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I predict: A conservative tide will rise in 2010


Tuesday, October 27, 2009 6:11 AM PDT

When there are more stories than there is time, I transform this space from a one-topic opinion piece into a combo column. Off we go:

Saluting Kyle Coumas, of Lockeford

News broke last Wednesday that U.S. Army Spc. Kyle A. Coumas, of Lockeford, was killed in the line of duty in Afghanistan. I think I speak for all Americans when I say how deeply indebted we are to Mr. Coumas's contribution to our country and to our safety.

Not a day goes by that I don't pray for the men and women of our armed forces. When any of those soldiers lose their life it is not just a tremendous loss to their family, but also a loss to us as a community and a nation.

I'd like to extend a heartfelt thank you to his family for raising such a brave and selfless young man.

Conservatives top political group, poll says

According to a Gallup poll released Monday, more than 40 percent of Americans polled identify themselves as conservatives over any other political ideology. Thirty-six percent described themselves as moderate and only 20 percent identified themselves as liberal.

This info only reinforces the idea that conservatives are indeed America's sleeping giant. Wait until election time next year; you'll see what the giant is capable of.

Republicans still searching for identity

While "conservative" may be what the majority of America identifies itself as, the Republican Party continues to drag its feet and search for meaning behind the elephant.

In the last few surveys I've read, former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee seems to be the only front runner the GOP agrees on the most, with former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney placing second consistently.

Will Huck be exploring the idea of a White House bid in 2012? He stated in a recent interview that he's just fine where he's at.

The search for a soul continues.

2010 and 2012 will change politics

I'm going out on a limb and making a bold prediction that the elections of 2010 and 2012 will change the landscape of politics as we know it. Say goodbye to party loyalty and hello to a whole new idea of "by the people" and "for the people."

Expect more average Joes to take to the campaign trail and challenge incumbents who think they're untouchable. In the coming weeks I'll be interviewing some of these Joe and Jane citizens who want nothing more than to stop corruption and make America great again.

White House vs. Fox News

That more press time, key administration staffers and executive branch resources are being spent battling a news organization than a multibillion-dollar war in Afghanistan where lives are being lost, downright makes me embarrassed as an American.

How mature is this administration to pick on a news network because they don't like what their editorial shows say? The only reason why Fox is as popular as it is is because of their opinion shows.

Ratings will show that the network resonates with more viewers (opinion and unbiased news shows) than that of MSNBC, CNN and HLN combined.

Obama Administration, get over yourself and stop whining. You have the free world to govern — start acting like it.

In defense of Arizona Sherriff Arpaio

Stories continue to come out of Mexican border states and cities where violent and dangerous drug cartels are doing whatever it takes to smuggle narcotics and even people over the border.

While arrests and detainment is up by federal border agents in recent years, millions of illegals continue to flood the United States, undetected and undocumented.

Sheriff Joe Arpaio, of Maricopa County, Ariz., the same guy that brought you pretty pink jumpsuits for inmates and tents in the desert to house them, has always been proactive in identifying, detaining and deporting illegal immigrants in his county. The Department of Homeland Security recently ordered the Sheriff to stop making arrests based on a person's immigration status.

Upholding the law that the federal government doesn't seem capable of doing adequately and getting in trouble for it? That doesn't make sense to me.

"I am the elected sheriff. I don't take orders from the federal government," the Sheriff said when asked his reaction to the DHS's order.

Hear, hear, Sheriff.

Columnist Wade Heath of Lodi is a college student and writer of the WadeWire Blog at wadewire.blogspot.com. He can be reached at reachwade@lycos.com.

Reader Feedback

Vance Buckler wrote on Nov 9, 2009 7:09 AM:

" Rush Limbaugh and Sarah Palin are the only two real American leaders in thos whole country. Teh rest are all libs and lib simps.

I say we throw the Obamination out and make Rush President Palin VP and let O'Reilly run Congress and Praeger run the Senate tomorrow "

sparky595 wrote on Nov 9, 2009 5:51 AM:

" 1 tenth of 1 percent of the American population is only 300,000 listeners. That would be 1.5 million per week. I think he has quite a few more than that. It is somewhere around 20 million per week. "

Gator wrote on Nov 8, 2009 8:57 PM:

" Only one tenth of one percent of the population of the United States listen
to Rush Limbaugh. And that one tenth of one percent is controlling the
Republican Party. Now ain’t that special… When he was on AM radio and
Before he went to Satellite Howard Stern had far better numbers than Rush. "

sam wrote on Nov 8, 2009 7:59 PM:

" Vance, I am a huge Limbaugh fan. He is the greatest entertainer around. He is such a success. When I need a "Hit" I tune in and am never disappointed. But would I follow him? No... kind of like Micky Mouse... another greast entertainer. "

Vance Buckler wrote on Nov 8, 2009 7:12 PM:

" Rush Limbaugh is theb greatest conservatve alive today. He could beat every lib and terrorist lover on these pages with ahlf his brain tied behind his back.

Mega offroading dittos Big Guy, wherever you lead, I will follow. "

sparky595 wrote on Nov 8, 2009 3:31 PM:

" lol! I think my math was off (on the low side) on that last ratio. It's been a long weekend. : ) "

sparky595 wrote on Nov 8, 2009 3:28 PM:

" Leonard wrote:

'To put things in perspective, 22 million people listen to Ol' Oxycontin everyday. That is One Hundred and Five times as many people as voted for Sarah Palin when she was elected governor of Alaska.'

While we're putting everything into perspective, Rush had over 300 million people to choose from to get 22 million, Palin only had 700,000. That is Three Hundred and Five times as many people to draw from. : ) "

sparky595 wrote on Nov 8, 2009 3:22 PM:

" Leonard wrote:

'If Rush Limbaugh (with his 20 million ditto heads) is not a leader in the conservative movement, who is a leader and what makes these individuals more leader like than Rush? '

You enquire as to if he is 'a leader' in the conservative movement as to which I would reply yes he is one. However, in this recent conversation, the questioning about limbaugh was as to whether or not he was 'THE leader' of the conservative movement, to which I would reply no. "

rantraves wrote on Nov 8, 2009 1:32 PM:

" Different media outlets ( ABC NBC CBS... ) can proclaim his leadership; but until he is willing accept said "leadership" then it becomes a moot point. In other words, Rush is saying to those pretenders, " You are not the boss of me... so go on get!" "

Leonard wrote on Nov 8, 2009 10:53 AM:

" To put things in perspective, 22 million people listen to Ol' Oxycontin everyday. That is One Hundred and Five times as many people as voted for Sarah Palin when she was elected governor of Alaska. "

Gator wrote on Nov 8, 2009 10:40 AM:

" Sparky and stan, Rush has been touted as the head of the Conservative wing
Of the Republican party by ABC, CBS and NBC on many occasions. Although Ms. Scozzafava was said to have resigned most outside observers
Say it was a well organized hit job.. You can rant all you want but the Independent voters were the major factor in all the elections on the third of
November… Be it Democrat or Republican with out the independent voter
They will lose. As for Rush and the NFL the owner of the Indianapolis Colts
Said regardless of any remarks he made there is no place for him in the NFL. "

Leonard wrote on Nov 8, 2009 10:13 AM:

" So, I am intrigued by your response to Ivan's question. Perhaps you can elaborate?

If Rush Limbaugh (with his 20 million ditto heads) is not a leader in the conservative movement, who is a leader and what makes these individuals more leader like than Rush? "

rantraves wrote on Nov 8, 2009 8:47 AM:

" Rush started in Sacramento in the 80's during the "Reagan revolution"; I think he went to NY in the late 80's and the rest is history. It is interesting to note that he is losing weight and exercising -- is that for health reasons? or could there be a political element? Clearly he has been very influential throughout his career; however in this day of extreme uncertainty, his ratings are going through the roof. That said, popularity does not necessarily translate into leadership -- I don't know, you figure it out. "

Ivan Dixon wrote on Nov 8, 2009 7:06 AM:

" Mr Sparky, why can't you just answer the question. Is Rush Limbaugh a leader of the conservative movement or isn't he? "

sparky595 wrote on Nov 8, 2009 5:31 AM:

" Ivan, what qualifies one to be the leader of a political party? Rush has a talk show for 3 hours a day and talks about conservatism to millions of listeners a day. Are we to call liberal talk show hosts the leader of their party? "

sparky595 wrote on Nov 8, 2009 5:22 AM:

" Ivan wrote:

'Mr Sparky, are you really trying to argue that Rush Limbaugh is not a leader of the conservative movement?'

Let's first step back and look at the original 'arguement'. Gator originally said:

'Limbaugh is touted as the so-called leader of the conservative party'

To which I asked who touted him. Although Limbaugh may speak to millions of Americans everyday about conservatism, I have yet to see him be labeled 'the leader of the party' by anyone other than liberals. The libs always dismiss him as 'an entertainer'. So which is it? Is he the leader or just an entertainer? I guess it just depends on which label fits best in a liberal's rant. "

Ivan Dixon wrote on Nov 7, 2009 5:40 PM:

" rantraves wrote on Nov 7, 2009 2:26 PM:
" As a matter of fact, I have cut the rug on more than one occasion

Mr Rantraves, are you telling us that you have had an infamous "Brazilian"? "

Ivan Dixon wrote on Nov 7, 2009 5:39 PM:

" Mr Sparky, are you really trying to argue that Rush Limbaugh is not a leader of the conservative movement?

That seems like a little too much to swallow. "

rantraves wrote on Nov 7, 2009 2:26 PM:

" As a matter of fact, I have cut the rug on more than one occasion -- but I digress. It is clear now, that the most liberal candidate (the republican) dropped out to help the 2nd most liberal candidate (the dem). That "call" you refer to? it came from the WH, or Pelosi -- don't kid yourself! "

sparky595 wrote on Nov 7, 2009 2:12 PM:

" Obviously, the republican voters in that district recognized her fraudulent attempt and she dropped like a rock in the polls as a result. "

sparky595 wrote on Nov 7, 2009 2:10 PM:

" Leonard wrote:

'The list of prominent repugs who endorsed here opponent is long and weighty.'

Thank goodness there were many republicans that eventually saw her for what she really was... a liberal trying to run on the republican ticket. "

sparky595 wrote on Nov 7, 2009 2:06 PM:

" Leonard wrote:

'Well, for starters, himself, obviously.

Where have you been for the last 20 years? '


Leonard, show me a quote from limbaugh where he professes himself to be the leader of the republican party. And you said 'for starters'.... OK, show me one more person, since you seem to think this is common knowledge. "

Leonard wrote on Nov 7, 2009 1:57 PM:

" No pun intended there with regard to Ol'Oxycontin. Just caught that after the fact. "

Leonard wrote on Nov 7, 2009 1:57 PM:

" The list of prominent repugs who endorsed here opponent is long and weighty. "

Leonard wrote on Nov 7, 2009 1:55 PM:

" sparky595 wrote on Nov 7, 2009 1:31 PM:

Touted by whom?


Well, for starters, himself, obviously.

Where have you been for the last 20 years? "

sparky595 wrote on Nov 7, 2009 1:39 PM:

" Gator wrote:

'Sparky, don’t kid yourself, the heat was on , the phone calls made and then
she bailed out.. '

Enough of the speculation, and lets take a look at one huge cold hard fact. The polls had Owens at 36 percent of the vote, while Hoffman had 35 percent, and Scozzafava had 20 percent the day she dropped out. The key here is she dropped out because she had zero chance to win and her best bet was to drop and throw all of her liberal support to the democrat. "

sparky595 wrote on Nov 7, 2009 1:31 PM:

" Gator wrote:

'Limbaugh is touted as the so-called leader of the conservative party'

Touted by whom? The only people I hear that from are the democrats. "

Gator wrote on Nov 7, 2009 1:21 PM:

" Sparky, don’t kid yourself, the heat was on , the phone calls made and then
she bailed out.. Just like in the real world when a management level employee left to pursue other interest you know damn well they were fired.
Limbaugh is touted as the so-called leader of the conservative party and
along with Palin they tried their best but second place is the first loser… "

sparky595 wrote on Nov 7, 2009 11:30 AM:

" Maybe I'm wrong, but didn't Newt Gengrich, John Bayner, and the entire GOP party support her campaign? Who stabbed her? "

Leonard wrote on Nov 7, 2009 11:28 AM:

" The fact is that there is a civil war raging between the factions of the GOP.

That congressional seat, held by the party for almost a century, was just another casualty in that war. "

Leonard wrote on Nov 7, 2009 11:26 AM:

" sparky595 wrote on Nov 7, 2009 11:03 AM:

She was losing badly at the end, so she just stabbed the gop in the back and ran.


Fortunately, she was well armed, what with the 30 or 40 daggers that prominent Republicans had already stuck in her back.

You can't spit on a woman, kick her in the teeth and then demand her loyalty. "

sparky595 wrote on Nov 7, 2009 11:03 AM:

" Gator wrote:
'...the Ultra conservative candidate who replaced the moderate who
was unceremoniously removed by her party.'

Scozzafava removed herself about 5 days before the election because she was trailing the other 2 candidates by 20 points each. She had no chance. She wanted to pull out so she could throw her liberal support to the democrat. Pretty sad considering she was supported by a lot of gop dollars and people (most likely republicans) that helped in her campaign.

She was losing badly at the end, so she just stabbed the gop in the back and ran. "

Gator wrote on Nov 7, 2009 9:52 AM:

" Stan I believe you would make bojangles proud the way you tap danced your way out of this. You had Rush Limbaugh and Sara Palin stumping
for the Ultra conservative candidate who replaced the moderate who
was unceremoniously removed by her party. Now explain to me stan just
who tried the hardest to win??? "

rantraves wrote on Nov 7, 2009 6:13 AM:

" No gator I didn't say Hoffman was a "shoe in". What I said was that he was expected to win; the polling the day before indicated as much. The dem machine spent a great deal of time and money in the effort to get the 23rd -- a district of 100,000. I only hope that the dems will be forced to pay as much per vote in the coming elections. It is also my understanding that Hoffman (c) entered the race very late. And is it not true that Obama brought the former republican congressman into his cabinet with intent of moving the 23rd blue. One can not help but notice how much fire power was used to get that seat; they even had the republican candidate -- clearly a lib -- campaigning for the dem. It is interesting to note that Hoffman had a solid lead going in, but ended up losing. Maybe there is more to this than meets the eye, but one thing is certain: the place was crawling with democrats from outside the district -- good luck with strategy in 2010. "

voter wrote on Nov 6, 2009 9:27 PM:

" You made me laugh out loud, Gator. "

Gator wrote on Nov 6, 2009 8:51 PM:

" Stan, I see that Palin and Limbaugh stumping for the ultra Conservative in the 23rd District of New York did absolutely no good what so ever…I
Believe you said he was a shoe in.. Lost in New York and sacked by the
NFL!! Looks like hard times for ol oxycotin… "

rantraves wrote on Nov 5, 2009 10:23 AM:

" If you mean that Virginia is more conservative than most states above the Mason-Dixon then we are in total agreement. The point that seems to be escaping you however, is that Viginia went "blue" in recent history giving the left a false sense of an ideological shift. Clearly that has not happened; giving great concern to "Team Obama" in that it indicates that 2008 was an aberration, and not a genuinely sustainable shift. "

Leonard wrote on Nov 4, 2009 6:32 PM:

" rantraves wrote on Nov 4, 2009 6:25 PM:
" No Leo, what I'm saying is that your reiteration does not qualify as a thought -- so don't pretend that you're actually having one


So, I take it we are in agreement on Virginia? "

rantraves wrote on Nov 4, 2009 6:25 PM:

" No Leo, what I'm saying is that your reiteration does not qualify as a thought -- so don't pretend that you're actually having one. "

Leonard wrote on Nov 4, 2009 4:23 PM:

" rantraves wrote on Nov 4, 2009 11:44 AM:
" Leo: you reiterate my comment about the South being conservative; then you try to make it your own. It's Ok if you want to borrow from me, but you're going have ask nicely.


Chuckle... You are saying that you own the idea of Southern Conservatism? Perhaps you should copyright it.... "

Leonard wrote on Nov 4, 2009 4:21 PM:

" sparky595 wrote on Nov 4, 2009 3:53 PM:

If both were essentially liberals, why didn't they vote the democrat incumbent in for a 2nd term?


Ummm... because he was an incumbent? New Jersey has been fiscally devastated by the financial crisis and people are looking for someone to blame.

Look at Christie's positions on the issues. He is a raving anti gun nut who has pledged not to impose anti abortion legislation on the state. "

sparky595 wrote on Nov 4, 2009 3:53 PM:

" Leonard wrote:

'The way I see it, we won one, lost one and NJ was basically a draw, since both candidates were essentially liberals.'

If both were essentially liberals, why didn't they vote the democrat incumbent in for a 2nd term? Whatever Corzine did to that poor old state of NJ in the last 4 years, even obama's overwhelming presence there recently couldn't help him. "

rantraves wrote on Nov 4, 2009 11:44 AM:

" Leo: you reiterate my comment about the South being conservative; then you try to make it your own. It's Ok if you want to borrow from me, but you're going have ask nicely. "

Leonard wrote on Nov 4, 2009 8:19 AM:

" rantraves wrote on Nov 4, 2009 7:41 AM:
" Leo you act as though the south has always been in the GOP camp; That's absurd Leo and you know it. Yes the south has always been mostly conservative; so when the dems started falling off the edge into the lunatic fringe of the left, they begrudgedly turned to the republicans.


Chuckle... I would be careful how I used that term "lunatic fringe". As the GOP tears down its Big Tent will increasingly become a marginal extremist party making way for the inevitable emergence of a new moderate Right party led by men cut from the mold of Colin Powell and Mitt Romney, if not those men themselves. "

Leonard wrote on Nov 4, 2009 8:16 AM:

" rantraves wrote on Nov 4, 2009 7:41 AM:
" Leo you act as though the south has always been in the GOP camp;


With the exception of a couple of decades around the New Deal, the South has been in the conservative camp all the way back to the Constitutional Convention. Of course, the party acting as the conservative standard bearer has changed a couple of times but, with the GOP having assumed that mantle for the last 40 years, victories in the Old Confederacy should be a gimme for the Republicans. "

deblaw wrote on Nov 4, 2009 8:05 AM:

" Don't forget the victory in Maine!
3 for the conservatives, 1 for the lefts, that they already had....

Looking forward to 2010! "

rantraves wrote on Nov 4, 2009 7:41 AM:

" Leo you act as though the south has always been in the GOP camp; That's absurd Leo and you know it. Yes the south has always been mostly conservative; so when the dems started falling off the edge into the lunatic fringe of the left, they begrudgedly turned to the republicans. Leo, get some perspective before you go off half cocked looking for bear -- that's how you get your guts ripped out. "

Leonard wrote on Nov 4, 2009 7:33 AM:

" If anything, last night was a victory for moderates, with a centrist Democrat winning in NY and a centrist Republican winning in NJ.

Attempts to spin it as a victory for conservative extremism can only end in ridicule. "

Leonard wrote on Nov 4, 2009 7:20 AM:

" rantraves wrote on Nov 4, 2009 7:12 AM:

Now conservatism is the leading political ideology in the nation


As witnessed by its defeat in NY and its failure to even field a candidate in NJ?

As I said before, GOP victories below the Mason Dixon line simply don't constitute news. "

rantraves wrote on Nov 4, 2009 7:12 AM:

" You're missing the point Leo. Viginia went "blue" in recent years -- considered by the left as a death null for conservatism. Yes, it was going to full speed ahead for the left; then the moderates began to realize how crazy the left really is. Now conservatism is the leading political ideology in the nation; 4 points ahead of moderates with the "lunatic left" bring up the rear -- right where they belong. You libs can paint all the happy faces you want, but if you don't get serious about turning this thing around then it's only going to get uglier -- Believe it! "

Leonard wrote on Nov 4, 2009 6:46 AM:

" sparky595 wrote on Nov 4, 2009 6:31 AM:
" The obama administration will try to down play their losses all day today, but if they weren't of any importance, why did obama make so many trips to Virginia and New Jersey to stump for the democrat candidates?


Chuckle....

The fact that the GOP is trying to portray their ability to elect a Republican in the capitol of the Confederacy as "a major victory" just goes to show how truly desperate they really are.

The conservatives lost the congressional race. They lost NJ before they ever began because of the nature of the candidate. Winning state houses below the Mason Dixon line ought to be a given for the GOP. "

Leonard wrote on Nov 4, 2009 6:42 AM:

" sparky595 wrote on Nov 4, 2009 6:27 AM:

So you libs can celebrate the one victory in the 23rd district of New York, and ignore the fact that the democrats got wiped out last night as a whole.


The way I see it, we won one, lost one and NJ was basically a draw, since both candidates were essentially liberals.

Christie was lucky the conservative mafia didn't set up a "real conservative" candidate to run against him. "

rantraves wrote on Nov 4, 2009 6:32 AM:

" Last night can not be interpreted as anything other than a major defeat for Obama. He went to NJ and campaigned hard for Corzine; this morning he is crying in his corn flakes. The 23rd didn't go that well for Hoffman with 6% of the vote being wasted on the republican who dropped out; but the right is making the trend it's friend. Can Obama turn it around? Sure, but he's going have to stop printing and start drilling. Yes, drilling might alienate some of his base but the nation will be behind him -- I imagine he's holding that card for as long as possible. "

sparky595 wrote on Nov 4, 2009 6:31 AM:

" The obama administration will try to down play their losses all day today, but if they weren't of any importance, why did obama make so many trips to Virginia and New Jersey to stump for the democrat candidates? If they would have won, we would have surely heard obama all day talk about how "this is a reflection of my administrations efforts to clean up Bush's mess". Now that they lost, the reflection we see is Americans fed up with the direction that the democrats are taking our country. "

sparky595 wrote on Nov 4, 2009 6:27 AM:

" Obama went to New Jersey several times to drum up support for Corzine and it obviously didn't sway voters. He went to Virginia a few times to do the same and in this state that obama won by 7 points last year, was lost by 18 points to a republican this year. The only major race that the democrats won last night was Owens from New York. His opponent, the conservative, only campaigned for about a month and most of the time he was competing against a democrat and a liberal disguised as a republican.

So you libs can celebrate the one victory in the 23rd district of New York, and ignore the fact that the democrats got wiped out last night as a whole. "

Leonard wrote on Nov 3, 2009 9:59 PM:

" All of that is after an unprecedented media campaign by the far right that reflected their desperation to cling to the seat. "

Leonard wrote on Nov 3, 2009 9:57 PM:

" sparky595 wrote on Nov 2, 2009 7:25 AM:

I believe the correct race was the NY 23rd congressional race, where the conservative party is is poised to beat the democrat.


Actually, the conservative candidate has now conceded, giving the Democrats a congressional seat that has been held by the Right for more than a century and adding to the Democrat majority in Congress.

Conservative tide?

I think not. "

Leonard wrote on Nov 3, 2009 9:49 PM:

" Jerome R. Kinderman wrote on Nov 3, 2009 9:10 PM:
" Well, it looks like the tide may already have begun its turn. The people have spoken loud and clear in Virginia and New Jersey.


A pro choice, anti gun Republican wins in NJ while Palin's hand picked conservative concedes in NY?

Mixed results at best for the conservative movement, I would say. "

Jerome R. Kinderman wrote on Nov 3, 2009 9:10 PM:

" Well, it looks like the tide may already have begun its turn. The people have spoken loud and clear in Virginia and New Jersey. I don't think I would want to be anywhere near President Obama tonight. "

sparky595 wrote on Nov 3, 2009 8:12 PM:

" Leonard wrote:

'Well, if you think Obama is unqualified, you better ditch Palin because, as I showed below, she is far less qualified for high office than Obama. Care to take this opportunity to renounce her and thus clear yourself of the obvious charge of hypocrisy?'

Why do you insist that I ditch and renounce Palin when I never said I supported her. Last time I checked, she doesn't occupy a political seat nor is she running for one.

What hypocrisy are you talking about? "

rantraves wrote on Nov 3, 2009 8:07 PM:

" If Sarah Palin is as stupid as you would like to believe, then she will just waste away as a footnote in time. However, many of the strategists on the left dedicate a great deal of time in the effort to discredit her. Leo, that wouldn't be happening if she wasn't percieved as a serious threat. Stupid you say? Watch her -- you'll only wish you were that stupid. "

Leonard wrote on Nov 3, 2009 6:21 PM:

" Towns and cities with populations greater than Alaska include Nashville, El Paso, Austin, Charlotte, Indianapolis, Jacksonville (FL) and Galt. "

Leonard wrote on Nov 3, 2009 6:04 PM:

" galtguy wrote on Nov 3, 2009 5:45 PM:

How it is you can't respect her for her accomplishments


I would say that her accomplishments thus far might qualify her to run for the legislature of a mid sized state. They simply do not merit the attention that has been devoted to her. "

Leonard wrote on Nov 3, 2009 6:03 PM:

" galtguy wrote on Nov 3, 2009 5:45 PM:

Nevermind dude. You're hopelessly biased and can't see the forest thru the trees.


Right back at you, big guy. Bias is the only possible explanation of an endorsement of Palin. The woman has, literally, no merits. "

Leonard wrote on Nov 3, 2009 6:01 PM:

" sparky595 wrote on Nov 3, 2009 5:28 PM:

Obama is, though. And I don't think his resume is that stellar.


Well, if you think Obama is unqualified, you better ditch Palin because, as I showed below, she is far less qualified for high office than Obama. Care to take this opportunity to renounce her and thus clear yourself of the obvious charge of hypocrisy? "

galtguy wrote on Nov 3, 2009 5:45 PM:

" Leonard-

Nevermind dude. You're hopelessly biased and can't see the forest thru the trees.

How it is you can't respect her for her accomplishments I just don't understand. Anyone who gets elected to be the GOVERNOR of ANY State has got something going on. Jeez you are such a hater.

By the way, so we measure job responsibility and worth by number of people we represent? Since when? Gee I don't think we do that for the US Senate. And that's the second highest political office in the land. "

sparky595 wrote on Nov 3, 2009 5:28 PM:

" Very well, Leonard. In all honesty, I am not here to defend Palin. I couldn't care less about how people feel about her. She is not even in a political seat right now. Obama is, though. And I don't think his resume is that stellar. As a matter of fact, I believe he is nothing more than a puppet of the far left wing, with Axelrod, Emanuel, and Jarrett pulling the strings. "

Leonard wrote on Nov 3, 2009 4:57 PM:

" sparky595 wrote on Nov 3, 2009 10:26 AM:

And why do you continue to refer to Illinois as the 'most populous state in the nation'?


Mea Culpa. It was a typo in the original post and I copied that typo into the repost because I thought you hadn't read it. Illinois is the fifth most populous state. Texas is not number one, however, that honor goes to California by a wide margin. "

Leonard wrote on Nov 3, 2009 4:47 PM:

" sparky595 wrote on Nov 3, 2009 10:26 AM:
" Comparing apples to apples, is Biden any better than Palin, according to your opinion of qualifications required to be VP? He is a human gaffe machine. He ranks up there with Dan Quayle.


Lets remove the partisan aspect an compare Palin directly to Dan Quayle. Dan Quayle was far better qualified to be VP than Palin. Quayle served two terms in the House of Representatives and was elected US Senator from Indiana twice. While he certainly did have a record of amazing gaffes, he was much better spoken that Palin.

Palin exists outside the realm of previous experience in terms of incompetence. Comparison to other national figures is almost impossible. "

Leonard wrote on Nov 3, 2009 4:38 PM:

" rantraves wrote on Nov 3, 2009 11:25 AM:
" No Leo, I will not cop you on! I make a small point about how time is on her side; but you sit there and infere that she is hopelessly stupid.


I am not inferring anything. I am saying that Sarah Palin is hopelessly stupid. She is. Anyone who tells you otherwise is simply being partisan. "

sparky595 wrote on Nov 3, 2009 4:26 PM:

" TL, I'm not really sure what will happen with the GOP in the near future. They may see more of these 'Conservative Party' candidates popping up if the GOP nominee is seen to have too much of a liberal view point, such as the GOP candidate in New York's 23rd district (not New Jersey).

Let's face it. The Democrats don't want a conservative leaning candidate running as a democrat on any ticket either. "

TLPresler wrote on Nov 3, 2009 3:07 PM:

" To Sparky:

You're opinion, that in the New Jersey Race, the Republican was "too liberal" for your liking...and for the liking of the more conservative-minded of the Republican party... is perhaps correct. And I have no argument with you there at all.

I'm simply commentating on what is happening within the Republican Party. Does it fold-up the theory of a "Big Tent" political party, and only allow "true" conservatives in?

Hey, maybe that's the way to go... but then the GOP will, in my opinion, become a 'fringe' party.

I'm also curious as to the role of the Religious Right within the GOP. Will the Republican Party become, essentially, a "religious" party, based on Conservative, Christian ideals? And if so, the Tent shrinks even more...

Either way, it's interesting to watch. Let the 'witch hunt' begin. Who's next, Olympia Snow? "

sparky595 wrote on Nov 3, 2009 2:56 PM:

" 'Their article called for "cadres of aggressive organizers" to use "demonstrations to create a climate of militancy." Intimidated by black violence, politicians would appeal to the federal government for help. Carefully orchestrated media campaigns, carried out by friendly, leftwing journalists, would float the idea of a "a federal program of income redistribution," in the form of a guaranteed living income for all; working and non-working people alike. Local officials would clutch at this idea like drowning men to a lifeline. They would apply pressure on Washington to implement it. With every major city erupting into chaos, Washington would have to act.' "

sparky595 wrote on Nov 3, 2009 2:55 PM:

" These clips are from : http://cloward-piven.com/

Is this what Obama is trying to do with healthcare today? They want to flood the system with 30-47 million people.


'Cloward-Piven is a strategy for forcing political change through orchestrated crisis.
The strategy was first proposed in 1966 by Columbia University political scientists Richard Andrew Cloward and Frances Fox Piven as a plan to bankrupt the welfare system and produce radical change. Sometimes known as the "crisis strategy" or the the "flood-the-rolls, bankrupt-the-cities strategy," the Cloward-Piven approach called for swamping the welfare rolls with new applicants - more than the system could bear. It was hoped that the resulting economic collapse would lead to political turmoil and ultimately socialism.' "

Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Nov 3, 2009 2:23 PM:

" sparky argued: "As governor, she had to make decisions on a daily basis that affected hundreds of thousands of people."

Maybe that's why she quit. She couldn't handle the "pressure" of being governor of a glorified cow pasture. "

rantraves wrote on Nov 3, 2009 2:17 PM:

" If only you would the same, Lodian. "

Lodian wrote on Nov 3, 2009 12:39 PM:

" Yes, you're right, Palin does have time to work on her act. "

rantraves wrote on Nov 3, 2009 11:25 AM:

" No Leo, I will not cop you on! I make a small point about how time is on her side; but you sit there and infere that she is hopelessly stupid. If that's how you feel, then you would be hopelessly arrogant. "

sparky595 wrote on Nov 3, 2009 10:40 AM:

" Surely a man who lives in Texas cannot believe that Illinois is a more populous state that of his own. "

sparky595 wrote on Nov 3, 2009 10:26 AM:

" Comparing apples to apples, is Biden any better than Palin, according to your opinion of qualifications required to be VP? He is a human gaffe machine. He ranks up there with Dan Quayle.

And why do you continue to refer to Illinois as the 'most populous state in the nation'? "

Leonard wrote on Nov 3, 2009 10:25 AM:

" Leonard wrote on Nov 3, 2009 9:57 AM:
" Copme on rant.


Ummm... make that "Come on rant." "

Leonard wrote on Nov 3, 2009 9:58 AM:

" It is certainly true that there are many people in public office who are not all that bright but, in these regards, no one can deny that Palin is unusual.

She can't even speak, for Christ's sake! "

Leonard wrote on Nov 3, 2009 9:57 AM:

" Copme on rant. Surely, if you are being at all honest, you have to admit that Palin is a complete incoherent idiot. "

Leonard wrote on Nov 3, 2009 9:56 AM:

" sparky595 wrote on Nov 3, 2009 7:39 AM:
" With that said, according to your political qualifications standards, does being a part time senator for less than 2 years, and a community organizer qualify one to be the President of the United States of America?


Well, to again start at the beginning, you are grossly mischaracterizing Obama's experience. Obama's intellectual credentials so overshadow Palin's as to make comparison meaningless. Then, Obama was elected to the state Senate representing a district with 100,000 more residents than ALL OF ALASKA for more than 6 years. AFTER THAT, he was elected to the United States Senate by Illinois, the most populous state in the nation.

I am sorry, Sparky, the comparison you make only serves to prove that Sarah Palin is utterly unqualified for the posts she apparently seeks. "

rantraves wrote on Nov 3, 2009 8:26 AM:

" OK, Sarah Palin was not quite ready for the spotlight. She was easily caught off guard, and maybe even a little frightened. However, time is her friend; and she appears to be using it wisely. On the other hand, we have Joe "the bubbleheaded" Biden who has had more than 2 decades of national experience to hone his skills. What's his excuse? Whatever it is; it isn't changing for poor old Joe. And what about Nancy Pelosi? She thinks that the more pages she can stuff into a bill the smarter she gets. Please! these are the people who are next in line should anything happen to Obama; how can that possibly make anyone comfortable? -- Oh! I forgot, you're liberals. "

sparky595 wrote on Nov 3, 2009 7:43 AM:

" Leonard, to be clear, I will partially agree with you on her qualifications. However, let's keep it all in perspective here. I don't see how you can completely dismiss her resume, and in the next breath praise obama for his own diminutive resume. "

sparky595 wrote on Nov 3, 2009 7:39 AM:

" With that said, according to your political qualifications standards, does being a part time senator for less than 2 years, and a community organizer qualify one to be the President of the United States of America? "

Leonard wrote on Nov 3, 2009 7:32 AM:

" sparky595 wrote on Nov 3, 2009 7:21 AM:
" OK, so to clarify your stance. Being governor of a state where executive decisions by 'the governor' are made daily, does not qualify you for VP?


No, being Governor of Alaska, a state with fewer residents than Illinois' 13th Congressional District, for almost one term does not qualify someone with no other relevant credentials or experience to speak of to be Vice President.

Comprende? "

sparky595 wrote on Nov 3, 2009 7:22 AM:

" I almost forgot.... obama did make some decisions as a senator. He voted 'yes' for all of the bailouts and spending programs that were presented to him while in congress, but now wants to claim that he is cleaning up Bush's mess. He would be more credible and have more respect had he voted 'no' on the very things that he blames Bush for doing. "

sparky595 wrote on Nov 3, 2009 7:21 AM:

" OK, so to clarify your stance. Being governor of a state where executive decisions by 'the governor' are made daily, does not qualify you for VP? However, being a senator for 2 years and making 0 executive decisions ( his votes are just one of a hundred people in decisions that are made ), is more than sufficient to be our President?

I understand that you despise Palin, however when you degrade her qualifications for VP and accept obama's qualifications for President, your partisan thinking becomes very obvious. "

Leonard wrote on Nov 3, 2009 7:06 AM:

" sparky595 wrote on Nov 3, 2009 5:51 AM:

Leonard, if you want to make a legitimate argument, stop pretending that being governor of any state is comparable to being a mayor of a city.


Well, what is it comparable to then? It certainly isn't anything like being Governor of California, Texas or even Florida. When you look at the numbers, the comparison to a mid size city's mayor really does seem most apt. "

Leonard wrote on Nov 3, 2009 7:04 AM:

" sparky595 wrote on Nov 3, 2009 5:59 AM:

when all obama did was work as a community organizer and then sat in the senate for less than 2 years ( 1 and a half of them he was campaigning for president)


Start at the beginning. Obama's intellectual credentials so overshadow Palin's as to make comparison meaningless. Then, Obama was elected to the state Senate representing a district with 100,000 more residents than Alaska for more than 6 years. AFTER THAT, he was elected to the United States Senate by Illinois, the most populous state in the nation.

I am sorry, Sparky, the comparison you make only serves to prove that Sarah Palin is utterly unqualified for the posts she apparently seeks. "

Leonard wrote on Nov 3, 2009 6:58 AM:

" sparky595 wrote on Nov 3, 2009 5:51 AM:

As governor, she had to make decisions on a daily basis that affected hundreds of thousands of people.


So does the Mayor of Stockton. Does that qualify Ann Johnston to be Vice President and, possibly, President of the United States?

If Palin were a Democrat, the right wing hate machine would work round the clock to insure that she never set foot out of her house again. For Conservatives to attempt to pretend that she is anything more than a bad joke is the height of hypocrisy. "

sparky595 wrote on Nov 3, 2009 5:59 AM:

" With that said about Palin's qualifications, how about obama? It always gives me great laughter to watch people knock Palin for 'only' being a governor of Alaska, when all obama did was work as a community organizer and then sat in the senate for less than 2 years ( 1 and a half of them he was campaigning for president).

Any clear headed, reasonable, and rational person that proclaims that being a governor is not a good enough qualification to be VP, would also have to conclude that simply being a part time senator certainly does not qualify one to be the President of the Free World. "

sparky595 wrote on Nov 3, 2009 5:51 AM:

" OK. So Palin wasn't qualified to be VP, huh? She was a mayor of a city. Then, she was the governor of a state, who cares how big it was. As governor, she had to make decisions on a daily basis that affected hundreds of thousands of people. Leonard, if you want to make a legitimate argument, stop pretending that being governor of any state is comparable to being a mayor of a city. "

Leonard wrote on Nov 3, 2009 4:47 AM:

" Galtguy wrote on Nov 3, 2009 12:17 AM:

Do you beieve it takes a great intellect to lead?


I believe that it takes adequate intellect to lead and Sarah Palin simply doesn't have it. "

Leonard wrote on Nov 3, 2009 4:46 AM:

" Galtguy wrote on Nov 3, 2009 12:17 AM:

Yes Alaska. Not a lot of people. But nevertheless she had the Authority of a Governor of a State.


Which, in the case of Alaska, doesn't mean a whole lot. Its sort of like being the mayor of Richmond, Virginia or something. Not impressive and certainly not enough to justify her being chosen as VP.

A lot of the rhetoric of the campaign has fallen by the way side but one statement remains eternally true. Trying to pawn Sarah Palin off as ready for prime time truly is like putting lipstick on a pig. "

Leonard wrote on Nov 3, 2009 4:42 AM:

" Galtguy wrote on Nov 3, 2009 12:17 AM:

Thank you for proving me correct. You are too closed minded and one sided to hear yourself.


Matthew 7:1 "

Leonard wrote on Nov 3, 2009 4:40 AM:

" This blog is not displayed because you have added the blogger "edumacation" to
your Ignore list.
"

Leonard wrote on Nov 3, 2009 4:37 AM:

" rantraves wrote on Nov 2, 2009 10:49 PM:
" Leonard, did you forget the mantra of "hope and change"? I didn't frame this ugly picture -- I just point at it!


Again, I haven't heard any sort of mantra here. Its a strawhorse and you know it. "

galtguy wrote on Nov 3, 2009 3:53 AM:

" Ehh...? Huh? I never said I was qualified to be Governor. I'm not. I'm a very self aware person that knows his limitations. I do what I do. I am what I am.

Yes Politicians have talking points written for them. What's your point? Have you ever given a presentation? If the answer is yes then you know why it's prudent to be prepared. I've given some fairly long and drawn out presentations and you're damn right I had notes that I referred too. What idiot wouldn't? "

hicksvilianfromlodi wrote on Nov 3, 2009 1:38 AM:

" hey sarah can not debate and Galt is qualified to be govener. look at arnold hes the least canidate ever he had no political background what so ever. in presidential debates canidates get the questions before hand and the campaign managers tell them what to say "

hicksvilianfromlodi wrote on Nov 3, 2009 1:34 AM:

" You guys realize that everything that the candidates say is already written for them sarah can not debate palin "

Galtguy wrote on Nov 3, 2009 12:21 AM:

" Continuing down this intellect vs. leadership ability path;

Patton? Ghandi? FDR? Churchill? Lincoln? Kennedy? Reagan? All great leaders for sure, but how smart were they? "

Galtguy wrote on Nov 3, 2009 12:17 AM:

" Leonard-

Thank you for proving me correct. You are too closed minded and one sided to hear yourself.

Yes Alaska. Not a lot of people. But nevertheless she had the Authority of a Governor of a State. She was one of 50. She rose from being a small town Mayor to ascend to that position and then was a VP nominee. And yet you compare you non-witty blogging self to her? You're not even Mayor of Lodi.

Do you beieve it takes a great intellect to lead? Becuase some of the greatest leaders known to mankind have not been the smartest of their time. But smart enough. "

edumacation wrote on Nov 2, 2009 11:17 PM:

" Leonard- Weren't you one of us when we sang the Obama song? I think all those kids looke cute singing praise to our new Chief. Don't you? Come on now admit it. We all LOVE and adore our own African prince Barack Hussein Sotelo Obama. He is ever present in the minds of true Americans who need to have HOPE and CHANGE. There are many of us, especially with ancestry from the continent of Africa who pray to him every day that we no longer must suffer the heritage of being the offspring of common slaves, that we should all have the opportunity to buy a new house, car, and next month discounted appliances as part of the reparations for two hundred years of cruelty and racism. It is now OUR time, OBAMA time. There are millions of us who pray that Obama - the annointed one, keeps our communities, communes and coops in his mind and heart so we will share the opportunities our Masters stole from us. "

rantraves wrote on Nov 2, 2009 10:49 PM:

" Leonard, did you forget the mantra of "hope and change"? I didn't frame this ugly picture -- I just point at it! "

Leonard wrote on Nov 2, 2009 10:37 PM:

" rantraves wrote on Nov 2, 2009 9:57 PM:
" It's scary outside the box -- unless of course Obama is "out there" to save us. Thank-you Barack Obama, are you out there? "


Rant, you conservatives are the only ones on this forum who ever use this "Savior" terminology.

Are you familiar with the concept of a Strawhorse? "

Leonard wrote on Nov 2, 2009 10:33 PM:

" galtguy wrote on Nov 2, 2009 8:57 PM:

You folks are simply way too one sided and pig headed to admit when the other side has a point.


How ironic coming from a guy who simply won't admit that Sarah Palin's mental acuity is a huge issue. "

Leonard wrote on Nov 2, 2009 10:32 PM:

" galtguy wrote on Nov 2, 2009 8:57 PM:
" Leonard-

I'm no Palin apologist but please, you're actualy going to compare your feable internet blogging self to her? She was the Governor and a VP nominee!


Seriously. Being Governor of Alaska is equivalent to being mayor of a lower end mid sized city. As for being the GOP nominee for VP, that doesn't require any qualifications at all, other than the bad judgment of the Presidential nominee. "

rantraves wrote on Nov 2, 2009 10:08 PM:

" Aren't you guys on the left getting just a litle bit tired? Election day is around the courner, and all you can do is pretend that reality hasn't actually brought oxygen to your brains -- Just suck it up! you'll feel better. "

rantraves wrote on Nov 2, 2009 9:57 PM:

" It's scary outside the box -- unless of course Obama is "out there" to save us. Thank-you Barack Obama, are you out there? "

galtguy wrote on Nov 2, 2009 8:57 PM:

" Leonard-

I'm no Palin apologist but please, you're actualy going to compare your feable internet blogging self to her? She was the Governor and a VP nominee! This is why arguing with you and Sven is pointless and I won't do it anymore. You folks are simply way too one sided and pig headed to admit when the other side has a point. For all your clamoring about Conservitives being close minded you really should look in the mirror, there you will find a closed minded, dishonest person who can't admit when they are the slightest bit wrong.

Sarah Palin, political leanings aside, is a great American story. Just like Bubba was a great American story. Don't care for his politics but you've got to hand it to the guy, he rose up from nothing to become the most powerful man in the world.

That is being honest. You really should look out of the box you're in and try it sometime. "

edumacation wrote on Nov 2, 2009 6:20 PM:

" gator- The reason you are upset is that you moved to get away from Lodi, but you moved to Nampa which has gangs, barred windows, and crime. You should have moved to Meridian, where such diversity has not yet arrived.. "

Leonard wrote on Nov 2, 2009 5:47 PM:

" t jefferson wrote on Nov 2, 2009 3:18 PM:
" L - captain of your 6th grade soccer team won't qualify you to be governor of Alaska, but hey you are qualified to be a Czar in the current administration. I think the Czar of inter-mural athletics would fit you well. You could strive for complete Federal control of all team sports activities below professional level (they get their own Czar) Fill out your 400 page application and submit it quick, I think that job is still open.


Gee TJ, to hear you tell it, I would have thought that my white skin would have been a barrier to any sort of employment. "

rantraves wrote on Nov 2, 2009 4:30 PM:

" Gator, the Gold Man is just fine; but no one cares about what you think, about what he might have thought, about the recklessness of govt today. He was a conservative through and through, so if your point is that he wouldn't like what we have today in the Republican Party then fine; but you are not advancing the conversation. Get back to the subject at hand -- and Gator I have to look back sometimes just to see if I'm still dragging you along. "

Gator wrote on Nov 2, 2009 4:26 PM:

" If Bull S*** was music some people would be a brass band. Take the
Hint edumacation. >:( "

t jefferson wrote on Nov 2, 2009 3:18 PM:

" L - captain of your 6th grade soccer team won't qualify you to be governor of Alaska, but hey you are qualified to be a Czar in the current administration. I think the Czar of inter-mural athletics would fit you well. You could strive for complete Federal control of all team sports activities below professional level (they get their own Czar) Fill out your 400 page application and submit it quick, I think that job is still open. "

edumacation wrote on Nov 2, 2009 1:06 PM:

" Lodian: Say what? "

edumacation wrote on Nov 2, 2009 1:06 PM:

" Leonard- Good news! I have been invited to the White House Kwanzaa celebration. This will be a first for a REAL African-American to be in the white house during the ceremony of lighting the candles of the Mishumaa Saba. The sacred Kinara is the symbol of our roots. We must all respect the value of Muhindi and the value of the Kikombe cha Umoja for all people of the United States. Honorable Mr. Louis Farrakhan may be invited to lead the meditations with offering of the Zawadi which is a symbol we all recognize as the labor and love of parents and the commitments made by children. As-Salamu Alaykum.

Thanks to Acorn, the workers, and our First family we now have HOPE and CHANGE. Merry winter holidays. "

Lodian wrote on Nov 2, 2009 1:04 PM:

" What happened to all the comments? "

Gator wrote on Nov 2, 2009 11:50 AM:

" Stan, you my friend just don’t get the picture.. Goldwaters ideals still ring loud and true. What he believed in then should still be in place Now but it’s
Not. Honesty, civility, working for the people and that’s all the people not
the chosen few. What passes for the Republican party to day makes Nixon
and the Watergate plumbers look like saints. 8 years of Bush and we have
8 years of failed leadership. Social security reform (no) Medical reform(no)
Education a big failure, every child left behind. ( Ask any Teacher) and the
crown jewel, Iraq. The more one digs into the reasons the bigger the sweet
smell of Oil comes shining through. So now Bush ranks below Jimmy
Carter. Nothing left to say that says it all. So he fooled me Stan but there was no way in hell I would have voted for Gore or Kerry…Don’t look
Back, something might be gaining on you… "

rantraves wrote on Nov 2, 2009 10:13 AM:

" Gator: I know you like Goldwater, but Old Gold is long gone. Now back to the subject at hand, which is -- because you seem to have forgotten -- about whether or not a conservative tide is rising. The evidence is fairly clear, and we will know a great deal more in a couple of days. 2010 is still a yr away, but if I were to bet right now I would say that public sentiment is movig to the right , and fast. I don't know why you continue to look backward, when the action is always in front -- I guess some people just get stuck. "

wtf wrote on Nov 2, 2009 9:47 AM:

" Billy Rubin wrote on Oct 31, 2009 at 3:12 PM: "Paradoxical, isn't it, how one with such thin skin takes such affected umbrage at percieved offences, while in turn taking pride in being offensive."

You can say that again! A lot of our posts have "gone missing" LOL! "

edumacation wrote on Nov 2, 2009 8:30 AM:

" Leonard- Sarcasm? No! We liberals are winning! I haven't yet begun to discuss ALL the changes we have been able to make. Every statement in my post was true. Lets celebrate our new Chief. Watch CNN they also agree. Only the right wing FOX nes has a different opionion-but they only represent old white Republican LOSERS. President Obama is giving Billions to Wall street banks, and appointed top bank Directors to help us stop the Republican caused depression. Thats a good thing. We have to remember our friends who helped us get elected. But there is MORE. We now get our own Harvey Milk Day, so we can celebrate true diversity! Ah the wonderful liberal world we live in. Our President Obama is the FIRST to publically list visitors to the White House. When you visit the official White House website, look at the PUBLIC VISITORS LIST.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/disclosures/visitor-records


Now read the list. Who is visitor NUMBER two and three? Our chief planner and former community organizer WILLIAM AYERS! The White House will inclusion of ALL people by dedicating "Feed the Homeless" day. "

Leonard wrote on Nov 2, 2009 7:41 AM:

" sparky595 wrote on Nov 2, 2009 7:29 AM:
" People need to stop looking at politics as needing to belong to a political party. If you look at the issues and vote according to what you truly believe is right for your family


Do you really want to introduce the concept of "family" when you are talking about Sarah Palin? "

sparky595 wrote on Nov 2, 2009 7:29 AM:

" People need to stop looking at politics as needing to belong to a political party. If you look at the issues and vote according to what you truly believe is right for your family and this great nation, political affiliations become a side note. "

sparky595 wrote on Nov 2, 2009 7:25 AM:

" TLPresler wrote:

'In the recent New Jersey Gubernatorial race, Former GOP VP Candidate Sarah Palin snubbed the Republican Candidate, in favor of endorsing the "Conservative Party" Candidate. Palin's involvement in the Jersey race made national headlines, and many experts say she has ended up helping the Democratic candidate.'

I believe the correct race was the NY 23rd congressional race, where the conservative party is is poised to beat the democrat. The republican was snubbed for very good reasons. She was viewed as a very liberal republican and has even 'given' her support to the democrat, now that she quit.

Palin did the right thing by supporting a conservative and not a liberal disguised as a republican. "

Leonard wrote on Nov 2, 2009 4:51 AM:

" galtguy wrote on Nov 1, 2009 11:36 PM:

Politics aside, saying she can't carry on a conversation is idiotic.


I am not the first person to notice that Palin has yet to produce a sentence with a noun AND a verb. The woman is a joke. "

Leonard wrote on Nov 2, 2009 4:50 AM:

" galtguy wrote on Nov 1, 2009 11:36 PM:

Get real dude. Sarah would clean your clock in a debate. She was elected Governor and was a Vice Presidential nominee for the love of God. Are you actually saying you've got anything on YOUR resume that can match that?


Governor of Alaska? Well, I was Captain of my soccer team in 6th grade, I think that will do. "

galtguy wrote on Nov 2, 2009 2:27 AM:

" Lodian-

Trust me, I think with both heads. lol

You need to lighten up. Maybe your a little envious? Nah, that's not like a women to hate someone who is better looking than her, nope that's never happened.

As far as Richie Hanner goes he can jump in a lake. He didn't ascend to his position by having thin skin. I'm no threat to him and he knows it. GaltGuy is just a fictional character, a persona if you will.

LNS et al Richie should concern themselves with producing a better paper, not what people say in a blog. "

hicksvilianfromlodi wrote on Nov 2, 2009 12:26 AM:

" wades not in the military hes the night security guard at wal-mart "

hicksvilianfromlodi wrote on Nov 2, 2009 12:23 AM:

" Brian actually if you think of it conservatism is a mental disorder, Because people are brain washed by their religions mostly being christian/Catholics and muslim who are the worst mostly christian/Catholics though "

Lodian wrote on Nov 2, 2009 12:22 AM:

" galtguy: I'm actually wondering why you're still here on the blogs after your post blasting Rich Hanner on the "mistaken identity case" article early this morning. "

hicksvilianfromlodi wrote on Nov 2, 2009 12:15 AM:

" Your an idiot your using biased information, how has LNS not fired you yet, do you realize a conservative poll is gonna have people more conservative than not and the same goes for a liberal poll genius. "

Lodian wrote on Nov 2, 2009 12:15 AM:

" galtguy wrote "Well I'll have you know my junk does some good thinking!"

Deciding whether to pee inside or out? "

hicksvilianfromlodi wrote on Nov 2, 2009 12:10 AM:

" Thank you wade for stating the obvious why are you still writing do you realize is a never ending cycle what you just stated "

Lodian wrote on Nov 2, 2009 12:07 AM:

" galtguy wrote "Oh really Lodian? You think because I find Palin VERY attractive that I can "only think with my junk"?"

galtguy: Simply, "yes". And not because you find her attractive, but because "sex" was the first thing that came to your mind when Palin's name was mentioned. You didn't honor her by stating anything about her um... intelligence, as it were. You just went into the ol' pathetic male drooling mode.

No, it is not part of my thought process to evaluate ones looks when considering a candidate for president/vp of the United States. You say a lot about yourself by drooling over a candidate. "

Lodian wrote on Nov 1, 2009 11:49 PM:

" galtguy wrote "Politics aside, saying she [Palin] can't carry on a conversation is idiotic."

She can't carry on an "honest" conversation. lol! "

galtguy wrote on Nov 1, 2009 11:36 PM:

" Leonard-

Get real dude. Sarah would clean your clock in a debate. She was elected Governor and was a Vice Presidential nominee for the love of God. Are you actually saying you've got anything on YOUR resume that can match that? Politics aside, saying she can't carry on a conversation is idiotic.

PUH-lease. "

galtguy wrote on Nov 1, 2009 11:32 PM:

" Oh really Lodian? You think because I find Palin VERY attractive that I can "only think with my junk"? Well I'll have you know my junk does some good thinking!

Seriously, as a woman don't tell me you haven't voted for or at least had thoughts about an attractive man. Say for instance Bubba (Billy from Arkansas,the hubby of Mrs. Clinton)? He was/is a good looking man, are you telling me you've never noticed? Because if you are you're a liar. Women are just as bad if not worse than men. "

Lodian wrote on Nov 1, 2009 11:15 PM:

" Galtguy wrote "I hardly think most men would run the other way from Palin. I for one thank her for reminding me why I'm hetrosexual! Hubba Hubba lol jk"

Typical ignoramous who can only think with his junk. "

Leonard wrote on Nov 1, 2009 9:15 PM:

" Well, rantraves, I tried to be polite to him. I really did.

I think this just proves that some people are incapable of civil dialogue and can only speak a language of insults, harangues and tantrums. "

Leonard wrote on Nov 1, 2009 9:05 PM:

" As for Ivan, you seem to be big enough to fight your own battles. Surely, you don't need my help to battle a little old man. "

Leonard wrote on Nov 1, 2009 9:02 PM:

" t jefferson wrote on Nov 1, 2009 8:34 PM:
" L - you really need to save the calls for civility for your progressive friends. You appear to be one of the least civil, immoral and uneducated people who post on this site.


How have I been uncivil to you? This attack seems to be completely unprovoked. Are you renouncing our truce unilaterally? "

Gator wrote on Nov 1, 2009 8:19 PM:

" Stan, it’s you Amigo who has it wrong.. Barry Goldwater, you do know who
he was don’t you Stan?? He said it was a mistake to align themselves with the Christian Fundamentalist which it was. That they were antidemocratic
Self centered mean spirited Power hungry and amoral. I cut it short as I didn’t think you could take the rest of what he said.. There is a line from
a movie Stan that fit’s you like a glove… The truth, you can’t handle the
Truth!! (With apologies to Tom Cruise!!) "

rantraves wrote on Nov 1, 2009 7:19 PM:

" Lodian, you know that wasn't nice. Now say your sorry. "

rantraves wrote on Nov 1, 2009 7:15 PM:

" Hardly Gator, Once again you have it wrong -- as is evidenced by the republican from NY dropping out to allow the conservative to most likely win the congressional seat. "

Leonard wrote on Nov 1, 2009 6:10 PM:

" Perhaps some of the conservatives here who are in favor of polite discourse can encourage our friend here to behave like a civilized human? "

Leonard wrote on Nov 1, 2009 6:09 PM:

" edumacation wrote on Nov 1, 2009 5:42 PM:

I think we lberals are doing great!


Edumacation, if you would like to have a serious conversation, why don't you frop the sarcasm. It is insulting. "

edumacation wrote on Nov 1, 2009 5:42 PM:

" Wade We have so much HOPE and CHANGE we liberals control the Executive branch, and both houses of Congress. We have OUR own African prince (His words) running the White House. Oh--look at the Diversity. We now have a Surgeon General who was recently appointed who went to a college that does not require a high school diploma for admission (Xavier-La). Why get a High School diploma when all you need is the right shade of skin?

I think we lberals are doing great! HOPE and CHANGE IS HERE! Look at the stock market making us ALL millionaires. Look at the Wall street bankers, we are GIVING them TRILLIONS- interest free, to make up for lost wages during the Bush-Cheney cabal.

You can still buy a house with NO MONEY down and free cash at closing! We got paid big bucks for buying new cars we could not afford! We are helping homeowners by keeping housing prices high and inventory low. We do this by the Shadow inventory of unsold houses saved for our diverse citizens who like to pay 56% of income for a 1930's hut. "

Leonard wrote on Nov 1, 2009 5:06 PM:

" Galtguy wrote on Nov 1, 2009 4:54 PM:
" I hardly think most men would run the other way from Palin


I like women who are capable of conversation. "

Gator wrote on Nov 1, 2009 5:01 PM:

" rantraves wrote on Nov 1, 2009 9:03 AM:...And why do you think that is Gator? Well for a start try the albatross around the neck of the party, Rush
Limbaugh followed by Glenn Beck. Their association with the Christian fundamentalists, the fact that they are highly prejudiced, mean spirited and
Power hungry that enough for you Stan??? "

Galtguy wrote on Nov 1, 2009 4:54 PM:

" I hardly think most men would run the other way from Palin. I for one thank her for reminding me why I'm hetrosexual! Hubba Hubba lol jk "

Lodian wrote on Nov 1, 2009 3:24 PM:

" Presler wrote "Today's Republican Party, however, tends to be one that conducts "witch hunts" to kick people out of the GOP"

You are right. A perfect example was to interject Palin in the mix. Ugh! That was enough to make many Republicans run in the other direction..... screaming! lol! "

Lodian wrote on Nov 1, 2009 3:21 PM:

" Ivan Dixon wrote on Oct 31, 2009 10:59 AM:

" "Brian wrote on Oct 31, 2009 8:57 AM:
" There's no doubt the Conservative tide will rise "

Much like sewage in a septic tank.
-------------

Indeed, Ivan. "

Lodian wrote on Nov 1, 2009 3:20 PM:

" rantraves 9:16 AM: Jerk. "

TLPresler wrote on Nov 1, 2009 3:09 PM:

" Political Parties tend to do one of two things... They either look for converts to join their party, or they hunt down heretics to kick out of their party.

Ronald Reagan was a good example of someone who looked for converts, and invited everyone in to support the GOP and extended the "big tent." You even had the trend of "Reagan Democrats."

Today's Republican Party, however, tends to be one that conducts "witch hunts" to kick people out of the GOP.

In the recent New Jersey Gubernatorial race, Former GOP VP Candidate Sarah Palin snubbed the Republican Candidate, in favor of endorsing the "Conservative Party" Candidate. Palin's involvement in the Jersey race made national headlines, and many experts say she has ended up helping the Democratic candidate.

If certain perceived GOP Leaders from the right-wing of the party continue to "eat their own," so to speak, the Republican Party will never have the momentum or wide-range support it needs to win elections. You don't strengthen a party by hunting down party 'heretics,' you strengthen a party be opening up the 'big tent,' as Reagan did. "

rantraves wrote on Nov 1, 2009 9:16 AM:

" Sparky is correct -- as he often is -- when he suggets that the flushing of the "left" from the republican party can only help it in 2010. Why? because just about anyone can figure out that borrowing to pay debt must end at some point -- coupled with an inherent understanding that we have reached that point -- the vast majority is moving to the right in a very dramatic way. Even you kooks on this blog are moving to the right -- you just can't admit it yet. That's OK; it makes easier for me to slap y'all around. "

rantraves wrote on Nov 1, 2009 9:03 AM:

" ...And why do you think that is Gator? "

Gator wrote on Oct 31, 2009 7:20 PM:

" Back about Wednesday I read the results of a poll in Market Watch which
Reported only 20% of the people interviewed identified with the Republican
Party.. It would seem there is a lot of work to be done. The same old song and Dance wont cut anymore… "

Leonard wrote on Oct 31, 2009 4:33 PM:

" sparky595 wrote on Oct 31, 2009 3:30 PM:

Could be a sign of things to come in 2010 elections.


I hear the pitter patter of little jack boots. "

sparky595 wrote on Oct 31, 2009 3:30 PM:

" Wade wrote:

'According to a Gallup poll released Monday, more than 40 percent of Americans polled identify themselves as conservatives over any other political ideology.'

I see the republican in the 23rd district of NY has now conceded and given her support to the 'conservative party' candidate, Hoffman. The republican, Scozzafava, had the endorsement of the republican party, yet the conservative was blowing her away. Could be a sign of things to come in 2010 elections. "

Billy Rubin wrote on Oct 31, 2009 3:12 PM:

" Brian quoted Jerome R. Kinderman as saying on Oct 27, 2009 10:19 AM:"...And if I offended you, then my job is done here."


Paradoxical, isn't it, how one with such thin skin takes such affected umbrage at percieved offences, while in turn taking pride in being offensive. "

rantraves wrote on Oct 31, 2009 11:08 AM:

" "Billy's Blog", now wouldn't that be beautiful? I'm looking foward to coming on in... do it! "

voter wrote on Oct 31, 2009 11:04 AM:

" LOL! "

Ivan Dixon wrote on Oct 31, 2009 10:59 AM:

" "Brian wrote on Oct 31, 2009 8:57 AM:
" There's no doubt the Conservative tide will rise "

Much like sewage in a septic tank. "

Brian wrote on Oct 31, 2009 8:57 AM:

" There's no doubt the Conservative tide will rise now that we are seeing the largest
increses in abortion on demand since Roe V. Wade is in the Health Care Bill.
Gotta hand it to the liberals for pushing the envelope. "

Brian wrote on Oct 31, 2009 8:54 AM:

" Jerome R. Kinderman wrote on Oct 27, 2009 10:19 AM:

" Ivan Dixon, are you seriously suggesting that those millions of American men and women who have opted to not join the military, yet support those who do in their endeavors, are all "lazy and cowards?" Is that really the best that you can do? How about those who have never worn the uniform but condemn those who have; are these your heroes - true patriots? Your stance is absurd.

Wade Heath is hardly either of these ridiculously-assigned labels. He's working toward his own pursuit of happiness (furthering his education) while at the same time writing for his home-town newspaper. I would submit that he's living his dream and should be applauded for it. The lazy are those standing around waiting for their next hand-out while blaming others for their plight.

And by the way, I believe you and your ilk have cornered the market on what is defined as "offensive." And if I offended you, then my job is done here. "

-Excellent! "

Lodian wrote on Oct 31, 2009 1:39 AM:

" Billy: You should really start your own blog. And please make sure you let us know the address! You are a gifted writer. "

Ivan Dixon wrote on Oct 30, 2009 9:36 AM:

" Perhaps Brian was thinking of that line from Oscar Wilde:

"Quotation is a serviceable substitute for wit.”

Well, no, now that I think of it, probably not. "

voter wrote on Oct 29, 2009 9:29 PM:

" Me too, Billy. "

Lodian wrote on Oct 29, 2009 9:20 PM:

" Good to see you're still with us, Billy. "

Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Oct 29, 2009 9:04 PM:

" tjeff maturely retorted: "Bob, no that's you..."

LOL...who is the child? "

Billy Rubin wrote on Oct 29, 2009 6:02 PM:

" Lodian -
Considering the number of times Billy Rubin (who is in fact several people using at least six computers that this writer knows of) has been censored @ LNS and other right wing blogs, while other posters' obscenities, personal threats of violence and outright hate speech has been allowed to remain, I suppose it will only be a matter of time until Billy is "retired" by the conservatives here, too. "

Lodian wrote on Oct 29, 2009 5:42 PM:

" If Billy was banned where other seriously offensive posters remain I am completely confused on what is okay here these days. "

Lodian wrote on Oct 29, 2009 5:38 PM:

" It can sure get confusing on what is, and is not, allowed here on the blogs. "

Leonard wrote on Oct 29, 2009 4:57 PM:

" Aimee wrote on Oct 29, 2009 4:46 PM:
" I thought it might have been Uncle Sticky who was banned. His blatantly offensive homosexual reference is gone.


You are right, although my condemnation of his remark, which includes the original post is still here.

LNS, you certainly have my permission to delete that post and erase the stench to which it referred. "

Leonard wrote on Oct 29, 2009 4:54 PM:

" Aimee wrote on Oct 29, 2009 4:45 PM:

Leonard: I never answered your question posed on another article (which I think is now gone)...but yes, I do find some of the comments posted disturbing.


I figured that must be the case, but thanks for clarifying. "

Aimee wrote on Oct 29, 2009 4:46 PM:

" I thought it might have been Uncle Sticky who was banned. His blatantly offensive homosexual reference is gone. "

Aimee wrote on Oct 29, 2009 4:45 PM:

" BR got banned? Hmmmm....

Leonard: I never answered your question posed on another article (which I think is now gone)...but yes, I do find some of the comments posted disturbing. "

richardh wrote on Oct 29, 2009 3:37 PM:

" NOTE FROM EDITOR RICH HANNER:
After complaints lodged by readers, some comments on this column have been removed and one poster has been banned. Again, thanks to the majority who are able to focus on issues, not insults. "

Lodian wrote on Oct 29, 2009 1:16 PM:

" Where/when did t jefferson offer an olive branch? "

t jefferson wrote on Oct 29, 2009 1:04 PM:

" L - typical, an olive branch met with an insult - so there we are...game on.

Bob, no that's you and the rest of the children who have yet to grow up. "

Leonard wrote on Oct 29, 2009 9:37 AM:

" t jefferson wrote on Oct 29, 2009 7:16 AM:
" L - quit playing the victum. Did I say Leonard, no. Some of the other progressives on the other hand....

You are trying to be civil and I think I am being civil toward you...


All right.

Join me in a round of Kum By Ya? "

Brian wrote on Oct 29, 2009 8:37 AM:

" voter wrote on Oct 28, 2009 8:26 PM:

" tjeff, you have contributed nothing of substance to this discussion.

-I get a kick out of liberals when they don't notice their intellectual dishonesty. "

Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Oct 29, 2009 8:29 AM:

" tjeff -- You are not interested in discussion, you are interested in people agreeing with you. Good luck there. "

t jefferson wrote on Oct 29, 2009 7:16 AM:

" L - quit playing the victum. Did I say Leonard, no. Some of the other progressives on the other hand....

You are trying to be civil and I think I am being civil toward you...

I was making a general statement, much like you have on a occasion. I do not understand why there is such a double standard? A conservative asks a valid question and they are labels some derogatory term. A progressive asks an invalid question and then they get nominated for the Nobel Prize. Seems strange to me. "

voter wrote on Oct 28, 2009 8:43 PM:

" Wrong thread, tjeff. I'll repost. "

Leonard wrote on Oct 28, 2009 8:33 PM:

" I am beginning to think that you do not have any interest in a serious conversation. "

Leonard wrote on Oct 28, 2009 8:31 PM:

" t jefferson wrote on Oct 28, 2009 7:58 PM:
" Well civility didn't last long. Thanks for making my point children. Keep up with the attacks they show where you truly come from.


Where have I been uncivil to you? "

voter wrote on Oct 28, 2009 8:26 PM:

" tjeff, you have contributed nothing of substance to this discussion. What is the scientific basis for your view that humans can not effect climate change? Do you believe that rapid deforestation and airborne pollutants (both particulate matter and gases) have no effect on the atmosphere? "

t jefferson wrote on Oct 28, 2009 7:58 PM:

" Well civility didn't last long. Thanks for making my point children. Keep up with the attacks they show where you truly come from. "

Gator wrote on Oct 28, 2009 3:39 PM:

" Ahhhhh Silence is golden. No guts no glory boys!! Then I guess there is no
argument …. "

catscradle wrote on Oct 28, 2009 3:20 PM:

" An uproar of voices was coming from the farmhouse. They rushed back and looked through the window again. Yes, a violent quarrel was in progress. There were shoutings, bangings on the table, sharp suspicious glances, furious denials. The source of the trouble appeared to be that Napoleon and Mr. Pilkington had each played an ace of spades simultaneously.
Twelve voices were shouting in anger, and they were all alike. No question, now, what had happened to the faces of the pigs. The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which. "

Leonard wrote on Oct 28, 2009 2:09 PM:

" Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Oct 28, 2009 1:56 PM:

Many bloggers around here just can't seem to avoid these things when they try to discuss the issues. The racism, hate, and bigotry are so ingrained in their thought processes that they can't recognize their own bile


For bloggers here to claim these elements are not present in the GOP when they're post is wedged between two by the Dreaded Rear Admiral simply defies credibility.

Its as if they are urinating on your head and telling you that it is raining. "

Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Oct 28, 2009 1:56 PM:

" tjefferson proclaimed: "Any discussion of illegal immigration, islam, or health care will eventually lead to the progressive cry of racism, hatred or bigotry."

Not ANY discussion, just the ones filled with racism, hate, or bigotry.

Many bloggers around here just can't seem to avoid these things when they try to discuss the issues. The racism, hate, and bigotry are so ingrained in their thought processes that they can't recognize their own bile. Sad. "

Leonard wrote on Oct 28, 2009 1:33 PM:

" t jefferson wrote on Oct 28, 2009 11:25 AM:
" Ah jeff, you obviously haven't been reading very long. Any discussion of illegal immigration, islam, or health care will eventually lead to the progressive cry of racism, hatred or bigotry.


I think their is a honest argument to be made that the demagogues on the right exploit and even inflame racism and bigotry to achieve their ends.

Certainly, their are many examples to support this hypothesis. "

Billy Rubin wrote on Oct 28, 2009 12:36 PM:

" t jefferson wrote on Oct 28, 2009 8:07 AM: "...A lot of people grow up and start to think for themselves. Go see Bill Lockyear's comments about..."


Oh, the irony. "

Gator wrote on Oct 28, 2009 11:25 AM:

" Since my post of 10/27/09 @ 2:43 pm I look at the lack of response with a bit of humor. Barry Goldwater called it as he saw it and it’s evidenced here by some of the post. arrogant and antagonistic and a narrow outlook intolerant of those who challenge their thinking…
Gee I wonder who that could be. I have never voted a strict party line and never will. I
Vote for who I think will do the best job. I have made mistakes and no doubt will again
But the people who profess to be conservative today wouldn’t be fit to shine Goldwaters
Shoes.. Politicians today are under the misconception that we work for them not the other
Way around . >:( "

t jefferson wrote on Oct 28, 2009 11:25 AM:

" Ah jeff, you obviously haven't been reading very long. Any discussion of illegal immigration, islam, or health care will eventually lead to the progressive cry of racism, hatred or bigotry. Kind of a Pavlovian response against those that see the world in a more grown up way.

L - Can't help you if you ignore facts. "

Lodian wrote on Oct 28, 2009 10:12 AM:

" max stanfield wrote on Oct 27, 2009 10:18 PM:
"Great Job Wade: Illegitimus Non Carborundum !!!!!!!!!!!!! PS: In spite of Ivan Dixon, JBHiker, and Lodian, keep up the good work. These people are walking testaments to why abortion should be legal."
--------------------

Gee, Max, looks like you need to buy some class and character. "

jeff wrote on Oct 28, 2009 9:10 AM:

" t jeff, i perused the comments here, and unless some were removed, I can't find a single one claiming or based on racism or bigotry. Partisanship, yes. Regurgitating other's ideas, yes. But no bigotry or racism. That is until you spoke. And proceeded to debase yourself and others with your 'children' comments. Give it a rest, and at least try to be civil and germane. "

Brian wrote on Oct 28, 2009 9:07 AM:

" I doubt this is the first time the supporters of the Americans for Disabilities Act have taken issue at what a Kennedy said. "

Leonard wrote on Oct 28, 2009 8:31 AM:

" t jefferson wrote on Oct 28, 2009 8:05 AM:

Quite frankly progressive don't have the best track record in those areas to be claiming the high ground. I mean look at the last 40 years, in the name of saving the poor, progressives have completely destroyed entire ethnic groups....those are just the facts.


I don't know about facts. That certainly is an argument that has been made by the right, though. "

Leonard wrote on Oct 28, 2009 8:29 AM:

" t jefferson wrote on Oct 28, 2009 8:07 AM:
" L - just because progressives get their talking points from certain groups, others don't.


T- Undoubtedly some progressives get their points from others and undoubtedly some conservatives don't.

With regards to the specific example of Wade Heath, however, it is clear that 99% of the time the guy is overtly cribbing his column from the corporate media. Hell, he has even as much as admitted this on several occasions.

Seriously, if you can find one concept or observation that Wade has made that was not previously made in the corporate media, I will eat my hat. "

Brian wrote on Oct 28, 2009 8:27 AM:

" Those that are mentally and physically incapable of serving in the military
that have gone on to be quite successful in life would like to have a few words with JFK about his little comment if he was alive. I am neither of the above. To be clear. "

Brian wrote on Oct 28, 2009 8:22 AM:

" And if Ivan didn't take it out of context I do consider the source of the comment. I wonder, though, if Kennedy actually felt that those who didn't have what it took to be in the military wouldn't amount to anything? This is what he is saying. "

t jefferson wrote on Oct 28, 2009 8:07 AM:

" L - just because progressives get their talking points from certain groups, others don't. A lot of people grow up and start to think for themselves. Go see Bill Lockyear's comments about the budget if you need to figure out who the grown ups are and who the children still are. "

t jefferson wrote on Oct 28, 2009 8:05 AM:

" L - I never start the personal attack, but only respond.

I'll lay off going after anyone and stick to the issue, but I reserve the right to call people children when they act like it.
My sarcasm about racism, bigotty and hatred is directly related to the progressive here who seem to have no understand of what those words mean but then throw them around like hand grenades. So when one of your compatriots comes out and starts lobbing the three horsemen, expect the fur to fly.

Quite frankly progressive don't have the best track record in those areas to be claiming the high ground. I mean look at the last 40 years, in the name of saving the poor, progressives have completely destroyed entire ethnic groups....those are just the facts. "

Brian wrote on Oct 28, 2009 8:04 AM:

" Thanks for the good letter Wade. You'll have to excuse Leonard. He thinks that everyone that has a different point of view than him gets them all from talk radio and Fox.

One does not have listen to either to get the facts about Arpaio, LET ALONE THE OTHER THINGS YOU SPEAK ABOUT. "

Brian wrote on Oct 28, 2009 7:56 AM:

" Ivan Dixon wrote on Oct 27, 2009 12:16 PM:

" I think President Kennedy concisely refuted Mr Kinderman's "arguments" when he said "A young man who does not have what it takes to perform military service is not likely to have what it takes to make a living." If anyone does not believe this, they need do no more than read some of Mr. Heath's columns. "

-And we can rest assured that Ivan did not take this comment of Kennedy out of context. "

rantraves wrote on Oct 28, 2009 7:51 AM:

" I understand that Austin is a great city. I also understand that Texas is a tax friendly state. My guess is that if there is one state that doesn't need Washington, it would be Texas. You are pretty liberal Leonard; do you teach at the University? With regard to your civility comment; I must apologize for my ugly squabble with sven over at... whatever -- sometimes I just can't help myself. "

Leonard wrote on Oct 28, 2009 7:36 AM:

" dyan wrote on Oct 28, 2009 7:25 AM:
" Liberals aren't racists. that's why they believe AM's can't make it without the help of their outstretched arrogant hand.


What is your source for this statement?

Did a liberal tell you this?

If so, who? "

rantraves wrote on Oct 28, 2009 7:31 AM:

" Was that necessary Uncle Stinky? "

dyan wrote on Oct 28, 2009 7:25 AM:

" Liberals aren't racists. that's why they believe AM's can't make it without the help of their outstretched arrogant hand. I wonder how long my people will continue to buy this redundant paradox? "

Leonard wrote on Oct 28, 2009 6:37 AM:

" As for your charge of racism, I can only suggest that we consider the source. "

Leonard wrote on Oct 28, 2009 6:36 AM:

" t jefferson wrote on Oct 28, 2009 6:19 AM:

a young conservative who expresses his opinion.


Chuckle...

Please drop me a line if Wade Heath ever starts speaking "his mind". All I have ever seen from this fellow is the regurgitated refuse produced by a constant diet of Fox News and Talk Radio.

If Wade Heath ever produces an original thought, I will eat my hat. "

t jefferson wrote on Oct 28, 2009 6:19 AM:

" wouldn't "

t jefferson wrote on Oct 28, 2009 6:19 AM:

" Excellent article Wade. When these critics come out like this you know you must be near the truth. These progressive children would know the truth if it came up and bit them on the behind.

Oh and just so we keep it real, wow the racist bigoted hatred shown by the small minded progressive children from Lodi and Austin, TX. is palatable toward a young conservative who expresses his opinion. I don't expect better from children and you are living up to my standards. "

max stanfield wrote on Oct 27, 2009 10:18 PM:

" Great Job Wade:


Illegitimus Non Carborundum !!!!!!!!!!!!!


PS: In spite of Ivan Dixon, JBHiker, and Lodian, keep up the good work. These people are walking testaments to why abortion should be legal. "

dyan wrote on Oct 27, 2009 8:12 PM:

" Liberalism is great until people realize who pays the bills in the end. Those of you working stiffs are about to find out in your November pay check. "

napa valley chef wrote on Oct 27, 2009 7:31 PM:

" Ho hum. Conservatism will rise again. And a lot of rednecks think that the South will rise again. Guess what? A lot of these people are the same. "

wtf wrote on Oct 27, 2009 6:02 PM:

" Wade wrote: "Say goodbye to party loyalty and hello to a whole new idea of "by the people" and "for the people."
Expect more average Joes to take to the campaign trail and challenge incumbents who think they're untouchable."

Well said, young Wade! And here's a link to underscore what you have written. Well worth the watch.

Fall of the Republic

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VebOTc-7shU

Regarding military service and Wade Heath....one doesn't have to enter into the military to serve America. For example, there are plenty of patriots who want to stay right here and protect our liberty....many who ***are*** or ***have been**** military; yet not exclusively military.

http://oathkeepers.org/oath/

Finally, a word about your "strawman"....and don't think he doesn't exist....you have one just as a corporation has one. ;) The link below is part 1 of 9.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXkOr8Mle0Y "

rantraves wrote on Oct 27, 2009 4:37 PM:

" You can not be real, Vance. If you are then do it again -- whatever that was? "

sparky595 wrote on Oct 27, 2009 4:36 PM:

" Wade wrote:

'I'm going out on a limb and making a bold prediction that the elections of 2010 and 2012 will change the landscape of politics as we know it.'

I'm already planning my party to celebrate.

'2010 Election - The year Americans begin to take America back.' "

Lodian wrote on Oct 27, 2009 4:05 PM:

" napa valley chef: You're right. And Palin a brilliant pick? LOL! Never. "

Lodian wrote on Oct 27, 2009 4:04 PM:

" Vance Buckler: Turn of the radio, or at least change the channel, once in awhile. You are getting way to sucked in by the right wingnuts. "

Vance Buckler wrote on Oct 27, 2009 3:46 PM:

" The Army is just a tool for these big government lib fascist Obaminators to hold down the champions of Liberty Before you know it all those Kenians and Nigerians and Liberians in there will have their guns pointed right down the throats of us real americans. "

Gator wrote on Oct 27, 2009 2:43 PM:

" JRK here is a direct quote from John Dean on how Barry Goldwater
Viewed the so-called conservatives
I started my inquiry in the mid-1990s, after a series of conversations with Goldwater, whom I had known for more than 40 years. Goldwater was also mystified (when not miffed) by the direction of today's professed conservatives - their growing incivility, pugnacious attitudes, and arrogant and antagonistic style, along with a narrow outlook intolerant of those who challenge their thinking. He worried that the Republican Party had sold its soul to Christian fundamentalists, whose divisive social values would polarize the nation. From those conversations, Goldwater and I planned to study why these people behave as they do, and to author a book laying out what we found. Sadly, the senator's declining health soon precluded his continuing on the project, so I put it on the shelf. "

Gator wrote on Oct 27, 2009 2:39 PM:

" JRK, as I stated America is a centrist country and polls can, have and will be skewered to fit the needs of the pollster. They prove little or nothing. Limbaugh claims 20 million listeners, nothing inflated there. Even if it was
20 million a week that means 280 million could care less and don’t listen.
Becks facts are messed up and he admits he is an entertainer. As for Savage
The word despicable human being comes to mind.. "

napa valley chef wrote on Oct 27, 2009 1:47 PM:

" Blah blah blah. Wade Heath also thought that Sarah Palin was an "brilliant" pick as running mate to McCain. He gets his info from Glenn Beck and, most likely, Mom and Dad. "

catscradle wrote on Oct 27, 2009 1:14 PM:

" Politics are like football: The backup quarterback is always the most popular guy in town. So brought the Republican revolution of '94, the appointment of Bush in '00 and the Democratic upswing in 06 and 08. Unfortunately, all these people ever establish once in office is a taste for fine cigars and brandy and a desire to a.) stay in office or b.) get a cushy lobbyist position once that's done.

The "change" everyone keeps talking about will never, ever occur. "

Ivan Dixon wrote on Oct 27, 2009 12:16 PM:

" I think President Kennedy concisely refuted Mr Kinderman's "arguments" when he said "A young man who does not have what it takes to perform military service is not likely to have what it takes to make a living." If anyone does not believe this, they need do no more than read some of Mr. Heath's columns. "

Jerome R. Kinderman wrote on Oct 27, 2009 11:14 AM:

" It's hardly "over," Gator. Why would the White House engage in such an assault on FoxNews if the tide was turning against conservatism along with Limbaugh, Beck and Savage? Why give them such exposure? Answer: fear.

I find it really funny how when the polls reveal what others don't like, it's all about how the questions are "loaded," yet when it favors their position then they're spot on. (This goes for the entire ideological spectrum.)

The fact is that Americans are growing increasingly weary and yes, fearful of the "change" we've been experiencing since January's ushering in of the Obama administration. Most with a modicum of intellectual honesty understand that America has always been right of center politically. This hasn't changed. And with such a wide swing to the left that has us on the cusp of the government in control of virtually every aspect of our lives, is it any wonder that FoxNews, Limbaugh, Beck and Savage are actually gaining in popularity?

2010 will hopefully bring with it a wake-up call from the voters to Washington. Before then the president might want to consider start governing instead of campaigning. "

Gator wrote on Oct 27, 2009 11:01 AM:

" If a conservative tied is going to rise they had best get it together now. Looking at the national scene who looks good. Very few, they play the
same old sad song. Limbaugh, Beck and Savage have had their day, it’s
over…This country is Centrist as they come and will not tolerate radicals
on the right or the left.. As for polls it’s how you load the questions that
will predetermine the outcome. Pew research it a far more accurate and less
biased. I would prefer someone like Teddy Roosevelt or Harry Truman to
Anything either party has to offer. The Governor of Louisiana Bobby
Jindal seems to be the only person of substance the Republicans have to
Offer.. "

Jerome R. Kinderman wrote on Oct 27, 2009 10:50 AM:

" Finally Ivan Dixon, I would also suggest that those who you claim "...would come right back to life and kick his cowardly bass" are few and very far between. The clear majority of these professional men and women who serve in uniform understand that they do so to protect this nation and the right of all Americans to do precisely what Wade Heath does – live his life with a diminished fear that he will be harmed on their watch.

I would further add that they would also gladly defend those who oppose them as they continue to ensure their freedom and protection. These qualities are what make our military men and women so utterly incredible; to hint that any one of them who gave the ultimate sacrifice would desire to harm those they died to protect only minimizes what they did. And that notion is disgraceful. "

Jerome R. Kinderman wrote on Oct 27, 2009 10:19 AM:

" Ivan Dixon, are you seriously suggesting that those millions of American men and women who have opted to not join the military, yet support those who do in their endeavors, are all "lazy and cowards?" Is that really the best that you can do? How about those who have never worn the uniform but condemn those who have; are these your heroes - true patriots? Your stance is absurd.

Wade Heath is hardly either of these ridiculously-assigned labels. He's working toward his own pursuit of happiness (furthering his education) while at the same time writing for his home-town newspaper. I would submit that he's living his dream and should be applauded for it. The lazy are those standing around waiting for their next hand-out while blaming others for their plight.

And by the way, I believe you and your ilk have cornered the market on what is defined as "offensive." And if I offended you, then my job is done here. "

Ivan Dixon wrote on Oct 27, 2009 10:16 AM:

" My apologies, Mr. Raves, but this sort of thing just makes my blood boil. "

rantraves wrote on Oct 27, 2009 10:12 AM:

" Now, now Ivan... that is the kind of response I would expect from someone of significantly less stature. "

rantraves wrote on Oct 27, 2009 10:09 AM:

" When the GOP turned left it lost it's soul. If they start to work their way back into a more conservative vein then they will succeed -- We'll see, won't we? "

rantraves wrote on Oct 27, 2009 10:01 AM:

" No Mr. Dixon, I am suggesting that there could be other things besides his business or self-importance that might be keeping him from military service. "

Jerome R. Kinderman wrote on Oct 27, 2009 8:58 AM:

" As a former member of the Armed Forces, I take great offense with Ivan Dixon's inane remark attacking Wade Heath's supposed lack of military service while he was honoring Spc. Coumas' sacrifice. I have no idea whether or not Mr. Heath is in any way affiliated with the military, and frankly it's no one's business but his. We all get to choose our own paths - and relatively few take up arms in its defense.

Would I have felt differently if this columnist had been critical of the service of the fallen member? Absolutely not, at least as it pertains to this particular issue. There are many who exercise their right to speak their minds with whom I vehemently disagree and would have respectfully set forth my opinion.

Heath has never indicated that he is either "...too important or too busy to fight." He has, however been respectful of those who have chosen to go to war, as he has eloquently done here.

Dixon, out of nothing but sheer hatred, has attempted to portray Heath as an elitist but failed miserably at the attempt. He only makes himself appear pathetic, once again. "

Brian wrote on Oct 27, 2009 8:46 AM:

" Ivan Dixon wrote on Oct 27, 2009 8:21 AM:

" Mr Raves, are you suggesting that Mr Heath is secretly serving in the military?

I find this unlikely. "

-When was it a prerequisite that one must be in the military to advocate war? "

Brian wrote on Oct 27, 2009 8:43 AM:

" Ivan wrote:

When I look at young men like Mr. Heath who continuously advocate war but think themselves too important or too busy to fight, I despair at the future of our nation. "

-Evidently the Democrats think the "war of necessity" in Afghanistan is not necessary anymore and they are blaming Conservatives for advocating the war in the first place. And HEAVEN forbid Ivan
make the charge that Democrats are too busy or too important to fight. lIBERALISM IS A MENTAL DISORDER "

DeputyChief wrote on Oct 27, 2009 8:26 AM:

" All points in this article are well taken of which I whole heartedly agree with. Excellent! "

Ivan Dixon wrote on Oct 27, 2009 8:21 AM:

" Mr Raves, are you suggesting that Mr Heath is secretly serving in the military?

I find this unlikely. "

jramagic wrote on Oct 27, 2009 8:14 AM:

" The GOP tide may well rise...but it will be well-contained by the towering and massive levee of awakening and embitterment of the Average American Citizen that soooo many GOP-led years of greedy wealth transfer to the Very Rich and Powerful Elite has created...... "

rantraves wrote on Oct 27, 2009 7:46 AM:

" You presume to much Ivan. Maybe you could be fair enough to ask questions 1st, and make accusations later. "

sparky595 wrote on Oct 27, 2009 7:36 AM:

" Heath wrote:

'The Department of Homeland Security recently ordered the Sheriff to stop making arrests based on a person's immigration status.'

Which country is the DHS actually protecting? "

sparky595 wrote on Oct 27, 2009 7:30 AM:

" Heath wrote:

'How mature is this administration to pick on a news network because they don't like what their editorial shows say? '

Bush was constantly hammered by the press. MSNBC is a stage for liberal broadcasting. They hated and to this day still despise Bush. Did Bush go crying and sending out his henchmen to fight with them? This administration is embarrassing to our democracy and freedom of speech.

Obama is so used to getting his way in Chicago. He's not used to people disagreeing with him. He can strong arm the drones in Chicago, but it's not going to work on America. Grow up and stop pouting like a child, obama. "

jbhiker wrote on Oct 27, 2009 7:30 AM:

" Good point, Ivan. (Mr.?) Heath is pretty transparent to those who look. "

jbhiker wrote on Oct 27, 2009 7:27 AM:

" I agree that Americans ARE conservative. But fortunately, most understand the need for liberal thinking in order for Democracy to work, including most Democrats. If there is a tide of repubicans in 2010, it will be the Red tide for America. "

Ivan Dixon wrote on Oct 27, 2009 4:46 AM:

" "Mr Heath wrote:

News broke last Wednesday that U.S. Army Spc. Kyle A. Coumas, of Lockeford, was killed in the line of duty in Afghanistan. I think I speak for all Americans when I say how deeply indebted we are to Mr. Coumas's contribution to our country and to our safety."

Obviously, not indebted enough to join him. When I look at young men like Mr. Heath who continuously advocate war but think themselves too important or too busy to fight, I despair at the future of our nation. "

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