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The country's mess is our fault
Monday, November 16, 2009 6:15 AM PST
The mess our country is in is not Obama's fault. It is ours.
He is in way over his head and we, the voters, put him there. We hired a person for the hardest job in the world without any experience, education background, training or any qualifications whatsoever. We would not hire a night manager at a 7-Eleven without some skill.
As far as I can tell, we looked past all these shortcomings and hired him because he was black. We wanted to show the world that America is truly the land of opportunity. It is the land of opportunity, but you are supposed to be qualified.
Larry Young
Lodi
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danielh wrote on Nov 25, 2009 8:41 AM:
Now that you are being offered a contract to prove that your own words are really the drivel, you have remained silent.
The big uhh.... man with big words has fallen silent, or was too afraid to read this column to check how I would respond. "
danielh wrote on Nov 24, 2009 11:01 PM:
Are you really sure that you want to do that?
All you have to do to demonstrate that you do not speak drivel, is to follow the instructions that are given below. "
danielh wrote on Nov 24, 2009 1:33 AM:
Since it is drivel, could you please direct my attention to the place where I was wrong?
Your statement of wrongness must be specific, and it must identify a falsehood, along with your correction.
Statements of opinion or abstract non-specific statements constitute drivel.
If you can't find the defect, then your words are drivel. "
Leonard wrote on Nov 23, 2009 8:40 PM:
" gator: You can call me any name you want, and I won't be offended until you switch the gender on my name.
Dan is very, very, very.....very sensitive about his gender. "
danielh wrote on Nov 23, 2009 7:56 PM:
Gator wrote on Nov 23, 2009 6:30 PM:
ok for you to call names and use derogatory language but no one
dare return the favor. Now then about Coeur d’ Alene, you say it’s
full of white separatist, wrong!! It’s full of people from Spokane,
San Francisco Etc basically people with money. A little farther up
north I doubt you would be welcome.. Gated communities If you
could remember a couple of days back(grin) I said I bought a turn
key home, it just happened to turn out that way. As for people taking
my stuff as you so eloquently put it. I have a couple of old friends to
discourage such activity Mr. Smith and his partner Mr. Wesson.. As
usual you have it all wrong(Big Grin) I have only one question for
you, are your eye’s Brown??? "
Lodian wrote on Nov 23, 2009 12:41 PM:
edumacation wrote on Nov 23, 2009 11:43 AM:
Here is a clip from avowed communist and ex-FBI wanted poster personality and educator Mr. Willam Ayers website -Remember him? The activist that Obama claimed he didnt know, but the same activist who is listed on the official white house visitor log as NUMBER TWO on the list of visitors.
http://tinyurl.com/yfomtgh
Here we are visitor number TWO and THREE Mr Willam Ayers who was wanted by the FBI for bombing a Chicago police memorial and building a bomb which three people including his girlfriend terrorist Diana Oughton. His wife Bernardine Dohrn was on the FBI ten most wanted list for over ten years when she was caught and surrendered to the FBI. Nice guy? and associate of Barry.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/disclosures/visitor-records
READ THE LIST--Ironic isn't it? If he were caught early, he would be in prison for the bombings from the 1960's-70's. "
edumacation wrote on Nov 23, 2009 11:21 AM:
edumacation wrote on Nov 23, 2009 8:29 AM:
Gator---Did you say.." I think I will move to a gated community in Nampa and hide from all the "vandals" who want to take "my stuff"? They also hav eggod deals from "Coupon Kori" If you want to hide from the crowds of the discontented why didn't you move to Cour d'Alene? "
Gator wrote on Nov 23, 2009 7:11 AM:
people all the time. Doesn’t bother you one little bit that you refer to Ivan
as a communist or Tovarish (no such word) but like most blowhards you
Can’t take the heat when it comes your way.. "
Gator wrote on Nov 23, 2009 7:10 AM:
mindless drivel I didn’t watch my flying fingers. I surely wouldn’t want to
Upset Mr. danielh now would I…. "
Leonard wrote on Nov 23, 2009 6:01 AM:
" GATOR: With a name like Gator, calling people daniela, I now recall your sexual orientation, and to address me as such in a political climate that protects anyones objection to your display of sexual orientation, I think that is pathetic.
What Dan, are you in fifth grade?
This post is truly pathetic and beneath even you. "
danielh wrote on Nov 23, 2009 12:20 AM:
Lodian wrote on Nov 23, 2009 12:17 AM:
edumacation wrote on Nov 22, 2009 8:15 PM:
What size pantihose do you wear? "
edumacation wrote on Nov 22, 2009 8:11 PM:
"Hell hath no fury...." "
Gator wrote on Nov 22, 2009 7:39 PM:
chance would you???? "
Gator wrote on Nov 22, 2009 7:28 PM:
((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((-: "
edumacation wrote on Nov 22, 2009 3:12 PM:
Did you read my earlier post?
ED Nov 21 326
"..I have a list of GREATER qualified black candidates.
Honorable Ward Connerly, Kevin Martin,Deneen Borelli, Lisa Fritsch, Robert Parks, Kevin Martin, Murdock Gibbs, Bishop Council Nedd II, Mychal Massie, Horace Cooper and many many more African-American heritage women and men. ..."
What we really need for our liberal diversi-nannies is an Asian-Jewish woman who is Pro-choice....And she has to have good legs for her photo ops.
I have a favorite I would like to see run, but her legs---won't get her in any fold-outs--- Helen Thomas.
http://www.helenthomas.org/ "
edumacation wrote on Nov 22, 2009 2:57 PM:
Did you actually READ my comment that I already posted about my suggestions for a BLACK qualified President? Any one of these candidates would be an improvement over Commissar Obama.
After evaluating all candidates, however I tend to prefer Dr. William K. Black Associate professor of Law AND Economics at the University of Missouri-Kansas City School of Law. This person can NOT be bought for ANY price. He is a true Independent American who has supported both political parties. He has a proven track record of writing scholarly papers, managing people and large billion dollar organizations and prosecuting white collar criminals.
He developed the new concept of "Control Fraud" in which the CEO or head of state uses the entity as a “weapon.” Control frauds cause greater financial losses than all other forms of property crime combined and kill and maim thousands.
His only problem as a candidate is that he is a non-Zionist JEW.
We never had a JEW for President, lets try it liberals and Lodian? Are you racist? LOL
Link here and READ!
www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/black.htm "
Brian wrote on Nov 22, 2009 10:26 AM:
Brian: No, you are wrong. Leonard did not state the same thing as Larry Young. Leonard did not state that he and all Americans voted for Obama because he is black. "
-That's why I said ABOUT the same thing.
Obviously you don't see the similarities. "
danielh wrote on Nov 22, 2009 9:20 AM:
Since you are in dishonor*, I can say anything I want.
You have never proven me wrong, because you can't prove something which doesn't exist.
* Dishonor: pardon a vocabular term in commerce which you do not understand. "
Brian wrote on Nov 22, 2009 8:38 AM:
Sure, there are plenty of racists in the world, but most of us voted for the person we believe would do the best job as our next president and without color in mind.
-So now we see Lodian calling people who voted for him, because of his color, racist. I've got to say that
I have exhausted my attempts to reason with her. "
Brian wrote on Nov 22, 2009 8:32 AM:
As far as I can tell, we looked past all these shortcomings and hired him because he was black. We wanted to show the world that America is truly the land of opportunity. It is the land of opportunity, but you are supposed to be qualified.
-Obviously my interpretation of this is different than Lodians. And I caught a hint of sarcasm in it too. "
Gator wrote on Nov 22, 2009 7:30 AM:
A pathetic “Gator keep drinking the” @ 01:24. Your train of thought get derailed some where along the way…. "
danielh wrote on Nov 22, 2009 1:24 AM:
danielh wrote on Nov 22, 2009 1:23 AM:
I hope I was totally non-opinioned in the situation. "
danielh wrote on Nov 22, 2009 1:17 AM:
http://vinyasi-public-records.info/data/house-joint-resolution-192.pdf
Now, debt is "LEGAL TENDER" money.
Some of the references on this topic, you can read, explain that it is impossible to have title of ownership in a system that exchanges debt instruments. If this is true, what kind of government would it be?
* you wrote: "For the first time in American history, we have allowed a marxist to run the country." "
danielh wrote on Nov 22, 2009 1:00 AM:
Lodian wrote on Nov 21, 2009 10:21 PM:
Brian: No, you are wrong. Leonard did not state the same thing as Larry Young. Leonard did not state that he and all Americans voted for Obama because he is black. "
Lodian wrote on Nov 21, 2009 10:15 PM:
Lodian wrote on Nov 21, 2009 10:14 PM:
Lodian wrote on Nov 21, 2009 10:11 PM:
Brian wrote on Nov 21, 2009 9:49 PM:
I'm anticipating your explanation to why you disagreed with Larry and then Leonard writes about the same thing and
you agree with him. "
Brian wrote on Nov 21, 2009 9:34 PM:
" Larry Young: Your letter is simply ridiculous. The American citizens did not vote for Obama because he was black. If you choose your president by the color of his skin then you have a serious problem and hopefully you will educate yourself or never vote again.
Leonard wrote on Nov 21, 2009 1:26 PM:
" It seems to me that the race issue was a wash in the election. While it is certainly true that a number of people voted for Obama just because he was black, it is equally certain that a number of people voted against him for the exact same reason. "
Lodian wrote on Nov 21, 2009 3:28 PM:
" Well said, Leonard. "
Lodian,
You changed your position awfully fast.
I guess that little symbolism thing
couldn't be ignored. "
Ivan Dixon wrote on Nov 21, 2009 7:37 PM:
(Please don't say Ron Paul or Ralph Nader) "
edumacation wrote on Nov 21, 2009 7:10 PM:
I find your convoluted speculations curious!! What now? Did your Dingo steal my baby? Thats how much sense your speculation makes.
Because we have incompetent thieves in one political party does not imply that we don't have them in both parties. "
edumacation wrote on Nov 21, 2009 7:04 PM:
Let me 'splain something to you--in Obama speak. My outrage at the way our Affirmative Action President sneaked into the oval office through the back door (literally and figuratively), does NOT imply that I ever supported "the Chimp" and his Haliburton stooge and partner in crime, code named "backseat" Dick Cheney.
Unfortunately, we have not seen the last runt of the litter of "Vice" Presidents (alternate definitions of the word "vice" are operative).
VP Spiro Agnew was convicted and imprisoned for financial crimes. In other countries he would be shot.
VP Johnson was REAL loser, who used bathroom humor in public and also sneaked into the Oval Office as President.
We have other loser-morons like Dan "potatoe kid" Quayle, and Bill can't keep your pants up" Clinton. We have Ronald "the Gipper" Reagan a grade "B" wannabe movie actor and part time male model. Only in the USA.
Soon, we could have madam President Palin on a Mens monthly fold out?
None of this chicanery on BOTH SIDES of the aisle helps our nation. "
Ivan Dixon wrote on Nov 21, 2009 5:51 PM:
fact: Obama was accepted into Harvard as under an affirmative action program.
Ed, I wonder. Where was your outrage at the fact that the last President was admitted to Yale under an affirmative action program?
I find your selective indignation curious. "
Lodian wrote on Nov 21, 2009 4:18 PM:
Lodian wrote on Nov 21, 2009 4:17 PM:
danielh: Really, danielh? "
Lodian wrote on Nov 21, 2009 3:28 PM:
edumacation wrote on Nov 21, 2009 3:26 PM:
Fact: Obama was accepted to Occidental college ONLY by an affirmative action program. He didn't have the smarts or the grades.
fact: Obama was accepted into Harvard as under an affirmative action program.
Fact: Obama was an Editor of the Harvard law review, but HE NEVER PUBLISHED a paper in it!---another case of handing out credentials to the unqualified.
FACT: Barry Obama was SELECTED by a few radical and COMMUNIST activists to be run as the Progressive liberal affirmative action Senate candidate in a notoriously corrupt district. Blagojevich!
FACT: Barry Barack Hussein Sotelo Obama a Hawaiian? Indonesian? Kenyan? Moslem? Chrsitian? WORKED AS THE CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY for ACORN---which is now being investigated for multiple felonies from voter fraud to support in trafficking in child prostitution.
Oh Yeah---He is a GREAT American!
If our liberal guilt requires that we vote for a Black Affirmative Action President, I have a list of GREATER qualified black candidates.
Honorable Ward Connerly, Kevin Martin,Deneen Borelli, Lisa Fritsch, Robert Parks, Kevin Martin, Murdock Gibbs, Bishop Council Nedd II, Mychal Massie, Horace Cooper and many many more African-American heritage women and men. "
Leonard wrote on Nov 21, 2009 1:26 PM:
Gator wrote on Nov 21, 2009 10:49 AM:
remain status Quo. We have gone through 8 administrations with out a
workable energy policy. We didn’t demand high mileage cars. We shipped
our manufacturing base off shore. Many Americans maxed out 3 -4 credit
cards, bought homes they couldn’t afford on ARM’s then flipped out when
their payments sky rocketed up some 4 to 500 dollars a month. Gasoline
hit 4.50 a gallon. Americans were on a spending binge, not a care in the world. Warren Buffett predicted the Housing bubble crash, he said we can’t
run the economy on the housing market.. Pop goes the weasel and all the
Presidents men can’t put it back together again. Who is to blame 20%
politicians 80% Joe six-pac… It will never be the same no matter who gets
elected. We owe our soul and A** to China. Free health care, sure but China
is going to run it.. "
Brian wrote on Nov 21, 2009 10:09 AM:
Trying to reason with Lodian is like trying to make a silk purse out of a sows ear. It just won't happen. "
sparky595 wrote on Nov 21, 2009 9:32 AM:
'...I believe that Obama and his "advisors" know precisely what they are doing, and everything is unfolding according to plan.'
So true. Some say he doesn't know what he is doing. I agree with you, daniel. He knows exactly what he is doing, and that isn't good. For the first time in American history, we have allowed a marxist to run the country. "
Gator wrote on Nov 21, 2009 9:29 AM:
Dark Side of the moon, cut Brain Damage, it fits you to a “T”
The lunatic is in my head.
The lunatic is in my head
You raise the blade, you make the change
You re-arrange me 'til I'm sane.
You lock the door
And throw away the key
There's someone in my head but it's not me. "
Gator wrote on Nov 21, 2009 9:17 AM:
be used by either the defense or prosecution to determine the outcome of
a specific legal action. It can be used by the presiding Judge to dismiss or
Continue on to trial. Nothing more, nothing less… "
rantraves wrote on Nov 21, 2009 9:06 AM:
danielh wrote on Nov 21, 2009 8:38 AM:
If you want to argue with Lodian, or if you want to have someone accuse you of being alcoholic, just criticize her. Just try to find what is wrong with someone else, and try to teach them a lesson. The fundamental anatomy of an arguement consists of two parties trying to teach the other a lesson. "
Brian wrote on Nov 21, 2009 8:13 AM:
people shouldn't vote for a person because of their skin color. However, to deny
the obvious symbolism of a Black President that many people voted for JUST because of this is a bit naive. "
danielh wrote on Nov 21, 2009 8:13 AM:
In court, have you ever heard, “Failed to state a claim upon which relief can be granted?”
a chattel slave has no claim for damages whatsoever against “its” owner. Thus, in court, a slave has no standing, to make any claims for damages. Even if a slave has suffered loss of limb, handicap, or loss of life, there is no standing to make a claim.
If however, a human being knows who they are, all claims can be reversed against any claimant.
If a US citizen makes beer-drinking or drug-addicted, impulsive reactions without effort to make thoughtful evaluations of the corporate limitations of society, then this person is being irresponsible. "
danielh wrote on Nov 21, 2009 8:10 AM:
If you signed a voter registration card, you certified that you are a federal slave, as a legal fiction, which prior to the Civil War, did not exist under the law.
After the Civil War the federal government maintained ownership over the slaves, and expanded ownership to include all US citizens, which the federal government created by the 14th amendment.
All of the following definitions are slavery: US citizen, person, PEOPLE, People. If you are one of these, you are toast – stick a fork in you, you’re done!
If you don’t understand this, you basically have no rights. "
Brian wrote on Nov 21, 2009 8:02 AM:
" Larry Young: Your letter is simply ridiculous. The American citizens did not vote for Obama because he was black. If you choose your president by the color of his skin then you have a serious problem and hopefully you will educate yourself or never vote again.
-Hmm. there goes all the statisics about people who voted for Obama JUST because he was Black. Lodian has spoken.
She can assure us beyond a shadow of a doubt that there were no people bound and determined that we must elect a Black President because it's symbolic.
I don't know what's come over us Lodian.
We should have checked with you before we read so silly statistics. "
danielh wrote on Nov 21, 2009 7:41 AM:
FDR (uhh... Truman?) stated that nothing in government is an accident.
This is one rare instance where I agree with a presidential citation, and I believe that Obama and his "advisors" know precisely what they are doing, and everything is unfolding according to plan. "
danielh wrote on Nov 21, 2009 7:37 AM:
Can you honestly state
1) that you understand the terms that are used in the voter registration application, and
2) that you understand the consequences for signing the document? "
sparky595 wrote on Nov 21, 2009 6:24 AM:
It is time to wake up America. Obama and the democrat controlled congress have been the party of no.... No republicans allowed to help write it, NO consideration to what the majority of America wants, No concern about the constitutionality of mandating the purchase of healthcare, NO concern about creating more taxes on over taxed WORKING Americans, and NO concern about our children and grandchildren's financial future as a result to this.
The democrats ARE the party of NO.
http://video.foxnews.com/11777428/broken-promises "
Gator wrote on Nov 21, 2009 6:20 AM:
Theodore Roosevelt "
Gator wrote on Nov 21, 2009 6:17 AM:
Pathetic and it points you out as part of the problem… "
danielh wrote on Nov 20, 2009 4:39 PM:
I believe that US citizens aren't going to be relieved of their stresses until they confess to their role in them. "
danielh wrote on Nov 20, 2009 4:33 PM:
I believe this contract for voter registration is one of the foundations upon which fraud is constructed. "
danielh wrote on Nov 20, 2009 4:29 PM:
Regardless of what were everybody's reasons, and how an impression was made upon them, the bottom-line is that People elected Obama. "
danielh wrote on Nov 20, 2009 4:25 PM:
One memory I have was a cartoon before the election showing Obama planning to change the name of the "White" house.
I recall all of the hype about the swearing-in ceremony being performed on White House steps which were constructed by slaves. "
sparky595 wrote on Nov 20, 2009 11:13 AM:
sparky595 wrote on Nov 20, 2009 11:02 AM:
'Less than a year later our president has won a Nobel Peace Prize, the Dow Jones has been gaining for months and is higher than it's been since mid-2008, the pending home sales index is at the highest level since December 2006 after the largest one year gain in history and.... well, he needs to do something about these stupid wars. '
1. Nobel prize - What did he do prior to Feb 1st 2009 (qualification deadline)?
2. Dow Jones - OK. So every one on wall street or had extra cash to invest are doing great...how about main street America?
3. home sales -
'Many buyers accelerated purchases of new homes to take advantage of the $8,000 tax credit before it expires Nov. 30. Foreclosure-driven price declines and low mortgage rates have also pushed sales up this year. Home sales may cool in coming months unless the credit is extended under a deal worked out by Senate Democrats.'
article:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=adP7ZtI.krWI "
Rhodie wrote on Nov 20, 2009 10:11 AM:
Bush may have given up some runs but the economy is batting off of Obama's plans just as well. And Obama wants to load the bases for their best hitter with Cap and Trade and Nationalized healthcare.
Heard an interesting comment on CNN this morning about how many small business owners are NOT hiring right now because they want to see If the healthcare bill passes and then how much it is going to impact their bottom dollar before hiring more people. I bet those numbers won't make it to Obama's economic recovery reports. "
Lodian wrote on Nov 20, 2009 10:03 AM:
----------------------------
The mess our country is in is not Obama's fault. It is mine.
I think he is in way over his head and I, a voter, put him there. I hired a person for the hardest job in the world and I personally feel he doesn't have any experience, education background, training or any qualifications whatsoever. I would not hire a night manager at a 7-Eleven without some skill.
As far as I can tell, I looked past all these shortcomings I thought were there and hired him because he was black. I wanted to show the world that America is truly the land of opportunity. It is the land of opportunity, but you are supposed to be qualified.
--- by the truthful Larry
-------------------------- "
Rhodie wrote on Nov 20, 2009 10:01 AM:
See, personally I would have rather had a president who had spent some time in the real world running a successful business or serving in the military. look at some of the laws in the books nowadays. It doesn't take a smart person to write them. And yes I know niether party put someone like this up on 2008 but I would still like to see that change for 2012. Give me a president who I know knows what it is like to pay the bills and meet expectations of people other than other politicians.
And as for the Peace prize. Please tell me what he did that merits a prize for anything? Unless you are one of those people that think kids should pass a grade simply because they showed up every day. The peace prize was awarded to him for nothing more than what he talked about, not for what he did. You don't get a win for talking about it, you actually have to go out and do it. "
Lodian wrote on Nov 20, 2009 9:59 AM:
Personally I think Young is belittling everyone that voted for Obama in saying that "we" all voted for him because he was black. I also think that, truthfully, Young is only saying "we" in his letter as a cover... acting as if he includes himself in his sweeping comments of racism sort of gets him off the hook as it were. Simply, he is not taking responsibility for himself when he includes the rest of America in his sweeping racist comments. "
Lodian wrote on Nov 20, 2009 9:57 AM:
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danielh: I disagree. If Mr. Young wants to admit he is so ignorant and shallow as to vote for this country's next president because of the color of his skin then he is free to do so, but I take issue with him dragging down the rest of the good Americans that cast their votes after thinking long and hard on whom they would vote for as our next president. Maybe Young just wants company in his ignorance and racism, but he should only speak for himself. Also, I did not see any kind of realization in what he did was wrong, an apology or how he will handle the next election in which he chooses to cast his vote.
continued... "
princessbuttercup wrote on Nov 20, 2009 9:43 AM:
princessbuttercup wrote on Nov 20, 2009 9:42 AM:
princessbuttercup wrote on Nov 20, 2009 9:42 AM:
Lodian wrote on Nov 20, 2009 9:41 AM:
Lodian wrote on Nov 20, 2009 9:37 AM:
You say President Obama doesn't have "experience, education background, training or any qualifications whatsoever". And since you liken the president's background to being less qualified than a 7-Eleven applicant, who exactly would you have chosen to be our next president? And would you have chosen him/her because he/she is white? "
ElBombero wrote on Nov 20, 2009 8:57 AM:
rantraves wrote on Nov 20, 2009 8:32 AM:
ElBombero wrote on Nov 20, 2009 7:21 AM:
danielh wrote on Nov 20, 2009 12:14 AM:
your letter is not about repubicans or democrats, or any political issue that people argued about.
you accepted the blame for your own self for electing him. "
edumacation wrote on Nov 18, 2009 4:11 PM:
He Barry as sneaky and cunning as Cheney? I Don't know. Did he select officals who have a sordid anti -American past! Oh YES!
Who is he? I don't think "HE" knows. Continue the spoils system and pay back his banker buddies who put him in office. He will pardon a boatload of criminals when he exits the stage for the next election. WATCH!
Does he look Presidential? He hasn't puked on a national leader like Herbert Walker Bush did with the Prime Minister of Japan, get arrested for drunk driving like GW Bush, or get caught with his pants down--several times-- like Bill Clinton, but we have three years to go. "
Lodian wrote on Nov 18, 2009 10:47 AM:
sparkly: No hypocrisy at all. My point is that Jerome whines and complains about people offending and being off topic when he does it all the time. He wants others to behave in a manor in which he is unwilling. I am reminding him that he is doing exactly what he says he doesn't like here. Personally, I don't care if people are off topic here and it's not my job to make sure they stay on topic. "
Gator wrote on Nov 18, 2009 9:03 AM:
the things I couldn’t stand in my native state. Because of the negative image
placed on the America Cowboy by the press’s Labeling of the previous
President I thought I would pass on what real Cowboys are about. There
Is a small book entitled Cowboy Ethics, what wall street can learn from the code of the west.. The Cowboy code.. 1 Live each day with courage 2 Take pride in your work. 3 Always finish what you start. 4 Do what has to be done. 5 Be tough, but fair. 6 When you make a promise, keep it. 7 Ride for
The brand..8 Talk less and say more..9 Remember some things aren’t for sale. 10 Know where to draw the line…Those 10 items can make one a
better person… Give it a shot you have to start some where… "
Rhodie wrote on Nov 18, 2009 8:57 AM:
I don't know how many people that is true for. i know a couple poster have said that they come here just to have fun and get a rise out of people, but as for me issues and things I say here I have had conversations about in the real world (when the topic comes up). The difference here vs real world is that in the face to face there is much more non-verbal communications which I am better at picking up on. I do much better in discussions when the conversation is give and take, like a chat room where there is not four and five hours of more between exchanges. I would love it if the LNS had a chat room for us so all these off topic issues could be hashed out without side tracking an article. "
Gator wrote on Nov 18, 2009 8:38 AM:
Right, Left, Conservative and liberal. Really??? The Idea is we are all
Americans and we need to work together to make this country better not
fight each other over petty B/S…I was taught that the political process
begins with our city government and works it’s way to the top as it should.
The graft and corruption are there because people vote and lose interest or
just get plain Lazy and can’t be bothered till the next election. That is called
not holding the politicians accountable and giving them free reign. You see
the results every day. As for the personal attacks on these boards what do you expect, it’s easy when one hides behind their key board and say things
They wouldn’t have the cojones to say face to face… "
Rhodie v2.0 wrote on Nov 18, 2009 8:01 AM:
That said other things that annoy me are racist statements, elitist statements, mocking statements and marathon cut and paste statements. "
sparky595 wrote on Nov 18, 2009 6:18 AM:
'It strikes me that, if we could all come to some sor of an accord about the things that don't have to do with the actual issues, we could spend a lot more time actually discussing the issues.'
I couldn't agree more. There are some here that cannot even contribute to the discussion, yet they pop in just to attack someone's spelling or grammatical errors simply to antagonize, hoping to stir up a rumble and get a rise from their followers.
We ALL know here who contributes to debate and discussion of the topics. We also are ALL well aware of who the clowns are. "
sparky595 wrote on Nov 18, 2009 6:09 AM:
I don't know who, if anyone, has 'special powers' here to get posts removed. What I have noticed is that LNS has guidelines and they may remove anything they want. An example would be the 'Obama is not a moderate' letter to the editer. I was being attacked and labeled a racist, and those posts are now gone. If it is deemed inappropriate by LNS, they remove it. "
Leonard wrote on Nov 18, 2009 5:26 AM:
Here's an open question.
Obviously, Jerome's censorship, and the refusal of conservative posters to condemn it, really p.o.s many of the liberal posters here.
Opinions aside (after all, what would we be talking about here if we all agreed) what do we liberal posters do that really annoys you conservatives?
It strikes me that, if we could all come to some sor of an accord about the things that don't have to do with the actual issues, we could spend a lot more time actually discussing the issues.
Of course, this may be completely impossible, but do you have any suggestions? "
Leonard wrote on Nov 18, 2009 5:22 AM:
sparky595 wrote on Nov 18, 2009 5:20 AM:
'Why are you allowed to offend and be off topic more than anyone else?'
Wow. The hypocrisy doesn't get any thicker than that. "
mike wrote on Nov 18, 2009 1:24 AM:
Lodian wrote on Nov 17, 2009 9:03 PM:
Lodian wrote on Nov 17, 2009 9:00 PM:
voter wrote on Nov 17, 2009 7:49 PM:
Leonard wrote on Nov 17, 2009 3:17 PM:
Jerome, volume is no substitute for plain old honesty. "
tosh conn wrote on Nov 17, 2009 1:08 PM:
Jerome R. Kinderman wrote on Nov 17, 2009 11:15 AM:
Jerome R. Kinderman wrote on Nov 17, 2009 11:12 AM:
But in an online post that requires that all entries be relevant to the story (as well as other requirements), I believe the LNS was absolutely correct to remove the offensive posts. "
Jerome R. Kinderman wrote on Nov 17, 2009 10:54 AM:
As for your question, first, you aren't entitled to an answer. It's noble of you to stick up for your buddy, but you have no stake in this situation. In fact, there is no situation to begin with. The rules were apparently violated, or the LNS would not have taken action as they apparently did. I would think your question(s) should be directed to the editors of the paper. I have no power to alter anything here.
I only took this opportunity to discuss the matter of freedom of speech because you stepped into it big time. I simply couldn't help myself. Sorry. "
Jerome R. Kinderman wrote on Nov 17, 2009 10:28 AM:
First, let's be clear here, there is no right to free speech on this forum. It is the sole property of the Lodi News-Sentinel; they are free to shut it down at will and limit the discourse as they deem appropriate.
Couldn't it be interpreted as an attempt to limit my freedom of speech by inserting a 29-day interval between letters? I offered my opinion regarding this proposal as well as my thoughts as to why it was being re-considered at all.
I've never had any expectation that anything I write will be printed. The LNS maintains sole editorial decision making on all letters-to-the-editor. So I have no idea whether or not it has been reinstituted. I write; they print; or they don't print.
But seriously, who's grasping at straws (or being disingenuous) regarding this free speech issue. Not I. "
Leonard wrote on Nov 17, 2009 10:11 AM:
Leonard wrote on Nov 17, 2009 10:04 AM:
Leonard wrote on Nov 17, 2009 10:01 AM:
" Brian, you seem to have hit the nail precisely on its head. While Leonard protests that he has no problem with my letters being printed in the News-Sentinel, it was just a short time ago where he wrote on a different blog, "Bring back the 30 day limit. I have had enough of Jerry K to last me 30 years!" That would indeed be an indication that he has a problem with what the LNS publishes
Well Jerry, it is true that I had a problem with the number of letters you were excreting at that time because I thought that the LNS was making a specific exception for you. To be clear going forward, I have no problem with a policy that allows you to publish a letter every day as long as it is applied to everyone equally.
There, are we clear? "
Jerome R. Kinderman wrote on Nov 17, 2009 8:53 AM:
That being said, the more important issue is what influence or leverage he perceives me to have with this newspaper. I have no more (or less) power here than anyone else. And since even this post does not fall in line with the rules, I'll leave it at that for now. I wouldn't be surprised if the moderators choose to delete this post as well. And again, I've got no problem with that. "
Rhodie v2.0 wrote on Nov 17, 2009 8:18 AM:
But with my ideal of eliminating debt before buying it frees up MORE money for more diverse group of manufacturing and service-orientated industries. In my example $800 per family using it A MONTH would be made available for them to spend on other things. Let's say the family's are smarter even and put 300 extra into their house to pay it off faster (or credit cards first), 300 into savings to protect from hard times and 200 goes into extra spending. If 50mill families did this then with just 200 more a month that's 10billion/MONTH for spending rather than debt repayment. That would crush any recession. "
Gator wrote on Nov 17, 2009 8:16 AM:
no credit loans. Was William Jefferson Clinton. That being said the loan
companies like Countrywide were pushing slam/bang loans at an unheard of rate.. Realtors were jacking up home prices as fast as the market would
allow. Add the uninformed high risk home buyer and you have the perfect
Storm. Did some one put a gun to these peoples head to buy the home in the first Place?? What didn’t they understand about ARM?? Didn’t they realize that Property tax, upkeep, Utilities and insurance all tie into the cost of owning a home and Can double the cost of the loan.. Sorry to say there is no right to own a home. If you cant afford it then rent…Our economy was too involved in the housing market and as Warren Buffet predicted it crashed and tanked the economy.. Bottom line Greed by everyone caused the crash. Who is really To blame?? Look in the mirror… "
Leonard wrote on Nov 17, 2009 8:13 AM:
" Leonard, if what you say is true, then we should all be very critical. I myself have complained about posts of mine being removed; although I'm sure that I went over the top on at least one occasion -- just couldn't help myself.
It is troubling and the worst part is that there seems to be no rhyme or reason to it.
One infamous poster here has put up all sort of nasty stuff with racist epithets, threats of violence and worse and they stay up for months but if you say the wrong thing about Jerome, your posts are deleted within the hour, even if they conform entirely to the posted rules and regs. " "
Leonard wrote on Nov 17, 2009 8:11 AM:
-It really is silly. If you're not happy with LNS's decison to publish Jerome's letters you should advise them that their credibility is on the line too.
Brian, you just don't get it. I have no problem with the LNS publishing Jerome's letters.
What I DO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH is Jerome using his influence at the LNS to get posts that are critical of his writings deleted.
For a man who claims to value Freedom of Speech to actively work to encourage the censorship of those who disagree with him is hypocrisy of the rankest sort.
There.
Do you understand now? "
Brian wrote on Nov 17, 2009 8:07 AM:
Some may have enough influence on the LNS to get posts deleted that don't go by the comment rules. What a concept.:) "
Rhodie v2.0 wrote on Nov 17, 2009 8:07 AM:
See, I would argue that American consumption is what lead us to the recession. The whole mentality of using debt to buy things we don't need leads to LOSS of disposable income. I've tried to make this arguement with my retired parents who keep buying new cars. How much more money would they ave a month if they didn't have two car payments? The average car payment is what, 400-500/month? The average house has two car payments (yes those are board generalizations to make a point). Now, take half the families in America and have them change their mentality as to buying new cars all the time, so now they want to drive the car to twice as long as it took to pay off. Maybe a quarter of them are able to drive a car without payments in the next two years. How many millions of dollars would then be available for them to spend on smaller manufactured goods. "
rantraves wrote on Nov 17, 2009 8:05 AM:
Rhodie v2.0 wrote on Nov 17, 2009 7:58 AM:
In summary I was saying that price per unit and buying for longevity could counter the savings from buying cheap. When looking at the cost per use factors, even on things like clothes, buying better quality actually costs less in the long run. My $5 shirts last a year, $10 a couple years, $30 shirts many years.
Locally made goods my cost more that mass produced goods, but when looking at the quality, the savings may not be as big as one thinks. This is why I think it requires a change in mentality. People don't need a car loan, drive it until it dies or twice as long as it takes to pay it off. don't buy the new, bigger tv just because it is new and bigger. Not spending money now creates more disposable income later. Locally made goods coupled with disposable income leads to strong economies. "
Brian wrote on Nov 17, 2009 7:57 AM:
Chuckle.... Yeah Brian, that silly old credibility thing. "
-It really is silly. If you're not happy with LNS's decison to publish Jerome's letters you should advise them that their credibility is on the line too. Oh, that should go over reallll well. "
rantraves wrote on Nov 17, 2009 7:55 AM:
Leonard wrote on Nov 17, 2009 7:54 AM:
I think it is more of a mentality issue than a costs issue. We, as a whole country, have a very comsumptive mentality.
But consumption, particularly of American goods and services, drives the economy. If Americans start consuming less, the economy will shrink and we will plunge back into recession or even depression.
In any case, we cannot get by just producing goods for domestic consumption. Assuming that we will still import some goods that cannot be found here we will have to export goods and services as well to have a positive balance of trade. "
Brian wrote on Nov 17, 2009 7:53 AM:
Leonard wrote on Nov 17, 2009 7:51 AM:
He injects the
old credibility thing. Perhaps he should start writing letters to the LNS
and we'll see how they fare
Chuckle.... Yeah Brian, that silly old credibility thing. "
LodiJoe wrote on Nov 17, 2009 7:50 AM:
Brian wrote on Nov 17, 2009 7:47 AM:
Do you think Obama who professes to support the Constitution should use his influence to get those politicians in disagreement with him excluded from his meetings about health care reform because he knows their solutions are better than his? "
Rhodie v2.0 wrote on Nov 17, 2009 7:43 AM:
I think it is more of a mentality issue than a costs issue. We, as a whole country, have a very comsumptive mentality. The whole keeping up with the Jones' type mentality. Newer cars, newer computers, latest exercise eq., bigger houses and so on. It took me a few years but I finally started looking for the more expensive, better made (American made) lawnmowers. Before that, when I bought the cheap ones, they lasted 1-2 years before needing service that exceeded its value. My current is now four years old and needed no service other than a fresh blade.
When I go shopping I look at the cost per unit and compare that way. A cheaper looking box of Zybuytq's may actually be more when looking at the cost per unity of a slightly larger box. Cont. "
Brian wrote on Nov 17, 2009 7:40 AM:
Jerome, your credibility around here is just about zero.
-It's always the same old song and dance with Leonard. He injects the
old credibility thing. Perhaps he should start writing letters to the LNS
and we'll see how they fare. Or why not write that letter to the LNS challenging
Jerome? Until then, we'll just continue to see Leonard demonstrate his inability to invalidate Jerome. "
sparky595 wrote on Nov 17, 2009 7:21 AM:
'We hired a person for the hardest job in the world without any experience, education background, training or any qualifications whatsoever.'
He doesn't need any of that. He is nothing more than a puppet held up by the left wing socialist click that he emerged from. George Soros, moveon.org, ACORN, SEIU, The Tides Foundation, The Apollo Alliance, Emmanuel, Axelrod, and Valerie Jarrett are the ones pulling the strings on this Pinnochio. "
Leonard wrote on Nov 17, 2009 4:50 AM:
The obvious results of such a price hike would be massive inflation combined with a general drop in the standard of living. I suspect there are a number of more subtle consequences as well that would be obvious to an economist but escape me. "
Rhodie v2.0 wrote on Nov 16, 2009 9:28 PM:
IF (big if) people changed to reflect this kind of endurance consuption then more disposable income could be spent buying more goods than making payments on one item. this would be a long term and benificial turn for the economy and the country.
Of course this is just my opinion. "
Rhodie v2.0 wrote on Nov 16, 2009 9:08 PM:
I think Lodi has a good base for increasing manufacturing with it's agricultural base and the production of wine and other common items. But with the large number of outdoor activities available to us here a couple of producion centers for bicycles, kayaks and such couple boost not only local jobs but local enthusiasm of outdoor activities. The production centers could even keep costs down by having a co-op on production equipment. "
Gator wrote on Nov 16, 2009 8:38 PM:
much better. To say we started with zero would be about right. The best we
had was the American Fighting man and it took some 16 months till the
Equipment started to catch up… "
Rhodie v2.0 wrote on Nov 16, 2009 8:35 PM:
So what are some of the "local" maufacturing things I was talking about? Well, some would require a slight change in expectations but let's start with a couple items. First and biggest would be the auto industry. What if when you went to buy a new car you could do all the test drives and such to decide on the car you wanted like you can now, but when you were done you sat with the sales "guide" who could walk you options, colors, fabrics and so on that, when you walked out, a fabrication crew in back got started on with you car. So every car bought was custom to the buyers specific desires (like when a new house is built for you). This would employ a handful more people per shop across the country, potentially doubling or tripling people employed in auto manufacturing. Costs wouldn't be much higher since people had to do these things anyway. But as Americans we are not use to waiting.
Next. "
Ivan Dixon wrote on Nov 16, 2009 7:56 PM:
wtf wrote on Nov 16, 2009 7:55 PM:
"...Until the American public figures out that their involvement doesn’t stop after they leave the voting booth things will remain the same..."
You are absolutely right on that, Gator. This is why the Ron Paul people have formed the Campaign for Liberty - and it's these folks who have primarily moved the CON-gress regarding H.R. 1207, the Audit the Fed Bill by Ron Paul.
http://www.campaignforliberty.com/
There is also the the Liberty PAC:
http://www.libertypac.net/
There's an article on the C4L site that you might find interesting, Gator, since it pretty much echoes what you wrote in your post about involvement **after** voting; the article is called "How We Win"
http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog.php?view=28123 "
Gator wrote on Nov 16, 2009 7:50 PM:
technology. Audi and Volkswagen lead the way. VW has a 3 cyl
straight rail injection diesel that out performs 99% of 4 cyl cars on the market today and burns cleaner at 73 MPG. It’s all doable we just need to get with the program.. Modern shops with hy-tech Machinery and a motivated workforce can get the job done. The greatest Generation did
It there is no reason in hell this generation can’t do it… "
veritas wrote on Nov 16, 2009 7:40 PM:
wdbdgdad wrote on Nov 16, 2009 7:35 PM:
Rhodie v2.0 wrote on Nov 16, 2009 6:40 PM:
Got to run for now, dinner is beeping at me. "
Leonard wrote on Nov 16, 2009 6:39 PM:
I must have missed something this weekend. L. can you point me to the exchange you are refering to? "
Well, you can't read it now because it has all been deleted, but the discussion of whether some posters here tacitly support racism would have been a good example. "
Rhodie v2.0 wrote on Nov 16, 2009 6:39 PM:
L. Let me try this one. I see two ways to counter the arguement that American made would be more expensive. First is the level of technology in the US. A factory propery outfitted with tech (automation to assemble) could produce many times more goods per person than any sweat shop. Just watch (if you hada tv) the series "How's it made".
Second arguement is that there are many higher tech manufacturing possibilities that America should be taking advantage of. I'm thinking heavier goods like transportation as well as delicate like solar panels.
But let's face it, this is America. One of the things that I think of most when I think of the great US is innovation. I think the best way to revitalize American manufacturing is to stimulate small business production. Forget one factory in Iowa making things for the whole nation. How about smaller, independant factories in the communities creating jobs? These custom motorcycle shops in every town have the right idea. "
Rhodie v2.0 wrote on Nov 16, 2009 6:28 PM:
" Rant, I am curious. Do you think posters here who profess to support the Constitution should use their influence with the LNS to get posts by those who disagree with them deleted? "
I must have missed something this weekend. L. can you point me to the exchange you are refering to? "
Leonard wrote on Nov 16, 2009 6:09 PM:
We need to get Manufacturing going again
this having crap from China and Vietnam, Mexico is pure B/S. And personal
spending has to have a lid put on it that is what got us into trouble in the first place…
These seem to be contradictory goals since US made goods, with a few exceptions, will almost always cost more than those made by slave laborers in foreign hell holes.
I generally support the idea of restoring American manufacturing but one argument that has been presented to me which I have no really good response to is that such a resurgence would almost certainly mean a reduction in the standard of living for many Americans since American made goods would cost more than foreign made ones.
Do you have an answer to that criticism? "
voter wrote on Nov 16, 2009 6:03 PM:
Gator wrote on Nov 16, 2009 5:36 PM:
professed to being a Republican Voter…That being said it’s still up to the
American voter to hold the line on any and all politicians that means setting
term limits and if there is a bad apple in the mix then recall the person and
take away any and all benefits. We need to get Manufacturing going again
this having crap from China and Vietnam, Mexico is pure B/S. And personal
spending has to have a lid put on it that is what got us into trouble in the first place…Greed is not Good…Wake up people and stop the name calling
you sound like a bunch of second graders. And only a fool votes a straight
party ticket… "
Leonard wrote on Nov 16, 2009 4:57 PM:
Leonard wrote on Nov 16, 2009 4:55 PM:
" This from :
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=110781
World net daily? Are you completely uncritical in your media consumption.
You want to cite Fox News?
Fine, but please leave the worldnetdaily cites in the toilet with the rest of the raw sewage. "
Leonard wrote on Nov 16, 2009 4:52 PM:
" L - you really can't be that ignorant to believe that Obama penned his own books.
I am curious. What (specifically) makes you think that Obama is incapable of writing a book about his own father without a ghost writer?
Lots of men have written books about their fathers without ghostwriters. What essential quality did they have that Barack Obama lacks? "
Leonard wrote on Nov 16, 2009 4:47 PM:
" You're obsessing Leonard. Once more -- "conservative" is an adjective; Republican is a noun.
Actually, both words are adjectives and nouns. Check a dictionary. "
sparky595 wrote on Nov 16, 2009 4:21 PM:
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=110781
'With the deadline pressing, Michelle recommended that Barack seek advice from "his friend and Hyde Park neighbor Bill Ayers."
To flesh out his family history, Obama had taped interviews with various family members. Andersen writes, "These oral histories, along with a partial manuscript and a truckload of notes, were given to Ayers."
Andersen quotes a Hyde Park neighbor: "Everyone knew they were friends and that they worked on various projects together. It was no secret. Why would it be? People liked them both."
Andersen continues, "In the end, Ayers' contribution to Barack's 'Dreams From My Father' would be significant – so much so that the book's language, oddly specific references, literary devices and themes would bear a jarring similarity to Ayers' own writing." ' "
t jefferson wrote on Nov 16, 2009 3:49 PM:
As far as sodomizing the constitution, unfortunately the Bush administration is just the latest in a long line of progressive sodomizes starting with Lincoln thorough Wilson and FDR. Bush sold his soul for national security (I disagreed then and still disagree), unfortunately those so called defenders of freedom (democrats) not only kept the bush bills they expanded them. NO leg to stand on there. "
dogbark wrote on Nov 16, 2009 3:44 PM:
I know that shouldn't be so, but afterall the right wing has taught us to respond to labels rather than fact. "
rantraves wrote on Nov 16, 2009 3:01 PM:
Leonard wrote on Nov 16, 2009 2:14 PM:
Well, I am here to tell you that we are not going to let you get away with it, either here, on the pages of the LNS or nationally either.
You must and will be held accountable for your actions, both individually and as a group. "
Leonard wrote on Nov 16, 2009 2:10 PM:
I would suggest that you begin to understand that there are rules on this forum, specifically against "Comments unrelated to the story".
Jerry, the point that I am sure you get (although you consistently ignore it) is that the matter of your hypocrisy is directly relevant to this letter.
For years, as they wandered in the wilderness, the conservatives portrayed themselves as the defenders of family values and fiscal responsibility. Year after year, conservative candidates babbled on about the housecleaning they would perform if they ever controlled the legislative and executive branches of government.
Of course, we all know what happened when that finally came to pass. The conservative hypocrites took this country to the very brink of financial catastrophe while they took their own hedonism to new heights, exposing themselves in men's rooms, flying off for illicit rendezvouses with their mistresses on the taxpayer's dime and spending vast sums of money to cover up affairs of every type and stripe.
The conservative ascendancy in the first half of this decade was defined by its hypocrisy just as you are defined by yours. "
Jerome R. Kinderman wrote on Nov 16, 2009 2:01 PM:
We elected a president who had no business being forced into office. Yes, his race had something to do with it, as did the national disappointment with the Bush Administration. But after one year, one would have thought the Dems would be riding high and mighty. But with Obama, Pelosi, Reid and a host of other ultra-liberal leader wannabes, it's no wonder conservatives are in fact gaining traction.
And while independents may very well play an important role in the upcoming races, they aren't the only factor. With Democrats turning away from their own leadership, the independents' influence is quickly diluting. At this point 2010 is looking more than hopeful for conservatives while 2012 is anyone's prize at this point. "
Gator wrote on Nov 16, 2009 1:37 PM:
little more on the Ball. Until the American public figures out that their involvement doesn’t stop after they leave the voting booth things will remain the same.and the same holds true with the way we live. You don’t live by the credit Card alone. The idea is one buys what they can afford and nothing else…Life is choices make the good ones OK, make the bad ones shame on you. I would give the American public more credit on the Political situation but they have got real lazy, let some one else do it….No matter what the bloom Is off the rose, it will never be like it was… "
wtf wrote on Nov 16, 2009 11:45 AM:
And I'm not alone...
The winner of the 2009 elections is: Ron Paul!
http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/lawmaker-news/66039-the-winner-of-the-2009-elections-is-ron-paul
As for the MSM....well...this article pretty much describes the true situation:
The Media As Enablers of Government Lies
"Why do politicians so easily get away with telling lies? In large part, because the news media are more interested in bonding with politicians than in exposing them. Americans are encouraged to believe that the media will serve as a check and a balance on the government. Instead, the press too often volunteer as unpaid pimps, helping politicians deceive the public."
http://www.campaignforliberty.com/article.php?view=363 "
Gator wrote on Nov 16, 2009 11:20 AM:
Don’t put all your eggs in one Basket…The Republicans are a one trick
Pony dancing on one leg.. They have no new Bright stars, nothing and they
Had best pay attention to the independent voter with out them your toast.
But so are the Democrats "
Jerome R. Kinderman wrote on Nov 16, 2009 9:43 AM:
While O'Reilly steers clear of supporting any specific party, what would one expect from Hannity? He doesn't claim to be a news reporter.
But you don't hear any legitimate problems with the reporting arm of FoxNews. Even Obama gave O'Reilly a positive reaction after his pre-election interview; as did Hillary Clinton.
Once again, it's fear that actual facts might find their way to the ears of those coveted independent voters that has the left clamoring for some form of the ill-named Fairness Doctrine.
So, the left has the White House, both houses of Congress and the media on their side. The right has but one cable news network and a spattering of radio and cable talk-show personalities on theirs. Talk about unbalanced!!
However, all we need is for President Obama to keep on keeping on. 2010 is beginning to look like a great year! "
Gator wrote on Nov 16, 2009 9:17 AM:
a spending binge with credit cards, loans , second’s and even thirds to live
the good life. Driving gas guzzlers and wanting even bigger guzzlers. builders over built and on and on.. The Government was no better they let
ACORN slide making loans to people who should have stayed in rentals.
we get into a war that should have never happened and screwed up the one
we should have paid attention to. How you say did this come about. People
didn’t hold the Government accountable and they didn’t hold themselves
accountable. Time to start and Term limits would be a good start. Cut up
all your credit cards but one, live within your income. Grow up and get
Serious… We have met the enemy and it-R-us…. "
election year wrote on Nov 16, 2009 9:14 AM:
And who exactly do you suppose are my "cronies," as you put it? I'm sure you mean the intelligent, thinking people in this country!! I'd bet a dollar that you have a Bill O'Reilly or Sean Hannity coffee cup on your breakfast table every morning. And put on your Fox ball cap as you leave the house. "
election year wrote on Nov 16, 2009 9:04 AM:
Next time I'll "spell" that out for you more clearly. And NO. I don't make mistakes in spelling. I check every word before posting. I have a reputation to maintain! "
Leonard wrote on Nov 16, 2009 8:51 AM:
" Leonard, as I have continued to avoid any direct discourse with you (for obvious reasons)
You avoid direct discourse with anyone who disagrees with you. I assume this is to save yourself the embarrassment of having to defend your indefensible statements. "
Leonard wrote on Nov 16, 2009 8:50 AM:
However, if you truly want to debate the First Amendment then let me suggest that you write a letter to the editor yourself specifically calling me out on what you believe to be any attempt on my part to thwart anyone of their rights here. You do that and I'll gladly engage you
Jerome, your credibility around here is just about zero, so I won't waste the time. Instead, I will simply continue to remind people of your astounding hypocrisy and let them draw their own conclusions about how that relates to your posts here. "
Gator wrote on Nov 16, 2009 8:45 AM:
administration. In fact I believe they would have voted for Elmer Fudd over Bush. I didn’t vote for Obama but I intend to give him a chance
which is more than a lot of sore losers are doing. The Republicans are disorganized to a fault and if they expect to do anything they had best get
rid of the Limbaugh influence. He turns off lots of people,face it folks just
don’t like a blow hard. Both parties had best realize they can’t win with out
The support of the independent voter.. "
Jerome R. Kinderman wrote on Nov 16, 2009 8:27 AM:
However, if you truly want to debate the First Amendment then let me suggest that you write a letter to the editor yourself specifically calling me out on what you believe to be any attempt on my part to thwart anyone of their rights here. You do that and I'll gladly engage you. Until then, I'm sticking to the rules. You're obviously free to continue doing whatever you want. "
Jerome R. Kinderman wrote on Nov 16, 2009 8:06 AM:
Right now our sights should be set on next November. The tide has already begun to turn against this president who simply doesn't seem to "get" that regular folks out here are getting increasingly angry with him. This sets the tone rather nicely for a huge change in Congress, especially in the House. 2010 is beginning to look a lot like 1994.
But between now and then a lot can happen. If President Obama continues on his road to disaster, relief is but a year away. "
Leonard wrote on Nov 16, 2009 8:04 AM:
How to you reconcile your vocal defense of the First Amendment with your attempts to deprive Billy Rubin of his First Amendment rights? "
Leonard wrote on Nov 16, 2009 8:03 AM:
" Such hatred toward Sarah Palin has to make one wonder why
I don't hate Sarah Palin. I hate the fact that people care so little about our country that they would try to make her President. The woman simply is not intellectually qualified to serve in any position with significant responsibilities. "
Jerome R. Kinderman wrote on Nov 16, 2009 7:53 AM:
Isn't she the one who stupidly resigned from her job as Governor of Alaska? Oh, and wasn't it because of Katie Couric's interview of her the actual reason we all discovered how inept she really is?
Clearly there is a lot to fear from this inconsequential lady from the great northwest. Could it be that she is actually gaining traction politically while our current CINC's numbers are falling. Sure, people still "like" Obama, but as far as his governing is concerned it's becoming clear that after less than a year, we're demanding a fundamentally different kind of "change" and "hope" than he has been able to deliver.
Could Sarah Palin actually win with such an audacious platform? No, of course not. President Obama already spoiled that ruse. She's going to need to actually prove - over the next three years - that she is capable of "leading" rather than "pushing." So far, she's faring rather nicely. Anyway, she's already got my vote. "
Leonard wrote on Nov 16, 2009 7:29 AM:
" L the fact you would prefer to have Peolosi run this country shows just what type of person you are.
Indeed, the fact that I would choose Pelosi, Limbaugh or even John Beckman to run the country over Palin shows that I am a Patriot. "
Leonard wrote on Nov 16, 2009 7:27 AM:
" L - Obama wrote his books?
Obama certainly wrote his first book. No one hires a ghost writer to write the autobiography of a no body who just graduated from law school.
As for his second book, I have never seen any evidence that a ghost writer was used.
Get a grip, TJ. "
t jefferson wrote on Nov 16, 2009 7:24 AM:
t jefferson wrote on Nov 16, 2009 7:22 AM:
t jefferson wrote on Nov 16, 2009 7:20 AM:
Leonard wrote on Nov 16, 2009 7:09 AM:
Palin has a #1 best selling book out
A book that she did not write.
All these media types should be interviewing her ghost writer. "
Leonard wrote on Nov 16, 2009 7:05 AM:
Now is your chance, Leonard, to tell us that you would rather have Pelosi running America, than Palin
Absolutely.
I would rather have Rush Limbaugh running the country than Sarah Palin as well. Anyone with even a marginal intellect would be better than Palin. The woman is a drooling imbecile. "
Leonard wrote on Nov 16, 2009 7:03 AM:
I guess you just aren't up to it. "
sparky595 wrote on Nov 16, 2009 7:00 AM:
sparky595 wrote on Nov 16, 2009 6:55 AM:
I'll be sure to misspell another word later so that you will have another reason to post here, since you obviously have nothing of intelligence to contribute. "
sparky595 wrote on Nov 16, 2009 6:43 AM:
'What do you think will happen to this country if O "mysteriously" dies and Biden becomes VP.'
An even scarier thought would be if obama and biden were to have an 'accident'. That would leave Nancy Pelosi as our President.
Now is your chance, Leonard, to tell us that you would rather have Pelosi running America, than Palin. Keep in mind that Pelosi is holding on to about a 30% approval rating, and Palin has a #1 best selling book out, and garners crowds at her speeches that are not paralleled by any other. I am not endorsing Palin, I'm just making the comparison of her to Pelosi. "
election year wrote on Nov 16, 2009 6:38 AM:
t jefferson wrote on Nov 16, 2009 6:29 AM:
O's election was an anit-bush backlash, but O is proving to be bush JR.
Most people didn't vote for O because he was black, come on now, 97% of the black people voted for him just because he looks black. Explain that. Qualified? that path has already been trod down many times and it is clear that O was not nor currently is qualified for his present position. Just hope he doesn't do too much damage before next summer.
As far as VP, heck this country has lived through Dan Quayle, Al Gore and other worse VP's than Biden or Pallin would have made. What do you think will happen to this country if O "mysteriously" dies and Biden becomes VP. That thought experiment rarely get run, but man it is scarey.
Save your childish progressive raving for the liberal meeting down at the local union hall.
Oh yea, your comment is racist (because O is half white), bigoted (because you use conjecture) and full of untruths (because you didn't know demographics). Got in there today... "
Leonard wrote on Nov 16, 2009 6:16 AM:
Hey, next election, the GOP should run on 'Dreams and Abundance'.
Just out of curiosity, what exactly did the GOP run on in the last election? "Age Teamed with Imbecility"? "
sparky595 wrote on Nov 16, 2009 6:04 AM:
Now he has decided to give the 9/11 mastermind the rights of American civilians in a U.S. court. What a joke. Is this an attempt to serve justice on a terrorist that murdered thousands of Americans, or an attempt to drag our military interrogation methods through the world media spotlight.
We are giving a guy, that has admitted his involvement in 9/11, a stage in a courtroom to expose, through his defense attorney, boat loads of information that al queda and other terrorists will feed on. A lot of info will probably be thrown out, due to the fact that this terrorist caught over seas did not receive miranda rights when apprehended.
Eric Holder has been setting this up for awhile. Remember a few months back when he was dragging the CIA through the mud about water boarding? This is his and obama's way of exposing bush's interrogation methods to the world without appearing to do it on purpose.
This trial is more about obama making bush look bad rather than KSM. "
sparky595 wrote on Nov 16, 2009 5:44 AM:
'I hired him because he gave us hope, he gave us a dream, he said there would be change. I voted on "a chance.'
This is why we have this bafoon as president. People voted for words. Hope, change, and a chance? Obama didn't win because he was qualified. He won because he kept repeating empty words of hope and change.
Hey, next election, the GOP should run on 'Dreams and Abundance'. They won't have to tell us what the 'dreams' are about or how the 'abundance' will come. They can just keep repeating the words 'dreams' and 'abundance' and everyone will come out and vote for them. "
Leonard wrote on Nov 16, 2009 5:11 AM:
I voted for Obama because he was the best qualified candidate to lead this country forward.
John McCain promised four more years when this country had already had eight too many while Sarah Palin simply scared the hell out of me. "
Leonard wrote on Nov 16, 2009 4:52 AM:
Would people support our invasion of Holland, even after it had sank into a bloody insurgency? Would the sale of Alaska to Canada be seen as a mistake or a brilliant bit of fiscal wizardry? How would the eradication of the Mennonites and the subsequent arrest of the entire Supreme Court be perceived here both here at home and in Serbia, our sole remaining overseas ally?
Thankfully, these questions are unanswerable but there is still much to be gained by pondering. "
Leonard wrote on Nov 16, 2009 4:45 AM:
We hired a person for the hardest job in the world without any experience, education background, training or any qualifications whatsoever.
Its hard to know how to respond to such an outrageous pack of falsehoods, especially when they come from people who evidently wanted to put Sarah Palin a faltering heart beat away from the Presidency. "
KenH wrote on Nov 16, 2009 3:15 AM:
Will he get my vote again? If he screws up the country worse in his full term, not a chance. I'm waiting to see some real tangible evidence of change. "
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