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Government won't tell truth about health care
Monday, November 9, 2009 6:14 AM PST
My grandfather was the greatest salesman who ever lived — that was before Obama, of course.
I say that not only because of his business acumen, but because he believed that if you just told the truth then you would always have good clients. He also used to say, "If you need to change the name of something more than once, then the name isn't your biggest problem." And so it goes with "government health care."
First, they (Obama and his sales team) called their plan the "single payer," then it morphed into the "public option," to finally evolve into a "co-op with a trigger" — I guess that's so you can blow your head off after you sign up.
What does it all mean? It means that "Team Obama" cannot tell us the truth about their "product" because they know that 80 percent of us won't buy it if we find out what's in it. So they string us along with impassioned rhetoric about our "moral obligation," and how their version of morality will take us toward the satisfaction of our "needs." Please! These people don't know a thing about our needs — like energy and jobs — they only care about what they think we need.
The deception, of course, lies in what we will be forced to sacrifice so that Team Obama can give us what we are allowed to have — smart, aren't they? The problem with their strategy, however, is that it presumes those required to "pay" will do so without the expectation of just compensation.
In other words, Team Obama thinks that those who pay their own bills will gladly pay for someone else. But c'mon — if the "productive class" wanted to subsidize the "non-productive," then we wouldn't be sitting on top of a mountain of unpaid liabilities. Remember the deficit?
And that's what it's really all about, now, isn't it? The government is broke (and broken), and the geniuses in Washington think the only way to save themselves is to build a "bigger program." I'm sorry, but Team Obama's version of socialism is so last century — yes, they can change the name, but they can't change it's malignant spots. Believe it!
Stan Taves
Lodi
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Lodian wrote on Nov 16, 2009 1:12 PM:
Lodian wrote on Nov 16, 2009 1:12 PM:
Brian wrote on Nov 16, 2009 7:12 AM:
You need to explain to us why you don't thing Obamacare is flawed. You especially need to address the blue dog
Democrats that may happen upon this blogg who were denied access to Obama's
meetings that were meant to include even the opposition but he threw them under the bus anyway. "
Brian wrote on Nov 16, 2009 7:03 AM:
" Brian thinks he has a copy of my "agenda"? lol! This is very curious, as I've never submitted an "agenda" to this guy. "
-Lodian thinks she has to submit a copy of her agenda here on the bloggs for us to figure out what she's all about. Chuckle. "
Brian wrote on Nov 16, 2009 7:01 AM:
Lodian wrote on Nov 15, 2009 3:08 PM:
Lodian wrote on Nov 15, 2009 3:00 PM:
Brian wrote on Nov 15, 2009 8:33 AM:
sparky595 wrote on Nov 14, 2009 3:03 PM:
Lodian wrote on Nov 14, 2009 2:06 PM:
Lodian wrote on Nov 14, 2009 2:04 PM:
sparky595 wrote on Nov 14, 2009 5:15 AM:
Lodian wrote on Nov 14, 2009 12:10 AM:
Is that a "no" on the health insurance question? "
sparky595 wrote on Nov 13, 2009 7:14 AM:
Cheering for anything this important, without having answers to basic questions that affect you and your family is just plain IGNORANT! "
Brian wrote on Nov 13, 2009 6:42 AM:
It would seem that you get your free welfare health care but don't want others to have the option.
Chuckle,
I'll make another attempt at talking to a tree. There are better solutions to health care reform Obama and his cronies
have left out of the bill. Now, since I'm talking to a tree, well..... "
Brian wrote on Nov 13, 2009 6:36 AM:
With all due respect, I couldn't care less what Brian's coverage is currently. I'm concerned about what this healthcare bill could do to all of us once it is passed. No one wants to talk about the real concerns that real people have about this bill. Who will claim it is a perfect bill with no faults? No one. "
-I always enjoy the exchanges we have. I am one of millions who don't have employer provided health ins. And I don't have an extra 1000 a month bucks to insure my family. The liberals have been contending that if you are against
Obama care you are against health insurance reform. You and I know how
dishonest that charge is. They keep on trying to shove down our throats it's their way or the highway. Obama has taught them well the art of Chicago strong-armed politics. "
sparky595 wrote on Nov 13, 2009 6:07 AM:
With all due respect, I couldn't care less what Brian's coverage is currently. I'm concerned about what this healthcare bill could do to all of us once it is passed. No one wants to talk about the real concerns that real people have about this bill. Who will claim it is a perfect bill with no faults? No one. "
Billy Rubin wrote on Nov 13, 2009 5:11 AM:
And you oppose coverage for your own children - WHY?
It would seem that you get your free welfare health care but don't want others to have the option.
Tell us, won't you, about the heavy contribution YOU make to the 1/6 of the economy you keep regurgitating. "
Brian wrote on Nov 12, 2009 6:23 PM:
Contents of the bill will be available to read at least 72 hours prior to a vote. "
Brian wrote on Nov 12, 2009 6:22 PM:
THE 20 BIG LIES IN THE HEALTHCARE REFORM DEBATE
You can keep your insurance if you like it.
You can keep your doctor if you wish.
US healthcare ranks near the bottom of the industrialized world.
Major cause of bankruptcies is related to medical expenses.
14,000 people per day are dying due to lack of medical insurance.
Most doctors support Obamacare as endorsed by organized medicine (AMA).
Senior citizens will not lose any Medicare benefits.
Insurance premiums will be reduced for most Americans.
This plan will only result in tax increases for the super wealthy.
Proposed HC bills are budget "neutral" and will not add to the federal deficit.
There are only 2 choices: the current system or Obamacare.
The Republicans say NO because they lack and alternative plan.
The public "strongly" supports Obamacare and public option.
There will not be any rationing in healthcare.
The government will not interfere between you and your doctor.
Most doctors oppose HCR legislation so they can preserve their income.
This is a "crisis" situation and needs to be passed into law immediately.
A public option will increase competition and not result in a single payer system. cont. "
Lodian wrote on Nov 12, 2009 12:14 AM:
" Lodian asked: " Brian: What kind of health insurance do you have today? "
Hopefully the kind that will help restore the blood flow to his brain since he doesn't exercise enough."
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Oh, maybe that's why he keeps calling me names like "fat"... he's just projecting. Poor Brian. "
Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Nov 11, 2009 5:36 PM:
Hopefully the kind that will help restore the blood flow to his brain since he doesn't exercise enough. "
Lodian wrote on Nov 11, 2009 12:29 PM:
danielh wrote on Nov 11, 2009 10:02 AM:
sven31 wrote on Nov 11, 2009 8:11 AM:
Brian wrote on Nov 11, 2009 5:23 AM:
" Why does Stan Taves hate Brian Dockter and Jerome Kinderman so fiercely he would deny them access to basic medical care? "
-Chuckle,
How can Stan Taves, who knows interstate health insurance would bring down the costs of health insurance immensely, possibly be a proponent of denying me and Jerome basic health care?
And since when has a government entitlement program made a profit? I suppose Billy is convinced that further government regulation of the health insurance industry and the takeover of 1/6th of nation's economy is the best
course of action for health care reform.
Suit yourself, Billy. "
danielh wrote on Nov 10, 2009 10:30 PM:
The purpose of my referring to the blown-up nuclear plant was to show that Saddam Hussein's nuclear facilities were the subject of continuous bombing, thereby interference with his nuclear weapons technology programs. "
sven31 wrote on Nov 10, 2009 6:53 PM:
It was widely believed at the time that even for the Israeli air force this was a little too precise and the speculation was that it was actually blown up from inside, with help from Israeli agents or Iraqi operatives. No citation, just remember reading it in US News or Aviation Week or some such thing back then. It was 28 years ago. "
SVEN31 wrote on Nov 10, 2009 6:15 AM:
"In the 1970's, Israel bombed Iraq's nuclear power plant which was under construction"
Try 1981. Look it up. 1981 was not part of the 70's.
But this is even funnier:
"You must certainly have seen my thesis on the original debt which was secured by the People with the US Constitution. "
So now your passing yourself off as a constitutional historian? "
danielh wrote on Nov 9, 2009 10:08 PM:
danielh wrote on Nov 9, 2009 10:06 PM:
You must certainly have seen my thesis on the original debt which was secured by the People with the US Constitution. "
sparky595 wrote on Nov 9, 2009 8:27 PM:
dogs4you wrote on Nov 9, 2009 8:17 PM:
dogs4you wrote on Nov 9, 2009 8:12 PM:
The only reason Plame got noticed is, with a 10 button sweater, she buttoned 8, or was it 7.
If you get your information from CNN you might as well believe everything the Enquirer prints as you wait at the check out stand with a screaming 2 year old. "
citizen wrote on Nov 9, 2009 8:03 PM:
danielh wrote on Nov 9, 2009 7:55 PM:
I don't read any trash journalism. "
danielh wrote on Nov 9, 2009 7:53 PM:
In the 1970's, Israel bombed Iraq's nuclear power plant which was under construction. I think they waited until it was almost finished before they bombed it.
Again, in the 1991 Gulf War, the nuclear power plants were among the highest priority to bomb.
So just how do you propose Saddam was going to obtain fissionable material?
If you think Saddam was developing nuclear weapons, I ask you how he recovered from the 1991 gulf war "
sparky595 wrote on Nov 9, 2009 7:22 PM:
Pelosi, Reid, Baucus, along with the rest of the democrat congressmen and senators "
sven31 wrote on Nov 9, 2009 6:23 PM:
danielh wrote on Nov 9, 2009 3:40 PM
"Valerie Plame intercepted the nuclear warhead..."
Does anyone ever wonder why only danielH seems to know this stuff? "
sven31 wrote on Nov 9, 2009 6:19 PM:
The best line I've ever read here:
"like that little jack-off that runs Iran"
We should get the network news offices to always refer to him as that.
What's he gonna do? Load his atomic bomb into the back seat of an old F14 and drive it to Washington DC and light the fuse?
It's also easier to remember than his name and way easier to pronounce. "
danielh wrote on Nov 9, 2009 6:17 PM:
danielh wrote on Nov 9, 2009 6:17 PM:
4) when plame was exposed, so were her operatives working with / for her. In CIA, on the wall of "fallen agents," there is a star whose date closely matches the date of her exposure.
I think that was due to compromise of the agent. We can only speculate. "
danielh wrote on Nov 9, 2009 6:16 PM:
To wit,
1) Pakistani nuclear physicist A. H. Khan, was completely compromised by Valerie Plame. Everything Khan did was under her observation. It is said that Pakistan developed the nuclear weapon by permission from the CIA.
2) Plame was resourceful in preventing North Korea from developing the bomb. Plame was involved in Korea's commitment and expenditure outlay for the WRONG technology. As closely as I could understand, it was the equivalent of developing technology for a "little boy," gun-type device, which would use uranium-235, whereas Korea's nuclear reactors would produce fissionable material for a "fat man" device, which uses plutonium.
3) Iran purchased centrifuge technology which was constructed of the wrong dimensions. Basically, Iran had to go through A.H. Khan, but that was Plame's agent.
continued... "
dogs4you wrote on Nov 9, 2009 6:06 PM:
dogs4you wrote on Nov 9, 2009 6:03 PM:
Saddam was working on an atomic weapon, he, like that little jack-off that runs Iran only needed more time to prefect his weapon. Had not been stopped he could have held the entire region hostage. All countries agreed that he had to be removed from power, and the reason the amount of countries participated in Desert Storm 1. Scooter Libby should have never spent any time in jail for exposing a clerk "
sparky595 wrote on Nov 9, 2009 4:59 PM:
citizen wrote on Nov 9, 2009 4:02 PM:
danielh wrote on Nov 9, 2009 3:40 PM:
Well, what happened was CIA field agent Valerie Plame was responsible for nuclear proliferation throughout the world, and noone moves a nuclear warhead anywhere in the world without her knowing about it.
Cheney's plan must have been so secret that he forgot to inform Valerie Plame.
Well...
Valerie Plame intercepted the nuclear warhead as it was travelling through Turkey, and it never got to Iraq. American troops never discovered a nuclear warhead within Iraq, and the whole Bush-Cheney popularity program did not exactly go according to plan.
Valerie Plame was exposed as a CIA operative when it became obvious that she wasn't cooperating with the Bush-Cheney Iran propoganda campaign, either. "
danielh wrote on Nov 9, 2009 3:36 PM:
Do you remember the Valerie Plame - Joseph Wilson saga. Scooter Libby exposed Valerie Plame because Wilson was speaking of his own experience on his visit to Niger, to uncover information on Saddam Hussein's procurement of yellowcake uranium.
Well, wilson didn't find any, and Cheney didn't appreciate Wilson telling his story. Allegedly, Cheney explained that it was unfortunate that he was married to a CIA agent while he was saying these things.
allegedly as the story went, this was the reason Cheney exposed Wilson's wife as a CIA field agent.
Well.... this isn't the whole story.
continued... "
dogs4you wrote on Nov 9, 2009 3:06 PM:
Concerning that 2000 page book on health care, reading the front and back page doesn`t mean the entire book was read. If 86% of the American people are happy with their health care, let the government take care of the 14% that don`t have it, providing they can come up with the money to afford it. The Hale Park bunch don`t have a pot to piss in or a window to through it out of, let Obama take care of them and leave me alone. "
sparky595 wrote on Nov 9, 2009 11:33 AM:
'Granted, I'll admit that I don't know every single detail about this health plan, but then again, secrecy seems to come with the territory of the Presidential seat--Rep. or Dem.'
I can't argue with you about secrecy on both sides. That is why so many Americans are against this healthcare bill. We are tired of the secrecy, double-talk, back-door deals, lies, and misinformation presented to hide the fact that this is a 2000 page government take over of our entire healthcare system. From the second you are born, until your last breath of air, you are at the mercy of the government for ALL of your healthcare needs. "
iambic grape stomp wrote on Nov 9, 2009 11:16 AM:
sparky595 wrote on Nov 9, 2009 11:13 AM:
DeputyChief wrote on Nov 9, 2009 10:39 AM:
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=G44NCvNDLfc "
sparky595 wrote on Nov 9, 2009 7:42 AM:
sparky595 wrote on Nov 9, 2009 7:42 AM:
iambic grape stomp wrote on Nov 9, 2009 7:26 AM:
sparky595 wrote on Nov 9, 2009 6:16 AM:
The liberal obama followers need to scrap the icing off the top and look at the ingredients used to make this cake.
One may enjoy the taste of a big mac, but if you saw the entire process of how it is made, you may not be so inclined to feast on it. "
Billy Rubin wrote on Nov 9, 2009 5:43 AM:
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