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Gated communities in Lodi
Building barriers, not bridges?
When Alicia Robinson and her husband retired to Lodi six years ago, the main requirement when searching for a house was to find one in a gated community.
Moving from Southern California, the couple had never lived in a gated community, but they wanted added security, she said.
Since moving into River Pointe on Turner Road, Robinson said she has noticed there is less traffic, the neighborhood is more controlled, and it is safer for kids to play.
"We all know each other. If someone is gone, we always know someone is gone," she said.
Future gated communities would be prohibited in the proposed General Plan, the city's planning bible, for at least the next two decades. The city is in the process of receiving feedback on the document, which will guide growth.
Gated communities bring up several issues about the definition of community. Some who live in them discuss the unparalleled security and kinship with neighbors, while others worry they create barriers within a city and restrict interaction with a wide range of people.
The city is looking to eliminate the gated communities because they divide neighborhoods and prevent walkable and bikeable communities, said Rad Bartlam, community development director, at a past Planning Commission meeting.
He also said that they give a false sense of security because there is still crime in the neighborhoods.
The Planning Commission is currently reviewing the General Plan, and commissioner Dave Kirsten said everyone he has talked to has concerns about the look and feel of a gated community.
"They feel like it's a black hole in terms of an exclusive area they don't have access to," he said. "They are not inviting."
Similarly, Commissioner Bill Cummins said it is important for neighborhoods to flow together and connect.
"It kind of makes them an island to themselves when we want to have a more open feel to development," Cummins said.
But Robinson said she does not know why the city would deprive developers of creating gated communities if there are people who want to live there.
"There are plenty of open spaces to ride a bike and have freedom," she said. "We should all have a choice. If you don't want to live here, move somewhere else."
Having people roam through neighborhoods is exactly what Janay Rusk would like to prevent. She has lived 17 years in the Rivergate area of Lodi. Her section of Rivergate is not gated but is very close to River Pointe. When Rusk moved in, she said there was less crime, so she was not concerned about whether the neighborhood had a gate. But if she were to move now, she would try to find a gated community.
Lately, she has noticed people driving through and circling the neighborhood, and she said they must be mapping out potential places to rob.
"I would like to get a gate here to keep out riff raff. ... Gated communities are there because people feel more comfortable."
General Plan at a glance
The issue of gated communities is just one of the many planning issues addressed in the city's General Plan, which city staff is looking for public feedback on.To download a copy of the plan, go to www.lodi.gov/community_development/ general_plan/index.htm.
The next opportunity to offer feedback on the plan will be at the Planning Commission meeting at 7 p.m., Nov. 11, Carnegie Forum, 305 W. Pine St., Lodi.
You can also offer feedback by sending a letter to Rad Bartlam, Community Development Department, City of Lodi, P.O. Box 3006, Lodi, CA 95241.
You can also e-mail the Community Development Department at kchadwick@lodi.gov or call them at 333-6711.
When Wine and Roses started adding homes about four years ago, owner Russ Munson said they never thought twice about making it a gated community.
"It's something we wanted to do, to have a nice entrance to control it. It maintains the whole integrity," he said.
He believes there is less crime in gated neighborhoods and does not believe the city should prevent property owners from creating more.
"Eliminating them is just a subjective decision," Munson said. "If people want to have a gated community, they should be able to. It's personal property rights."
Still, there are concerns that gates create barriers, not bridges.
By banning any more gated communities, Lodi is taking an active role in encouraging its residents to have more interaction with a wide variety of people, said Tom Sander, the executive director of The Saguaro Seminar. Since 1995, the seminar has discussed ways to keep Americans civically engaged in their communities. Sander helped with Harvard sociologist Robert Pullman's groundbreaking book on social connectivity, "Bowling Alone."
Sander said there are two main types of social capital that people receive from everyday interactions with people. Social capital is made up of the connections people make to social networks, which benefit the individual by providing support or tangible things like a job.
The first kind, bonding social capital, is often formed with people who are in some way similar. The second type, bridging capital, is interactions with a wide range of people who might be of a different ethnicity, race or socio-economic status, Sander said.
When people are in gated communities, they have less of a chance to meet people who are different from them, especially socio-economically, he said.
Meeting a wide variety of people is important because it dispels stereotypes and fosters community, Sander said. This translates into a better city because when people feel like they belong to a community, they are more likely to volunteer, join organizations or vote to pass a bond issue for schools.
"The extent that you can, you don't want to engineer a city that is making it harder for bridging social capital to form," Sander said.
Contact reporter Maggie Creamer at maggiec@lodinews.com. Read her blog at www.lodinews.com/blogs/citybuzz.

Reader Feedback
Gator wrote on Nov 8, 2009 11:26 AM:
Investment housing you would have bought in Eagle not Meridian. Love
your Homi-fied Racist remark Why don’t you say what you mean, no guts??
You didn’t mention Caldwell which is where you will find most of the trouble makers. Kind of like east side Lodi.. You see edumacation I live here you don’t. I know what we have you don’t . would I move? Absolutely not…You profess to be an expert on various subjects Education, Real Estate Etc. To me your as FOS as the Christmas Goose… "
edumacation wrote on Nov 7, 2009 8:38 PM:
The distance between Nampa and Boise is about the same as between Lodi and Valley Springs. Meridian is 1/2 way. Plus Lakeview is a great club. "
Lodian wrote on Nov 6, 2009 10:04 AM:
Lodian wrote on Nov 6, 2009 10:04 AM:
Gator wrote on Nov 6, 2009 7:11 AM:
the subject at hand, Gated communities. Right ?? Now along comes the S*** disturbers with the same old sad song.. Your way off subject and very
boring… "
Lodian wrote on Nov 5, 2009 1:54 PM:
Brian: What comments do you think are of a questionable or offensive nature? This ought to be good. "
Lodian wrote on Nov 5, 2009 1:47 PM:
1. I don't respect you or your ideas
2. I find you very annoying
3. I don't care for you
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I'm shocked! LOL! "
sparky595 wrote on Nov 5, 2009 12:34 PM:
Aimee wrote on Nov 5, 2009 9:25 AM:
" Aimee: Since you are into being so righteous then why aren't you all over the acampo murder article/blog going after those bloggers? (rhetorical)
It's really quite simple:
1. I don't respect you or your ideas
2. I find you very annoying
3. I don't care for you
It's nothing you haven't heard before. "
Lodian wrote on Nov 4, 2009 10:57 PM:
Brian: You've posted your full name and where you live. Don't blame others for your bad choices. "
Lodian wrote on Nov 4, 2009 10:51 PM:
Brian: Your the very last person that should talk about being questionable and offensive here. "
Lodian wrote on Nov 4, 2009 10:45 PM:
to me..."
I can see what you're saying though there are still a lot of wide open spaces left in California. Unfortunately, they just cost more than Idaho land. "
Brian wrote on Nov 4, 2009 7:39 PM:
P.S. FYI, if you haven't noticed, we're all anonymous bloggers.
-And it may have stayed that way had you and your ilk not blurted out a lot of posters first and last names. Still in denial, madamme? "
Brian wrote on Nov 4, 2009 7:36 PM:
You keep trying to pull things out of thin air and one would think you could do better since you're making it up as you go along.
-I see Lodian is still in denial that any of her comments are of questionable or offensive nature.
I fully acknowledge that I have digressed on occasion. I'll pray that Lodian overcomes her denial. "
Gator wrote on Nov 4, 2009 4:28 PM:
It just the same.. After living here for 4 + years California is claustrophobic
to me… "
Lodian wrote on Nov 4, 2009 1:11 PM:
http://www.lodinews.com/articles/2009/11/02/news/1_homicide_091102.txt
. "
Lodian wrote on Nov 4, 2009 12:57 PM:
Not the same thing, Aimee. First of all, I have no idea if the adult Halloween trick-or-treaters are parents or not. That's another lie you're slipping in there, Aimee (again). Get it right. And secondly, since when is it rude to close my door and turn off my porch light on Halloween night? I give out more candy then you've probably ever seen in your life, as do my neighbors. Is that rude? Do you feel left out since I didn't answer the door when you rang? LOL! BTW, you can choose NOT to be here, read or blog and I won't think it rude of you to do so. Feel free.
P.S. FYI, if you haven't noticed, we're all anonymous bloggers. "
Lodian wrote on Nov 4, 2009 12:45 PM:
Awesome! Then post it! And in context. I fully stand behind my comment. No problem.
Now, since you brought it up, obviously you are supportive of the blogger that is proud he thinks/votes with his junk. No surprise there, Aimee. And, yes, he's an "ignoramus" for thinking with his junk. "
Lodian wrote on Nov 4, 2009 12:37 PM:
Observer wrote on Nov 4, 2009 10:20 AM:
Aimee wrote on Nov 4, 2009 10:07 AM:
If anyone else would like me to back up what I said, I will be glad to. Otherwise, I will try and leave this article on topic as much as possible. "
Lodian wrote on Nov 4, 2009 9:53 AM:
Lodian wrote on Nov 4, 2009 9:43 AM:
If that's your opinion then why the heck do you keep addressing me? LOL!
It's no surprise that you can't produce a single example of what you are so incensed about here. No surprise at all.
You keep trying to pull things out of thin air and one would think you could do better since you're making it up as you go along.
It seems you've got some personal issues to work through, aimee. You're obsessed or something. When you get thicker skin and a sense of humor I'd be glad to converse with you. Until then... Good luck as you sulk in the corner. "
Aimee wrote on Nov 4, 2009 9:15 AM:
And I refuse to junk up the comments on the board with a re-cap of your previous rude comments. I've done it once before to showcase your blogging skills. I doubt anyone wants to see more of the same, since they experience it on a daily basis. "
Gator wrote on Nov 4, 2009 8:22 AM:
this is much ado about nothing and a little on the petty side. As for a false
sense of security, couldn’t be farther from the truth. People look out for
their neighbors and you know when something just isn’t right…As for the
Kids they manage just fine. Sort of comes from playing outside all the time.
As for traffic no one speeds through here and traffic is very minimal. Would
I do it again?? Maybe yes maybe no it would depend on the house, besides
I’m not moving….. "
dyan wrote on Nov 4, 2009 7:56 AM:
Lodian wrote on Nov 3, 2009 10:55 PM:
Lodian wrote on Nov 3, 2009 10:53 PM:
Gator: I really think there is a false sense of security in such a gated community. You say that the gates are open all day, so how does that keep the kids safer while they play in the streets? Just trying to understand why you like a gated community. "
Lodian wrote on Nov 3, 2009 7:37 PM:
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Aimee, if I said the sky was blue you'd disagree with me. And when did I ever ask for your "abject politeness"? LOL!
Next... "
Lodian wrote on Nov 3, 2009 7:33 PM:
"Lodian, the difference between you and me is that I would find it in extrememly poor taste to tell someone who was simply citing their opinion about something that they are "ignorant" or an "idiot".
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aimee: Careful, your grudge is showing. Well, you must think all comments on these blogs are brilliant! lol! Point out where I said someone was ignorant or an idiot and you disagreed with me. Please be specific and with full context so we can all voice an opinion upon factual information and so we can check up on your honesty. Please include time/date stamp. That would be great. Thanks.
Oh, and there are too many differences between us then can be counted here. Thank goodness! "
Lodian wrote on Nov 3, 2009 7:19 PM:
Gator wrote on Nov 3, 2009 6:45 PM:
12 leans against it. The Contractor failed to pay his subs. We looked at several and came up on one being built looked good!! I called my realtor
And he came out saw the house and said there is one just like it in this
gated community by the same builder. The difference was the lake the stream and all the landscaping was done.. Turn Key.. Put in an offer and got
It. The gated part just came with it.. Wasn’t looking for gated at all. The gates are open all day and electronic at night. For kids it can’t be beat they
have the run of the place, the only time there needs to be a adult with them is when they want to go to the lake. My daughter lives on lakeshore not gated But the CCR’s are ridicules.. "
Leonard wrote on Nov 3, 2009 5:10 PM:
Aimee wrote on Nov 3, 2009 4:16 PM:
Fine. Well, it's safe to assume that you reserve name calling for this site (love the "ignoramous" comment on the other article), safe behind a curtain of anonymity. It says a lot about your character. "
Observer wrote on Nov 3, 2009 2:50 PM:
Lodian wrote on Nov 3, 2009 12:54 PM:
Lodian wrote on Nov 3, 2009 12:51 PM:
Do you think your old home on Nevins is in a bad neigborhood? "
Gator wrote on Nov 3, 2009 12:50 PM:
for a wireless company. You drive every single street in a grid for a specific
Site. The things I’ve seen would make your skin crawl. And yes even in Lodi.. Basically the things I’ve mentioned tend to be a very low priority for
any city especially now days.. There were 2 places in Sacramento that had
Landlords that lived in other states and refused to comply with any city
Notifications. The City went in and tore down the houses cleaned the property and billed the owners.. But back to my reasons. Safe for my grand kids, little traffic, more real value than like homes out side . We have a lake
we don’t have to worry about and a stream behind my place full of Bass and ducks.. Works for me… "
Gator wrote on Nov 3, 2009 12:32 PM:
Fathers pull the neighborhood kids around on inner tubes with their jeeps
do that in California some one would call CPS…Kids need to be kids off
the couch forget the video games and go play… "
Lodian wrote on Nov 3, 2009 12:20 PM:
Lodian wrote on Nov 3, 2009 12:16 PM:
Lodian wrote on Nov 3, 2009 12:08 PM:
journey wrote on Nov 3, 2009 9:38 AM:
Gator wrote on Nov 3, 2009 8:19 AM:
one moved next door and proceeded to slob out the place, 2 or 3 cars at least
one that doesn’t run. Nocks 20-30% of the value of your home into the toilet. Gee I almost forgot at least 1 or 2 pit bulls for a status symbol and
with a chain collar for added effect. You just might like that. I don’t and I don’t intend to put up with trash like that.. Love your last remark. Life is
Full of choices. I chose to work hard and have a life, I suggest you do the
Same.. Jealousy really doesn’t become you… "
ElBombero wrote on Nov 3, 2009 2:44 AM:
Gator wrote on Nov 2, 2009 7:52 PM:
to let their houses go to hell, yards overgrown, overhauling cars in the
drive way. It’s called lack of self respect and no pride in ownership.
So after I work my A** off, have a nice home that “WE” take pride in
and consider it an investment and a place we intend to stay. Hell no I
don’t want any SOB like that moving in next Door. That answer your
Question lodian?? Hicks your name says it all… "
LodiFreeThinker wrote on Nov 2, 2009 6:12 PM:
Also, I don't like to live with elitist jerks, and I think HOAs are stupid. So I won't live in a gated community.
That being said. Lodi shouldn't ban gated communities. This is a property rights issue. People can do what they want with their own property. "
dyan wrote on Nov 2, 2009 4:19 PM:
dyan wrote on Nov 2, 2009 4:18 PM:
gray cloud wrote on Nov 2, 2009 3:27 PM:
Aimee wrote on Nov 2, 2009 3:23 PM:
And by the way, simply cutting and pasting my posts aren't going to win any arguments for you, rather it shows a lack of ready response. I think you can do better than that. "
Aimee wrote on Nov 2, 2009 3:18 PM:
To each his own, but not for me. "
Aimee wrote on Nov 2, 2009 3:17 PM:
Sad you don't remember our conversation where I asked you if you would say the same things on here to a person, face to face, that the other would find offensive and you said "YES", you wouldn't be scared to voice your opinion. You were very forceful with your response, assuring all who read that you didn't have a problem with this. "
gray cloud wrote on Nov 2, 2009 3:16 PM:
Observer wrote on Nov 2, 2009 2:05 PM:
Lodian wrote on Nov 2, 2009 1:22 PM:
Aimee wrote on Nov 2, 2009 11:48 AM:
And this is coming from a person who says she has no problem telling people to their face what she thinks, no matter how offensive her words might be but expects abject politeness from others. "
Aimee wrote on Nov 2, 2009 11:26 AM:
You certainly wouldn't catch me doing either in a million years."
Leonard, I concur heartily with your statement. "
LodiJoe wrote on Nov 2, 2009 11:09 AM:
Observer wrote on Nov 2, 2009 9:30 AM:
Leonard wrote on Nov 2, 2009 8:26 AM:
" In general, I don't like gated communities. I get tired of having to
get a gate code or check in with the
gate guard. Most of the gated communites where I do service calls give me the impression of intolerance
and at any given time, a Burgermeister
is going to come around the corner with a list of the newest rules of the goulag.
If you and I both agree about this, we must be right. "
hicksvilianfromlodi wrote on Nov 2, 2009 12:04 AM:
hicksvilianfromlodi wrote on Nov 2, 2009 12:03 AM:
hicksvilianfromlodi wrote on Nov 1, 2009 11:58 PM:
STOP RUNNING FROM SOCIETY AND EVERYDAY ENCOUNTERS!!!!! "
hicksvilianfromlodi wrote on Nov 1, 2009 11:53 PM:
Lodian wrote on Nov 1, 2009 11:41 PM:
" I was against Gated-Communities until last night. Watching the Van-Loads of Diversity coming into our neighbourhood making it uncomfortable to take your own kids out, because of the mobs of people made me wish we had a gate. "
I don't mind all of the people coming into the neighborhood for halloween if they'd all just remian polite and respectful. "
Lodian wrote on Nov 1, 2009 11:29 PM:
Gator: Why do you desire a gated community in Nampa Idaho? "
Lodian wrote on Nov 1, 2009 11:26 PM:
edumacation wrote on Nov 1, 2009 9:25 PM:
Fine business, but you can descriminate, if its your own property. Strip Malls descriminate all the time... "...No loitering, no panhandling, shoes and shirts required. Restaurant menus say..." Minimum order at tables is...? Or NO SUBSITUTIONS". Descrimination is part of the human condition. What the nanny state wants to do is determine HOW and Who should descriminate. One of the posters who was upset about these comments actually stated, they (trick or treaters) must be polite..?
Where and how? Who selected whom to decide personal decisions.
If you haven't taken a bath in a week, don't bother to apply for employment for my firm. Is this descrimination? Yes, do I want to scare away my customers with stink? NO! This (bathless lifestyle) is common in Lodi among some groups. "
KenH wrote on Nov 1, 2009 9:13 PM:
Need I remind people that Little Tommy who lives within the gates could become the next kid that pulls a Columbine style attack, versus little Johnny who lives in the back alley could become the next president of the US?
Stop judging people by how they look, where they live, or what kinds of cars they drive. If you feel comfortable living in your gated community, so be it, you don't have to discriminate against people who don't. "
edumacation wrote on Nov 1, 2009 7:43 PM:
The Plan: Build a development of magnificently overpriced "estates" and tell buyers they are in an exclusive community. When you are ready to pounce, you build an "affordable housing community nearby". What does that attract, no money down flippers, the jobless, welfare queens, and the secret weapon? Group homes (mini jails for juvenile criminals) . Those residents closest to these affordable houses quickly get tired of watching the menagerie of life forms and sell quickly, especially if they have lots of equity. They will sell to ANYONE--including three families! The hood is now gone. "
wdbdgdad wrote on Nov 1, 2009 5:54 PM:
Gator wrote on Nov 1, 2009 5:24 PM:
Rusty *** wandering around my house that’s just the way it is….There are
No cars on blocks rusting away, no oil stained driveways people take pride
In their homes and yards. Last night the gates were kept open and kids from
All over. black, Brown white what ever came and I would say 95% of
All homes had their lights on. We gave out around 5 big sacks of candy. My
Guess around 200 kids hit our door…It was fun for all… "
edumacation wrote on Nov 1, 2009 5:19 PM:
Question: How do you determine...ONLY that they are polite? If you don't understand their language, mannerisms or custom. I saw a few "masks" last night that had nothing to do with Halloween. Burqas are not Halloween masks, yet in MY culture it is rude to hide your face, look away and grunt. Especially if I KNOW that they don't celebrate the holiday. They just want to bring shopping bags and load up with candy. So I gave those folks a selection of DIVERSE treats including packets of Jello, fried Pork rinds, and for the Vegans - dried peas ,lentils, seeds and nuts. Oh yes---you should be proud of the diversity in Lodi. Didn't the FBI find a terrorist cell (convicts went to PRISON) here in 2005? Oh well, thats diversity. "
edumacation wrote on Nov 1, 2009 4:40 PM:
Educator---Many drove miles to "Trick or treat" looking for next weeks meals. One small child walked up---the mother standing some distance away exhorted "...mumble mumble unknown language ... She have three sister and two brother...They candy...!
Say what---where do YOU live?
There was a swarm of them getting out of vans and trucks. None of these people live within two miles of here.
My own take. Gated communities should always be an option for safe streets.
I also recommend NO SIDEWALKS. Sidewalks are used frequently by the derelicts and malcontents. Can you imagine driving several miles, just to get out a walk a few blocks on a sidewalk? I have NEVER seen anyone walking on a sidewalk out here. If I do, they are suspicious and I call 911. If you want to live here, bring money first. Look at the 17 mile road near Carmel. The access fee keeps out the Rif Raff and homeless. Imagine a 20 million dollar house, overlooking a "homeless camp" on the 13th green.
No recyclable cans here---GO! "
gatemom wrote on Nov 1, 2009 3:46 PM:
Gator wrote on Nov 1, 2009 9:08 AM:
For lawns and gardens are paid for by the same. People from other neighborhoods walk through all day long because of the lack of traffic.
All houses are on 1 acre sized lots and with no privacy fences. Children
Can play in the street because of little traffic and people here watch out
For one another. I spent 17 years living in Lodi and the lack of children
Playing out side was very noticeable and sad.. I will take where I live and
The sound of happy kids playing outside… "
jramagic wrote on Nov 1, 2009 8:42 AM:
Its not unfair...its the way it goes. Two miles north, the situation is entirely different- an enclave of less fortunate folks in a growing community
where, well, I wouldn't want to live.
Forget those evening walks in the dark.
But by comparison- prices are dirt cheap there. I think this is the same situation out here in the valley, indeed, everywhere. Its not rocket science. "
Brian wrote on Nov 1, 2009 8:13 AM:
Observer wrote on Nov 1, 2009 7:34 AM:
wdbdgdad wrote on Nov 1, 2009 6:59 AM:
Brian wrote on Nov 1, 2009 6:55 AM:
get a gate code or check in with the
gate guard. Most of the gated communites where I do service calls give me the impression of intolerance
and at any given time, a Burgermeister
is going to come around the corner with a list of the newest rules of the goulag. "
educator wrote on Nov 1, 2009 5:51 AM:
KenH wrote on Nov 1, 2009 3:13 AM:
Leonard wrote on Oct 31, 2009 7:10 PM:
" Leonard, are you talking about the "freedom" to choose whether to live in a gated community or not?
No, disgusting as I may find them personally, I do think people have the right to live where they choose. I would liken it to a drunks right to die face down in a pool of their own vomit, if they so choose.
You certainly wouldn't catch me doing either in a million years. "
Observer wrote on Oct 31, 2009 6:47 PM:
Brian wrote on Oct 31, 2009 6:42 PM:
dogs4you wrote on Oct 31, 2009 6:32 PM:
Leonard wrote on Oct 31, 2009 5:20 PM:
" I would move into a gated community in a heartbeat if I didn't have so much invested in my "planned community" home that was supposed to eventually be a gated community
That sounds like trading one hell for another. "
Leonard wrote on Oct 31, 2009 5:17 PM:
Leonard wrote on Oct 31, 2009 5:17 PM:
Robb wrote on Oct 31, 2009 4:09 PM:
Yea... "
Robb wrote on Oct 31, 2009 4:06 PM:
How spiritual... "
Whoa Nellie! wrote on Oct 31, 2009 2:50 PM:
Let developers build gated communities, it's a supply & demand world.
In the mean time I'm going to start selling those "Grandma Carts" to my neighbors so they can walk to the grocery store. "
dyan wrote on Oct 31, 2009 2:45 PM:
wtf wrote on Oct 31, 2009 12:13 PM:
But, like I said, if those who want to live in gated communities choose to do so; go for it....but the 'security' features in any true community are all pretty much what you describe i.e., who belongs there and who doesn't. "
wtf wrote on Oct 31, 2009 12:13 PM:
I live on the East Side (oh no!) and, oddly enough, what you have outline also applies. Believe me, I know who "should be" on our street and who shouldn't. I also have contact with LPD any time there is suspicious activity...and the guy I usually speak to, follows up. "
Observer wrote on Oct 31, 2009 11:53 AM:
journey wrote on Oct 31, 2009 11:47 AM:
journey wrote on Oct 31, 2009 11:42 AM:
wtf wrote on Oct 31, 2009 11:16 AM:
A thought to ponder: Gates keep the "riff-raff" out; but they also keep people in....meaning they can become potential prisons....like shooting fish in a barrel. LOL! "
CaptainGort wrote on Oct 31, 2009 10:05 AM:
of just 100 homes surrounded by farmland and water.
The only (and rare) crime we have is from outsiders who sneak in here after dark..auto thefts, burglaries. etc.
I'd love it if the one lonely road that comes in here had a gate and a sentry. When the poop hits the fan in this country someday (an I think it will) you better believe we'll install one! "
CaptainGort wrote on Oct 31, 2009 9:59 AM:
After all- it is theirs- not public property. Other forms of gating already exist. How about "financial" gating?...where only rich people can afford to live? Should the Government force "projects" into places like Belevedere, Tiburon??? So I agree with many other posts- Allow Gating on PRIVATE PROPERTY. "
tosh conn wrote on Oct 31, 2009 9:47 AM:
tosh conn wrote on Oct 31, 2009 9:47 AM:
T & C wrote on Oct 31, 2009 9:44 AM:
Patricia wrote on Oct 31, 2009 9:40 AM:
journey wrote on Oct 31, 2009 9:10 AM:
journey wrote on Oct 31, 2009 9:05 AM:
leah wrote on Oct 31, 2009 8:32 AM:
"When people are in gated communities, they have less of a chance to meet people who are different from them, especially socio-economically, he said."
Duh, that's probably why they live there in the first place. If people want to live in a gated community, get a job that pays enough to live in one. If you can't, then that's a reflection of the choices you made in life. Don't punish those who worked hard to be more fortunate than others. There are enough run down places in Lodi, leave the nice areas as they are!
(And no, I don't live in a gated community) "
Acampo_Mom wrote on Oct 31, 2009 8:10 AM:
I don't live in a gated neighborhood, but would like to. I've had friends that did and always liked the "safe" feeling they gave.
Like Alicia Robinson said...There are plenty of areas for people to walk and bike. What is the point of making a new neighborhood a walking and biking destination??? "
wsdavis wrote on Oct 31, 2009 5:44 AM:
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