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Dayna Panella spreads a sage crumble on a her pumpkin baked ziti Thursday. Panella, a vegan, prepared vegan dishes to accompany the traditional Thanksgiving meal. (Dan Evans/News-Sentinel)

Thanksgiving feast — without turkey?

Lodi's vegan families still enjoy a Thanksgiving meal

By Maggie Creamer
News-Sentinel Staff Writer
Friday, November 27, 2009 6:26 AM PST

The smell of onions fills Dayna Panella's kitchen as she prepares ingredients for her pumpkin baked ziti and bakes a pie in the oven. Her children, 1-year-old Jake and 3-year-old Lily, are escorted to another room by her husband, Dan, as they ask when they are going to see grandma.

As Panella whirls around the kitchen in a black and white apron, stirring and whipping and chopping, it's for the most part a normal Thanksgiving scene. Except this: There is no turkey or eggs or milk to be found anywhere.

Panella is cooking two vegan dishes to take to her mother and mother-in-law's Thanksgiving dinners. She is part of a growing trend to eliminate all food that comes from animals, like meat and dairy products, from dinner tables and replace them with recipes using only freshly grown food.

While it is hard to estimate the number of vegans nationwide, a Harris Interactive Service Bureau study of 5,050 people in 2008 estimated about 0.5 percent of the population, or 1 million Americans, are vegan.

Compared to when she started as a vegetarian 11 years ago, Panella said there is more interest in the vegan lifestyle with the green, environmental movement.

Now that there are many vegan substitutes available for meat items, including bacon and sausage made from tofu and other organic materials, and stores focus on selling more organic produce, Panella said vegan foods are more available for people to try.

After family and friends started asking about Panella's lifestyle, she began teaching a class about two-and-a-half years ago. About every six weeks, Panella has classes called Conscious Cooking to teach people how to cook vegan recipes. Most people schedule the classes by contacting her at Vine and Branches, the business she owns with her husband.

"I wanted to show people you can whip stuff together, even if you haven't had time to grocery shop," she said.

Lori Moore and her 18-year-old daughter, Miriam, attend Panella's classes to broaden their cooking skills since going vegan in June, when they attended a health workshop at the Grape Festival Grounds.



Dayna Panella sautés red onions for her vegan pumpkin baked ziti. (Dan Evans/News-Sentinel)


When looking at a traditional Thanksgiving meal, Lori Moore said they will be able to eat most of the dishes. They will skip the gravy, mashed potatoes and butter, and green bean casserole, which Miriam will miss most this year.

"We will be eating the same thing as the rest of the family, with the exception of the turkey." she said.

As a main dish, they will instead eat stuffed butternut squash. They use basic stuffing mix from the store and replace the chicken broth. They are also bringing mashed sweet potatoes and pumpkin pie.

While both families are predominately vegan, they will still be attending Thanksgivings with family members who are looking forward to carving the turkey.

Panella said her husband's Italian family has had to adjust to the fact that she doesn't eat meat and cheese, which are both plentiful in their cooking.

"It's hard with my in-laws being Italian, but they do well with it. As well as they can in an Italian family," she said.

Making the change

Even within their immediate families, they don't always strictly adhere to veganism. Moore's teenage son still cooks meat occasionally to eat with dinner. Because her children are young, Panella lets them have macaroni and cheese because it is one of the few foods they will eat.

There are a variety of reasons people choose to make the switch to veganism. Lori and Miram Moore changed their diets mostly because they had heard so much about protein causing diseases, like diabetes, heart disease or obesity.

Since going vegan, Lori Moore said she has gone down two dress sizes even though she hasn't been exercising.

"You are eating fresh produce so low in calories but so high in what your bodies want," she said.

The amount of time they spend in the kitchen to make vegan dishes is about the same, Lori Moore said, but they do have to be more conscious about their choices. She has learned how to read nutrition labels for dairy and meat byproducts, and Miriam Moore often looks for new recipes online.

But since they have gone vegan, they both agree that the range of flavors in their food has expanded.

Panella was a vegetarian before she became a zookeeper, and has been vegan off-and-on for the past 11 years. While she believes humans were meant to eat meat, she does not believe we should be consuming so much of it, and her concerns about unsustainable farming practices is what made her go vegan permanently three years ago.

"If we lower the amount of meat we eat, it will lower the demand, lower the health risks and create a lot more feed and grain to feed people," she said.

Socially, some of the people who work in the factories are traumatized by slaughtering so many cows, she said. Environmentally, there is runoff from the farms polluting waterways, corn fields are being stripped to mainly be used as grain instead of food and the animals are being cranked through for slaughter.

But even though her commitment to being vegan is firm, she admits it can be hard around the holidays when there are so many recipes calling for dairy. She said it is usually easy to avoid the meat, but it's hard to avoid all the chocolate dishes and the comfort food.

Both families solve this problem by bringing vegan options when possible. This year, at the end of the Moores' Thanksgiving dinner, their family will top off the meal with a vegan pumpkin pie.

"We will forego the whipped cream — others may not," Lori Moore said.

Contact reporter Maggie Creamer at maggiec@lodinews.com or read her blog at www.lodinews.com/blogs/citybuzz.

Vegan recipes, from cashew ricotta to cranberry sauce

Want to try some vegan recipes this holiday season? Dayna Panella and Irma Chen contibuted recipes below for some of their favorite holiday dishes.

About every six weeks, Panella hosts classes called Conscious Cooking to teach people how to cook vegan dishes. Most people schedule the classes by contacting her at Vine and Branches, the business she owns with her husband.

Irma Chen works with her husband, George Chen, to help people join the Coronary Health Improvement Project. It is a plant-based diet geared toward lowering cholesterol and lowering the chance of diseases, like obesity, diabetes and cancer. For more information on the program, contact Irma Chen at 334-0200.

Dayna Panella's recipes

Pumpkin baked ziti with carmelized onions and sage crumble

3/4 pound uncooked ziti or penne pasta
2 onions, sliced very thinly
3 tablespoons olive oil
Cashew ricotta (see recipe below)
1 tablespoon brown sugar
1/4 teaspoon ground nutmeg
White pepper and cayenne
2 cups pumpkin or 1 15-ounce can pumpkin puree (not pumpkin pie mix)
1/4 cup vegetable broth
To make sage bread crumbles:
1 1/4 cups bread crumbs
1/4 cup walnut pieces, chopped in a food processor until resembling coarse crumbs
2 tablespoons olive oil or vegan butter/margarine
1 teaspoon dried oregano leaves
1/2 teaspoon dried oregano leaves
1/4 teaspoon ground paprika
Salt and freshly ground black pepper

To make sage bread crumbles:

Preheat the oven to 375 degrees. Lightly grease a 9-by-11-inch baking dish with olive oil.

Prepare the pasta according to the package directions, about 10 minutes. Drain, rinse and drain again. Set asde.

Preheat a large pan over medium heat. Saute the onions in oil until some are very brown and carmelized, 12 to 15 minutes. Set aside.

Place the cashew ricotta (see recipe below) in a large bowl and fold in the pumpkin puree, brown sugar, nutmeg, white pepper, cayenne and vegetable broth. Add the cooked pasta and carmelized onions, stirring to coat the pasta. Pour the mixture in the prepared baking dish and press lightly to level it.

Prepare the sage crumbles by heating the oil in a large skillet over medium heat.

Heat the oil or vegan butter or margarine in a large skillet over medium heat. Stir in the bread crumbs, walnuts, dried herbs and paprika, and season with salt and pepper. Stir constantly until the mixture is lightly coated, 3 to 4 minutes. Remove from heat and sprinkle evenly over the pasta.

Bake for 28 to 30 minutes until the top of the pasta is golden brown. Cool for 10 minutes before slicing and serving.

Cashew ricotta

(This can be added to baked or stuffed pasta, but also makes a great veggie dip or sandwich spread.)
1/2 cup raw cashew pieces
1/4 fresh lemon juice
2 tablespoons olive oil
2 cloves garlic
1 pound firm tofu, drained and crumbled
1 1/2 teaspoons dried basil
1 1/2 teaspoons salt

In a food processor, blend together the cashews, lemon juice, olice oil and garlic until a think creamy paste forms. Add the crumbled tofu to the food processor, working in two or more batches, until the mixture is thick and well blended. Blend in the basil and salt.

Mashed sweet potatoes

1 large head of garlic
1 tablespoon rosemary, finely chopped
1 tablespoon olive oil
4 large sweet potatoes, peeled and diced (8 cups)
2 large apples, peeled and diced (2 cups)
2 teaspoons salt
1 teaspoon balsamic vinegar

Preheat oven to 375 degrees. Cut top of garlic head, exposing cloves. Place on piece of foil and top with chopped rosemary. Drizzle with olive oil. Wrap loosely with foil and bake 50 to 60 minutes or until soft and golden. Set aside to cool.

Place sweet potatoes and apples in pot with enough water to cover. Add salt, cover pot, and bring to a boil. Reduce heat to medium, and simmer 10 minutes or until sweet potatoes are soft.

Drain potatoes, reserving 1 cup cooking water. Transfer potatoes to serving bowl.

Squeeze roasted garlic cloves into sweet potatoes and apples. Add balsamic vinegar, and mash, adding cooking water as necessary to adjust texture for creaminess. Season with pepper.

Pumpkin pie

1 pie crust (use your own favorite crust)
16 pecan halves
12 ounces silken tofu
2 cups pumpkin puree (not pumpkin pie mix)
1/2 cup pure maple syrup
1/2 cup brown sugar
1/4 cup cornstarch or arrowroot powder
1 1/2 teaspoons ground cinnamon
1/2 teaspoon salt
1/4 teaspoon ground nutmeg
1/4 teaspoon ground ginger
1/8 teaspoon ground cloves

Preheat oven to 350 degrees.

Prepare pie crust or remove store-bought crust from freezer/refrigerator.

Spread pecans on a cookie sheet. Toast for 7 to 10 minutes or until the smell of nuts fills the kitchen. Set aside for garnish.

In food processor, blend together the remaining ingredients until the mixture is smooth and creamy. Pour the filling into the crust and smooth the top with a spatula.

Bake for 40 to 45 minutes or until the crust is lightly browned and outmost inch of the filling is set. Don't worry if the center is still soft; it continues to firm up as the pie cools. Transfer the pie to a wire rack.

Gently press the 16 toasted pecan halves into the pie. Cool to room temperature and then chill until set.

Irma Chen's recipes

Acorn squash stuffed with wild rice, cranberries, pecans and savory baked tofu

4 acorn or dumpling squash
Freshly ground nutmeg
1 1/2 cups wild rice
1 3/4 cups vegetable broth
1 large yellow onion, finely chopped
2 cloves garlic, minced
2 large ribs celery, finely chopped
1 tablespoon fresh sage, minced
1 tablespoon fresh thyme leaves
1/2 cup fresh parsley, minced
1 package Savory Baked Tofu, cut into 1/4-inch diced cubes (can be found in health food section of grocery store)
3/4 cup chopped pecans, toasted
3/4 cup dried cranberries
1 tablespoon Braggs Liquid Aminos

Preheat the oven to 350 degrees. Cut each squash in half crosswise. Scoop out and discard the seeds and strings. If necessary, trim the top and bottom so that the squash will sit level, and place on a rimmed baking sheet, cut-side up. Sprinkle each half with a little salt and nutmeg to taste. Cover the pan with foil and bake the squash just until moist and tender, about 45 minutes.

Meanwhile, sauté rice in a dry non-stick pan until lightly browned. Pour rice into a baking dish and add the vegetable broth, 1/4 teaspoon salt and 2 cups water into a baking dish. Cover with foil and bake for 45 to 50 minutes until light and fluffy.

Sauté the onion, garlic, celery and carrot in a little water until slightly softened. Cover the pan, adjust the heat to medium-low, and cook the vegetables until crisp-tender, about 5 minutes longer. Add the sage, thyme and parsley and sauté 1 more minute. Remove from the heat.

In a large bowl, combine the cooked rice, sautéed vegetables, tofu, walnuts and cranberries. Mound the rice mixture into the squash halves, dividing it evenly. Cover with foil. Bake at 350 degrees until heated through,

Holiday cranberry sauce

8 rings dried pineapple
1 12-ounce package fresh or frozen cranberries
1/2 a medium orange

Soak pineapple rings in water over night.

Place pineapple into a blender or food processor.

Cut orange into quarters and remove seeds. Place quartered orange and skins into the blender.

Blend until pineapple and orange are broken down. Remove from blender and add cranberries. Serve warm or chilled.

Note: Can blend cranberries with sauce.

Reader Feedback

sparky595 wrote on Dec 5, 2009 5:55 AM:

" Lodian wrote:

'sparkly: No, Aimee did not answer the question. As usual she attacks and runs. And why you always Aimee's mouthpiece? Can't Aimee speak for herself? (rhetorical, of course) '

Are you blind or just ignorant? Aimee and I both showed you where she answered the question.

As for her 'attacks' , I've only seen her respond to your attacks. You seem to be disoriented, because you always think someone is 'attacking' you when it is the complete opposite. Why don't you try to actually discuss the topic of a letter without slinging the first mud ball, and maybe you will see that others aren't intent on attacking you. We actually want to debate the issues, you just drag people into mudslinging.

After time, people have grown to know what they are going to get from you, so they have lost all respect from you. "

Lodian wrote on Dec 4, 2009 9:55 PM:

" Aimee: I don't think you even have a clue as to what you are talking about. LaMe! LOL! "

Aimee wrote on Dec 4, 2009 6:05 PM:

" Lodian: All I can say is "whatever, whatever, and whatever, etc." Your comments are so lame, they don't even deserve a full response.

Except this one - it's not sexist to note that women are not made to pee while standing completely vertical (without it running down ones legs), nor can they contribute anything more than an egg to the reproduction process. Shall I continue with the list of things that women cannot do that men can, or does your dense brain get the picture?

Sheesh... "

Lodian wrote on Dec 4, 2009 3:41 PM:

" sparkly: No, Aimee did not answer the question. As usual she attacks and runs. And why you always Aimee's mouthpiece? Can't Aimee speak for herself? (rhetorical, of course) "

sparky595 wrote on Dec 4, 2009 2:57 PM:

" Lodian, on Aimee's Dec 2, 7:50 am post, she agreed with my remarks in the post just before hers. She may not have literally posted the words herself as you demand of her, however, she did indeed agree with my post. There is little doubt to anyone (that possibly cares) that Aimee has already addressed your persistent question. Do you actually read the posts? "

Lodian wrote on Dec 4, 2009 12:10 PM:

" Aimee always bails when she can't even post the comment that got her all riled up about sexism. Typical. "

Lodian wrote on Dec 3, 2009 11:39 PM:

" edumacation: You seem to be really into drugs. It's you that does not "under-tand". lol! "

edumacation wrote on Dec 3, 2009 5:26 PM:

" Aimee- Maybe Lodian needs a booster shot of Magnesium Pemoline? Its supposed to boost memory by 560%, and IQ can temporarily increase. She needs few points to under-tand us. LOL "

Lodian wrote on Dec 3, 2009 9:18 AM:

" Aimee: You still didn't answer my question. Maybe you can't answer the question...quite possible. Where did I make a sexist remark to someone that was not speaking basically the same way? You really have such a hard to catching on here on the blogs (with the written word). If you don't "get it" then ask instead of attacking all the time. I guess that's what you enjoy. Oh well. It's funny how you seem to "get" what edumacation is saying as she is often hard to follow at times (and can be very offensive). I guess this is all about your deep hatred for me personally. lol! ... Enjoy. :-) "

Lodian wrote on Dec 3, 2009 9:13 AM:

" Aimee wrote "Yup, there are things men can do that women don't...but people should generally be boxed into gender stereotypes."

LOL! And Aimee thinks I need to explain myself. "

Lodian wrote on Dec 3, 2009 9:09 AM:

" Rhodie wrote on Dec 2, 2009 3:19 PM:
"lodian: Off topic help need.
Do you remember a while back you and I debating with Dyan about the usefulness of math in daily life? Or when it was?
Now back to your scheduled discussion."

Hi Rhodie: Yes, I certainly remember when dyan was going off on her tirade about useless academics. I think I even copied some of it because it was soooo out there! :-) I'll try to see if I have it saved somewhere, but I have to run right now...got an appointment. I'll check in with ya later. Have a nice morning. "

edumacation wrote on Dec 2, 2009 11:13 PM:

" Nice comments- I agree with much of Dr Weiners (M Savage) ideas. He is never politically correct. He also has never used the fact that he is an ethnic minority, to get freebies or special considerations. He is not afraid of anyone. He is a Deist, but thats fine for him. He is older, and that is part of his culture. He will not hide from the truth. He has some statements I like: "Liberalism is a mental disorder" The USA "liberal syndrome" or "Obamaitis--inflammation of the Obama", can be easily correlated with a number of psychoneuroses. It is just not politically correct to talk about the disease the libs have. Actually it is more of a syndrome than an actual disease. So, I will restate it. Liberalism that we see in the USA is a syndrome that masks an underlying neurosis. The DSM could illuminate some of the malady, but only defined in insurance jargon. Thats all the DSM was originally designed to do.

Happy target practice. You might want to join a hunting club and just take photographs instead of shoot? "

Aimee wrote on Dec 2, 2009 8:06 PM:

" I meant "people should generally NOT be boxed into gender stereotypes".... "

Aimee wrote on Dec 2, 2009 8:06 PM:

" Lodian: The only reason I need things "explained" is because you are very poor at expressing yourself. And I'll thank you very much to keep your sticks away from my posterior. Ew...gross.

Edu: Yup, there are things men can do that women don't...but people should generally be boxed into gender stereotypes. I think it's great that you like to hunt. I'm too sqeemish for that, I prefer target shooting.

Don't take this the wrong way, but you remind me of a female version of Savage in that he says exactly what he is thinking and doesn't pull any punches - damn political correctness. Meh, who said constant political correctness was such a great thing anyways? "

edumacation wrote on Dec 2, 2009 6:31 PM:

" Lodian- BTW It would be great if Geena Davis ran for President...she can do most anything else. She has one defect. It seems that last year she has donated over 10k to Obongo for President. Shw as probably just voting for "ANYONE OTHER THAN BUSH"...which I support by the way. The "chimp" and his side kick codenamed "backseat" Mr Haliburton himself were a nasty combination. How did so much ugly and stupidity find themselves together? OOps--I answered my own speculative question. I don't hold it against Geena to vote for Obongo. She just wanted toodles and dopey out of the White House!

I have to get back to my squirrel meat--wrapped in bacon-on a skewer--with freshly ground horseradish hors d'oeuvres. Want the recipe Ms white bread? "

edumacation wrote on Dec 2, 2009 6:14 PM:

" Aimee 157- My weapon selection depends on my objective including the game, range, the terrain, the weather and my mood. I have several rifles and shotguns and lots of ammo. Yes, I have tried bow hunting, but I don't have the upper body strength to take down anything larger than water fowl at close range. I want to have sure kill with one shot. Any more, and its is isn't fair to the animal and I don't want to rely only on my dogs for safety when dealing with bears. They can move faster than me. Hopefully in the opposite direction. I am not Grizzly Adams. LOL ROFL.

Lodian 234--> SAY WHAT! What remarks? I can stand on my on two feet..little miss twinkle toes? What is this interest or fetish you (Lodian) seem to have with the alimentary canal? sticks where?

Aimee- Yes, women can not do some things that men can do-- thank God! and I am an atheist! LOL

There is no way I can bench press 300 pounds! Maybe 200 pounds ?! LOL "

Rhodie wrote on Dec 2, 2009 3:19 PM:

" lodian: Off topic help need.

Do you remember a while back you and I debating with Dyan about the usefulness of math in daily life? Or when it was?

Now back to your scheduled discussion. "

Lodian wrote on Dec 2, 2009 2:34 PM:

" Aimee wrote "Love how you deflect the issue...."

What issue? Your ridiculous remark about being sexist? That's laughable! It's interesting how you totally let edumacation off the hook here for her remarks. "

Lodian wrote on Dec 2, 2009 2:29 PM:

" ...just how far is that stick up your butt, Aimee? Geez, I bet you're a real hoot at the family gatherings. NOT! "

Lodian wrote on Dec 2, 2009 2:28 PM:

" Aimee: You always need things to be explained to you... classic Aimee. lol! "

Aimee wrote on Dec 2, 2009 1:12 PM:

" Lodian: Demeanor, tone and body language cannot be determined via internet. Therefore, if you were kidding, you must be more clear about your jokes..sarcasm..what have you.

Love how you deflect the issue, by the way...classical Lodian. "

Lodian wrote on Dec 2, 2009 10:36 AM:

" Looks like it went flying right over your head. lol! "

Aimee wrote on Dec 2, 2009 7:50 AM:

" Lodian: sparky is correct. That is what I was referring to. "

sparky595 wrote on Dec 2, 2009 7:06 AM:

" Lodian, I believe these are the remarks Aimee was referring to....


edumacation: You seem more like a male than a female.

edumacation: No thank you...I like men. lol!

Both were your responses when it was suggested that women could be hunters. You clearly suggest in your comments that if you are a woman, you couldn't/shouldn't do certain activities that a man does simply because you are a woman. "

Lodian wrote on Dec 1, 2009 9:23 PM:

" Aimee: What remark do you think was sexist? "

Aimee wrote on Dec 1, 2009 1:57 PM:

" edu: What is your rifle and ammo preference?

Have you used a bow to hunt before? I hear it's difficult to take down large game with one. "

Aimee wrote on Dec 1, 2009 1:54 PM:

" SportsGuru wrote: "..On the 7th day, satisfied there was enough meat, God rested ... :D"

LOL! Good one! "

Aimee wrote on Dec 1, 2009 1:53 PM:

" edu: Venison is too gamey for my taste! We ate it a lot when we were kids since my father likes to hunt.

Lodian: That was a sexist remark, you realize that, don't you? Why is it that women cannot also enjoy hunting and guns? Why is that a sport relegated only to men? With the way this country is going, EVERYONE should own and gun and learn to shoot it! LOL! "

SportsGuru wrote on Dec 1, 2009 12:32 PM:

" .
According to Genesis .. on the Third Day, God commanded the earth to bring forth grass, plants, and fruit-bearing trees.

On the Fifth Day - apparently wanting more for the diet than just plants - God commands the sea to "teem with living creatures", and birds to fly across the heavens.

Apparently fish and foul weren't enough, so on the Sixth Day God commands the land to bring forth living creatures including wild beasts, livestock and reptiles. (Livestock are meant to be EATEN).

On the 7th day, satisfied there was enough meat, God rested ... :D "

Lodian wrote on Dec 1, 2009 8:17 AM:

" edumacation: No thank you...I like men. lol! "

edumacation wrote on Nov 30, 2009 6:52 PM:

" LOL---ROFL!~ "

edumacation wrote on Nov 30, 2009 6:51 PM:

" Lodian- I think Sarah and I should take you out hunting for some big game. BYOG I'll bring the ammo and dressing knives. You might learn something? "

Lodian wrote on Nov 30, 2009 5:48 PM:

" edumacation: You seem more like a male than a female. "

edumacation wrote on Nov 30, 2009 1:14 PM:

" Aimee- I am very moderate in my choice of protein. I like equal amounts of PORK and BEEF. The whole vegan thing has less abiout the vegematic life style and more to do with political correctness. I remember the time that most Vegetarians were either visitors from Asia or were political conservatives. When the hippies hit the headlines, they always had to be the center of attention, so what more annoying than replacing the jingle bells and the beads with TOFU! You can brag that you won't be eating "Bambi" for dinner. Well, I have learned to love the taste of venison freshly butchered and dressed after a hunt with my "assault rifle" . "

Lodian wrote on Nov 30, 2009 11:51 AM:

" edumacation (Nov 27 @ 10:02pm) sounds like she's really stressed out about this vegetarian thing. :-)

Don't worry, edumacation, no one is going to take your red meat away from you. Relax. "

Lodian wrote on Nov 30, 2009 11:47 AM:

" Rhodie wrote on Nov 28, 2009 8:30 AM:

" We did do something different for Thanksgiving this year though. We went Carb-less. Instead of mash potatoes we did mash Califlower."

Sounds like a real challenge to go carb-less on Thanksgiving, but I love cauliflower. "

Lodian wrote on Nov 30, 2009 11:45 AM:

" reverence4life (Nov 28 @ 10:16am): Unfortunately, this is very common. "

Aimee wrote on Nov 29, 2009 12:26 PM:

" Regarding mashed cauliflower (often referred to as "Faux-tatoes"), I like to add a bit of light cream cheese to mine or 1 or 2 light Laughing Cow soft swiss cheese triangles, mixed with fat free chicken broth or vegetable broth to thin out the cauliflower just a bit. It makes it creamy without adding too many calories. Really, really good!

Not sure what you'd want to add if you were vegan, 'tho, since a cream cheese/soft swiss cheese are dairy products. "

Aimee wrote on Nov 29, 2009 12:19 PM:

" reverence: edumacation just has very strong opinions about things, much like some of the other posters on this site who are of the opposite political spectrum.

That said, I grew up eating vegetarian foods (soy based) but I do love a juicy slice of turkey for thanksgiving. I think that moderation, in everything you eat, whether it is a vegan diet or a meat diet. For example, coconut oil is very high in saturated fat (as are certain cuts of beef), but in moderation, it can also have place in a healthy diet scheme.

I think I would agree with edu in that we are lucky to be able to have a choice what foods we do and do not want to eat. "

reverence4life wrote on Nov 28, 2009 10:16 AM:

" It is clear that what started out as intelligent debate has turned down a dark road of name calling (Edumacation) From other blogs I have read in which you have commented on that seems to be something you enjoy, pity. "

Rhodie wrote on Nov 28, 2009 8:30 AM:

" We did do something different for Thanksgiving this year though. We went Carb-less. Instead of mash potatoes we did mash Califlower. Not bad, learned a couple tricks for next time. Want to perfect it before family comes next month. After the Thanksgiving and Christmas feasts it is always the carbs I feel. I love my mother-inlaw's homemade stuffing (without the celery), twice baked potatoes and my own homeade buscuits. Doesn't help with keeping the weight off though. "

Rhodie wrote on Nov 28, 2009 8:27 AM:

" edumacation:

I've got family coming for Christmas and I am thinking about taking the guys (I don't think the womenfolk would appreciate the calories) to Andres. My eldest son wants to try their hamburger challenge. "

sparky595 wrote on Nov 28, 2009 6:52 AM:

" When I think of Thanksgiving dinner, I think turkey meat, mashed potatoes, stuffing, and a ton of gravy just dripping everywhere. You can save your firm tofu, uncooked ziti, and cashew ricotta for a raining day in February. I'll take my traditional thanksgiving dinner, thank you.

Only 1.4 % of Americans consider themselves to be Vegan, yet there is a front page article trying to persuade Lodians into throwing out the traditional feast in exchange for noodles and tofu. Must have been a slow news day.

P.S. My turkey was delicious, maybe I'll try tofu this weekend...it's supposed to rain. "

edumacation wrote on Nov 27, 2009 10:10 PM:

" Thank "GOD" we still have freedom to eat what we want! Its time for FREEDOM of FOOD CHOICE. Let the nannys whine about the sky is falling. I'll have "chicken little" and her hen-mates for dinner. I forgot the nice local fish to munch on, rare or fried! I haven't seen any mercury floating around recently. Tofu is known to be dangerous to your health. It is a root cause of Alzheimers and "libtard" disease. People who eat this stuff start smoking medicinal herbs and vote for communists. RED BLOODY BEEF is AMERICAN as DEEP FRIED CHICKEN! "

edumacation wrote on Nov 27, 2009 10:02 PM:

" ordinarycitizen- My diet is significantly based on MEAT. I love the blood red color of a rare slice of beef. And--what would be life without good old BACON---gobs of bacon frying away. Lets see---any water fowl is good. Now for the blood tests. Excellent levels. Doc couldn't believe it. BMR right on target---BP perfecto. Maybe because its all do to the LODI RED wine? Lets see, average age of death in my family is over mid 90's---we even have a few centenarians! ALL LOVE RED BEEF.

Just the thought of a Birkenstock wearing, tofu munching VEGAN lets me KNOW who they voted for! YECCH! As long as the globl warming people scream ---"Cows are killing us with poison methane gas" or "I don't want to see Bambi the cow killed.." I just want to go to ANDRES cafe on Lodi street and order a 3 pound burger WITH FRIES to cure my appetite with a side order of bacon wrapped, deep fried hot wings smothered in butter. "

Wright99 wrote on Nov 27, 2009 9:35 PM:

" You people should read skinny bitch (for the ignorant girls) or skinny bastard (for the ignorant guys). Then Slaughterhouse, by Gail A. Eisnitz. It might open your eyes a bit. "

Rhodie wrote on Nov 27, 2009 8:19 PM:

" This article just seemed strangly relevant to the discussion here http://news.discovery.com/archaeology/cavemen-bird-bones-roast.html?campaign=w01-101-ae-0003 "

flyguide wrote on Nov 27, 2009 7:00 PM:

" To Reverence4life here is a Doctor:Humans are Omnivores
Adapted from a talk by John McArdle, Ph.D.:There are a number of popular myths about vegetarianism that have no scientific basis in fact. One of these myths is that man is naturally a vegetarian because our bodies resemble plant eaters, not carnivores. In fact we are omnivores, capable of either eating meat or plant foods. The following addresses the unscientific theory of man being only a plant eater.
Confusion between Taxonomy and Diet
Much of the misinformation on the issue of man's being a natural vegetarian arises from confusion between taxonomic (in biology, the procedure of classifying organisms in established categories) and dietary characteristics.
Members of the mammalian Order Carnivora may or may not be exclusive meat eaters. Those which eat only meat are carnivores. Dietary adaptations are not limited by a simple dichotomy between herbivores (strict vegetarians) and carnivores (strict meat-eaters), but include frugivores (predominantly fruit), gramnivores (nuts, seeds, etc.), folivores (leaves), insectivores (carnivore-insects and small vertebrates), etc. Is is also important to remember that the relation between the form (anatomy/physiology) and function (behavior) is not always one to one. Individual anatomical structures can serve one or more functions. "

flyguide wrote on Nov 27, 2009 6:54 PM:

" reverence4life are you serious? You think people are herbavores? The basic design gives it away. most all predator have eyes facing the front of their skull so they can see while chasing their prey. Herbavores all have eyes facing the side of their head to watch for the predator. If you read about blood types you can trace your past, I am o- so I came from the hunter gatherer we ate what we could. The simple fact with humans is that they taught themselves to eat everything. Humans have a digestive system consistent with herbivores. Human beings are not natural meat eaters. This can be easily pointed out by their teeth. Human teeth are not meant for tearing into flesh and bone. Humans cannot digest grass and have great difficulty digesting raw vegetables. Wheat cannot be eaten in its raw form and beans are potentially toxic if eaten raw. In fact, after 10,000 years of eating grain many people still have difficulty digesting it. "

dogs4you wrote on Nov 27, 2009 6:33 PM:

" 4life, everything you have said I agree with. Never the less if there is one chance in a million for a nut to cause diverticulosis count me out, since anything that lodges in a pocket can cause an infection. Cipro helps, and removing a piece of infected colon is a very serious operation. Go Fiber. "

reverence4life wrote on Nov 27, 2009 6:16 PM:

" In addition it is believed that the leading cause of diverticulitis or diverticulosis is a low fiber diet, most diets heavy in red meat are unfortunately low in fiber. "

reverence4life wrote on Nov 27, 2009 6:04 PM:

" Thank you WTF, The video on cacao was very informative. Another reason to eat dark chocolate.
In regards to "Ordinarycitizens" comment. I don't know what you were eating as a vegetarian But I am sure you already know that the body turns enriched flour, white sugar, alcohol, or anything processed into sugar. I use blue agave nectar for sweetening coffee or making desserts, etc. When I eat bread, I only eat sprouted grain breads such as Ezekial that have a low glycemic index. I eat lots of tofu, beans, nut butters,& lots of veggies. etc. The statistics are staggering in regards to my earlier post. A diet high in saturated fat(red meat)the higher the risk of elevated cholesterol, then comes high blood pressure which is taxing on your kidneys, the longer you have uncontrolled elevated blood pressure the greater risk for diabetes. As far as nuts causing diverticulitis that depends on the shape of ones diverticulum, not because of the nuts. It is more common to get colon polyps that turn into colon cancer if untreated from diets high in saturated fat, commonly a heavy red meat diet. "

dogs4you wrote on Nov 27, 2009 5:30 PM:

" Lodian: Thank you, your greeting was much appreciated, and I`m to old to change my ways. "

Lodian wrote on Nov 27, 2009 4:28 PM:

" Just like politics and religion... when it comes to your diet going to the extreme in any direction is unhealthy. :-) "

Lodian wrote on Nov 27, 2009 4:25 PM:

" dogs4you: Happy Birthday! "

Leonard wrote on Nov 27, 2009 3:59 PM:

" reverence4life wrote on Nov 27, 2009 9:20 AM:
" Flyguide, I have to disagree with you on your comments about being omnivores. I don't believe we are omnivores based on our bone structure and teeth. First of all, our teeth are flat as are horses and cows, both are herbivores, both which have been and continue to be used for their enormous strength.


You don't see many cow with incisors. "

dogs4you wrote on Nov 27, 2009 3:00 PM:

" All kinds of nuts are recommended as a part of a good diet. I would question that since nuts and seeds can form in the pockets of the colon and cause diverticlosis, it can be treated but is very painfull, and at the worst a surgeon is needed to remove that damaged part of the colon, forget nuts. "

dogs4you wrote on Nov 27, 2009 2:24 PM:

" Something for everyone, I`ll take a steak medium rare, when I go, I hope I have a piece of meat in one hand and a Bud Lite in the other. You want to live forever, I`ll be 71 Sunday and still going strong thanks to beef, it`s whats for dinner. "

ordinarycitizen wrote on Nov 27, 2009 12:17 PM:

" Having stated my opinion, I still try to eat a vegetarian diet over meat. I still love tofu. The recipes all sound great that accompany this article, but way too high in carbs. I would only be able to eat about a spoonful of each one due to the high carb count. I try to cook and eat recipes that balance protein and carbs, but on the low end of the carb scale. "

ordinarycitizen wrote on Nov 27, 2009 12:09 PM:

" I disagree with the statements that eating a meat diet increases diabetes. I have type 2 diabetes and I was a pretty strict vegetarian for over 20 years. I didn't eat meat of any type - on occasion a tuna sandwich because I still love tuna. Having said that, over 2 years ago I was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes. I have radically changed my diet, including exercise. I have since started eating chicken and turkey, lean meats only, and I have seen the diabetes totally turn around. I have never been on meds at all and totally control it through diet and exercise. A vegetarian diet is great, however, most recipes have a lot of carbs which boosts the blood sugar numbers, and contains a lot of nuts and I am allergic to nuts. Since being diagnosed with diabetes I have learned to balance my meals, balance the intake between carbs and protein, and balance it all with exercise. I went to the diabetes classes at Lodi Memorial and not once did the diabetes nurse specialist tell us that eating meat based protein is responsible for diabetes. I think to say that eating meat causes diabetes is erroneous. "

wtf wrote on Nov 27, 2009 11:49 AM:

" Thanks, reverence4life! You might want to check out this video on raw chocolate (cacao). Once on link, scroll down to video. What he says in this video is only the beginning.

http://chocolateghirardelli.brighterplanet.org/health-chocolate/david-wolfe-on-cacao "

reverence4life wrote on Nov 27, 2009 11:27 AM:

" Regarding the vegan diabetes comment by edumacation, so wrong! That too is a myth. Vegans eat plenty of protein, just not from meat sources. I have been in the medical field for over 20 years. Heavy meat eaters have the highest rate of cancer, diabetes, high blood pressure, elevated cholesterol, that's a fact. Tell yourself what you need to. Nobody is telling you what to eat. WTF, Thanks for all the incredible chocolate recipes, much appreciated. I use coconut, almond and soy milk in most of my baking recipes and I don't miss the dairy at all. Dark chocolate truffles using coconut milk instead of heavy cream is so delicious! Thanks everyone for all the positive comments.I want to especially thank Dayna Panella for writing the article and the Sentinel for posting it on the front page. "

wtf wrote on Nov 27, 2009 11:15 AM:

" edumacation, go ahead and eat the animals...but reverence4life is right in saying that "horses and cows...continue to be used for their enormous strength."

Same with elephants who are vegetarian...;)

Vegetarians and vegans are just cutting out the "middle man" i.e., the animals, and going straight for the green....grass that is.

The ills you mention, edumacation are due primarily to eating a diet that is cooked; adding more raw foods adds the enzymes necessary to digest the food not to mention raw food has more nutrients. The only problem is the lack of B-12 found in meat; but even this is gotten around by eating Durian Fruit, Hemp seeds, and other non-animal foods that contain vitamin B-12. "

T & C wrote on Nov 27, 2009 11:08 AM:

" So you think Red meat is healthy and will not increase your Colon Cancer risks? Hmmm, lets get an opinion from the American Cancer Society:

http://www.cancer.org/docroot/NWS/content/NWS_1_1x_Eating_Lots_of_Red_Meat_Linked_to_Colon_Cancer.asp

Leaving Pork, Beef and Lamb to others and switching to a Mediterranean Diet will help you to live longer. "

wtf wrote on Nov 27, 2009 11:05 AM:

" Place crust in freezer for 15 minutes.

2 cups pineapple or mango pudding
2 cups fresh raspberries
1 cup fresh blackberries
1 cup fresh blueberries
2-3 fresh kiwi fruit

Pineapple (or Mango) Pudding

1 1/2 cups chopped fresh mangoes (2 mangoes or equal amount pineapple)

1/2 cup chopped dried mangoes (cut into pieces with a scissors), soaked 10 minutes and drained (or equal amount pineapple)

Place the fresh and dried mangoes (or pineapple) in a blender and process on high speed until smooth.

Fill crust with Mango or Pineapple filling and make a creative design on tart using kiwifruit, raspberries, blackberries and blueberries. Chill for at least two hours before serving. Serve chilled or at room temp.

Other recipes found in this book:

Raw Food Made Easy by Jennifer Cornbleet "

wtf wrote on Nov 27, 2009 10:58 AM:

" One of my favorites is a raw Tropical Fruit Tart with a Coconut Crust.

Crust:

1 1/2 cups unsweetened shredded dried coconut
3/4 raw macadamia nuts, unsoaked
3/4 cup raw walnuts, unsoaked (or an additional 3/4 cup raw macadamia nuts)
1/2 teaspoon Himalayan salt
1/2 cup pitted mejool dates, unsoaked

Place the coconut, macadamia nuts, walnuts, and salt in a food processor fitted with the S blade and process until coarsely ground. Add the dates and process until the mixture resembles coarse crumbs and begins to stick together. Don't overprocess.

(cont) "

wtf wrote on Nov 27, 2009 10:52 AM:

" Place all ingredients in a blender and process on high speed until smooth. chill for at least 2 hours before serving. Stored in a sealed container in the refrigerator this "cream" sauce will keep for five days.

A really tasty raw crust is:

2 cups raw walnuts, unsoaked
1 cup unsweetened shredded dried coconut
1/4 teaspoon salt (Himalayan)
1/2 cup pitted medjool dates, unsoaked

Place the walnuts, coconut, and salt in a food processor fitted with the S blade and process until coarsely ground. Add the dates and process until the mixture resembles coarse crumbs and begins to stick together. Don't overprocess. Stored in a sealed container Walnut Crust will keep for one month in the refrigerator or three months in the freezer. "

edumacation wrote on Nov 27, 2009 10:50 AM:

" OMG! VEGANS on Thanksgiving!

I'll take my Thanksgiving meal with an extra serving of blood RED Angus beef, dripping with fleshy goodness. I'll have a large plate stacked with RARE and bloody KOBE beef from formerly smiling and content Tajima-Ushi Wagyu cattle, bred to be butchers for my meal!

Most VEGANS don't realize that one of the greatest causes of Typoe Two diabetes is an excess CARBOHYDRATE diet.

Come on you guys--enjoy some READ MEAT.

The methane gas from these critters is NOT causing "global warming".

You have your Tofu Turkey with rice, and I'll have a large end standing rib roast---so rare that it bleeds. "

wtf wrote on Nov 27, 2009 10:48 AM:

" From the article: "...but it's hard to avoid all the chocolate dishes...We will forego the whipped cream..."

Fear not! You don't have to do either!

Raw chocolate, or cacao, fills the bill for any chocolate craving; not to mention that once you eat "raw" chocolate, you never want to go back to "regular" chocolate again.

Here's a link to raw chocolate treats. Click on the pictures to take you to the items in stock.

http://www.therawfoodworld.com/index.php?cPath=100150_100148_100215

If you're into making your own, here's a book by David Wolfe called "Naked Chocolate" with tons of recipes.

http://www.sunfood.com/buy/3/42/6/Naked-Chocolate-by-David-Wolfe-and-Shazzie/0969.aspx

For "whipped cream" use a cashew cream:

1 cup soaked raw cashews
1/2 cup plus two tablespoons water
2 tablespoons pure maple syrup or honey
1 teaspoon vanilla extract or seeds of 1 vanilla bean

(cont) "

reverence4life wrote on Nov 27, 2009 9:20 AM:

" Flyguide, I have to disagree with you on your comments about being omnivores. I don't believe we are omnivores based on our bone structure and teeth. First of all, our teeth are flat as are horses and cows, both are herbivores, both which have been and continue to be used for their enormous strength. Obviously they don't require meat protein for strong bones and teeth which has been a myth told to us for many many years.When you say you struggled being vegan, in what way? I don't eat meat for the one and only reason that as long as I can recall eating animals has never agreed with me emotionally, spiritually or physically. I ate meat because that was how I was raised even though at the age of four or five it really bothered me. I never got an acceptable answer from my parents about why we had to eat meat instead I was told I was too sensitive. So be it, I would rather be sensitive to the suffering of other sentient beings than to stuff down my emotions with their flesh. "

stella wrote on Nov 27, 2009 8:58 AM:

" GetUrHeadOut, your friend was a vegetarian, not a vegan. Vegans are vegetarians who don't eat eggs or dairy, ie any animal products. Vegetarians simply eschue all meat products, including fish and seafood. "

GetUrHeadOut wrote on Nov 27, 2009 7:37 AM:

" These people crack me up! I know this one vegan that is head strong as all get out about it; however they eat EGGS, CHEESE, and put MILK in their tea!!! FUNNY!!! "

flyguide wrote on Nov 27, 2009 5:59 AM:

" I struggled with being a vegan for years until I learned that we are Omnivores. Our teeth and bone structure prove that. I think that Mrs. Panella's ideas are great, anything for healthy living, but considering that we are not vegans there are great books for healthy eating, and are based on your body chemistry. Two books I recommend are called "Eating for your Blood Type", and "Cooking for your Blood Type" by Peter J. D'Adamo. Most people in this economy cannot afford organic foods or the vegan foods offered, they are very expensive. But eating the right foods according to your blood type makes sense. Our bodies are so complex and with all the medical problems people are having, it is important for them to know what is good for them. "Eating for Your Blood Type" and "Cooking for your Blood Type" are a must for any kitchen. They are written by Peter J. D'Adamo. I believe Mrs. Penalla is doing an excellent job creating tasty food and we should consider her recommendation. Modesty all in modesty. "

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