take the bar exam?


     
  • jamie shipman posted at 3:46 am on Fri, Jun 8, 2012.

    jamie shipman Posts: 10

    There are quite a few Gill supporters Mr. Brown. And I assure you we are real people who fully intend to vote in November.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:06 pm on Thu, Jun 7, 2012.

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    Ron Brown stated... DB, you are incorrect on the fact of average malpractice premium. It differs by jurisdiction and specialty

    Ron... now you are getting comical... the point was that costs of health care have many variables. The study you cited was silly as it did not compare like variables. I was giving an example of one category that is very expensive that was not mentioned in your study. I know it varies state by state and by specialty... I was simply averaging in general. Care to comment why the study you posted neglected to articulate all the variables?


    a doctor in internal medicine in Florida could expect to pay in excess of $56,000 per year for insurance as of 2009, in contrast with Minnesota's $4,000. General surgeons paid in between $90,000 per year and $175,000 per year or more. OB/GYNs once again could expect the highest rates, with liability coverage ranging from $100,000 to $200,000 per year.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 7:54 pm on Thu, Jun 7, 2012.

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    Ron Brown stated....As for your 8% on money you could get vesting out of Social Security, let me know where you are investing. I think investors today are lucky to get 2% return on their investment. Do you have inside information that we do not know about?

    Hummm...May I suggest you get a new broker. If you have not averaged 8% over the last 35 years, I suggest you have a failed investment.

     
  • Rich Walter posted at 7:15 pm on Thu, Jun 7, 2012.

    DdubWalter Posts: 6

    Ron Brown doesn't know how to conjugate his verbs #joke

     
  • Joseph Avila posted at 7:12 pm on Thu, Jun 7, 2012.

    j_avila Posts: 7

    Hey Mr. Grammar Expert let me reveal this one to you.

    Number one "sight" is spelled "site"

    Second,

    "The points I were making were not misleading. Gill is running on family money and connections that make him well so financed. How many other 25 year olds can loan themselves $143,000 in the midst of a recession?

    Moreover, the overinflation of his work experience and resume has not only been mentioned by me. It was also stated by the Washington Examiner which is a conservative rival to the Washington Post. This is just the facts.

    Funny, I wonder how this article never made it on to Ricky's website.
    http://washingtonexaminer.com/entertainment/health/2012/04/gills-background-finances-glance/457226"

    "I were making" Seriously? Don't call me out on my English especially when all I did was use slang when you can't even use proper grammar. And I'm not gonna go through the rest. Obviously your comprehension and communication skills are in a deficit. I'm sorry that the educational system has failed you this is exactly the kind of thing that we shall see corrected with Ricky in office.

    And how was my link misleading? And let me show you how little sense you make once again.

    "First, you used MY link. The link that you gave was misleading. You never used the link that I posted on this sight."

    I apparently used your link but at the same time never used your link??? And again we get to see your very "special" spelling of site.

    You are a joke. ROFL!!!

     
  • Rich Walter posted at 7:11 pm on Thu, Jun 7, 2012.

    DdubWalter Posts: 6

    Ron Brown you're a joke!!!! Go do something productive with your life and stop talking trash about somebody you don't know. #hater

     
  • Ronald Brown posted at 6:36 pm on Thu, Jun 7, 2012.

    gipper Posts: 116

    Mr. Avila... the Ricky groupie. Have you gotten his autograph yet? I love your Stockton vernacular "my boy". It might work for you, but it is not proper English. I would not expect proper English as the quality of American education has declined. Ricky Gill would know all about it through his involvement witk KIPP. Wait, he exaggerated that.!! He only was visited KIPP twice!! Another Ricky inflation!!

    First, you used MY link. The link that you gave was misleading. You never used the link that I posted on this sight. It shows that the largest recipients were Gill related businesses. The amount of money is secondary to my argument. Also, it contradicts what was said in Washington Examiner where the Gill family businesses claimed to have only used a little over $50,000 in subsidies.

    More importantly, Ricky has campaigned as a small government conservative. He opposes subsidies and government support. So.

    1) Does Ricky practice what he preaches, or is he a hypocrite?

    2) If Ricky can "loan" himself $143,000 for his campaign, can't his family absorb $150,000 loss (YOUR figures not mine). Funny, I don't remember Ricky holding a real job, but his disclosure statements show a net worth between $1.3-$5.6 million. I wish I could have his financial situation when I was 25!! I'd settle for the lower end of the range of the money on his disclosure form!!


    Can he really describe his involvement in the family business? What "value" did he bring to the family business? How was he so involved in the family business especially during peak season when during the last seven years he was attending Princeton and Boalt? How did his business experience go from being an owner of a beverage manufacturing business with extensive knowledge of international trade to an unpaid consultant? A more important question is why would a younger brother throw his older brother under the bus to aid his political conquests? It seems Ricky has a bit Machiavellian streak in him.

    Mr. Avila, since you are a Ricky groupie, do you know when he is going to take the bar exam?

     
  • Joseph Avila posted at 5:00 pm on Thu, Jun 7, 2012.

    j_avila Posts: 7

    My boy Rich Walter doing work! This joke thinks we're staffers haha I guess he thinks no one else can be informed or able to use google.

     
  • Joseph Avila posted at 4:53 pm on Thu, Jun 7, 2012.

    j_avila Posts: 7

    Ron Brown obviously you are mathematically challenged because all of those entities added together total out to about $150,000.

     
  • Ronald Brown posted at 3:48 pm on Thu, Jun 7, 2012.

    gipper Posts: 116

    DB,
    you are incorrect on the fact of average malpractice premium. It differs by jurisdiction and specialty. For example, a much more competent neursurgeon in Chicago would pay much more for medical malpractice's than an average neurosurgeon in San Francisco. Why? This is because California caps pain and suffering at $250,000. In Illinois, particularly Cook County, does not cap damages on medical malpractice. This is because of the McCarran-Ferguson Act where insurance is regulated by the state and not by the federal government. I think you will see a wide range of premiums based mainly on specialty and location.

    Second, the point compared the Clinton like reforms of the mid-1990's. The author simply makes the point that the result delivers a better product. Contrary to your argument, there are a wide range of carriers that does not stifle competition. I look at results where the Swiss average life expectancy is around 86 and the US is 78. The infant mortality per 100,000 is much lower than Switzerland. These are quantitative facts DB.

    As for your 8% on money you could get vesting out of Social Security, let me know where you are investing. I think investors today are lucky to get 2% return on their investment. Do you have inside information that we do not know about?


     
  • Ronald Brown posted at 3:27 pm on Thu, Jun 7, 2012.

    gipper Posts: 116

    I am really humored by a Gill campaign (or pseudo campaign) staffer's post.

    First, I am reposting my link as Joseph Avila (I doubt that this your real name) did not post the right link.

    http://farm.ewg.org/addrsearch.php?s=yup&stab=US&zip=95208&z=See+Recipients&last=&first=&stab=AL&fullname


    In this, for the 95208 Zip code we see multiple Gill entities (Gill Vineyards LLC, Jasbir Gill Family LP, etc) who are among the top subsidy recipients. I have traveled through the Valley extensively, and the Valley for most of this time period thrived on construction (until 2008) and agriculture.

    Other businesses (banks, health care, etc) were there mainly to support these two industries. So no, the Gills are nowhere near the Top 10% for this zip code. They are much higher than this based on the total amount of subsidies they have received for all their business entities. I just find it ironic that a small government conservative like Ricky Gill has no problem in criticizing programs like these, but he has no problems in taking this money for a family business. Does Ricky live by the motto do as I say, and not as I do?

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 2:54 pm on Thu, Jun 7, 2012.

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    Ron Brown stated...Here is the white paper showing similar variables the Swiss health care system delivered better outcomes at less costs...

    Ron, I read your 5 page study. What did it say that makes you think the variables that determine costs in the Swiss system is similar to the variables in Obamacare or our current health system? Odd that you perceive this study is meaningful. I think you need to read first what you post as substantiation. You are beginning to look foolish.

    The study did not discuss and compare the 500+ mandated healthcare provisions our government imposes. For example, our health care system, do to the mental health parity act pays for mental health inpatient care as any other illness for unlimited time. That is very expensive. Does their system do that? Does it pay for all mental health or some... some plans have a 90 day inpatient limit while others are indefinite. This is but one of thousands of examples. If your report was 500 pages, it might have scratched the surface of what I am talking about.

    It did not compare patient satisfaction. Since it stated that their healthcare system is much more regulated that ours, yet our system is micromanaged by the government. Someone like myself would hate their system as I think our system is over regulated as it is.

    It did not compare malpractice issues. The average physician in USA pays over 100,000 per year for malpractice insurance which adds dramatically to the cost of the system. There are so many variables not addressed that I am surprised you would perceive your your report has any significance at all.

     
  • Joseph Avila posted at 1:49 pm on Thu, Jun 7, 2012.

    j_avila Posts: 7

    That trademark sign is supposed to be a "&" and "r" the comment just automatically changed so to get to the link that I would like you to see you will have to change that

     
  • Joseph Avila posted at 1:45 pm on Thu, Jun 7, 2012.

    j_avila Posts: 7

    Ronald here is some information on the subsidies received in the old 11th district that I think may help you understand the facts.

    http://farm.ewg.org/progdetail.php?fips=CA11&progcode=totalfarm&page=conc&regionname=11thDistrictofCalifornia%28Rep.JerryMcNerney%29

    The payments received by the Gill family fall nowhere in the top 20%. This is significant because the size of their farm is probably in the top 10% and that is why proportionally these payments are very small. Also these are the total payments over a 16 year period. I urge you to take this into account before you make such claims. Also if you really don't believe me go talk to a farmer about disaster payments.

    And seriously going to try to take away from the merit of my argument by accusing me of being a Gill staffer? I have no problem with being challenged on facts but making claims on which you obviously have no knowledge just shows weakness in your argument and I hope in the future you will grow up and refrain from such defamatory remarks.

     
  • Ronald Brown posted at 12:20 pm on Thu, Jun 7, 2012.

    gipper Posts: 116

    Here is the white paper showing similar variables the Swiss health care system delivered better outcomes at less costs. This is not a left wing publication. The white paper was from Uwe Reinhardt of Princeton University and published in the Journal of the American Medical Association.

    You tend to be way off, and you need to do your research.


    http://www.allhealth.org/briefingmaterials/JAMA-Uwe-1183.pdf

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 11:02 am on Thu, Jun 7, 2012.

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    Continued...

    In addition, all kids before Obamacare could be covered until age 24 if in school. If disabled, children could already be covered by their parents plans with no age restriction. Now, unemployed and working children can be covered to age 26 but everyone now has to pay much more premium to insure their family.

    Employers who were paying premiums for the dependents of their employees are now reducing what they pay and shifting the cost to the employees thanks to Obamacare.

    Lastly, Ron, you do realize that the law under Obamacare eliminates preexisting condition clauses of individual health plans, but mandates that health insurance companies can charge 200% more premium for people who have medical conditions than people who are healthy. You thnk Obamacare recuces premiums? I think you will be very surprised after 2013. Nothing in Obamacare brings down cost... that is a fantasy.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 11:00 am on Thu, Jun 7, 2012.

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    Ron Brown stated...The Obama plan was not perfect by any means, but the ban on pre-exisiting conditions, being able to carry kids until they are 26 and the individual mandate work. It is simply the law of large numbers.

    Now this point is silly. All Republicans and conservatives were willing fix healthcare problems and agreed to eliminate preexisting condition clauses from all insurance contracts. We did not need Obamacare to improve the system.

     
  • Ronald Brown posted at 10:57 am on Thu, Jun 7, 2012.

    gipper Posts: 116

    There are no material references in the system. Uwe Reinhardt a Princeton health economist noted this when he compared the differences in health care systems between Taiwan, the US and Switzerland.


     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 10:47 am on Thu, Jun 7, 2012.

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    Ron Brown stated...Funny, I do not see Tea party supporters chanting at rallys "Take away my Medicare!" or "Take away my Social Security!"

    I think you do not hear it because you do not attend...let me help you out Ron!

    Please take away my Social Security...Please give me the option to opt out. Just pay me everything I paid into the system and give me 8% return on my money that I would have earned.. I'll gladly sign a waiver saying I will not collect on any social security benefit... I do not want Social Security and neither do many people I know.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 10:43 am on Thu, Jun 7, 2012.

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    The one country that has a plan similar to Obamacare is Switzerland. Their health care costs are 10% of GDP versus close to 20% in the US,

    Please Ron, use statistics that have some value and meaning to them..You can not compare the Swiss plan to Obamacare in any way. The variables that drive up our costs do not exist in the Swiss plan. You are comparing apples and tree leaves.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 10:34 am on Thu, Jun 7, 2012.

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    Ron Brown stated... When is Ricky scheduled to take the bar exam? He cannot practice law without passing it!!

    Response... When will McNerney take his first law class ? Ricky Gill has taken all of them from a great school.


    McNerney... 13 Sponsored Bills 0 Made Into Law in 2011-2012... evidently, McNerney is not very successful in helping people in the legislative arena.

     
  • Ronald Brown posted at 8:52 am on Thu, Jun 7, 2012.

    gipper Posts: 116

    The Obama plan was not perfect by any means, but the ban on pre-exisiting conditions, being able to carry kids until they are 26 and the individual mandate work. It is simply the law of large numbers.

    The one country that has a plan similar to Obamacare is Switzerland. Their health care costs are 10% of GDP versus close to 20% in the US, and their is plenty of private health insurance to cover almost all of its citizens. There is no socialized medicine in this country.

    This has lead to greater preventive and primary care for its citizens. The results? The Swiss have an average life expectancy of 86 years versus 78 years in the US.

    Funny, I do not see Tea party supporters chanting at rallys "Take away my Medicare!" or "Take away my Social Security!"


     
  • Ronald Brown posted at 7:07 am on Thu, Jun 7, 2012.

    gipper Posts: 116

    Darrell,
    Pure and simple. Law of large numbers makes insurance profitable by balancing a large number of little or no claims with those with claims. I have put my stats up which show I am healthy. Numerous health companies rejected me, and the one that offered coverage for my condition would cost me around $36,000 a year. It is great if you a rich person, but the average person cannot do that.

    It is funny as the individual mandate and the free rider program that the administration fought for was part of the Republican contract with America in the 1994.

    Sorry Darryl, but I disagree with you on this.

    When is Ricky scheduled to take the bar exam? He cannot practice law without passing it!!


     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 5:54 am on Thu, Jun 7, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Continued...

    Look at you Ron, they have you believing that you are better off because of their actions. Were it not for them, you would be helpless to help yourself. In fact, it is the government that created the problem and is the problem all along. They control the insurance companies, dictate what is and is not covered, and how much it costs. They have you fooled Ron if you believe this law was a good start.
    Reminds me of SNAP and Mr Trotter... they had many people fooled as well.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 5:53 am on Thu, Jun 7, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Continued...

    What if you could buy a health plan that paid in hospital only 100%, no deductible. You elect to self insure doctor visits, preventative care, RX, and mental health. Your rates at age 60 would be around $200.00 per month. Unfortunately, the government mandates prevent you from buying such a policy. It does not exist. The policy mandated cost close to 700.00 per month for a 60 year old. If tort reform and fraud were addressed like you mentioned, the rates would be even lower.
    Rates for everyone would dramatically go down if free market was allowed to effect rates. In 1980 , there were dozens of insurance companies in competition. Now, there are about 10. Government intervention and control has reduced completion and increased cost.
    Obamacare had absolutely nothing to do with lower costs and better coverage. It had to do with creating more government gaining control of more people in making them dependent of the government. This is all about power... political power.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 5:52 am on Thu, Jun 7, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Ron Brown stated...The law is not perfect Darrell. I believe that it could have gripped measures in fighting health care fraud and in tort reform, but the law (and the mandate) is a good start.

    Not only is the law not perfect but it is a very bad start. The supreme court is likely to rule it is unconstitutional. I think it is very bad law. I resent being told I must buy insurance that the government creates. There are over 500 government mandates in health insurance in which insurance companies must include in their product or they will lose their license to market their plans.

    This results in you and I having to buy a product that includes coverage that we do not want. For example, Why can I not go to a insurance company buy a health plan that does not pay for mental health. If I could, the rates would be dramatically lower. That means not only does Obamacare require that I buy insurance, but buy it with benefits I do not want.

     
  • Ronald Brown posted at 5:18 am on Thu, Jun 7, 2012.

    gipper Posts: 116

    The mandate comes as the biggest area. It gets rid of the free rider solution. Very few people can predict when and where they get sick. By having the mandate in place you have the large of large numbers, and you get rid of the free rider problem. The extra premiums that are pushed to responsible people to pay will largely be gone. The responsible people will no longer be paying for irresponsible behavior of free riders!!

    The law is not perfect Darrell. I believe that it could have gripped measures in fighting health care fraud and in tort reform, but the law (and the mandate) is a good start.


     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:29 pm on Wed, Jun 6, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Ron, I am curious... what provisions of the law do you perceive reduces the cost and makes it more affordable? My guess is that you think forcing everyone into the system will reduce cost do to anti-selection issues in the health insurance industry.
    Hint... that is true...but that factor alone will not result in reduced premiums for the consumer. Much more complex than that.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:18 pm on Wed, Jun 6, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Ron stated...What do you disagree about Obamacare?

    Great question Ron... I will write a letter to the editor soon as it is important in my view.
    If you perceive it makes insurance less expensive you are badly mistaken...

     
  • Ronald Brown posted at 8:36 pm on Wed, Jun 6, 2012.

    gipper Posts: 116

    Darrell,
    We might agree on some things but:

    a) What do you disagree about Obamacare? That it gives those who were not able to afford healthcare but responsible Americans (like me) the right to buy healthcare? I guess Obama and McNerney embraced the Law of Large Numbers much earlier than Ricky Gill?
    b) When is Ricky Gill scheduled to take the bar exam?

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:15 pm on Wed, Jun 6, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Ron brown stated...No, he lacks ANY meaningful work experience.
    ( in reference to Ricky Gill)... It is the lesser of two evils. McNerney is better than Gill.

    Ron, I can understand how you might consider the work experience if you were talking about the office of the president. Even then, Obama was elected without ever having a private sector position, any executive experience and very little political skill. Even then, many Americans gladly voted for this very inexperienced man considering the vast responsibilities this office holds.
    In the case of Ricky Gill, I do not think work experience is needed to do what is most important in his position if elected. He has a Juris Doctor from Boalt Hall, the law school at the University of California, Berkeley.
    He has what it takes to understand law and interpret legislation. Most important to me is how he votes.
    For example, if he votes to repeal Obamacare and other socialistic legislation, his job experience becomes less important.
    McNerney has proven himself incompetent to control spending and to be a rubber stamp for Nancy Pelosi… Ricki Gill from my perspective will vote for legislation that will help our country, McNerney will hurt it.
    I respect you and your opinion, but I do disagree with it in this case.

     
  • Ronald Brown posted at 8:13 pm on Wed, Jun 6, 2012.

    gipper Posts: 116

    Mr. Baumbach, apparently Mr Clinton believes in his experience. That is why he came to Stockton to endorse him. Would Mr. Romney or President Bush do the same for Mr Gill?

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 7:12 pm on Wed, Jun 6, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Ron Brown stated...McNerney clearly does not exaggerate about his job experience and credentials.

    Interesting. In 2006, Jerry McNerney used in his resume in running for office that he was a CEO of G.H.R. Inc in 2004. Sounds very impressive and a position of responsibility. Problem is this corporation is not in the database in California. list of Corporations . He Lived in Pleasanton California at the time. You do a google search of this corporation and nothing appears.

    Normally when someone publically states he is a CEO of a corporation, it implies it is in charge of a major organization that has significance in our country. Could it be that McNerneyI exaggerated his qualifications or at least was misleading?
    If anyone can trace Mr McNerney’s actual CEO experience of G.H.R. Inc, please post it. I cannot find it.
    It should be easy to find if Mr McNerney was not exaggerating his experience.

     
  • Ronald Brown posted at 7:07 pm on Wed, Jun 6, 2012.

    gipper Posts: 116

    Darrell, how does he bring fresh perspective and experience? Is he like someone like Bobby Jindal who:

    1) turned his bankrupt's state's Medicaid system from red to black
    2) run a major university system (like Mr Jindal who was head of the Louisiana University system).

    No, he lacks ANY meaningful work experience. He will not even expound on his involvement in his family's agribusiness.

    It is the lesser of two evils. McNerney is better than Gill.


     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:17 pm on Wed, Jun 6, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    I think McNerney definitely shines in some military issues and concerns. However, 95% of all his activity and policies have nothing to do with military issues and are liberal through and through.

    Voting for McNerney is voting to drift toward socialized medicine like Canada and as well as many other programs that are bankrupting California’s economy. Voting for McNerney is fiscally irresponsible since he supports the union’s stranglehold of the defined benefit pension plans that we cannot [possibly afford..
    Ricky Gill brings a fresh perspective and is not part of the old political system. He is intelligent and mature beyond his years.

     
  • Ronald Brown posted at 6:09 pm on Wed, Jun 6, 2012.

    gipper Posts: 116

    It looks like I was wrong about the zip code, but I was right about the large amount of subsidies the Gills take.


    http://farm.ewg.org/addrsearch.php?s=yup&stab=US&zip=95208&z=See+Recipients&last=&first=&stab=AL&fullname=&stab2=AL

     
  • Ronald Brown posted at 6:04 pm on Wed, Jun 6, 2012.

    gipper Posts: 116

    Wow. Rich Walter, James Johnson and Joseph Avila all sound like Gill campaign staff members. I am glad they are hear to join the discussion. But I do not think these are their real names!!

    As for my point, McNerney looks to be the more viable option for the following (if not many more)

    I. Job Experience
    McNerney clearly does not exaggerate about his job experience and credentials. He is an engineer and consultant, and his work experience has been corroborated by other sources. Does he list his occupation as a businessman? No.
    On the other hand, Mr Gill has a net worth of between $1.3-$5.6 million (state filings). As a "director" of his company, he must have brought some expertise to the table. Supply Chain Management? Finance? Marketing? International Business? He does not elaborate nor do his family. When he listed himself as the owner of a small beverage firm (that was later tied to an unethical campaign contributor), he later changed his position saying that he was an unpaid consultant. Moreover, he has inflated his experience (among others) with the ETS and KIPP. If he acts this way now, how will we act when the scrutiny on him is less?

    II. Zip code
    No, Joseph you are wrong. This is not incorrect. The zip code was listed to their farm address that contains the likes of Foppiano, etc that live in Lodi NOT Stockton. Funny, Ricky campaigned as a small government conservative, but he loves to take subsidies to make his wealthy family even more rich!

    III. Veterans
    Ricky's grandparents and all others who have served need to be commended. But this goes back to WWII. Since then, America has been involved in Korea, Vietnam, the Persian Gulf and Afghanistan among others. McNerney's son served and enlisted in these conflicts. A very few federal officials kids have enlisted in the military (McNerney and South Dakota Tim Johnson are the two to come to mind). For this, we should applaud the son of Jerry McNerney. Has Ricky or his brothers ever raised their arm to serve in the military? I do not believe so. In this way, they are all chickenhawks. What have the Gill brothers been up to? One of his brothers is business partners on King888 with a partner of Harvey Whittemore. Yes, this is the same Harvey Wittemore's funds that Ricky Gill returned when allegations about him were made public.

    III. Obamacare
    As for Obamacare, I am a 40+ year old professional with superb health (6'0 , 170 lbs 120 LDL/63 HDL, 93 triglyceride). Yet, I was rejected for coverage due to a preexisiting condition. I am glad that Obama had the guts to sign this bill (and McNerney voted for it) that gave people like me (and the millions like me) access to effective health care when the market did not deem me "worthy" enough to have health care. Moreover, I am glad that he (McNerney) had the guts to stand for the idea of Medicare as a whole. Without Medicare, you would see millions of seniors worse off and choosing between rent, food and health care. You would probably see the Gill family fortune diminish. Medical providers are very receptive to Medicare versus Medicaid due to its extremely high reimbursement rate compared to other government and private plans.
    With the market subsidy that Gill and Ryan promote, do you think any health insurance company will cover those seniors with chronic health conditions? No, they will not. The same situation that is playing out in California's worker's compensation marketplace will play out in health care. The more harmless industries (well off) will be covered and those that have industries with more risk will not be covered (those with pre-exisiting conditions and chronically ill).

    IV. Ricky and the Valley
    This is laughable. Yes, Ricky was born in Lodi and lived there for the first 18 years of his life. What about after that? He attended Princeton, and he did not work in this area during all the time he was home between school years (including stints in DC and the Sacramento Kings). Moreover, when he went to Boalt, did he return home and do work in a local law firm or government office? No, he worked for the Oakland A's among other things. Where are his ties to the valley? It is incredible that a large portion of the agriculture business is done in the fall (especially harvesting of wine grapes). I'd love to hear Ricky's "extensive" involvement in the family business when he was at Boalt and Princeton. His experience probably extends from picking up his director's check and depositing it in the bank!!



     
  • Joseph Avila posted at 4:46 pm on Wed, Jun 6, 2012.

    j_avila Posts: 7

    Glad to see Ricky doing well! We desperately need a local voice.

    Ronald: Those subsidies were compared to the zip code for their PO Box in downtown Stockton so that is why they may have misled you as there are not very many farms in the city. Also those disaster subsidies are relatively very small for a thousand acres of farmland as a farmer myself I know this.

    Joanne: Both of Ricky's grandfather's fought in WWII so he understands the issues they face. Although I believe that looking out for our veterans should be a given, something that every candidate automatically does and not a headlining point.

     
  • James Johnson posted at 4:45 pm on Wed, Jun 6, 2012.

    James_Johnson1776 Posts: 1

    I agree, McNerney should NOT be voted into office again. First of all, he does not raise any money for either our local community or the central valley. Second, he voted for the stimulus that did nothing but curb the local unemployment. Lastly and most importantly he voted for Obamacare!

    Ricky Gill is the right choice and our country needs more people like Ricky to bring change into Congress to better our country.

     
  • Rich Walter posted at 4:33 pm on Wed, Jun 6, 2012.

    DdubWalter Posts: 6

    The Gill family has earned their way and have worked for everything they' ve got. They are living the American dream and Ricky Gill is trying to help other's achieve the same thing. Bettering education and creating jobs is what he is trying to bring to this valley and I think this is exactly what we need. What has McNerney done to create jobs and better education? What does McNerney know about our valley? In fact, he just moved to the valley after 5 and a half years. He doesn't know our problems. He doesn't get who we are

     
  • Rich Walter posted at 4:26 pm on Wed, Jun 6, 2012.

    DdubWalter Posts: 6

    McNerney is not the correct candidate to have to be our Congressman. He's toed the party line with Pelosi almost 100% of the time. Most importantly, he voted IN FAVOR OF OBAMACARE!! He is not the person we want!

     
  • Jerry Bransom posted at 3:12 pm on Wed, Jun 6, 2012.

    Jerry Bransom Posts: 363

    PLEASE PLEASE tell me there is anyone else on the ticket? No?? NOOOOOO!!!

    So our choice is Worse and Worser? Frick or Frack? Two Career Politicians. One with no business ability, the other with a golden spoon. Where did my America go?

     
  • Ronald Brown posted at 2:59 pm on Wed, Jun 6, 2012.

    gipper Posts: 116

    It is a little bit odd, but Ricky claims to be extremely involved in the family farming business. A busy time for any agribusiness would be in the fall (especially for growing wine grapes). How could he have managed to be so involved at this time when he was back East in college at Princeton or in law school at UC Berkeley?

    How could you trust Ricky Gill when he has clearly inflated his experience and then modified it when the scrutiny on him will be so much less in Washington D.C.?


     
  • Ronald Brown posted at 2:48 pm on Wed, Jun 6, 2012.

    gipper Posts: 116

    The points I were making were not misleading. Gill is running on family money and connections that make him well so financed. How many other 25 year olds can loan themselves $143,000 in the midst of a recession?

    Moreover, the overinflation of his work experience and resume has not only been mentioned by me. It was also stated by the Washington Examiner which is a conservative rival to the Washington Post. This is just the facts.

    Funny, I wonder how this article never made it on to Ricky's website.
    http://washingtonexaminer.com/entertainment/health/2012/04/gills-background-finances-glance/457226

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 2:02 pm on Wed, Jun 6, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    That's why we need to re-elect Jerry McNerny. He has a solid record for supporting veterans. If you are not one, not related to one, or not married to one, you cannot even fathom the mess that the VA is in right now.

    With the H e l l that GWB created in the Middle East, with veterans not receiving the care they deserve, we cannot afford a "small government" approach.

    I will be voting for Jerry McNerny in November just as I voted for him in Tuesday's primary.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 1:38 pm on Wed, Jun 6, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    GoMcnerney.com has analyzed both Jerry McNerney and Nancy Pelosi's voting records and has found that Mr. McNerney's votes were the same as Ms. Pelosi's 97.2% of the time in 2009. Out of 211 votes, McNerney has only opposed Pelosi's vote 6 times!

    It does not take much intelligence to figure out that McNerney is a rubber stamp of the Democratic party. If the Democrats take back the house,, Nancy Pelosi will likely be leader again... when she is in charge, we all know how McNerney will vote.

    Time for a change... I cannot imagine that Ricky Gill could possibly do worse. Since Gill would vote to change Obamacare, he has my vote. McNerney will never go against his party as he voted for Obamacare in the first place.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 12:25 pm on Wed, Jun 6, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Getting closer to the November election there will no doubt be many more fake posters. Mr. 209 and "Mariachi Tesoro" are only the tip of the iceberg to come.

     
  • Ronald Brown posted at 10:27 am on Wed, Jun 6, 2012.

    gipper Posts: 116

    Gill has no substance, and he is running on his parent's connections and financing.
    The man has never held or created a job in his entire life. He does not have the background or expounded it to voters that he has the marketing, supply chain, financial management skills to run these complex organizations.
    Furthermore, he has resume inflation where he has been tagged as a small business owner (later changed to an unpaid consultant) and a volunteer at KIPP (only been there twice) to records. These are some among many exaggerations.
    In addition, he claims to be a small government conservatives yet his family farming operations have some of the largest amount of subsidies in their zip code.

    He seems to be all flash and no substance.


     
  • Mariachi Tesoro posted at 10:08 am on Wed, Jun 6, 2012.

    PithyOpiner Posts: 43

    Without McDonald in the race, Gill woul have come in first and beaten McNerney. This is going to be one interesting race.

     

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