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A 1970s book exposes health care
Monday, November 9, 2009 6:14 AM PST
Health care is thoroughly exposed in a 1970s book entitled "World Without Cancer," by G. Edward Griffin.
Griffin also wrote "Creature from Jekyll Island," which exposes the Federal Reserve. Griffin was guest speaker with Ron Paul in Mountain View during Paul's presidential campaign.
Each of these books educates the reader on the true meaning of the word "cartel," and they expose America's two greatest cartels in banking and health care. These books are difficult to read if someone has a model opinion of American society.
According to Griffin, John D. Rockefeller Sr. monopolized two commodities that were greatest in demand. If someone is sick, they will arrange their priorities to trade money for health care. Rockefeller influenced creation of the Federal Reserve, became a stockholder, purchased the AMA, and established the FDA. Rockefeller's son is married with a daughter of another shareholder of the Fed.
Before I read these books, I thought the Rockefellers were just oil investors. Griffin illustrated how John D. Rockefeller Sr. recognized the importance of philanthropy to obscure view of his true monopolistic practice. At this point, the reader can swallow the blue pill (like in "The Matrix"), and their knowledge will remain the same as the world they already knew. Stop reading.
"World Without Cancer" contains two volumes. The first volume is about cancer treatment by natural vitamin remedy, and the second covers American partnership with Nazi Germany through two world wars. Both topics are related.
For example, mustard gas used in World War I later became chemotherapy. I chased some of the footnotes, and I found that Nazi corporations were ready to appear German in the event of a Nazi victory, but they so displayed themselves as American for the Marshall Plan.
There was an American partner, American IG, which was seized in America, but not until after its stock value collapsed and American auditors were led through a circular audit trail in Switzerland. Eventually, Attorney General Bobby Kennedy auctioned American IG from government ownership to the highest bidder, who was a Rockefeller agent, and American IG avoided additional scrutiny.
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Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Nov 16, 2009 10:16 PM:
Yeah, it's called cirrhosis of the liver. "
Robb wrote on Nov 16, 2009 9:28 PM:
danielh wrote on Nov 16, 2009 5:48 PM:
danielh wrote on Nov 16, 2009 5:48 PM:
I think Ron Paul appeals to people without full disclosure of facts of what is really happening in Washington, and New York City. "
danielh wrote on Nov 16, 2009 5:45 PM:
Ron Paul stated in committee that this change would make the bill constitutional, so that America could fight a constitutional war.
The chairman of the committee, who admittedly, I don't know the name of, responded that the constitution was old and out-dated. "
Lodian wrote on Nov 16, 2009 5:25 PM:
sparky595 wrote on Nov 16, 2009 4:28 PM:
Leonard wrote on Nov 16, 2009 2:34 PM:
I think you guys have kind of exhausted this subject of conversation. What would happen if you both agreed that you despise each other and, bearing that in mind, agreed to talk about the subject at hand.
I have been trying to do this with a couple of conservatives myself (TJ, Sparky, rantraves, Aimee) and I have to say that, for me, it makes life a lot more pleasant AND more interesting. "
Lodian wrote on Nov 16, 2009 12:30 PM:
Brian wrote on Nov 16, 2009 6:45 AM:
I have developed some type of condition
where my body won't tolerate alcohol.
Perhaps you think I should be tolerant of your rants about how you think I'm a drunk. I don't find it humorous at all.
I know you are going to just keep it up anyway. But, I have seen the affects
of alcoholism and this is why I was always a very moderate drinker. I do miss having my 1 or 2 glasses of wine in the evening. I don't feel the least bit obligated to explain to you anything. But I thought I would save you
some embarassment from how stupid you would make yourself look by posting your garbage about me now that I have gone above and beyond the call of duty
in explaining something to someone who I, especially wouldn't now, throw a rope to if you were sinking in quicksand. :~ "
Brian wrote on Nov 16, 2009 6:30 AM:
At it again trying to divert us from the subject matter of the letter? Your reputation precedes you. :) "
mike wrote on Nov 15, 2009 7:21 PM:
sven31 wrote on Nov 15, 2009 5:08 PM:
I couldn't care less about the magna carta. Maybe you should post in London paper if you are going to reference old english scribblings.
As to your using Ron Paul as some sort of evidence of fact for your mumblings, 1)I notice, of course, you don't mention the name of the congressman or woman who thought the Constitution was out dated;
and
2)your endorsement of Ron Paul and his 'teachings" or "readings" or "interpretations" is worthless, mostly because you speak so highly of him. He was more likely to interest me prior to your involvement.
Your continued support of a dangerous and useless mode of cancer treatment is so like you. Do you support those guys who pretend to pull cancer out of people w/o surgery and then show chicken guts to prove it? How about a good blood letting? Geo. Washington no longer endorses it! Maybe flouroscopes to make sure your shoes fit your feet right?
Lots of stuff we used to do we don't because we know better now. You don't. "
Lodian wrote on Nov 15, 2009 4:56 PM:
Lodian wrote on Nov 15, 2009 4:49 PM:
Brian: You're kidding right? Oh, wait... you don't have a sense of humor. You're just being a big baby whining to the LNS, again. You get what you give, Brian. "
Brian wrote on Nov 15, 2009 12:04 PM:
I don't feel I have as much elbo room as I used to. This does compromise my freedoms. "
rantraves wrote on Nov 15, 2009 10:59 AM:
Brian wrote on Nov 15, 2009 10:49 AM:
it was the dentist who wrote the Magna Carta while he was drilling on your teeth. :) "
danielh wrote on Nov 15, 2009 10:26 AM:
Brian wrote on Nov 15, 2009 7:09 AM:
It should be obvious even to you that there is a difference between political and medical documents in this regard.
-Oh he does. You're just trying to distract us from the fact that Obama is the one who doesn't see them as different. Nice try, though. "
Leonard wrote on Nov 15, 2009 4:04 AM:
" sven31: On the element of time, I think it is even worthwhile to discuss elements of 1215: the Magna Carta.
It should be obvious even to you that there is a difference between political and medical documents in this regard.
Do you want to have your sore tooth treated by a dentist who was trained in 1215? "
danielh wrote on Nov 14, 2009 11:08 PM:
Do you wish to toss out the document because it is old and out-dated.
Ron Paul sent out a newsletter quoting a congressman who stated in closed chambers that the constitution is old and out-dated.
Which do you believe? Ron Paul, or that the constitution should be tossed because it is old? "
danielh wrote on Nov 14, 2009 10:45 PM:
danielh wrote on Nov 14, 2009 10:44 PM:
danielh wrote on Nov 14, 2009 10:40 PM:
It is about the fraud of business control over medicine.
In this sense, medicine is more of a fraud today than it was in 1970.
President Obama's health care plan is a business deal. There isn't anything medical about it.
This is what the letter is about.
Fraud, fraud, fraud.
If you want to know about cancer medicine, the laetrile treatment is an excellent plan. The disease of cancer hasn't changed in 40 years either. "
danielh wrote on Nov 14, 2009 10:37 PM:
in 40 years, cartels haven't changed.
Since 1970, the cartels that were identified in Griffin's books are just as much powerful today, or more powerful, as they were back then. "
danielh wrote on Nov 14, 2009 10:35 PM:
The 1970's book gives a history lesson that goes back to about the turn of the century, and it shows how the Rockefeller dynasty grew and became the monster that it was at the time of publication.
The book is just as much valid today as it was in the 1970's.
Something pretty wild is Mike's referenc to the youtube video, and it made reference to Kenneth Galbraith, who made some statements about Report from Iron Mountain.
2-years ago, Leonard celebrated the antique age of this book, but it, too, is just as much valid today as it was 40 years ago. "
danielh wrote on Nov 14, 2009 10:30 PM:
Today, and numerous times in the past, you use references that are controlled by the fox.
In your refernces, the fox will always be innocent, no matter what the crime. "
mike wrote on Nov 14, 2009 9:00 PM:
or here's a good cartoon
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhqO9sj0als "
sven31 wrote on Nov 14, 2009 7:41 PM:
Some things have changed in 40 years. One would think medicine would to. "
sven31 wrote on Nov 14, 2009 7:32 PM:
Leonard wrote on Nov 14, 2009 7:19 PM:
" Leonard: I did not apologize to you.
I misread your post. My apologies.
What did you apologize to Lodian for? "
danielh wrote on Nov 14, 2009 6:08 PM:
Leonard wrote on Nov 14, 2009 5:00 PM:
danielh wrote on Nov 14, 2009 3:37 PM:
In my mind, nothing worse than dishonor.
If someone offers, at least say no.
Dishonor? OK. fair game. "
Leonard wrote on Nov 14, 2009 3:24 PM:
" Leonard - Brian - Lodian.
Triplets.
LOL!!!
That would make us the world's most dysfunctional family. "
Lodian wrote on Nov 14, 2009 1:57 PM:
Lodian wrote on Nov 14, 2009 1:55 PM:
danielh: You may be right. I pretty much skip over a lot of what you wrote these days. "
Lodian wrote on Nov 14, 2009 1:49 PM:
Lodian wrote on Nov 14, 2009 1:49 PM:
danielh wrote on Nov 14, 2009 12:22 PM:
Triplets. "
danielh wrote on Nov 14, 2009 12:21 PM:
The reference to the blue pill might be a little bit too complicated for people in here to understand.
Lodian: I can't imagine that you didn't read my response in the other column. "
Leonard wrote on Nov 14, 2009 9:58 AM:
What explanation is that, Leonard? Is this all it really is? I doubt Jerome has any more influence on the LNS that you or I
Well Brian, that is probably because you have not been privy to the behind the scenes stuff that I have been privy to. Jrk has gone after me as well, but I have been more successful in defending my posts than others, most likely because I am more cautious in what I post.
The man is a hypocrite. He professes to defend Free Speech while he actively works to destroy it. If you love Freedom, you will join me in demanding that his attempts at censorship be reversed. "
Leonard wrote on Nov 14, 2009 9:54 AM:
" " You're crazy, I'll pray for you, but, first I'll mock was my example of your hypocrisy.
Actually, I said that Dan was crazy and that I would pray for Brian (which I do).
As it happens, I also pray for Dan because I really do think he has a serious problem and needs help. When you have been here a while longer, I think you will probably come to agree with me.
In the mean time, the charge that praying for people with problems makes you a hypocrite is yours to make but realize that in doing so you are indicting hundreds of millions of Christians around the world. "
Brian wrote on Nov 14, 2009 7:44 AM:
" OK Brian, let me be frank. I don't like the way that Jerome professes to be a champion of Free Speech and then uses his connections at the LNS to get posts he doesn't like deleted.
What explanation is that, Leonard? Is this all it really is? I doubt Jerome has any more influence on the LNS that you or I. He sure wouldn't be leaving so many of your atrocious posts posts undeleted. He'd be the first to tell the LNS to delete them because he realizes how embarrassing your posts are for you. "
mike wrote on Nov 14, 2009 6:59 AM:
" Mike: I've never seen you in here before. What motivates you?
According to Leonard, it is to help with my low self esteem.
reminds me of the time I went to the Shrink....The psychiatrist asked me a few questions, took some notes then sat thinking in silence for a few minutes with a puzzled look on his face.
Suddenly, he looked up with an expression of delight and said, "Um, I think your problem is low self-esteem. It is very common among losers." "
mike wrote on Nov 14, 2009 6:26 AM:
your response is typical here for you, in any other reasonably respectful discourse it assuredly could be seen as atypical/spineless. "
Leonard wrote on Nov 14, 2009 5:31 AM:
" Well leonardo if you won't accept my explanation of why I consider you a hypocrite,
What explanation is that, Mike? You have made an accusation and now you refuse to back it up with any evidence or even an explanation of your reasoning.
In many quarters, that would be seen as evidence that your charges are baseless. Is it possible that you are just insulting me to make yourself feel better somehow? "
Lodian wrote on Nov 13, 2009 11:18 PM:
Lodian wrote on Nov 13, 2009 11:15 PM:
danielh: Might you know this from personal experience in your own facility? "
danielh wrote on Nov 13, 2009 10:22 PM:
danielh wrote on Nov 13, 2009 10:21 PM:
I have human instinct not to attempt councelling with thorizine patients in a mental health care facility, yet I bother to tell Leonard what his condition is.
In a mental facility, I would expect many of the residents will even say that there is nothing wrong with themselves, but if any of them are given an opportunity to speak, they will not hesitate to criticize the people in their environment. "
mike wrote on Nov 13, 2009 9:48 PM:
Leonard wrote on Nov 13, 2009 7:27 PM:
mike wrote on Nov 13, 2009 7:23 PM:
Leonard wrote on Nov 13, 2009 6:00 PM:
Leonard wrote on Nov 13, 2009 1:04 PM:
Leonard wrote on Nov 13, 2009 11:43 AM:
" hypocrisy ? go home and look in the mirror.
Well Mike, I'm on the road today, so why don't you tell me what you think I am being hypocritical about? "
mike wrote on Nov 13, 2009 10:21 AM:
Leonard wrote on Nov 13, 2009 9:29 AM:
Brian wrote on Nov 13, 2009 6:24 AM:
Leonard wrote on Nov 12, 2009 7:52 PM:
Let me just leave you with this. You are the only person who can make a change in your life. You can make it better or worse, the choice is yours.
How about giving better a chance?
Peace.
-LP "
Leonard wrote on Nov 12, 2009 7:48 PM:
" I don't know how any publisher can make any money with you editing their books.
Brian, you have no idea what I do, in spite of my repeated attempts to explain it to you.
I am not an editor. "
Leonard wrote on Nov 12, 2009 7:47 PM:
" And your explanation why you take jabs at Jerome is because he deserves it?
When (specifically) have I ever threatened Jerome with violence or used obscenity in a message to him? "
Brian wrote on Nov 12, 2009 7:47 PM:
I guess there's always a market for trashy and low rate books in the loss leader category. "
Brian wrote on Nov 12, 2009 7:44 PM:
His outstanding letters only make you look stupid trying to invalidate him.
What, you don't have anything better to do than than pick on a disabled veteran
with outstanding writing skills because you couldn't write as good as him in a million years? Your reputation as a bully precedes you. "
Leonard wrote on Nov 12, 2009 7:33 PM:
I know you're always trying to invalidate people
Brian, only you can invalidate yourself.
You have a record here that everyone knows about. You can't change the past, all you can do is try to behave better in the future. "
Brian wrote on Nov 12, 2009 7:27 PM:
So, I am curious, do you now deny ever saying that Lodian should be *&^%$ slapped? "
-Figurative and literal are DIFFERENT
Mr. Pone. But if this is how you want to play then I don't really know if YOU
wouldn't literally &^%$ slap a woman either. "
Brian wrote on Nov 12, 2009 7:17 PM:
" You are aware, are you not, that while the LNS may delete your offensive comments from the publicly displayed comments, they retain copies of the original comments on their servers? "
-Yep I'm aware. And they had to get a larger external hard drive to store all of you offensive comments. Please Leonard, is this really the most important issue at hand? I know you're always trying to invalidate people. Is this all you think about? "
Leonard wrote on Nov 12, 2009 7:12 PM:
Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Nov 12, 2009 7:12 PM:
Heheh... "
Leonard wrote on Nov 12, 2009 7:10 PM:
-Watch it Mr., I never threatened her with physical violence. Yeah, you always talk a lot of long s%$t. You're just a chump.
Chuckle.... I guess your not going to deny the part about spouting obscenities.
So, I am curious, do you now deny ever saying that Lodian should be *&^%$ slapped? "
Brian wrote on Nov 12, 2009 7:02 PM:
Perhaps something that involved you putting an end to your practice of swearing at her and threatening her with physical violence?
-Watch it Mr., I never threatened her with physical violence. Yeah, you always talk a lot of long s%$t. You're just a chump. "
Leonard wrote on Nov 12, 2009 6:49 PM:
" An open letter to Rich Hanner:
I have politely asked Lodian to refrain from calling me a drunk or implying it.
Perhaps you have a better way of addressing this troubled person.
Perhaps something that involved you putting an end to your practice of swearing at her and threatening her with physical violence?
Frankly, I thought Lodian was being kind when she attributed your behavior to blotto style drunkenness, since the obvious alternative is that you are consciously acting like a deranged stalker. "
Brian wrote on Nov 12, 2009 6:43 PM:
I have politely asked Lodian to refrain from calling me a drunk or implying it.
Perhaps you have a better way of addressing this troubled person. "
Brian wrote on Nov 12, 2009 6:40 PM:
" Brian: If you don't want everyone to know your personal issues (ie; drinking till you get hammered... yes you said it) then please do not post it on a public forum on the internet.
-I'd like to know where I said this. "
Brian wrote on Nov 12, 2009 6:39 PM:
-Chuckle,
Dan, you need to get out more. They haven't even began to construct nanorobots yet. "
Brian wrote on Nov 12, 2009 6:35 PM:
" Brian: If size and money are what matter when you put things into your body, how about if you inject yourself with some HIV, which are smaller than a dust mite, and they make up a multi-billion dollar industry?
-I'm not a massocist Dan. Perhaps you do need to follow your doctors advice
and stick to a consistent regime of lithium. "
danielh wrote on Nov 12, 2009 6:29 PM:
How about that?
Morgellons - great.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcL8HvA7sME&feature=related "
danielh wrote on Nov 12, 2009 4:57 PM:
7:48 - 8:10 AM "
danielh wrote on Nov 12, 2009 4:53 PM:
Lodian wrote on Nov 12, 2009 10:09 AM:
Brian wrote on Nov 12, 2009 8:10 AM:
Brian wrote on Nov 12, 2009 7:48 AM:
A game of quarters might be more up Brian's alley.
-Lodian,
Whether you believe it or not, I never was a heavy drinker. A game of non-alcoholic quarters would be more up my alley now. It is only because I chose to stop any drinking not as a result of
abuse. I never really liked drinking anyway. Now can we close your story on me that you like to advance that I am an alcoholic? It doesn't have a speck of truth to it. Have a nice day.:) "
Brian wrote on Nov 12, 2009 7:40 AM:
" Brian: i do not condone nanotechnology in any way.
How would you like to have little mechanical robots going around inside your body? "
-Chuckle.
They are smaller than a hair on a dust mite. This 50 billion dollar industry
will catapult to a trillion dollar industry in less than 10 years. So much for my belief that even YOU would see this opportunity, and many other innovations to come, to revitalize the economy. "
Lodian wrote on Nov 12, 2009 12:02 AM:
" Brian, if you don't value the opinion of either the medical or the scientific community, how do you suggest we determine the efficacy of medical treatments?
A coin toss perhaps?"
-------------
A game of quarters might be more up Brian's alley. "
danielh wrote on Nov 11, 2009 10:52 PM:
How would you like to have little mechanical robots going around inside your body? "
danielh wrote on Nov 11, 2009 10:05 AM:
Leonard wrote on Nov 11, 2009 8:11 AM:
Until Dan receives the treatment he so desperately needs, real communication will probably remain impossible. For the time being, all we can do is encourage him to seek help. "
Leonard wrote on Nov 11, 2009 8:08 AM:
A coin toss perhaps? "
sven31 wrote on Nov 11, 2009 8:07 AM:
I am hoping the little blue pill is valium, 10 mg. and that daniel has an ample supply when the demons come in the form of government agents who, he thinks, are monitoring his communications. Go check some old posts. He actually said this.
danielH:
I save some of your most memorial posts so I can go back and read them for laughs. NO ONE can top yours for the raw, brainwashed, gab you submit on a regular basis.
The LNS has had a number of letter writers over the years who have given us all a wonderful and hearty laugh each morning. A couple are (by initials only): A. D. (still posting), and my favorite (until you): A. B.(she was one of yours always on the government conspiracies). Most of call(ed) them things like "crackpots". Daniel, you're a crackpot, and this is the role you fill. Almost no one (except budding crackpots) puts any faith in what you say. You're a joke. Your info is a joke. You are a ... Crackpot. "
Brian wrote on Nov 11, 2009 7:57 AM:
Brian wrote on Nov 11, 2009 7:56 AM:
So many of the medicines now are derived
from plants and herbs. I'm not going to draw a conclusion that something dervived from apricot pits constitutes the doctor as a quack just because some other doctors don't agree with him or her. They used to call homeopaths quacks. It's interesting how homeopathic medicine is becoming more and more mainstream, though. "
Leonard wrote on Nov 11, 2009 6:13 AM:
Eating apricot pits, on the other hand, is 1970s quackery that has been repudiated by every reputable doctor on the planet.
Surely, even you can tell the difference.
As for the blue pill Dan continuously references, I suspect that it is, in fact, lithium. "
Brian wrote on Nov 11, 2009 6:01 AM:
You no longer have to compromise with tiny images on a small screen or carry around a heavy screen to get a true large-screen experience. Kopin's Digital iVision technology offers mobile users Big Pictures in a compact package.
Digital iVision technology compresses full-screen images into tiny microdisplays. The images are then enlarged using optical elements that enable the eyes to perceive a much larger image - typically bigger than the equivalent of a 30-inch TV.
-This is scary stuff. No longer science fiction. "
Brian wrote on Nov 11, 2009 5:33 AM:
In cancer treatment, one application involves gold nanoshells: gold-coated glass spheres no more than 100 nanometers in diameter. These nanoshells enter tumors by slipping through tiny gaps in blood vessels that feed the malignancy. Once enough nanoshells accumulate in the tumor, scientists shine a near-infrared laser through the skin, heating up the gold particles and burning away the cancer. This technique, developed at the University of Texas Health Science Center, has worked in animal experiments and is about to be used in humans. "
Brian wrote on Nov 11, 2009 5:04 AM:
" danielh wrote on Nov 10, 2009 7:48 PM:
Who's crazy?
You are Dan. Get help. "
-Always the Naysayers Dan.
When it becomes mainstream for people to be able get genes turned on or turned off
to prevent ilnesses and extend life, mark my word, the likes of Leonard will be first in line. "
Brian wrote on Nov 11, 2009 4:57 AM:
Thanks for the good letter. This book below should be of immense interest to you. The authors were on the McGlaughlin show on PBS this morning.
I'm excited about biotechnology and nanotechnology.
http://www.fantastic-voyage.net/Chapter1.htm
Fantastic Voyage: Ray Kurzweil and Terry
Grossman M.D.
We are now in the early stages of a profound revolution in which we are indeed shrinking our technology down to the molecular level. We actually are developing blood cell–size submarines called nanobots (robots whose key features are measured in nanometers, or billionths of a meter) to be sent into the human body on vital health missions. Although we won’t literally be shrinking ourselves to ride inside these nanobots, as in Asimov’s imagined tale (at least not in the next several decades), we will be able to place ourselves in virtual-reality environments and see out of the eyes of these tiny robots. We will be able to control their movements as if we were inside, just as soldiers today remotely control intelligent weapons systems.
Immortality Is within Our Grasp "
mike wrote on Nov 11, 2009 1:42 AM:
" GREAT letter, Daniel and thanks for a wonderful lead!
I've read Griffin's "Creature from Jekyll Island" and he hit on ALL the points (read: problems) that we now face.
Didn't know about "World Without Cancer" by him; I will definitely check it out. "
me 2
It's been some years since I've read it, but I know it was a lot like Bill Brysons' book "A Short History" as in it was a book people who read it needed to share it with someone.
I think with both books {and this blog}, they illustrate how so many wrong conclusions can so easily be accepted because of popular premises.
Usually if the premise is wrong so is the conclusion. "
danielh wrote on Nov 10, 2009 10:32 PM:
Leonard wrote on Nov 10, 2009 8:40 PM:
Who's crazy?
You are Dan. Get help. "
danielh wrote on Nov 10, 2009 7:51 PM:
If I were talking trash, then it would not be possible for me to have one.
did you see the amount?
Even Aimee, who I suspect is a lawyer, could not follow me straight, and acknowledge understanding, but she could not deny that I hold a security interest. "
danielh wrote on Nov 10, 2009 7:48 PM:
If anyone is crazy, I suggest you have paintakingly catalogued a series of my statements for future use.
Who's crazy?
Who has the power here? Thanks.
If you investigate these statements and attempt to locate proof of their non-existence, then you would have my attention. "
danielh wrote on Nov 10, 2009 7:42 PM:
Duh....
The matrix symbolizes human behavior including US citizens, when they are confronted with the truth.
human comfort prefers the ostrich reaction to engage in fantasy, rather than be honest. "
danielh wrote on Nov 10, 2009 7:40 PM:
You said people are dying, and I not only told you that you are wrong, but I didn't even bother challenging you to find the sources of your propogandized opinion.
I said that I have witnessed that lives were saved, and I don't need a newspaper or an intelligent blogger to tell me so.
Deal with it. "
danielh wrote on Nov 10, 2009 7:38 PM:
Are you Leonard with a new userID?
When someone witnesses a miracle, it does not mean that the person died. "
sven31 wrote on Nov 10, 2009 6:49 PM:
You forgot "I witnessed several people going through the clinic.".. and attended their funerals a couple of weeks later.
"Do you even know what is the jurisdiction in which you voted?"... and here we go again on your crazy idea about courts and the type of flag they have.
And the blue pill thing. I didn't watch the MATRIX. I understand it is a MOVIE. It didn't really happen daniel. Are you able to separate fantasy and reality?
Let's take a quick look back to a younger danielH - "" Safeway: When you put down your footprint, you agreed to all the implications of your being chattel property of the US. The birth certificate is a warehouse receipt. It describes the date of delivery into the US (your birth date), the manufacturer (your mother).
The birth certificate is worth money, because your life's earnings are hypothecated and converted into a security that is sold on the international market. Hence your application for live birth was routed through Department of Commerce."
Does this man (danielH) sound sane? "
danielh wrote on Nov 10, 2009 4:42 PM:
You wrote, "next time you have a close family member dying of cancer, try it. See if it works."
If a family member is dying of cancer, the choice of medical treatment is theirs, not mine. "
danielh wrote on Nov 10, 2009 4:38 PM:
You wrote: "Do they vote? No? Then I recommend they not complain."
Do you even know what is the jurisdiction in which you voted?
Just who are they?
What is the land that they hold?
The answers to these questions can be found in the law books of the UNITED STATES government.
You voted and you don't even understand the answer to this question, except you swallowed the blue pill and you kept talking. "
danielh wrote on Nov 10, 2009 4:35 PM:
Instead, you wrote: "danielH should have chosen something more realistic."
I am blessed as a witness to laetrile several laetrile miracles, and I became privately acquainted with one such laetrile who was an apprentice to Dr. Krebbs.
I witnessed several people going through the clinic.
Try again. "
danielh wrote on Nov 10, 2009 4:31 PM:
You wrote: “upset government control over the pharmacuetical industry and government agencies associated with health."
Truth is: pharmaceutical industries and government enjoy a cartel relationship with one-another.
In the end: pharmaceutical industries are not run by government.
vice-versa: government is run by the people who own the pharmaceutical industries.
If you managed to get ahold of a jbs publication on laetrile and pharmaceuticals, it was this cartel arrangement that they campaigned to educate the public, in vain. "
sven31 wrote on Nov 10, 2009 1:23 PM:
I am neither scared nor a steady watcher of MSM. I would wish you and those who think like you the best of luck. I have strong doubts that positions you and others who feel the same way will gain much support, at least among voters and that's what really counts. I hear people complain all the time about stuff you may support, complain about the issues I feel are important. Do they vote? No? Then I recommend they not complain. You probably feel the same way I would hope. You are at least doing something you feel is positive. I feel I am contributing in a positive manner.
But, the laetrile issue is probably not the vehicle to generate interest or a call to action. danielH should have chosen something more realistic. "
wtf wrote on Nov 10, 2009 1:01 PM:
"....or a sad ending."
ROFLMAO!!! Wishful thinking on your part, sven31! No, we're here to stay and we ARE getting stronger and more popular everyday! Keep burying your head in the sand and spewing the MSM propaganda! Shows how scared your crew really is. LOL! "
sven31 wrote on Nov 10, 2009 11:51 AM:
....or a sad ending. "
sven31 wrote on Nov 10, 2009 11:50 AM:
I didn't say cartels don't exist or that I believe they don't exist. They do exist. What's the point?
I'm only saying that danielH is prone to seeing an evil intent in every action by government (apparently including health care now) or anytime a government glances in a particular direction.
The main point I say though, is that Laetrile, B17, what ever you want to call it is useluss in treating cancer of any sort and that people who promote it (and I'm not saying danielH is, he's not big enough to gain anything from it)are aware it is usless and are giving people hope where there is no hope while robbing them at the same time.
If you believe this is not true, particularly regarding laetrile, next time you have a close family member dying of cancer, try it. See if it works. "
wtf wrote on Nov 10, 2009 11:22 AM:
"I will say, though, that this casts the claims regarding Dr. Paul's supposed medical expertise in a new light."
Uh, Leonard? It appears you know absolutely nothing of Dr. Ron Paul's philosophy. Dr. Paul is for freedom of choice...even if the choice is a wrong one. Meaning: You are free to choose and if you choose incorrectly, you suffer the consequences; therefore, one should investigate ALL avenues of something and then decide knowing, in advance, that one takes responsibility for one's own choices...one does NOT need a nanny government to decide for one.
SVEN31 wrote on Nov 9, 2009 at 4:05 PM:
"WTF: A couple of elected officials in not a movement. Just luck."
Nice try, sven31....but this is only the beginning! LOL! "
Brian wrote on Nov 10, 2009 8:06 AM:
Brian wrote on Nov 10, 2009 8:04 AM:
" That's true. Its also true that the Duke of Windsor negotiated with the Nazi's in an attempt to regain the throne of England in exchange for collaboration in the event of a German invasion.
What either of these facts has to do with crack pot cancer "cures" is beyond me. "
-it's beyond me that you would bring up the Duke of Windsor thing as if his little collaboration is as significant as the collaboration of Hitler and Husseini. I doubt the Dukes attempt at sel-preservation had little impact on Hitler's decison to exterminate the Jews as Husseini's advice to expand it to the Middle East. "
Ivan Dixon wrote on Nov 10, 2009 7:35 AM:
His naivete really is charming. "
Ivan Dixon wrote on Nov 10, 2009 7:32 AM:
What either of these facts has to do with crack pot cancer "cures" is beyond me. "
Brian wrote on Nov 10, 2009 6:49 AM:
In 1941, Haj Amin al-Husseini fled to Germany and met with Adolf Hitler, Heinrich Himmler, Joachim Von Ribbentrop and other Nazi leaders. He wanted to persuade them to extend the Nazis’ anti-Jewish program to the Arab world.
-Sven, Since we're on the subject of denial. Is this something else
you don't think existed? "
Brian wrote on Nov 10, 2009 6:38 AM:
Can you give us an example of why you don't think Cartels exist? "
SVEN31 wrote on Nov 10, 2009 6:10 AM:
And oh look!! the proof is in a book that is no longer published or can be found anywhere. You're forced to rely on an abstract of the book that may or may not exist. Maybe you should stop getting your news off youtube and the 80th page of a google search (@ 100 citations per page). "
SVEN31 wrote on Nov 10, 2009 6:03 AM:
Gee, you shold have paid more attention in your meetings. The facts are:JBS promoted Laetrile in a poorly concieved effort to upset government control over the pharmacuetical industry and government agencies associated with health. "
Leonard wrote on Nov 10, 2009 4:42 AM:
I for one enjoy reading Danial H's theories.
I am sure you do. "
mike wrote on Nov 10, 2009 1:39 AM:
I for one enjoy reading Danial H's theories. "
Leonard wrote on Nov 9, 2009 8:30 PM:
Be careful, you might end up writing like that all the time and then only one of us will be able to understand you
All of my other attempts to communicate with Danny have failed so I figured I might as well try his own language. "
danielh wrote on Nov 9, 2009 7:48 PM:
http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4531177/Ambruster-Treason_s_Peace-I.G._Farben_s_Hidden_Power_in_US "
danielh wrote on Nov 9, 2009 7:44 PM:
If you want to criticize the laetrile treatment or JBS, at least get your facts straight and know what you are talking about. "
danielh wrote on Nov 9, 2009 7:37 PM:
Did you watch The Matrix?
The Matrix showed that when US citizens are confronted by the truth, they usually for the ostrich response, preferring a world of propoganda, fantasy and illusion.
Refresher: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Matrix. "
danielh wrote on Nov 9, 2009 7:29 PM:
Howard Ambruster, "Treason's Peace - German Dyes and American Dupes - I.G. Farben's Hidden Power Inside America, (1947).
Ambruster was a chemical engineer exposed to the rise to power of the German "dye company" I.G. Farben, which was probably more diabolical and responsible for two world wars than Hitler.
Hillarious: they infiltrated America's dye industry with a network of bribery and scandal. Plant managers even negotiated the amount of their bribes by comparative marketing analysis.
During WW-I, a situation occurred where the Germans who were at war with America had to be creative to deliver in American, according to agreement on their bribes. A German submarine surfaced on the shore of the Carolinas during the war to deliver.
I.G. Farben formed monopolistic or cartel agreements with over 180 companies which we know well in American. These include Ford Motor Company, General Motors, Bayer Aspirin, Dow Chemical, DuPont, Procter and Gamble, and a long list of pharmaceuticals, which makes the topic of this letter. "
sven31 wrote on Nov 9, 2009 6:10 PM:
Be careful, you might end up writing like that all the time and then only one of us will be able to understand you. And you know who that is.
Until later, quizzes most cunning panama!! "
sven31 wrote on Nov 9, 2009 6:07 PM:
I like the JBS-Vitamin B17 thing.
Just when you think it might be out of our system, another gem pops up. I forgot how deeply rooted in American history an evil philanthropist like Rockefeller can be.
Leave it to the JBS to fill the void when your mind starts to wander.
This is what I have learned from JBS (including some of their cell meetings):
SOMEONE IS BEHIND EVERYTHING
SOMEONE DID SOMETHING
SOMEONE IS PLANNING SOMETHING
EVERYONE IS BEHIND SOMEONE
EVERYONE IS PLANNING SOMETHING
EVERYTHING ABOUT SOMETHING, PLANNED OR DONE BY SOMEONE IS ONLY UNCOVERED BY THE VIGILANTES AT JBS AND THEY ARE THE ONLY ONES WHO CAN TELL US IN BOOKS NO ONE READS, VIDEOS NO ONE WANTS TO WATCH, PRESENTATIONS NO ONE WANTS TO HEAR (except by bobble headed JBS members who absorb it all like a sponge)
Great Planning!! "
wtf wrote on Nov 9, 2009 4:53 PM:
wtf wrote on Nov 9, 2009 4:52 PM:
Leonard wrote on Nov 9, 2009 4:45 PM:
Leonard wrote on Nov 9, 2009 4:18 PM:
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SVEN31 wrote on Nov 9, 2009 4:11 PM:
"Not to mention the fact that Dr. Ron Paul's son, Dr. Rand Paul, leads GOP annointed candidate and Kentucky Secretary of State Trey Grayson as nominee for the Senate in the 2010 Kentucky race."
Wow! "
SVEN31 wrote on Nov 9, 2009 4:10 PM:
I assume that "If a person was condemned to die within 30-days, means a person with 30 days to live based on a doctor's judgement, not condemed to die by leathal injection, gas, or hanging right?
The only time someone should try laetrile is when they are definitly terminal, about to die, family comming from all over for the funeral. It will not reverse the course of the disease, they'll just die with $10,000 less and false hopes. "
SVEN31 wrote on Nov 9, 2009 4:05 PM:
A couple of elected officials in not a movement. Just luck. "
danielh wrote on Nov 9, 2009 3:50 PM:
danielh wrote on Nov 9, 2009 3:48 PM:
In the 1970's, the propoganda campaign to discredit laetrile was one of the highest priorities.
When I became acquainted with laetrile in the 1990's, it was possible to eradicate a case of cancer for about $7,000, and that is for a well-advanced case.
If a person was condemned to die within 30-days, I would say that one extra week of treatment would be required, making about $10,000 to restore a terminally-ill cancer patient to health.
By comparison, the medical establishment could harvest on the average $100,000 per patient, and many of these patients would die. "
wtf wrote on Nov 9, 2009 3:19 PM:
As our membership continues to grow, more and more elected officials are finding that liberty and freedom are a compelling message, and that is exactly what the people want.
The following candidates, confirmed supporters of Campaign for Liberty's Mission Statement, won state and local seats in the November 3 elections:
http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog.php?view=27853
And check out this video:
John Dennis talking about Ron Paul, Health Care on Russia Today
http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog.php?view=27861
Not to mention the fact that Dr. Ron Paul's son, Dr. Rand Paul, leads GOP annointed candidate and Kentucky Secretary of State Trey Grayson as nominee for the Senate in the 2010 Kentucky race.
http://race42008.com/2009/11/03/hope-change-rand-paul/
Fringe, sven31? Keep dreamin'....that old propaganda isn't working anymore. LOL! "
sven31 wrote on Nov 9, 2009 2:51 PM:
"As one doctor friend told me—"If that stuff (meaning laetrile ) was any good, someone would have won the Nobel Prize by now." I hope the Maryland Senate and General Assembly will not vote to legalize laetrile. It would be a move that would only raise false hopes, cause cancer victims to divert their savings to a worthless will-o-the-wisp; and worst of all, might cause unnecessary loss of life, as cancer patients forego the conventional, proven treatments of chemotherapy, radiation and other therapies, in favor of the unproven, unverified substance, laetrile."
Again some what dated (1978), but the point is this: what benefit can a fringe group be expected to recieve from promoting a treatment that every normal educated person, doctors included, and from a historical stand point has been proven useless and potentially dangerous?
Clearly, they prefer to put lives in danger in order to bolster their claim that somehow government's refusal to certify quakery is evidence that they do not belong in the health care business. "
sven31 wrote on Nov 9, 2009 2:42 PM:
Testimony against Legalization of Amygdalin or Laetrile
Before the Senate Committee on Economic Affairs
Annapolis Maryland, February 9, 1978
Robert E. Jones
"Much of the literature and propaganda, peddled by the Birch Society and the laetrile fronts draws a picture of a government conspiracy, aided and abetted by the American Cancer Society and the American Medical Association to deny cancer victims a substance which would help them. I refer you to the xerox copies of "LAETRILE: Freedom of Choice in Cancer Therapy," published by American Opinion, January 1974 issue, the John Birch Society publication which was freely available at the Clinica Cydel."
A little dated to be sure, but if you were around in late 70's or early 80's you would remember the hype and hysteria surrounding this topic. "
sven31 wrote on Nov 9, 2009 1:08 PM:
The statement "Griffin was guest speaker with Ron Paul in Mountain View during Paul's presidential campaign." should tell you a lot about Ron Paul and the company he keeps. Hopefully, this may reveal the just how out there Ron Paul is and this should certainly cement his reputation as a member of the lunatic fringe, and kill any presidential aspirations he may have. "
wtf wrote on Nov 9, 2009 12:16 PM:
I've read Griffin's "Creature from Jekyll Island" and he hit on ALL the points (read: problems) that we now face.
Didn't know about "World Without Cancer" by him; will definitely check it out. "
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I hope everyone found that informative as the original letter. I've based my response on my own original thoughts, therefore no references are necessary. Have a nice day. "
sven31 wrote on Nov 9, 2009 6:37 AM:
Leonard wrote on Nov 9, 2009 3:58 AM:
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