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In an interview Thursday, Greg Walther talks about the strange happenings at 420 N. Sacramento St. in Lodi, where his computer repair business is located. (Brian Feulner/News-Sentinel)

When there's something strange ...

Lodi group to investigate reports of ghosts in office building

By Ross Farrow
News-Sentinel Staff Writer
Saturday, October 31, 2009 8:28 AM PDT

An office building on North Sacramento Street may be haunted.

Reports have it that strange noises emanate from a men's room in the back recesses of the building, believed to have been built in the 1920s. But no one's in the men's room.

"If I'm here late at night — between 9 and 10 — we hear stuff," said Adelina Hernandez, who owns Azteca Payroll and Bookkeeping. She does payroll and income tax returns for farm labor contractors.

Hernandez's daughter, Patricia Hernandez, 23, says she'll hear noises from the men's room while she's across the hall in the ladies' room, and she knows that no one is in the building except her and her mother.

Reports by the Hernandezes and another tenant, Gregory Walther, have enticed the Lodi Paranormal and Historic Anomaly Society to lead an investigation to see if anything strange is going on.

And what better time than the night before Halloween?

Legend has it that the first attempted alien abduction actually happened in Lodi, way back in 1896, according to Presler's friend, Casey Voorheis, who has an article from an old Stockton publication on his restaurant wall describing the incident.

Adelina and Patricia Hernandez aren't the only ones who have heard unusual noises in the building, which has a narrow hallway with an estimated 70-feet long wall that adds to the spooky ambiance filled with framed photographs of Lodi from the late 19th and early 20th century.

Greg Walther has a computer company down the hall from Hernandez. He also works late at night at times, because that's sometimes when he gets inspired to design graphics and Web sites.



Some of the office tenants at 420 N. Sacramento St. say thay have heard footsteps and other strange noises coming from the men's room — and this is when the men's room is unoccupied. (Brian Feulner/News-Sentinel)


When Walther is alone in the building — generally between 10 p.m. and midnight — he'll also hear funny noises from the men's room. Another spooky happening: His doorbell will buzz at various intervals. It's only supposed to sound when someone is moving nearby. The catch is that nobody's there.

"Some nights it will happen once every 10 minutes," Walther said. "I know there's no one else there. I never get a false alarm during the day."

And a few months ago, something really spooky happened ...

"I was here late at night, and I dozed off a little bit," Walther said. "I woke up to a face that yelled, "Wake up! Wake up! Wake up!"

The Hernandezes work well into the evening during tax season and to do payroll work during the different harvest seasons in the Lodi area.

"We'd hear creaking noises, or sometimes it would be, like, footsteps at the end of the hall," Patricia Hernandez said.

"We wouldn't even go to the bathroom at night," she said.

Neither would her two sons, Miguel, 21, and Antonio, 18. They were 17 and 14, respectively, at the time.

"The last four years, the boys wouldn't come in here at night," Adelina Hernandez said.

Could be even spookier on Halloween.

Contact reporter Ross Farrow at rossf@lodinews.com.



What will they find tonight?



Tom Presler, who founded the Lodi Paranormal and Historic Anomaly Society in June, will lead an investigation of an old office building, once known as Super Mold Co., beginning at about 10 p.m. today at 420 N. Sacramento St.

Although Presler will lead the investigation, he said he will leave the details to a more experienced crew of five or six from Stockton.

The crew will film the building's interior with still and video cameras, digital sound recorders and EMF meters to detect fluctuations in electro-magnetic energy, Presler said.

They'll even try to elicit a response by asking questions. Usually, any responses will be in the form of whispers, Presler said, but sometimes you'll hear specific answers.

"This isn't an exact science," he said. "Do you want to call it a ghost, an anomaly or something you can't explain?"

The public is invited as long as they don't interfere with the investigation.

Findings won't be determined tonight. Investigators will study the evidence they collect and reveal their findings at a future paranormal society meeting.

Meetings are held at 7 p.m. each Wednesday at Pizza World, 651 N. Cherokee Lane, Lodi.

News-Sentinel staff



Old photos of Lodi hang on the walls at 420 N. Sacramento St., an office complex where some of the tenants often report strange noises and happenings. (Brian Feulner/News-Sentinel)

Reader Feedback

TLPresler wrote on Nov 5, 2009 1:27 PM:

" FreeThinker,

You're obviously very impassioned about this subject and I completely welcome your skepticism. It's a vital part of any investigation, as the purpose really is to rule things out. I would love to have you attend a meeting and meet you in person. Anyone who is as interested in this field as you seem to be is someone I'd definitely like to meet! "

LodiFreeThinker wrote on Nov 2, 2009 8:38 AM:

" EMF readings do not prove the existence of the supernatural. Again, the earth is bombarded with electro magnetic fields both natural and man made. Unless you are in a lab, inside a Faraday cage... you will pick up EMF. Reading the strength of a magnetic field with a meter, is science. Reporting that field strength to mean there are ghosts, is pseudo-science.

Shadows, orbs, grainy pics... turn the lights on and get some better equipment. People have a biological imperative to see things in the darkness that aren't there. Its a survival instinct. It doesn't mean ghosts.

Finally, about your "controlled environment". Its not controlled. You're letting in unknown heat, radio, magnetic and noise interference all over the place. You can't control for all of these things inside of supposedly haunted properties. You use these scientific terms, but you don't seem to know what they mean. "

LodiFreeThinker wrote on Nov 2, 2009 8:38 AM:

" TLPresler wrote:
"..for instance, you have an EVP.... AND an EMF reading... AND a photograph depicting an unexplainable orb or light in darkness all occurring at the Exact Same Time... in a Controlled Environment... it's not "normal." It would be "paranormal." "

Ok, lets see where do I start. First off, when something is unexplainable, it doesn't mean its supernatural. It just means we don't have an explanation... yet. In your example though, these things are not unexplainable, they are explainable.

EVP is not science. I get interference on my radio, computer speakers, cell phone... all the time. It doesn't mean there are ghosts. There are literally billions of intersecting magnetic, radio, and microwave signals both natural and man-made bombarding the earth at any second. Picking up some whispers, or fuzzy static that sounds like voices simply means you need better shielding on your equipment.

continued "

LodiFreeThinker wrote on Nov 2, 2009 8:17 AM:

" wtf wrote on Oct 31, 2009 11:22 AM:
LodiFreeThinker it seems to me you are unaware of the cutting edge in quantum physics which actually **confirms** paranormal and psychic activity rather than disprove it. It's really quite fascinating when quantum physicists are confirming what metaphysicians have known for centuries. "

You are going to need to provide a citation for this dubious claim, because you sound like your pulling it right out of your ass. "

Rhodie v2.0 wrote on Nov 1, 2009 12:42 PM:

" Read this article and thought of this posting.


http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2006/10/31/ghosts_hum.html?category=animals&guid=20061031090000

Haven't read the study but some conclussions seem to be only considered from one side, like the walking through walls arguement. The researcher seems to be only able to think os the physical now, not the spiritual use-to-be (forgotten doors being walled up but the "ghosts" still remember the door being there). "

wtf wrote on Oct 31, 2009 11:23 AM:

" And commentator, regarding your post on Oct 30, 2009 at 3:53 PM, I totally agree! My thought exactly! "

wtf wrote on Oct 31, 2009 11:22 AM:

" Sorry, dogs, but Randi is a bought and paid for fraud.

edumacation....good one! LOL!

LodiFreeThinker it seems to me you are unaware of the cutting edge in quantum physics which actually **confirms** paranormal and psychic activity rather than disprove it. It's really quite fascinating when quantum physicists are confirming what metaphysicians have known for centuries. "

edumacation wrote on Oct 30, 2009 9:45 PM:

" WTF- Maybe that explains the ancestry of the GOB (Good 'ol BoyZ)?? So on Halloween, when you see all those scary ghouls, maybe they aren't kids trick or treating? They could be the undead ancestors of the GOB! bahahaha "

dogs4you wrote on Oct 30, 2009 5:11 PM:

" A noted debunker by the name of James Randi could explain the sounds and anything else that goes on in a haunted hours. He`s taken on bigger names and debunked them all, including bending a spoon with the power of the mind. "

commentator wrote on Oct 30, 2009 3:53 PM:

" Perhaps Lodifreethinker should re-think their name? "

commentator wrote on Oct 30, 2009 3:53 PM:

" Boy, doesn't someone really no how to ruin a terrific story. When researching the paranormal, there usually aren't complete scientific facts, thus the unexplainable occurs. I recommend that if anyone doesn't like Mr. Presler's comments, that they choose another article to read, really! C'mon now. Happy Halloween! "

TLPresler wrote on Oct 30, 2009 3:19 PM:

" In the LNS article, my quotes were accurate but not complete...

Let me explain. There's a phenomenon called EVP, which is an acronym for "Electronic Voice Phenomenon." Quite simply put, if you were to set up an audio recorder to record and there is NOTHING that is heard or is present that will make a noise... and this can be verified... and when you play back the recording, there are sounds of voices and whispers that cannot be explained, this is what is known as "EVP." Some people believe that these voices are the sounds ghosts, or spirits or resonate energy left over from the once living.

I'm the LAST person who will tell you that it's definitely a ghost. BUT... if, for instance, you have an EVP.... AND an EMF reading... AND a photograph depicting an unexplainable orb or light in darkness all occurring at the Exact Same Time... in a Controlled Environment... it's not "normal." It would be "paranormal." "

LodiFreeThinker wrote on Oct 30, 2009 2:00 PM:

" dogs, I didn't say Lodi used to be a burial ground. I was quoting Tom Presler. "

LodiFreeThinker wrote on Oct 30, 2009 1:58 PM:

" From the article you are quoted:
"Usually, any responses will be in the form of whispers, Presler said, but sometimes you'll hear specific answers."

Were you being skeptical when you heard whispers or specific answers? If so, who did you think those answers were coming from?

Did you think it was spirits? Did you have evidence that is was spirits, or did you assume that since the question was asked to the spirits, then the answer must have come from them?

Or did the question even come up, since it is as likely that you didn't hear anything?

You might say it is disrespectful of others beliefs to hold their accounts to an empirical standard, but my beliefs require it of me. "

tlpresler wrote on Oct 30, 2009 1:38 PM:

" What it comes down to is an attempt to substantiate, somehow, occurances and anomalies which seem to defy conventional explaination. I will always be honest and never claim an absolute.

Topics of mysteries, legends and paranormal anomalies have always sparked my personal interest, and we have found that there are so many in our community who share an interest. Some truly believe.

I, for one, would never be disrespectful of anyone's belief system. Some people believe in "Ghosts and Spirits" and some believe in "Angels" or other more traditional, even religious, notions that defy conventionalism. As far as what I believe? I'm a natural skeptic by nature... but I'd like to believe. Which is why we quest for confirmation. "

gray cloud wrote on Oct 30, 2009 1:37 PM:

" Noise from bathroom could be just "wind... "

dogs4you wrote on Oct 30, 2009 1:08 PM:

" Free Thinker says that part of Lodi used to be a Native American Burial ground, perhaps sounds from a Sweat Lodge gone wrong. Gray Cloud might know about this. I`ll send him a smoke single.

Noise in the bathroom, call an out of work plumber. "

LodiFreeThinker wrote on Oct 30, 2009 12:48 PM:

" TLPresler wrote "Tonight, we will use scientific instruments to see if we can capture evidence for scrutiny."

Right... I've seen these 'scientific' devices. EMF readers and sound recorders that capture fuzzy readings that you can pretend mean something...

Dowsing Rods that you can walk around in circles with and pretend their pointing at something...

And as far as hearing whispers in response to asking questions... you don't. You are either hearing whispers because someone is whispering, or you've got a screw loose. "

LodiFreeThinker wrote on Oct 30, 2009 12:42 PM:

" TLPresler wrote: "I cannot confirm this as fact, but so many people have told me that at least a portion of Lodi was previously, so long ago, Native American burial land."

When you can't confirm something as a fact, and "so many people have told you"... thats called hearsay or rumor. And its useless when conducting scientific inquiry. Quit watching so many scary movies. "

wtf wrote on Oct 30, 2009 12:12 PM:

" From the article: "Legend has it that the first attempted alien abduction actually happened in Lodi, way back in 1896, according to Presler's friend, Casey Voorheis, who has an article from an old Stockton publication on his restaurant wall describing the incident."

I remember coming across that article a few years ago; it's now online. Here's a link to a site called UFO Casebook and...what do you know?

Number one on the list is the Lodi abduction case from 1896. If you go to the link below, then click on the link to the Lodi case, the story comes up.

http://www.ufocasebook.com/aliencontactcases.html

Mr. Presler, it would be very interesting if you could find out more about Lodi being a Native American burial site...and Rich, make sure the LNS follows up! ;) "

richardh wrote on Oct 30, 2009 11:44 AM:

" NOTE FROM EDITOR RICH HANNER: Great comments. Some funny, some informative. Thanks, Mr. Presler, for your contributions. Fascinating topic. "

TLPresler wrote on Oct 30, 2009 10:07 AM:

" I cannot confirm this as fact, but so many people have told me that at least a portion of Lodi was previously, so long ago, Native American burial land.

When I was younger, a physician in Lodi who had a hobby and interest in researching very early area history always talked about how some of the community was built on Indian Burial Grounds. The doctor has since passed away, and I'm not sure what became of his formal research... However, still today, I hear from so many people about Lodi's Native American history... so the fact that Mr. Walther has said this "apparition" looked like an Indian certainly seems to raise an eyebrow just a bit. "

wtf wrote on Oct 30, 2009 9:44 AM:

" I agree about the animals...I always trust my animals reactions to things.

Great story for Halloween LNS! Please make sure to do a follow-up when the Society's results are in....it will be interesting reading.

Regarding the American Indian apparition...anyone know if the building is built on an old burial ground? "

commentator wrote on Oct 30, 2009 9:34 AM:

" Yes, animals are highly sensitive to the paranormal. My dog at one home I lived in as a young girl, would growl at foot steps, but yet no one was there, or at least no one visible. "

commentator wrote on Oct 30, 2009 9:32 AM:

" I totally believe this place is haunted. Can't wait to hear the results. This is an excellent Halloween Story! Thanks LNS! "

TLPresler wrote on Oct 30, 2009 9:09 AM:

" Point of clarification though... about the restroom. lol.
Although I recognize the humor regarding "activity in the bathroom," it's a fact that, unfortunately morbid, the restroom area IS one of the absolutely most common places where people die. Just a thought... "

TLPresler wrote on Oct 30, 2009 9:07 AM:

" I agree it's amusing to focus on activity coming from the bathroom... and although that does seem to be an area where many anomalies are witnessed, there was much more reported than was written in the paper. Ms. Hernandez also reported seeing a "shadow figure" pass by. Mr. Walther's pet dog would follow his owner down the hall... but then suddenly stop, "see something," and refuse to go further. And the figure that Mr. Walther saw, he said, looked Native American.

I'm never prepared to say "ghost" very easily, even if there IS evidence. Tonight, we will use scientific instruments to see if we can capture evidence for scrutiny. If we capture activity that can't be explained or isn't normal... it's the definition of Paranormal Activity. "

Brian wrote on Oct 30, 2009 8:58 AM:

" Always those ghosts pessimists. We live in a world of spirits and ghosts all around us. Some choose to remain silent, others want their presence to be known. "

95242 wrote on Oct 30, 2009 4:48 AM:

" Maybe there is somebody in the bathroom. How would anyone know for sure, since everybody is afraid to check and see? I don't believe in ghosts. But I would be worried about the noises, because I would be thinking someone broke in the building! Perfect story for Halloween though! "

Mad Dog wrote on Oct 30, 2009 4:38 AM:

" Strange noises coming from the bathroom? Ummm next time skip the taco salad! "

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